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Title: Carlo’s Way
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on December 23, 2019, 08:43:19 PM
A lot of people - some so called experts are saying he’s not a good fit for our club. But after reading lots of articles about his formations and playstyles I reckon with a few adjustments, notably up top, I reckon the current core of our squad, with a few specific, quality additions wont be a million miles from what he will require to get us challenging for Europe.

Read too many pages but the 4-3-3 or rather a 4-3-2-1 pops up a lot. So maybe, assuming everyone is fit and Kean shows the quality that was expected:

Pickford

Sidibie/SC ——- Holgate ——- Mina ——- Digne

Gbamin
Delph/TD/GS ————— Gomes/TD/GS

Kean/AI/TW ——— Richarlison/B/AI

DCL/Kean/IBRA!

I guess we will see in the next few games, but in the past, managers havent changed things around significantly against either teams that park the bus (Burnley) or teams that play Def/Counter (RS/Leicester) and we have been gobsmacked when we dont adjust our play to their tactics. But I think Carlo’s way will be a lot different to what we have been used to of late, a lot more fluid, changing and reactive and not as exposed or outthought.

I dont think we will see much change in the players vs Burnley and possibly not much change in formation, but if we can retain the fighting spirit, I do expect we will play a lot more intelligent and clinical football, not scared to play, and express but still sometimes take a pragmatic approach, but finding a better balance rather than kick and rush and then panic reaction. A lot more professional. What do other people expect?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 09:11:49 PM
He played a 4-4-2, or 4-4-2 double 6, for his time at Napoli, and a 4-2-3-1 at Bayern, but their team was built to do that effectively (they used it before, and after him as well). aka they have Robert Lewandowski and world-class midfielders/wings. Madrid was both, plus a 4-3-3, but if can remember an article I read correctly, the 4-3-3 was at the owner's insistence because of how they would build the formation around Ronaldo. Not certain of that.

Given our current squad, I'd be surprised if he didn't stick with 4-4-2 or its variations, but hey, as the man himself said in his press conference today, anything's possible!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 23, 2019, 09:14:04 PM
His Playbook?

Everything I've read suggests he will adapt his tactics to suit the players he has, so on the basis of that you'd have to work out who our most important players are and fit them in.

Depends heavily on his opinion of Sigurdsson, but I think he will look to build this season around:

DCL
Richarlison
Iwobi
Bernard

To get all of those players in the side and in their best positions, I'd say something like a 4321


Pickford

Sidibe Mina Holgate Digne

Davies Schneiderlin
Iwobi

Richarlison Bernard

DCL


Or a 4222

Pickford

Sidibe Mina Holgate Digne

Davies Schneiderlin

Iwobi Bernard

DCL Richarlison


Not including the injured posse.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigmanbob on December 23, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
or 4-4-2 double 6
Who, how what???

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 09:25:06 PM
Who, how what???

lol

442 (can be called a 'double 6' if lined up in a 4222 diamond shape) as opposed to a 442 flat with is what you think it is.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigmanbob on December 23, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
Jesus, FIFA has got a hell of a lot to answer for
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 09:28:53 PM
Jesus, FIFA has got a hell of a lot to answer for

It does seem very "football managerish" doesn't it? haha
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Everton Mint on December 23, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
Until he gets some new players in and/ or back from injury I'll be surprised if he changes things very much tactically.

It'll be more about how he can change the existing players attitude and mentality. They need confidence and calmness and belief in what they are being told.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gash on December 23, 2019, 10:19:59 PM
It does seem very "football managerish" doesn't it? haha

Sounds more like an "American soccerism".
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GoodisonPk on December 23, 2019, 10:22:13 PM
This squad isn’t good enough. We need a statement type player like a Cavani or similar. The first one would be the hardest to get. This window may not be the one to bring in such a player but needs to be the one to get rid of Tosuns and Scheiderlins.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 10:30:21 PM
Sounds more like an "American soccerism".

Hey I didn't make it up.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 10:32:47 PM
This squad isn’t good enough. We need a statement type player like a Cavani or similar. The first one would be the hardest to get. This window may not be the one to bring in such a player but needs to be the one to get rid of Tosuns and Scheiderlins.

Who's going to pay Tosun the 55k/week he's guaranteed through June 2022, or the 100k/week Schneiderlin is guaranteed through June 2021?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on December 23, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
Who's going to pay Tosun the 55k/week he's guaranteed through June 2022, or the 100k/week Schneiderlin is guaranteed through June 2021?
Hopefully the same morons that took on Cleverly and McCarthy etc !
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on December 23, 2019, 10:38:58 PM
Who's going to pay Tosun the 55k/week he's guaranteed through June 2022, or the 100k/week Schneiderlin is guaranteed through June 2021?

..sake.. did Steve Walsh ever get another job after us ?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 23, 2019, 10:40:17 PM
It does seem very "football managerish" doesn't it? haha

I ain't even posted in this here thread yet, Consarnit!

/damn it, screwed up the quote thingy, don't mind me is a 2-pill morning

//as I said to some friends the other day, Carlo could shit in my hat, and I'd still have the same stupid smile on my face
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 23, 2019, 10:42:35 PM
..sake.. did Steve Walsh ever get another job after us ?

This is why I believe we offered him a 4 1/2 year deal. The club knows NO manager is positioned to fix our financial/contractual mess in even 2 years' time. Brands will need to pull off several miracles to free up the funds we'll want or need.

