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Title: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: D15TIN on September 11, 2019, 01:51:53 AM
Been nominated for the bundesliga young player of the month, 1 goal, 3 starts - 1W 1D 1L

Been a great move for him that so far, must be great playing in that stadium

Does he have what it takes to take the RB slot off coleman?
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: boothill on September 11, 2019, 01:55:44 AM
Was a bit iffy against bayern,  but cant blame him for that like,  its bayern.  Hes done well,  been watching bundesliga
Been nominated for the bundesliga young player of the month, 1 goal, 3 starts - 1W 1D 1L

Been a great move for him that so far, must be great playing in that stadium

Does he have what it takes to take the RB slot off coleman?

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: mikey_blue on September 11, 2019, 02:07:59 PM
Iíd give him a run a DM.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: boothill on September 11, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
I'd give him a run a DM.
DM

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 11, 2019, 03:08:27 PM
I’d give him a run a DM.
Who?
Kenny?
No fucking chance
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Jamokachi on September 11, 2019, 04:23:23 PM
Iíd give him a run a DM.

Why?
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Alanvideo on September 11, 2019, 05:07:20 PM
A lot of people on here don't rate JJK . I'm hoping he'll do well for Schalke ,come back a better player and be considered good enough to be Coleman's successor next season.  With luck we'll be in Europe and they'll both get game time until Seamus bows out.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Shogun on September 11, 2019, 06:08:58 PM
Iíd give him a run a DM.

I understood that reference
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Trowel on September 13, 2019, 11:51:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Bundesliga_EN/status/1172548292212928517
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Sixx1402 on September 14, 2019, 12:33:23 AM
Jesus what is it with English young players in Germany?

Must be something in the water over there
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Toddacelli on September 14, 2019, 08:36:37 AM
Jesus what is it with English young players in Germany?

Must be something in the water over there

Someone book a flight for Davies!
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: stirlingblue on September 14, 2019, 11:47:28 AM
Jesus what is it with English young players in Germany?

Must be something in the water over there

I thought the Bundesliga was a decent league but the way these players are getting on suggests itís a good step below the PL
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Juanito on September 14, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
Jesus what is it with English young players in Germany?

Must be something in the water over there

I think young players feed off the atmosphere a lot more. When itís good like it is in Germany, it must be inspiring and confidence building. If itís tense and anxious like it can be here, that must have a negative effect on players that are not as easily able to shift it/re-focus/not be tense and anxious.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: youngysenior on September 14, 2019, 03:18:09 PM
Or it could be that their supporters don't get on his back as much as here?
I thought the Bundesliga was a decent league but the way these players are getting on suggests it's a good step below the PL

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: boothill on September 16, 2019, 01:47:57 AM
Clean sheet and another assist today,  not bad going for the youngster

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: boothill on September 16, 2019, 01:49:39 AM
Chdlk that clean sheet off
Clean sheet and another assist today,  not bad going for the youngster

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Shogun on September 16, 2019, 01:58:56 AM
Can see it now.

He bosses it in Germany, we don't sign a RB, he doesn't perform as well for us and we revert back to a 74 year old Coleman next season.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: D15TIN on September 16, 2019, 11:03:48 PM
Someone book a flight for Davies!
Davies should be in the team whilst gomes & gbamin are out, just cant take to schneiderlin at all.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: boothill on September 21, 2019, 03:25:58 AM
Another assist for johnjoe tonight

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 21, 2019, 06:13:47 PM
Can see it now.

He bosses it in Germany, we don't sign a RB, he doesn't perform as well for us and we revert back to a 74 year old Coleman next season.

then sell him to Schalke in 2 years for 25m.

:(
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: boothill on September 29, 2019, 01:49:00 AM
Another great result for master kenny.  Turning 2nd in the table over away from home. Go ed the lad

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Trowel on June 16, 2020, 03:59:29 PM
Nominated for the Bundesliga Rookie of the Season award (look at the calibre of player he's up against though!)

https://www.rookie-award.com/en

https://twitter.com/Bundesliga_EN/status/1272529306409934848
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 16, 2020, 04:59:16 PM
Good for him.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: TheRam on June 16, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
Good lad.

Heís smashed it over there.

Be interesting to see what happens with his future.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Waltzer on June 16, 2020, 05:28:47 PM
Good lad.

He's smashed it over there.

Be interesting to see what happens with his future.
Yep, personally don't think he's good enough yet but I also don't think Sidebe is 12 million better than him. Given the finances probably aren't that great id be tempted to go with Kenny and Coleman next season and use the Sidebe money elsewhere?

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 16, 2020, 07:19:46 PM
This ďKenny has been great for SchalkeĒ is becoming like when neutral fans tell us: ďMartinez had you lots playing great stuffĒ. Itís some sort of self-perpetuating myth.

Kenny started well but has been largely terrible since then. Heís literally had 10 decent games.

Iíve got no agenda against him, heís just not very good.


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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: brap2 on June 16, 2020, 08:11:03 PM
I think they're on their longest losing streak ever.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: TheRam on June 16, 2020, 08:15:28 PM
This ďKenny has been great for SchalkeĒ is becoming like when neutral fans tell us: ďMartinez had you lots playing great stuffĒ. Itís some sort of self-perpetuating myth.

Kenny started well but has been largely terrible since then. Heís literally had 10 decent games.

Iíve got no agenda against him, heís just not very good.


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He really hasnít been terrible though.

Heís been good, and the loan spell has been a success for him.

If he was as bad as you make out he wouldnít be playing and schalke wouldnít want to buy him.

Iíve watched him, heís been very sound.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: ally2 on June 16, 2020, 09:39:02 PM
Coleman and Kenny. That's a weak pair (relatively speaking, obviously they're good but we need better). I wouldn't mind Kenny if we had a better first choice RB. Sidibe didn't really raise the bar either and we certainly don't need three.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Bluedylan on June 16, 2020, 09:47:15 PM
I'm in the 'I don't think any of our right backs are good enough' camp.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
Max Aarons is the one for me to sort out our right back issue.

Unlikely though.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 17, 2020, 04:29:03 AM
I think they're on their longest losing streak ever.
Isnt this because they are refusing to play their starting GK as hes off to Bayern this summer.
The Goalie they have is a proper flapper from what ive seen.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: irishtoffee on June 17, 2020, 05:04:17 AM
Isnt this because they are refusing to play their starting GK as hes off to Bayern this summer.
The Goalie they have is a proper flapper from what ive seen.
No theyíre playing their main man
Thats the guy thatís going to Bayern in the summer. Nubel
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Mouse on June 17, 2020, 05:05:06 AM
I think they're on their longest losing streak ever.
Schalke? Didn't they draw their last two? Maybe longest without a win.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: brap2 on June 17, 2020, 05:10:26 AM
Schalke? Didn't they draw their last two? Maybe longest without a win.

Yeah it'll be that, my bad sorry
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Toddacelli on June 17, 2020, 05:52:06 PM
Nice to see what a successful loan deal looks like.

Regardless of what we think of his ability, this has been the perfect loan club for him. It's stretched him to perform, but he's not been out of his depth.
He's had first team football but it's not all gone his way.

Hope we get our loan deals as right as we did this one for more of our young lads.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Trowel on June 17, 2020, 08:18:58 PM
I read somewhere that Chelsea had 28 players out on loan last season, and the fees they received were the equivalent of what Werner will cost them. I'm sceptical about that, but investing in players specifically to loan seems to be a sustainable revenue stream that we should be aiming to do more with, especially when there's a good chance a successful loan leads to a decent transfer fee or, even better, a better player returning to us at the end.

Hopefully we're mving on from the days where all the loan business we did was send youth team players to Wigan, and 1st team squad to Fenerbahce for peanuts.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 17, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
I read somewhere that Chelsea had 28 players out on loan last season, and the fees they received were the equivalent of what Werner will cost them. I'm sceptical about that, but investing in players specifically to loan seems to be a sustainable revenue stream that we should be aiming to do more with, especially when there's a good chance a successful loan leads to a decent transfer fee or, even better, a better player returning to us at the end.

Hopefully we're mving on from the days where all the loan business we did was send youth team players to Wigan, and 1st team squad to Fenerbahce for peanuts.

That requires us signing good players to loan out though. Recently weíve been loaning players our that we could barely give away given the contracts they are on
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Toddacelli on June 17, 2020, 08:52:57 PM
That requires us signing good players to loan out though. Recently weíve been loaning players our that we could barely give away given the contracts they are on

Yup. Another area for us to step up in.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: brap2 on June 17, 2020, 10:43:12 PM
I read somewhere that Chelsea had 28 players out on loan last season, and the fees they received were the equivalent of what Werner will cost them. I'm sceptical about that, but investing in players specifically to loan seems to be a sustainable revenue stream that we should be aiming to do more with, especially when there's a good chance a successful loan leads to a decent transfer fee or, even better, a better player returning to us at the end.

Hopefully we're mving on from the days where all the loan business we did was send youth team players to Wigan, and 1st team squad to Fenerbahce for peanuts.

Yes Chelsea have been using (or abusing) this side of the loan market for a long time and make absolute bank year on year.

One of the best business models in the prem and one of the best academies in the world at producing revenue positive talents.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 17, 2020, 11:21:50 PM
Nominated for the Bundesliga Rookie of the Season award (look at the calibre of player he's up against though!)

https://www.rookie-award.com/en

https://twitter.com/Bundesliga_EN/status/1272529306409934848

He has about as much of a chance of beating Haaland (or Davies) as the Derby has of being played at Goodison.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 17, 2020, 11:23:23 PM
Schalke? Didn't they draw their last two? Maybe longest without a win.

I don't think they've won in their past 12. They've only scored 9-10 goals since Jan. 1. Kenny did get his second the other day though (a worldy from at least 25' out).
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: brap2 on June 18, 2020, 04:05:22 AM
We can say he's done well and that he's not good enough for Everton without it being a contradiction.

I'm not into sidibie either though tbh.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 19, 2020, 02:31:38 AM
We can say he's done well and that he's not good enough for Everton without it being a contradiction.