But I had a thought that might help us...does anyone know if it's possible to say, split a player's wages when sold? Example, someone wants Gylfi but is only willing to pay 50k/week. Can we sell him and cover the other 50k/week for the rest of his contract? Not ideal, but it still frees up some much needed weekly wage capital.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 23, 2019, 11:59:42 PM
..sake.. did Steve Walsh ever get another job after us ?

Nah we’re still paying him £60k a week as well.....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on December 24, 2019, 12:02:34 AM
 :headbang:
Nah we’re still paying him £60k a week as well.....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on December 24, 2019, 12:16:45 AM
There's a video of him taking training today, don't know if anyone knows this, but Carlo Ancelotti is our manager
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on December 24, 2019, 12:21:50 AM
There's a video of him taking training today, don't know if anyone knows this, but Carlo Ancelotti is our manager


1:15 looks like he's just seen Niasse for the first time
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 24, 2019, 12:30:14 AM
Maximum respect for Carlo a superb acquisition but does anyone know what he is like at working with and developing and promoting young players?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Makis on December 24, 2019, 12:40:27 AM
If he wants to play 4-4-2, which would make sense more than 4-3-3 with the current squad I think with no additions and everybody fit and having read on how he likes to see the different roles the team would like something like this:

Pickford
Coleman - Holgate - Mina - Digne
Walcott - Schneiderlin - Gomes - Richarlison
DCL - Kean

He likes one of the full-backs to be defensive and Coleman is the most defensive one, unless he plays Holgate there and Keane comes in to CB. But as Ancelotti likes his CBs to be good with the ball I think Keane's time at the club might be short. He also likes one of the wide players to be a winger who stretches the opponent. At Napoli it was the right midfielder and Walcott is really the only option for that sort of role. He also likes a central midfield pairing where one is deep-lying playmaker and the other a box-to-box midfielder. I'm optimistic and assume Ancelotti gets his players back to their prime. Schneiderlin was good at Southampton and out of our midfielders he is the best positionally. I have no idea how well Gbami would play and I wouldn't be shocked if he was trained to play CB instead anyways. Gomes was brilliant as box-to-box midfielder before his move to Barcelona. Richarlison sounds almost ideal for Ancelotti's left midfielder. He wants that player to drift inside and look for shooting chances.

For his forward duo he likes one runner who wins the headers. DCL looks ideal for this. The other one is the poacher and Kean looks like a prime candidate. He also stated he rates Kean highly and tried to buy him to Napoli.

There are still places up for grabs. Central midfield has a player with an unknown return date and a player not exactly top of his game and there are several players vying for a spot there. I would also expect a signing to central midfield in January. Of course Ancelotti might also tweak his system to somehow fit two attacking fullbacks (i.e. Sidibe in for Coleman).

But the next months will be interesting. Players are playing for their future in the club. Some players always blossom when a new gaffer arrives while others fade. But what we should see is some template on how Ancelotti sees the team play going forward. This should also give an idea of what types of players the club will target in the summer. Until then even the positions are pure guesswork, never mind any names.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 24, 2019, 12:42:18 AM
If he wants to play 4-4-2, which would make sense more than 4-3-3 with the current squad I think with no additions and everybody fit and having read on how he likes to see the different roles the team would like something like this:

Pickford
Coleman - Holgate - Mina - Digne
Walcott - Schneiderlin - Gomes - Richarlison
DCL - Kean

He likes one of the full-backs to be defensive and Coleman is the most defensive one, unless he plays Holgate there and Keane comes in to CB. But as Ancelotti likes his CBs to be good with the ball I think Keane's time at the club might be short. He also likes one of the wide players to be a winger who stretches the opponent. At Napoli it was the right midfielder and Walcott is really the only option for that sort of role. He also likes a central midfield pairing where one is deep-lying playmaker and the other a box-to-box midfielder. I'm optimistic and assume Ancelotti gets his players back to their prime. Schneiderlin was good at Southampton and out of our midfielders he is the best positionally. I have no idea how well Gbami would play and I wouldn't be shocked if he was trained to play CB instead anyways. Gomes was brilliant as box-to-box midfielder before his move to Barcelona. Richarlison sounds almost ideal for Ancelotti's left midfielder. He wants that player to drift inside and look for shooting chances.

For his forward duo he likes one runner who wins the headers. DCL looks ideal for this. The other one is the poacher and Kean looks like a prime candidate. He also stated he rates Kean highly and tried to buy him to Napoli.

There are still places up for grabs. Central midfield has a player with an unknown return date and a player not exactly top of his game and there are several players vying for a spot there. I would also expect a signing to central midfield in January. Of course Ancelotti might also tweak his system to somehow fit two attacking fullbacks (i.e. Sidibe in for Coleman).

But the next months will be interesting. Players are playing for their future in the club. Some players always blossom when a new gaffer arrives while others fade. But what we should see is some template on how Ancelotti sees the team play going forward. This should also give an idea of what types of players the club will target in the summer. Until then even the positions are pure guesswork, never mind any names.