I'm not into sidibie either though tbh.
I agree with this, that being said. If funds are tight due to Covid this summer i wouldnt be against not getting Sidibe back even on loan and going the season with Kenny at RB with Coleman as backup.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 19, 2020, 07:18:19 PM
I bet a solid £30m right back will now cost <£15-20m. Gonna be a buyer's market, as has been noted somewhere.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: markB on June 20, 2020, 03:16:21 AM
what was the point of loaning him out ?

you have to ask that

then ask how did he do on loan and is he better for it ?

and anyone can see its yes to both , going out on loan and doing well has to be rewarded or what is the point of them

he will be in our team next season 14m saved

will he be our right back for the next 8 years ? (no)
will he be 1 one are right backs for the next 8 years ? (could well be)

will we spend 20-30 mill on a right back this year ? NOT without selling Coleman

if we look back 10 years ago Coleman was out on loan at Blackpool and the same was being said about him not going to make it at Everton even the year he came back he played right midfield , take that in Blackpool at what 22 years old 9 games  Schalke at 22/23 30 games so far




Title: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Waltzer on July 02, 2020, 09:29:30 PM
Kenny coming back, or looking to move him on for a fee?

Everton have turned down Schalkeís efforts to sign Jonjoe Kenny on loan for another season.
 
Thatís according to club director Jochen Schneider, who confirmed the right-back will be returning to Goodison Park.

Kenny has spent the season on loan with the Bundesliga side after it was made clear last summer that playing time would be limited with Everton.

Like other English talents, he has flourished in the country, managing two goals and three assists in 31 Bundesliga games and earning rave reviews from fans and pundits alike.

Indeed, he was widely considered as one of the few positives out of a disappointing season for Schalke, who finished 12th in the table.
Similarly, Kenny has expressed his interest in staying at the club in some capacity having settled quickly in Germany and enjoyed the regular playing time he was looking for.

However, it seems neither will get their wish, with Schneider revealing that Everton have turned down their advances.

ďJonjoe fitted Schalke like a glove,Ē Kicker report him saying.

ďWe have deposited our interest in him coming back to us for another year on a loan basis. 

ďEverton saw it differently; we have to respect that.Ē

The question now is whether Kenny stays at Everton this summer or finds himself moved on as part of the bigger rebuild.

The Blues certainly need reinforcements at right-back, and he has impressed in the Bundesliga, but whether thatís been enough to convince Carlo Ancelotti or Marcel Brands to give him his chance is unknown.

Whatever funds Everton have available to them is likely to be the determining factor. If there is money, it is easy see to them spending to improve a problem area.

However, if money is tight, which is likely, Kenny may just find himself as the beneficiary while Everton focus on improving elsewhere.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 02, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
Kenny coming back, or looking to move him on for a fee?

Everton have turned down Schalkeís efforts to sign Jonjoe Kenny on loan for another season.
 
Thatís according to club director Jochen Schneider, who confirmed the right-back will be returning to Goodison Park.

Kenny has spent the season on loan with the Bundesliga side after it was made clear last summer that playing time would be limited with Everton.

Like other English talents, he has flourished in the country, managing two goals and three assists in 31 Bundesliga games and earning rave reviews from fans and pundits alike.

Indeed, he was widely considered as one of the few positives out of a disappointing season for Schalke, who finished 12th in the table.
Similarly, Kenny has expressed his interest in staying at the club in some capacity having settled quickly in Germany and enjoyed the regular playing time he was looking for.

However, it seems neither will get their wish, with Schneider revealing that Everton have turned down their advances.

ďJonjoe fitted Schalke like a glove,Ē Kicker report him saying.

ďWe have deposited our interest in him coming back to us for another year on a loan basis. 

ďEverton saw it differently; we have to respect that.Ē

The question now is whether Kenny stays at Everton this summer or finds himself moved on as part of the bigger rebuild.

The Blues certainly need reinforcements at right-back, and he has impressed in the Bundesliga, but whether thatís been enough to convince Carlo Ancelotti or Marcel Brands to give him his chance is unknown.

Whatever funds Everton have available to them is likely to be the determining factor. If there is money, it is easy see to them spending to improve a problem area.

However, if money is tight, which is likely, Kenny may just find himself as the beneficiary while Everton focus on improving elsewhere.

Rightly so. We arenít a charity. If heís been a success they can buy him
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Waltzer on July 02, 2020, 09:58:10 PM
Rightly so. We arenít a charity. If heís been a success they can buy him

I get that, was more if the plans are for Sidebe to go and he stays with us, or if we have offers in the pipeline for him?
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 02, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
I imagine Carlo wants to work with him first hand before deciding
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 02, 2020, 11:39:33 PM
Id keep Kenny a year. Saves us looking for a RB. Have him and Coleman. He might step up like Holgate did.

We have more pressing concerns elsewhere. CM and RW as an example.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: cantoffee on July 03, 2020, 12:15:41 AM
Id keep Kenny a year. Saves us looking for a RB. Have him and Coleman. He might step up like Holgate did.

We have more pressing concerns elsewhere. CM and RW as an example.
I dont think we have that much money to spend and it's just not a priority position when Coleman can still put in plenty of 7/10 performances and Kenny can push him to try to win his place.

We will surely be focusing on the most needed areas which central midfield will be far and away number 1.

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: ajax_andy on July 03, 2020, 12:21:33 AM
Id keep Kenny a year. Saves us looking for a RB. Have him and Coleman. He might step up like Holgate did.

We have more pressing concerns elsewhere. CM and RW as an example.

Agreed, see if Carlo can work his magic on him first before moving on without even seeing
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 03, 2020, 02:56:30 AM
Iíve said before I donít think heís anywhere near good enough. Iíd be content for him to come back and backup Coleman for a year so we can concentrate our funds on CM and RW, but heís said he wants to be starting games, so Iím not sure how that will work. Also not sure who would pay the supposed £15m we were asking for, in this climate.


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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 03, 2020, 02:59:03 AM
Also not sure who would pay the supposed £15m we were asking for, in this climate.


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West Ham if they stay up  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2020, 10:07:31 AM
I miss the days we could just throw players at Sunderland like cooked spaghetti....
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2020, 04:48:10 PM
I've said before I don't think he's anywhere near good enough. I'd be content for him to come back and backup Coleman for a year so we can concentrate our funds on CM and RW, but he's said he wants to be starting games, so I'm not sure how that will work. Also not sure who would pay the supposed £15m we were asking for, in this climate.


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I think heíll get games. Sidibe got plenty this season.


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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 03, 2020, 08:35:26 PM
I think heíll get games. Sidibe got plenty this season.


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Well of course he'll get games; I don't think we planned on still having Coleman be our #1 RB at this point.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: niallfitz92 on July 03, 2020, 10:34:39 PM
Iíd keep him, think he would push Coleman for the RB spot, now heís full season under his belt


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Title: Jonjoe Kenny
Post by: Toffee1 on July 30, 2020, 12:27:19 AM
https://tbrfootball.com/report-west-ham-want-23-year-old-everton-defender/
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Waltzer on July 30, 2020, 12:30:23 AM
According to The Telegraph, West Ham United manager David Moyes wants to bring Everton right-back Jonjoe Kenny to the London Stadium this summer.

The Hammers have Ryan Fredericks and Ben Johnson as their options in the position, but are looking for another quality addition and Moyes is looking to reunite with the Toffees academy graduate.



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Title: Re: Jonjoe Kenny
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 30, 2020, 12:57:16 AM
https://tbrfootball.com/report-west-ham-want-23-year-old-everton-defender/
32 million please Davey. English premium and all that.
Also add ons and a sell on clause...cheers mate.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 01:04:55 AM
According to The Telegraph, West Ham United manager David Moyes wants to bring Everton right-back Jonjoe Kenny to the London Stadium this summer.

The Hammers have Ryan Fredericks and Ben Johnson as their options in the position, but are looking for another quality addition and Moyes is looking to reunite with the Toffees academy graduate.

Go on...
Title: Re: Jonjoe Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 01:07:13 AM
32 million please Davey. English premium and all that.
Also add ons and a sell on clause...cheers mate.

Hell I'd take half that. Got to imagine we had 12m earmarked for Sidibe just in case, so could probably buy a nice RB for 28m or so.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Macca77 on July 30, 2020, 01:25:24 AM
20 million at least, why not eh
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Waltzer on July 30, 2020, 01:52:15 AM
Go on...
?

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 01:57:17 AM
?

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Sorry, this is where words on a screen can't convey the tone. My mates and I always say 'Go on...' when we hear something we like lol and want it to happen.

edit: like, tell me more pls!
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 30, 2020, 02:07:30 AM
I'd want to see if or how he's progressed before cutting him lose. He shows passion for the shirt, tries to make an impact so he's already ahead of most of those other lazy bastards. Moyes knows a decent player and we know that from experience.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2020, 02:10:36 AM
I'd want to see if or how he's progressed before cutting him lose. He shows passion for the shirt, tries to make an impact so he's already ahead of most of those other lazy bastards. Moyes knows a decent player and we know that from experience.

We have to start being brave. If we see how heís progressed then so does everyone else. Itís what we keep doing and itís why we never get fuck all for our young players that donít make it with us.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 02:13:02 AM
I'd want to see if or how he's progressed before cutting him lose. He shows passion for the shirt, tries to make an impact so he's already ahead of most of those other lazy bastards. Moyes knows a decent player and we know that from experience.

For some reason after reading the 'lazy bastards' portion of your comment, the Sex Pistols "(I'm a) Lazy Sod" began playing through my head.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 30, 2020, 02:23:39 AM
We have to start being brave. If we see how heís progressed then so does everyone else. Itís what we keep doing and itís why we never get fuck all for our young players that donít make it with us.

Meant to quote.. there's nothing brave about taking Sidibe on mate. I know we never took the option to sign him but he was poor more than good. I remember a few whipped crosses but the image of liverpool youth ripping him apart lingers longer. All we have to do is check Kenny out before spaffing millions on a position that has less urgency than the midfield. If he's not improved, then yeah shift him. There's always a buyer... we bought enough shite to prove that.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Cozzie on July 30, 2020, 02:26:01 AM
What ever happened to that Sam Byram bloke that West Ham where pulling their cocks off that they beat us too?

Wasn't he a right back?

Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 30, 2020, 02:30:49 AM
Meant to quote.. there's nothing brave about taking Sidibe on mate. I know we never took the option to sign him but he was poor more than good. I remember a few whipped crosses but the image of liverpool youth ripping him apart lingers longer. All we have to do is check Kenny out before spaffing millions on a position that has less urgency than the midfield. If he's not improved, then yeah shift him. There's always a buyer... we bought enough shite to prove that.