Good write-up, but there's no way he starts Coleman over Sidibe. Also, if everyone's fit, Gbamin is playing instead of Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on December 24, 2019, 12:43:52 AM
Plenty of passing drills - good good!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on December 24, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
He's played differently everywhere he's gone so I've no idea what we can expect. I imagine the next six months will be quite different to what we see in the following season.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on December 24, 2019, 12:50:28 AM
Maximum respect for Carlo a superb acquisition but does anyone know what he is like at working with and developing and promoting young players?
Bit of a mixed bag at a glance, but may be more of a reflection of the immediate sucess expected of the clubs he was at.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/22/carlo-ancelotti-chelsea-kakuta-borini
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/real-madrid/news/ancelotti-committed-to-youth-development_112973.html
https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/ancelotti-at-napoli-we-have-a-project-we-invest-in-young-players-54373
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/gallery/revealed-which-managers-give-most-game-time-young-players
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on December 24, 2019, 12:51:59 AM
BTW, when googling for those links I came across these two superb articles about his history, tactical approach, and man management which deserve some space of their own.

https://footballchronicle.co/2019/10/16/how-carlo-ancelottis-playing-career-inspired-his-role-on-the-touchline/

https://leadersinsport.com/performance/coaching-and-development/carlo-ancelotti/
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 24, 2019, 12:54:36 AM
Bit of a mixed bag at a glance, but may be more of a reflection of the immediate sucess expected of the clubs he was at.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/22/carlo-ancelotti-chelsea-kakuta-borini
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/real-madrid/news/ancelotti-committed-to-youth-development_112973.html
https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/ancelotti-at-napoli-we-have-a-project-we-invest-in-young-players-54373
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/gallery/revealed-which-managers-give-most-game-time-young-players

Tar lad. If he can get a few kids playing along with some experienced, stylish but also hard working pros that will get Goodison rocking.

I'd fucking love him to buy John McGinn or Grealish.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Makis on December 24, 2019, 12:56:55 AM
Good write-up, but there's no way he starts Coleman over Sidibe. Also, if everyone's fit, Gbamin is playing instead of Schneiderlin.
The problem with playing both Sidibe and DIgne is one really needs to be cover and neither is very capable of that. We don't have a central midfielder good enough to drop back either, IMO.

But of course he could use a totally different system. That's why the next few games will be extra interesting.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 24, 2019, 01:10:51 AM
The problem with playing both Sidibe and DIgne is one really needs to be cover and neither is very capable of that. We don't have a central midfielder good enough to drop back either, IMO.

But of course he could use a totally different system. That's why the next few games will be extra interesting.

Yeah, that's where Gbamin comes in (for me). As a holding MF anyway, it'd be his job to cover for Sidibe when he presses forward. When I read about Carlo's tactical approach at Napoli (442 defending, 442 double 6/diamond whatever you want to call in attacking), he does use both FBs to attack, and the back 2 MFs cover where applicable. He also presses to a man as opposed to an entire team pressing. This allows the non-pressing players to focus on cutting off passing lanes. Granted this will also required those "interceptors" to have back up in case the pass does get by them. But I can easily see both Sidibe & Digne on the pitch at the same time.

I think many people get caught up in the "Sidibe is always out of position" nonsense when in fact he's doing what any good attack-minded FB does. We just don't have the MF support to provide cover effectively, and haven't all year. Sidibe leads the team in tackles & interceptions per game, btw.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 24, 2019, 01:15:12 AM
BTW, when googling for those links I came across these two superb articles about his history, tactical approach, and man management which deserve some space of their own.

https://footballchronicle.co/2019/10/16/how-carlo-ancelottis-playing-career-inspired-his-role-on-the-touchline/

https://leadersinsport.com/performance/coaching-and-development/carlo-ancelotti/

Tar pal
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on December 24, 2019, 01:25:19 AM
I've watched this twice now, and it still looks like we've won a competition to have Carlo fucking Ancelloti take training for a day 😍
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on December 24, 2019, 01:35:19 AM
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on December 24, 2019, 01:38:36 AM
Seems weird seeing him as a young man running around like that.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on December 24, 2019, 01:41:55 AM
Seems weird seeing him as a young man running around like that.


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He looks like a man that has never been young
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 24, 2019, 01:59:56 AM
I've watched this twice now, and it still looks like we've won a competition to have Carlo fucking Ancelloti take training for a day 😍
And he lost?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Makis on December 24, 2019, 05:01:32 AM
Yeah, that's where Gbamin comes in (for me). As a holding MF anyway, it'd be his job to cover for Sidibe when he presses forward. When I read about Carlo's tactical approach at Napoli (442 defending, 442 double 6/diamond whatever you want to call in attacking), he does use both FBs to attack, and the back 2 MFs cover where applicable. He also presses to a man as opposed to an entire team pressing. This allows the non-pressing players to focus on cutting off passing lanes. Granted this will also required those "interceptors" to have back up in case the pass does get by them. But I can easily see both Sidibe & Digne on the pitch at the same time.

I think many people get caught up in the "Sidibe is always out of position" nonsense when in fact he's doing what any good attack-minded FB does. We just don't have the MF support to provide cover effectively, and haven't all year. Sidibe leads the team in tackles & interceptions per game, btw.
When has he last used a pure midfield enforcer? He seems to favour a someone who can ping the ball around, at least since he moved Pirlo from attacking midfielder back.

And I don't criticize Sidibe but he would need to play a game alien to him if he stayed back while Digne bombs forward.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 24, 2019, 05:48:11 AM
When has he last used a pure midfield enforcer? He seems to favour a someone who can ping the ball around, at least since he moved Pirlo from attacking midfielder back.

And I don't criticize Sidibe but he would need to play a game alien to him if he stayed back while Digne bombs forward.

It's a good question, and hard to say, because the last...4 teams prior to Bayern didn't use one (they didn't need to). That said, I'm no expert on him; I only saw him play maybe 3 matches last year, but I checked real quick on whoscored and Gbamin's passing is excellent, both high volume and completion %. Plus I don't think he's just an enforcer. He's like Gana-lite and even joins the attack when warranted (2 goals last year). It can work IMO!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 26, 2019, 04:13:21 AM
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 26, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
For a blueprint of what can be achieved by good leadership look at BATE Borisov who literally went from 3rd Division tractor workers to undisputed champions since 2006 of Belarus and CL regulars

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on December 26, 2019, 03:19:48 PM
For a blueprint of what can be achieved by good leadership look at BATE Borisov who literally went from 3rd Division tractor workers to undisputed champions since 2006 of Belarus

You think this is a blueprint that fits with what we need?

Or are you saying there's lessons we can learn here?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 26, 2019, 03:53:02 PM
You think this is a blueprint that fits with what we need?

Or are you saying there's lessons we can learn here?

Lessons to learn
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on December 26, 2019, 04:28:48 PM
Lessons to learn

Thanks for sharing the vid but why don't you share the main takeaways with us? Be arsed watching a 6min vid on Bate from the Belarussian 3rd division!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on December 26, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Another lovely piece in the national media, by a Liverpool fan - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/everton-vs-burnley-carlo-ancelotti-manager-latest-news-a9259996.html
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on December 26, 2019, 04:59:30 PM
Another lovely piece in the national media, by a Liverpool fan - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/everton-vs-burnley-carlo-ancelotti-manager-latest-news-a9259996.html

Didn't think it was that bad to be honest. The last line is "As long as his energy and appetite match his ability and experience, Everton will be heading for better times."

The only question for me is why we needed another article questioning Ancelotti's ability. But as it is a different type of challenge at Everton I can understand people wondering if he has the tools. I just think it's cheeky to question a man who has achieved so much already.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on December 26, 2019, 05:01:42 PM
Didn't think it was that bad to be honest. The last line is "As long as his energy and appetite match his ability and experience, Everton will be heading for better times."

The only question for me is why we needed another article questioning Ancelotti's ability. But as it is a different type of challenge at Everton I can understand people wondering if he has the tools. I just think it's cheeky to question a man who has achieved so much already.

I thought it was awful, and absolutely dripping with negativity about Everton. Talks about us like we're Sunderland or worse. Horrible little man, Tony Evans. Expect better from the Independent.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on December 26, 2019, 05:12:57 PM
I thought it was awful, and absolutely dripping with negativity about Everton. Talks about us like we're Sunderland or worse. Horrible little man, Tony Evans. Expect better from the Independent.

Fair enough. There was some in there, so I do know exactly what you're saying but it didn't enrage me like some pieces have recently.

I must be still in a Christmas feelgood bubble. Oh well - we play Burnley in a bit so I doubt it will last. Up the Toffees!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on December 26, 2019, 05:16:25 PM
Another lovely piece in the national media, by a Liverpool fan - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/everton-vs-burnley-carlo-ancelotti-manager-latest-news-a9259996.html

I can't stand that fucking disingenuous little gobshite
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on December 26, 2019, 05:20:17 PM
Won’t catch me reading anything written by Tony Evans about Everton.

His agenda is clear. As you can see come derby day and his outrageous accusations about chants from our fans.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on December 26, 2019, 05:23:59 PM
Won’t catch me reading anything written by Tony Evans about Everton.

His agenda is clear. As you can see come derby day and his outrageous accusations about chants from our fans.



Just saw it was the Independent and thought might be a balanced piece and genuinely didn't realise it was him til about half way through the article I was like 'who the fuck wrote this utter tripe?'. Detestable little fella isn't he?

Obviously I'm biased, but I genuinely can't think of a sizeable club that's treated worse by the mainstream media than us. I get that we don't help ourselves sometimes, but there absolutely no need for it. The number of publications and outlets who get Liverpool fans to do their Everton coverage, and don't give a fuck, is pretty grim.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on December 26, 2019, 05:28:43 PM
See this is why I get my news from NSNO - shit gets filtered out by some very well-informed posters on here so I don't have to worry about it.

I'm so fucking lazy but I love you guys!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on December 26, 2019, 06:52:39 PM
For contrast, a sensible balanced article from Gabrielle Marcotti yesterday

Edit - just realised this complements the video Thomas posted on the last page.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/everton/story/4019398/everton-are-an-entirely-new-challenge-for-a-manager-like-carlo-ancelotti-proceed-with-caution
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on December 26, 2019, 07:07:46 PM
Just saw it was the Independent and thought might be a balanced piece and genuinely didn't realise it was him til about half way through the article I was like 'who the fuck wrote this utter tripe?'. Detestable little fella isn't he?

Obviously I'm biased, but I genuinely can't think of a sizeable club that's treated worse by the mainstream media than us. I get that we don't help ourselves sometimes, but there absolutely no need for it. The number of publications and outlets who get Liverpool fans to do their Everton coverage, and don't give a fuck, is pretty grim.

There’s your answer as to why we’re treated as we are: we are a big, historical, successful club that inconveniently occupies the same city as the club that the media adores.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 26, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
For contrast, a sensible balanced article from Gabrielle Marcotti yesterday

Edit - just realised this complements the video Thomas posted on the last page.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/everton/story/4019398/everton-are-an-entirely-new-challenge-for-a-manager-like-carlo-ancelotti-proceed-with-caution

Not bad. Parts of it read closely to many other articles about him coming to us and us some of the same rationale behind the "yeah, but" objections. But at least he plays down/dismisses 2 of the dumbest ones: him not spending more than 2 years anywhere, and the lackadaisical training rumors.