We need to make a quick decision though. We let him have a shit year with us before we decide then we wonít get what weíd potentially get now.

Weíve a list of them. Pennington, dowell, garbutt. Gave them new contracts gave them time to confirm they werenít good enough and got stuck with them
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 30, 2020, 02:36:42 AM
We need to make a quick decision though. We let him have a shit year with us before we decide then we wonít get what weíd potentially get now.

Weíve a list of them. Pennington, dowell, garbutt. Gave them new contracts gave them time to confirm they werenít good enough and got stuck with them

Agree on that mate. I'm thinking pre season trial, not a year. We must have had people watching him on loan so half job done if so. At least let Carlo have a look before binning. Remember McCall? We bought him back if I remember right..
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Bluedylan on July 30, 2020, 02:36:53 AM
What ever happened to that Sam Byram bloke that West Ham where pulling their cocks off that they beat us too?

Wasn't he a right back?



Turned out to be shit, much like Kyle Naughton, who everyone said was the better of the two Kyles (compared to Walker).
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Brownie on July 30, 2020, 02:37:08 AM
What ever happened to that Sam Byram bloke that West Ham where pulling their cocks off that they beat us too?

Wasn't he a right back?



Heís now at Fulham isnít he?
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 30, 2020, 02:37:32 AM
Dont see Kenny being the long term answer
Defo not short term
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GLewis on July 30, 2020, 02:44:15 AM
Meant to quote.. there's nothing brave about taking Sidibe on mate. I know we never took the option to sign him but he was poor more than good. I remember a few whipped crosses but the image of liverpool youth ripping him apart lingers longer. All we have to do is check Kenny out before spaffing millions on a position that has less urgency than the midfield. If he's not improved, then yeah shift him. There's always a buyer... we bought enough shite to prove that.

Itís not Kenny or Sidibe though, or at least not definitely.

Donít forget that weíve (the club) had a proper look at him out on loan at a good standard, so we should have enough of an idea what heís like by now.

Other issue is that Coleman is fine defensively but not great going forward these days. Kenny isnít great going forward so those two options arenít balanced.

All that is caveated by what anyone is willing to pay but if itís a good price, thatís probably the best weíre going to get (if we not sure heís going to be really good).
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Cozzie on July 30, 2020, 02:47:06 AM
Turned out to be shit, much like Kyle Naughton, who everyone said was the better of the two Kyles (compared to Walker).

Just remember not hearing at all about him when they signed him.

Remember when the same trio of dick heads went over board after they "beat us" to Mikel Forsell when they were at Birmingham, despite the fact he had spent last season on loan there.

Turns out we didn't miss much with Byram then.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Cozzie on July 30, 2020, 02:48:01 AM
Heís now at Fulham isnít he?

Just checked its Norwich, he may have just signed for Fulham though I am not sure, no way he was gonna oust Aarons at Norwich.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 03:39:22 AM
Meant to quote.. there's nothing brave about taking Sidibe on mate. I know we never took the option to sign him but he was poor more than good. I remember a few whipped crosses but the image of liverpool youth ripping him apart lingers longer. All we have to do is check Kenny out before spaffing millions on a position that has less urgency than the midfield. If he's not improved, then yeah shift him. There's always a buyer... we bought enough shite to prove that.

It was the "real" Liverpool that ripped him apart, just a little clarification.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 03:41:58 AM
Itís not Kenny or Sidibe though, or at least not definitely.

Donít forget that weíve (the club) had a proper look at him out on loan at a good standard, so we should have enough of an idea what heís like by now.

I'd be very interested in learning what the Everton brass thought of Kenny's loan spell. Not that I'll ever personally know lol, but it'd be fun to see how near or far apart we were.

Seeing as how I'm a professional talent evaluator and all.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GLewis on July 30, 2020, 03:54:37 AM
I'd be very interested in learning what the Everton brass thought of Kenny's loan spell. Not that I'll ever personally know lol, but it'd be fun to see how near or far apart we were.

Seeing as how I'm a professional talent evaluator and all.

Guess weíll find out this summer!
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 03:56:00 AM
Guess weíll find out this summer!

Indeed we will. Though you'd think the club would just come out and have a 'welcome back Jonjoe' type of announcement. Put to bed any RB rumors for at least the time being.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: kerryblue boy on July 30, 2020, 03:59:10 AM
Just remember not hearing at all about him when they signed him.

Remember when the same trio of dick heads went over board after they "beat us" to Mikel Forsell when they were at Birmingham, despite the fact he had spent last season on loan there.

Turns out we didn't miss much with Byram then.
They were at it when they got that young striker off us said he was going to be the new Harry Kane I think he was Nathan something
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 30, 2020, 04:36:23 AM
It was the "real" Liverpool that ripped him apart, just a little clarification.

Was it? I thought it was the cup game... either way he wasn't great defending his positional space.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 04:50:41 AM
Was it? I thought it was the cup game... either way he wasn't great defending his positional space.

Yeah, Mane tore him a new one and Sidibe got subbed out at like 34' or something.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: markB on August 06, 2020, 01:58:38 AM

Jonjo working well
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Confucius on August 06, 2020, 10:31:32 AM
We not in a position to be holding onto players. We should sell high, as high as possible and that is likely Kenny right now. He likely wonít get game time with us this season and his value drops.