And I do like that he's the first person to even discuss the FFP aspects by recognizing that you can't spend spend spend until the books are cleaned out (though he didn't take into consideration new revenue streams that can work in our favor and mitigate some of this).
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Fynci on December 26, 2019, 07:52:29 PM
See this is why I get my news from NSNO - shit gets filtered out by some very well-informed posters on here so I don't have to worry about it.

I'm so fucking lazy but I love you guys!

I’ve actually blocked all UK news media on my devices, I only get my Everton news here!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 26, 2019, 09:20:31 PM
Not bad. Parts of it read closely to many other articles about him coming to us and us some of the same rationale behind the "yeah, but" objections. But at least he plays down/dismisses 2 of the dumbest ones: him not spending more than 2 years anywhere, and the lackadaisical training rumors.

And I do like that he's the first person to even discuss the FFP aspects by recognizing that you can't spend spend spend until the books are cleaned out (though he didn't take into consideration new revenue streams that can work in our favor and mitigate some of this).

He discussed revenue streams as we are 7th in UK and 17th in the world but to beat FFP we need a stadium. Also Spurs are 6th and we make less than half what they do and that's before their post new stadium accounts.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 26, 2019, 09:21:58 PM
Thanks for sharing the vid but why don't you share the main takeaways with us? Be arsed watching a 6min vid on Bate from the Belarussian 3rd division!
With the right owner and a coach dedicated to working with the team who knew its philosophy and utilised youth they went from....
3rd Division tractor workers to undisputed champions since 2006 of Belarus and CL regulars
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on December 26, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
We are winning the league
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 26, 2019, 11:11:33 PM
We are winning the league

😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on December 28, 2019, 01:33:17 AM
Really impressed with the fluid formation depending on if we were attacking or defending.  We've struggled for a while now to break down teams that sit back, and a manager who couldn't find a single idea on how to combat that.

Ancelotti in his first game manages to come up with a solution that have us more chance of breaking down a team sitting back, but also kept is solid in case of a counter.

I'm not used to this kind of tactical prowess, gets me incredibly excited about our future with him at the helm!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 01:40:43 AM
Really impressed with the fluid formation depending on if we were attacking or defending.  We've struggled for a while now to break down teams that sit back, and a manager who couldn't find a single idea on how to combat that.

Ancelotti in his first game manages to come up with a solution that have us more chance of breaking down a team sitting back, but also kept is solid in case of a counter.

I'm not used to this kind of tactical prowess, gets me incredibly excited about our future with him at the helm!

It's no wonder there's been so much debate over what the formations actually were. I think everyone forgot!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on December 28, 2019, 02:24:22 AM
Was saying to my mate/boss today that it make sense and it’s all in one movement in a way. Very fluid and the fact that we were able to execute in a short space of time considering what it was like under Silva is very encouraging.
He went the game and is it true that nearly every outfield player had an attempt on goal? If so that again is very encouraging that we’re looking at getting everyone involved and with that increases the possibility of getting on the scoreboard!


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 28, 2019, 02:28:10 AM
Was saying to my mate/boss today that it make sense and it’s all in one movement in a way. Very fluid and the fact that we were able to execute in a short space of time considering what it was like under Silva is very encouraging.
He went the game and is it true that nearly every outfield player had an attempt on goal? If so that again is very encouraging that we’re looking at getting everyone involved and with that increases the possibility of getting on the scoreboard!


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It is indeed true, didn't notice that myself!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 28, 2019, 08:51:53 AM
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on December 28, 2019, 09:02:26 AM

I don't particularly rate these guys on their football opinion (though TG has some decent podcasts) and watched this the other day.

A few have brought up Ancelotti coming to us for money. I'm sure he could get better jobs for similar money at other places. Nobody said Jose was going to Spurs for money even though he's reportedly on £4m more a year than Carlo. Do they think Guardiola works for free at Man City? Of course not, he's on £20m a year.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on December 28, 2019, 10:39:13 AM
I don't particularly rate these guys on their football opinion (though TG has some decent podcasts) and watched this the other day.

A few have brought up Ancelotti coming to us for money. I'm sure he could get better jobs for similar money at other places. Nobody said Jose was going to Spurs for money even though he's reportedly on £4m more a year than Carlo. Do they think Guardiola works for free at Man City? Of course not, he's on £20m a year.
I find them lot refreshing as they have a fairly normal chat and listen to each other, rather than the normal who can shout the loudest and have the most outrageous opinion competition.

One of the most promising aspects for me with that first game, is the hope that we can stop being predictable. Opposition managers have been able to predict our starting lineup and tactics for a long long time. Doesnt need drastic changes, just a few positional tweaks and putting players in different areas of the pitch at different times is enough to keep the opposition guessing.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2019, 11:24:46 AM
Bellends the pair of them. Delusional Newcastle fan, and a posh RS knobhead.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 28, 2019, 10:11:25 PM
I don't particularly rate these guys on their football opinion (though TG has some decent podcasts) and watched this the other day.

A few have brought up Ancelotti coming to us for money. I'm sure he could get better jobs for similar money at other places. Nobody said Jose was going to Spurs for money even though he's reportedly on £4m more a year than Carlo. Do they think Guardiola works for free at Man City? Of course not, he's on £20m a year.

Agreed. He could have easily went to China.

I also find TG comment about Newcastle being on a similar level to be a bit wierd.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on December 28, 2019, 10:56:05 PM
Those subs he made today nearly made me cry, in a good way.