Sell him and sell him quickly.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Shogun on August 06, 2020, 11:07:38 AM
Completely forgot about Jonjoe, be interesting to see what he can do next season, if anything.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: ajax_andy on August 06, 2020, 12:24:51 PM
We not in a position to be holding onto players. We should sell high, as high as possible and that is likely Kenny right now. He likely wonít get game time with us this season and his value drops.

Sell him and sell him quickly.

I agree but its just so not Everton to do this is it?
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 06, 2020, 01:32:26 PM
Itíll be interesting to see if thereís still a market for him in wake of the pandemic. The proposed £15m suddenly feels like a lot for a player of his level. Hopefully the West Ham rumour is true.


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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: markB on August 06, 2020, 03:47:09 PM
We not in a position to be holding onto players. We should sell high, as high as possible and that is likely Kenny right now. He likely wonít get game time with us this season and his value drops.

Sell him and sell him quickly.

see I would go the other way sell Coleman keep Kenny , we are looking at RB this window and if the right one comes along you need to be able to make the move for him , having the club captain as the player in you spot is not going to work for some players
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GLewis on August 06, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
see I would go the other way sell Coleman keep Kenny , we are looking at RB this window and if the right one comes along you need to be able to make the move for him , having the club captain as the player in you spot is not going to work for some players


Yes but Coleman is worth £0 on the market, whereas JJK could bring in a decent fee.

We didnít have a problem not playing Coleman last year; only didnít happen more as Sidibe had some woeful games.

I think most players would see Coleman is coming to the end and would expect to play more often than not (like Digne with Baines).
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: markB on August 06, 2020, 04:13:08 PM
Yes but Coleman is worth £0 on the market, whereas JJK could bring in a decent fee.

We didnít have a problem not playing Coleman last year; only didnít happen more as Sidibe had some woeful games.

I think most players would see Coleman is coming to the end and would expect to play more often than not (like Digne with Baines).

31 V 35 come on ffs 

you 100% sure JJK will not make it but you want a good fee so then we need 2 right backs over the next to summer windows

you could get 4/5m for Coleman easy for clubs not looking there RB to attack

I really do not get some of yous on here we loan a player out (the best loan we have done in a long time ) and before we see what he is like yous want him shipped out and are happy to keep on playing a RB that is past his best

might be that when the next FM comes out and JJK,s stats are better on there some might think again
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: brap2 on August 06, 2020, 04:21:53 PM
31 V 35 come on ffs 

you 100% sure JJK will not make it but you want a good fee so then we need 2 right backs over the next to summer windows

you could get 4/5m for Coleman easy for clubs not looking there RB to attack

I really do not get some of yous on here we loan a player out (the best loan we have done in a long time ) and before we see what he is like yous want him shipped out and are happy to keep on playing a RB that is past his best

might be that when the next FM comes out and JJK,s stats are better on there some might think again

I don't think anyone wants Coleman starting.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: TheRam on August 06, 2020, 04:53:21 PM
Dont mind Coleman starting a few games myself

He's not as bad as people make out. Still an important player.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Hawkandro on August 06, 2020, 05:34:14 PM
Yes but Coleman is worth £0 on the market, whereas JJK could bring in a decent fee.

We didnít have a problem not playing Coleman last year; only didnít happen more as Sidibe had some woeful games.

I think most players would see Coleman is coming to the end and would expect to play more often than not (like Digne with Baines).

Kenny is home-grown too, so would be better deal financially for us. We would get 100% of fee rather than having to worry about divvying up with former clubs etc.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GLewis on August 06, 2020, 06:12:15 PM
31 V 35 come on ffs 

you 100% sure JJK will not make it but you want a good fee so then we need 2 right backs over the next to summer windows

you could get 4/5m for Coleman easy for clubs not looking there RB to attack

I really do not get some of yous on here we loan a player out (the best loan we have done in a long time ) and before we see what he is like yous want him shipped out and are happy to keep on playing a RB that is past his best

might be that when the next FM comes out and JJK,s stats are better on there some might think again

Baines was only 33 at the time and better than Coleman is now, so I think the point was more than fair.

I just donít see any paying that for Coleman now given modern propensity for attacking FBs

Re JJK loan, yes was a loan at a good club.

Didnít see loads of his games so Iím theorising, but IF the club donít think heís a long term solution they may well look to sell now on the back of that loan.

The higher fee received for JJK than we would get for Coleman would go towards a new player who is ďbetterĒ than JJK and much younger than Coleman.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 06, 2020, 06:22:36 PM
Its essential that we get a first team ready RB.

Kenny didnt prove he was definitely ready to be that RB.

Coleman plus a first team ready RB is better than Kenny plus a first team ready RB. Dont underestimate Coleman's experience in the dressing room and around the club.

So if I'm in favour of selling Kenny and making money on him.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: cantoffee on August 06, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
Baines was only 33 at the time and better than Coleman is now, so I think the point was more than fair.

I just donít see any paying that for Coleman now given modern propensity for attacking FBs

Re JJK loan, yes was a loan at a good club.

Didnít see loads of his games so Iím theorising, but IF the club donít think heís a long term solution they may well look to sell now on the back of that loan.