Finally a manager who actually knows how to tactically game manage a game.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Morta75 on December 29, 2019, 06:35:57 PM
He always have a top notc striker in the teams he have managed. I really think he will bring inn one @ Everton also. Maybe not before the summer window, but still think he will bring in quality in that spot.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 29, 2019, 06:51:51 PM
I mean, that's the fucking point for hiring a professional manager, innit?  They'll expect to be paid commensurate to the value of their services.  It's a business, after all.

Me, I'd do it for love (and maybe a 10% pay rise over my soul-sucking attorney job), but I suspect y'all would notice the dip in quality.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on December 29, 2019, 06:54:57 PM
I mean, that's the fucking point for hiring a professional manager, innit?  They'll expect to be paid commensurate to the value of their services.  It's a business, after all.

Me, I'd do it for love (and maybe a 10% pay rise over my soul-sucking attorney job), but I suspect y'all would notice the dip in quality.
Not if you had yankeeblue as your number 1.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 29, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
Not if you had yankeeblue as your number 1.


YankeeBlue could keep everyone motivated, and I would ask Bainesy what he thought I should do.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Polledreng on December 29, 2019, 07:16:12 PM
YankeeBlue could keep everyone motivated, and I would ask Bainesy what he thought I should do.
to good to use Dunc are you??.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 29, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
to good to use Dunc are you??.

Big Dunc would probably be too pissed off at my hiring and quit.  And deciphering between my accent and YankeeBlue's would likely drive him mental if he didn't.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on December 29, 2019, 10:34:29 PM
I mean, that's the fucking point for hiring a professional manager, innit?  They'll expect to be paid commensurate to the value of their services.  It's a business, after all.

Me, I'd do it for love (and maybe a 10% pay rise over my soul-sucking attorney job), but I suspect y'all would notice the dip in quality.

He always have a top notc striker in the teams he have managed. I really think he will bring inn one @ Everton also. Maybe not before the summer window, but still think he will bring in quality in that spot.

If he continues to play DCL & Richarlison up top and they continue to develop you could see them both bagging 15-20 each next season, plus say 10 for Kean.  Not sure we need a top class first choice.

I could see him maybe bringing in an older Mandzukic type instead, someone who can still do the business but won't expect or be able to play week in week out
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: christiffa25 on December 29, 2019, 11:52:28 PM
People massively over rate Moise Keane on here. Just saying
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on December 29, 2019, 11:58:31 PM
People massively over rate Moise Keane on here. Just saying

So presumably you think Carlo Ancelotti does as well, cos he tried to buy him for Napoli, when he signed for us? Knows a fair bit about footie does Carlo. More than you and I, I'd suggest.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 12:28:22 AM
People massively over rate Moise Keane on here. Just saying

Can you tell me how you got into being a Sporting Director? I've been considering that for my next job. What was the interview process like?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2019, 04:06:20 AM
You know what credit where credits due for the win against Newcastle.

Yeah there were times when we were under pressure and rode our luck, but let's not forget we had numerous injuries,  they have a really good home record and also spent dollar in the summer.

There were large periods of the game which we controlled and actually looked like a good team with a plan. It was also a game we d have lost after it went to 1-1 if Silva was still in charge.


Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2019, 04:07:24 AM
How shit is Joelinton by the way?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2019, 04:08:22 AM
How shit is Joelinton by the way?
Terrible . Hiw much was he like 40m ?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2019, 04:12:23 AM
Terrible . Hiw much was he like 40m ?

Around that yeah. Even when Ashley finally opens the wallet they go and blow that on a player like him.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 04:26:57 AM
How shit is Joelinton by the way?

My favorite exchange on Twitter yesterday with a West Ham supporter:

Me: lol Joelinton cost £40m.
Him: yeah well what have you gotten out of guys like Bernard and the other £100m you spend every year to go nowhere?
Me: Bernard was free and has twice as many goals as Joelinton.

End scene. 😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2019, 04:31:51 AM
I like him myself. Doesn't suit Bruce's big wallop game but he could be a bargain pick up if they go down.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on December 30, 2019, 04:59:05 AM
Arteta lost today and West Ham fans are losing their mind. Glad we have Carlo!

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 30, 2019, 05:37:33 AM
How shit is Joelinton by the way?

First time I heard of him was a few weeks back on the radio and assumed he was a young Geordie lad called Joe Lynton.

Title: Carlo's Way
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2019, 05:49:19 AM
I like him myself. Doesn't suit Bruce's big wallop game but he could be a bargain pick up if they go down.

Good player being hung out to dry because he's playing for a shit united side. Was at right wing yesterday running channels 🤦🏼‍♂️

I see him being similar to DCL or Jimenez, in a better side.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on December 30, 2019, 12:41:58 PM
I like him myself. Doesn't suit Bruce's big wallop game but he could be a bargain pick up if they go down.

Agreed. Worked his socks off against us and was pushed out wide to run the channels. Think there's a player there for sure.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on December 30, 2019, 01:39:55 PM
I don't particularly rate these guys on their football opinion (though TG has some decent podcasts) and watched this the other day.

A few have brought up Ancelotti coming to us for money. I'm sure he could get better jobs for similar money at other places. Nobody said Jose was going to Spurs for money even though he's reportedly on £4m more a year than Carlo. Do they think Guardiola works for free at Man City? Of course not, he's on £20m a year.

Wasn't on peanuts where he was. A 20% pay rise to come to us, whilst nice, is by no means extortionate.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2019, 02:40:04 PM
Read somewhere that Carlo isn't in the top 10 highest earners, so we haven't really broke the bank to get him, the media plebs claim otherwise though
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on December 30, 2019, 04:16:52 PM
Those subs he made today nearly made me cry, in a good way.

Finally a manager who actually knows how to tactically game manage a game.
spot on - I'm sure he has has many gameplans in his locker - clever manager carlo
ps
doesn't it feel great to be a blue right now and never felt this optimistic/excited since the 80's......and were only 2 games in under ancelotti COYB
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: van der Meyde on December 30, 2019, 05:07:47 PM
Really not sure I see much difference in the approach to substitutes that Ancelotti has made vs Koeman and Silva, tbh.

Bringing on 3 defensive players in a tight, tough away match is exactly what they did.

Bringing on attacking players late on when level at home, and Davies to see out the win, is also exactly what they did.

There are absolutely differences and improvements in the way we set up. There's been better shape in attack, more control in midfield, and I generally feel we look a lot less vulnerable in the transitions. But the substitutions he's making? They kind of feel the same to me.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 09:05:54 PM
Read somewhere that Carlo isn't in the top 10 highest earners, so we haven't really broke the bank to get him, the media plebs claim otherwise though

If all reasonable accounts are to be believed, he's nowhere near the top 10 (in the 5 majors).
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on December 30, 2019, 09:06:52 PM
Really not sure I see much difference in the approach to substitutes that Ancelotti has made vs Koeman and Silva, tbh.

Bringing on 3 defensive players in a tight, tough away match is exactly what they did.

Bringing on attacking players late on when level at home, and Davies to see out the win, is also exactly what they did.

There are absolutely differences and improvements in the way we set up. There's been better shape in attack, more control in midfield, and I generally feel we look a lot less vulnerable in the transitions. But the substitutions he's making? They kind of feel the same to me.

I agree.


Not at all.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: van der Meyde on December 30, 2019, 10:39:03 PM
I agree.


Not at all.
There's a better shape when the attacking players do come on, at least.

That's a tactical instructions thing rather than a personnel thing though.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2019, 10:42:22 PM
Really not sure I see much difference in the approach to substitutes that Ancelotti has made vs Koeman and Silva, tbh.

Bringing on 3 defensive players in a tight, tough away match is exactly what they did.

Bringing on attacking players late on when level at home, and Davies to see out the win, is also exactly what they did.

There are absolutely differences and improvements in the way we set up. There's been better shape in attack, more control in midfield, and I generally feel we look a lot less vulnerable in the transitions. But the substitutions he's making? They kind of feel the same to me.

I didn’t see silva make defensive subs very often other that throwing a centre half on for the last ten.

In that Newcastle match he would’ve chased the win in a reckless fashion.

His subs very rarely worked in our favour.

There’s nothing genius about what Ancelotti has done so far. Just sensible game management.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2019, 10:49:16 PM
Really not sure I see much difference in the approach to substitutes that Ancelotti has made vs Koeman and Silva, tbh.

Bringing on 3 defensive players in a tight, tough away match is exactly what they did.

Bringing on attacking players late on when level at home, and Davies to see out the win, is also exactly what they did.

There are absolutely differences and improvements in the way we set up. There's been better shape in attack, more control in midfield, and I generally feel we look a lot less vulnerable in the transitions. But the substitutions he's making? They kind of feel the same to me.

He brought on a holding midfielder for a striker, to stem the flow of attacks that Newcastle were generating (which worked), keep the ball better in midfield (which worked), and to give us a better platform to feed the forwards that were still on the pitch (which worked).

Not a prayer Silva would've made that sub.

It's not a piece of unbelievable genius, but it is an astute piece of tactical awareness that had exactly the desired effect.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2019, 11:40:28 PM
Also, the Mina for Baines sub to deal with the aerial bombardment.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2019, 12:49:24 AM
I've been impressed with his subs so far tbh.

No brainless like for likes, no rolling of the dice, has changed games even in subtle ways.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on December 31, 2019, 01:14:58 AM
Not a big fan of going over the top either way about subs to be honest.

If only for the fact that the other team can change things that could negate the sub you’ve just made 2 mins before.

Wouldn’t make it a bad sub but it wouldn’t have any effect either.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2019, 04:24:54 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/1211945596677951488
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on December 31, 2019, 05:09:18 PM
https://twitter.com/GregOK/status/1211945596677951488

Not quite what he said. He said he's at Finch farm nearly 24 hours a day so needs to enjoy a "normal life". Came across as wanting to throw himself all into the club as well as the local culture.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on December 31, 2019, 06:02:57 PM
Not quite what he said. He said he's at Finch farm nearly 24 hours a day so needs to enjoy a "normal life". Came across as wanting to throw himself all into the club as well as the local culture.

My biggest worry about this was it going a bit Koeman.

I'm the big dog around here, I don't need to immerse myself in the club and I'll be on the golf course if anyone needs me.

Couldn't be more wrong. So impressed by his humility and want to do something here.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lazarou on December 31, 2019, 06:10:35 PM
Still can't believe he is our manager  :o

Looking forward to 2020 with Ancelotti in charge.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on December 31, 2019, 06:18:07 PM
My biggest worry about this was it going a bit Koeman.

I'm the big dog around here, I don't need to immerse myself in the club and I'll be on the golf course if anyone needs me.