The higher fee received for JJK than we would get for Coleman would go towards a new player who is ďbetterĒ than JJK and much younger than Coleman.

And Coleman is more than capable of deputising for a few years. Still able to shut down most wingers in the league and can see him getting specific assignments even if we brought someone else in.

I actually donít think heís that bad and think weíll probably go with him for most of the year as we have too many other holes to fill. A right winger who cuts inside might make his overlapping a bit easier and improve his output in attack.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: cantoffee on August 06, 2020, 06:26:24 PM
Also think Ancellotti will view Coleman as one of the few with decent mentality which we seem to lack. Canít be losing Coleman and Baines in the same year - who becomes the default leader in the dressing room?
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GLewis on August 06, 2020, 06:55:15 PM
And Coleman is more than capable of deputising for a few years. Still able to shut down most wingers in the league and can see him getting specific assignments even if we brought someone else in.

I actually donít think heís that bad and think weíll probably go with him for most of the year as we have too many other holes to fill. A right winger who cuts inside might make his overlapping a bit easier and improve his output in attack.

Yes, he was never a slow attack player but even more now heíd rely on someone playing him in.

Could see him being used in that hybrid 343 when attacking/ 442 when defending system that we played in CAs first few games, if we get a flying RB
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: sam of the south on August 07, 2020, 04:07:37 AM
Canít be losing Coleman and Baines in the same year - who becomes the default leader in the dressing room?

S-Si- *oh god 🤢* Sigurdsson? 😳
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Jacko4468 on August 07, 2020, 04:33:18 AM
 60 grand would see us break even on Coleman
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 08, 2020, 12:47:21 AM
Anyone who saw Schalke lose 5-0 to Bayern, 4-0 to Dortmund, or 0-5 to Leipzig would want Kenny shipped out as quickly as possible. Absolutely rinsed in all 3 games.

Whoscored for the year:
Coleman - 6.59
Sidibe - 6.93

Kenny - 6.51

The Prem is faster and more physical than the Bundesliga. He'll get killed here.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: markB on August 08, 2020, 02:27:50 AM
Anyone who saw Schalke lose 5-0 to Bayern, 4-0 to Dortmund, or 0-5 to Leipzig would want Kenny shipped out as quickly as possible. Absolutely rinsed in all 3 games.

Whoscored for the year:
Coleman - 6.59
Sidibe - 6.93

Kenny - 6.51

The Prem is faster and more physical than the Bundesliga. He'll get killed here.

6.59 rating not bad it will get better next year and the year after that OH WAIT

6.51 0.08 lower for a young lad in new league and his best years are behind him OH WAIT

got all the same crap posted about DLC and Holgate but I tell you it its so fucking good to see so many back track on them 2 lads this one I am going to take even more joy in as it is so much clearer to see he will make it

oh and the 3rd player I said would make it back then was Antonee Robinson was about to get sold for 10m in the winter window to Milan we sold for 2m (one year of paying Baines) now we need cover at LB
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 08, 2020, 02:41:07 AM
6.59 rating not bad it will get better next year and the year after that OH WAIT

6.51 0.08 lower for a young lad in new league and his best years are behind him OH WAIT

got all the same crap posted about DLC and Holgate but I tell you it its so fucking good to see so many back track on them 2 lads this one I am going to take even more joy in as it is so much clearer to see he will make it

oh and the 3rd player I said would make it back then was Antonee Robinson was about to get sold for 10m in the winter window to Milan we sold for 2m (one year of paying Baines) now we need cover at LB

I didn't say anything about Coleman; I don't particularly want him as our starter either, but Kenny just isn't the answer. Did you watch Schalke this season? Did you see him get torched time and again in those 3 games? He made Sidibe look like the best defensive RB in the world.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: markB on August 08, 2020, 02:53:48 AM
I didn't say anything about Coleman; I don't particularly want him as our starter either, but Kenny just isn't the answer. Did you watch Schalke this season? Did you see him get torched time and again in those 3 games? He made Sidibe look like the best defensive RB in the world.

new 1st choice YES and Kenny as backup not Coleman for me

and yes I did see a lot of him last year did a lot better than most think most games overlapping what he has always be doing but a good few games learning underlapping (took him time to work it out but he got there )

this is not having a pop at you but go look if he was underlapping in them bad games
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: TheRam on August 08, 2020, 02:54:38 AM
I didn't say anything about Coleman; I don't particularly want him as our starter either, but Kenny just isn't the answer. Did you watch Schalke this season? Did you see him get torched time and again in those 3 games? He made Sidibe look like the best defensive RB in the world.

The three best teams in the league there.

Heís not as bad as our fans try to make out.

He had a successful spell on loan at a big club, playing at a good level.

If we go with him a Coleman it isnít the end of the world.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 08, 2020, 03:06:57 AM
The three best teams in the league there.

Heís not as bad as our fans try to make out.

He had a successful spell on loan at a big club, playing at a good level.

If we go with him a Coleman it isnít the end of the world.

No, it won't be, but it also doesn't bode well for him against a solid 1/3 of the Prem table either. It's just a more difficult league, not that you don't know that of course. RB also falls under probably not top priority this window. Though I'd very much prefer a sell-Kenny-buy-someone-else wash in terms of spend.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 08, 2020, 03:09:26 AM
new 1st choice YES and Kenny as backup not Coleman for me

and yes I did see a lot of him last year did a lot better than most think most games overlapping what he has always be doing but a good few games learning underlapping (took him time to work it out but he got there )

this is not having a pop at you but go look if he was underlapping in them bad games

I can't really recall, but tbh, Schalke was on the back foot for those entire games.

I'm completely fine with a new starting RB & Kenny as back-up; I just unfortunately don't think that's a realistic option for us at this juncture.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: stirlingblue on August 09, 2020, 05:35:20 PM
I do worry about his pace, you really need to be able to keep up with the PL speed merchants
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: sam of the south on August 09, 2020, 07:48:35 PM
I do worry about his pace, you really need to be able to keep up with the PL speed merchants

Yeah, itís his main downside, for me.

I like his tenacity, energy, passing into feet, and tackling abilities, but he is susceptible to pace. He could improve his positional awareness to counteract this, of course.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: KingdingalingNL on August 09, 2020, 08:06:07 PM
I watched Schalke a lot and he was one of their best players, rating him and comparing him to players from a different league is just... well, stupid! Schalke started off ok but then went to shit so even if Kenny played out of his skin he still would have failed. Their goalkeeper went to Bayern and is highly thought of but playing at Schalke and especially near the end he looked shit, but the players in front of him did not help. The 3 teams mentioned ripped other teams to pieces aswel which had experienced players in their team so also not a very good way to prove Kenny got rinsed. Chelsea are not a bad team but Bayern did them over. Kenny is not a bad player and will definitely improve, the question is if he is the player we need now to improve us straight away? Answer is probably no! If we are not going for a rb and go with Coleman with Kenny as back up and then look to the season after then I am OK with this as long as we improve other area's. I do think that rb is a position that we should improve this coming season though, but as I said if it means we do improve other more urgent area's then ok go with Coleman and Kenny.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: GLewis on August 09, 2020, 08:10:34 PM
Yeah, itís his main downside, for me.

I like his tenacity, energy, passing into feet, and tackling abilities, but he is susceptible to pace. He could improve his positional awareness to counteract this, of course.

Maybe this is why heís often caught 10 yards behind everyone else :)
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2020, 08:26:05 PM
Maybe this is why he's often caught 10 yards behind everyone else :)
That's my biggest concern
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Silas on August 09, 2020, 08:38:40 PM
Those who scored ratings are about as accurate as the old nsno ones.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: sam of the south on August 09, 2020, 09:12:49 PM
Maybe this is why heís often caught 10 yards behind everyone else :)

Yeah, overcompensation.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: stirlingblue on August 09, 2020, 11:10:21 PM
To give some context to my earlier comment, Iím judging him against being our first choice right back this year because sadly Coleman isnít good enough to do that any more
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 09, 2020, 11:18:38 PM
I watched Schalke a lot and he was one of their best players, rating him and comparing him to players from a different league is just... well, stupid! Schalke started off ok but then went to shit so even if Kenny played out of his skin he still would have failed. Their goalkeeper went to Bayern and is highly thought of but playing at Schalke and especially near the end he looked shit, but the players in front of him did not help. The 3 teams mentioned ripped other teams to pieces aswel which had experienced players in their team so also not a very good way to prove Kenny got rinsed. Chelsea are not a bad team but Bayern did them over. Kenny is not a bad player and will definitely improve, the question is if he is the player we need now to improve us straight away? Answer is probably no! If we are not going for a rb and go with Coleman with Kenny as back up and then look to the season after then I am OK with this as long as we improve other area's. I do think that rb is a position that we should improve this coming season though, but as I said if it means we do improve other more urgent area's then ok go with Coleman and Kenny.

I think it's perfectly fair to compare him regardless of league. It's an annual score so it certainly takes into consideration all the games against all the teams, not just the upper echelon. And the scoring system is identical. It still begins at 6 and evaluates tackling, interceptions, headers, fouls, passing, etc.

Football is football. He wasn't very good.
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: KingdingalingNL on August 10, 2020, 01:30:10 AM
I think it's perfectly fair to compare him regardless of league. It's an annual score so it certainly takes into consideration all the games against all the teams, not just the upper echelon. And the scoring system is identical. It still begins at 6 and evaluates tackling, interceptions, headers, fouls, passing, etc.

Football is football. He wasn't very good.
Your opinion
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 10, 2020, 01:36:19 AM
Your opinion

Of course it's only my opinion. Difference being is I didn't call your opinion "stupid."
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: KingdingalingNL on August 10, 2020, 01:57:36 AM
Of course it's only my opinion. Difference being is I didn't call your opinion "stupid."
And I stand by mine
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 10, 2020, 02:14:55 AM
And I stand by mine

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 10, 2020, 02:17:07 AM
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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 10, 2020, 02:51:17 AM
How did you find this? i think its a mate of a mate hhahhhahahah

I googled sarcastic clap 😂
Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 10, 2020, 03:02:21 AM
I googled sarcastic clap 😂

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Title: Re: Jonjo Kenny
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 10, 2020, 03:03:21 AM
Defo my mates friend haha its a lad called Daryl!

That's incredible! Tell him he's on Giphy lolol