Couldn't be more wrong. So impressed by his humility and want to do something here.
I think Koeman saw us as a step up the ladder and was always looking for better things without putting the effort in. And it backfired as he’s gone backwards since his sacking. Although he probably has what he looked for. A part time job on big money.

Ancelotti has done it all. There’s nowhere left to go. We remain his biggest challenge now.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on December 31, 2019, 06:24:42 PM
My biggest worry about this was it going a bit Koeman.

I'm the big dog around here, I don't need to immerse myself in the club and I'll be on the golf course if anyone needs me.

Couldn't be more wrong. So impressed by his humility and want to do something here.
I think Koeman saw us as a step up the ladder and was always looking for better things without putting the effort in. And it backfired as he’s gone backwards since his sacking. Although he probably has what he looked for. A part time job on big money.

Ancelotti has done it all. There’s nowhere left to go. We remain his biggest challenge now.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Nicco on December 31, 2019, 10:41:58 PM
I think Koeman saw us as a step up the ladder and was always looking for better things without putting the effort in. And it backfired as he's gone backwards since his sacking. Although he probably has what he looked for. A part time job on big money.

Ancelotti has done it all. There's nowhere left to go. We remain his biggest challenge now.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on January 03, 2020, 05:27:43 PM
I like how he got irritated at the talk of signings because he's just getting to know the players and focused on coaching them

Most of the names mentioned we won't buy anyway. At most I can only see us making one signing.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
But which of PSG's star studded forward line will it be
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: NomadskiEFC on January 03, 2020, 09:39:06 PM
I like how Carlo speaks in its directness and how to the point it is.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on January 04, 2020, 05:57:11 AM
Apologies if posted already

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on January 04, 2020, 06:08:53 AM
Apologies if posted already


Cheers @Shogun (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) , that's a great article/video and shows that there is clear direction at the club, even if we have had to make do with some stop-gaps. Moshiri's ambition is pretty impressive, especially as it seems that other decision makers aren't quite at his level!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 04, 2020, 06:45:43 AM
I watched that vid this morning, crazy that we got Allardyce when we were first interested in Ancelotti.

Made me proud that we’ve got him now.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Polledreng on January 04, 2020, 02:10:55 PM
I think Koeman saw us as a step up the ladder and was always looking for better things without putting the effort in. And it backfired as he’s gone backwards since his sacking. Although he probably has what he looked for. A part time job on big money.

Ancelotti has done it all. There’s nowhere left to go. We remain his biggest challenge now.


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sure Carlo sees this as his job at Paris SG...  I really love the way he seems to have got us - and Duncan all aboard..
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on January 04, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
I watched that vid this morning, crazy that we got Allardyce when we were first interested in Ancelotti.

Made me proud that we've got him now.
Feels like Moshiri has been patient and just tried to make do until he was available. With Carlo in place hopefully we can be more stable and progress further. :-) UTFT!!


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on January 04, 2020, 03:51:36 PM
Apologies if posted already


Really enjoyed the video, but shocked to hear that we'll be paying Silva "until such time as he gets another job in football". Wtf?

Someone help me out here - are we currently still paying all of our ex-managers since Martinez or what?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Makis on January 04, 2020, 04:09:41 PM
Yes. They sign fixed-term contracts just like players. Sometimes clubs and managers agree to terminate the contract for some sum but I think these days that's quite rare and usually it goes like that. But since both Martinez and Koeman got new jobs I don't think we pay them anymore. Not sure about Allardyce.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2020, 04:17:25 PM
Yes. They sign fixed-term contracts just like players. Sometimes clubs and managers agree to terminate the contract for some sum but I think these days that's quite rare and usually it goes like that. But since both Martinez and Koeman got new jobs I don't think we pay them anymore. Not sure about Allardyce.

I think you often pay the difference between what they were due had they remained employed and their new salary.

Eg Koeman took about 50p a week (whatever it was, it was less than his predecessor) in the Holland job so we still ended up forking out the majority of his wage.

Martinez (5 year deal signed 2014), Koeman (3 year deal in 2016) and Allardyce (18 months signed Jan 18) fixed terms all ran out last summer so we’re only paying two managers now :)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Makis on January 04, 2020, 04:25:54 PM
I thought Koeman's deal was longer. Fair enough.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 04, 2020, 04:39:19 PM
I do think he's got us.. I don't think he's ever had people jump on his back when we've scored though. That did make me laugh... The Newcastle game. Welcome to the Everton way boss
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 04, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
Only paying two lolol
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on January 04, 2020, 07:20:17 PM
I do think he's got us.. I don't think he's ever had people jump on his back when we've scored though. That did make me laugh... The Newcastle game. Welcome to the Everton way boss

Haha! I missed that! Who was it? Duncan?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on January 04, 2020, 07:26:36 PM
I think you often pay the difference between what they were due had they remained employed and their new salary.

Eg Koeman took about 50p a week (whatever it was, it was less than his predecessor) in the Holland job so we still ended up forking out the majority of his wage.

Martinez (5 year deal signed 2014), Koeman (3 year deal in 2016) and Allardyce (18 months signed Jan 18) fixed terms all ran out last summer so we're only paying two managers now :)
Does that mean Koeman is only on 50p a week now with Holland.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 04, 2020, 07:49:15 PM
Haha! I missed that! Who was it? Duncan?

No idea. He seemed to come from the dugout and jumped on Carlo's back but only briefly but enough to raise both his eyebrows.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 04, 2020, 07:51:01 PM
Haha! I missed that! Who was it? Duncan?

No, his son, but Duncan was aroond (bit of Glaswegian, there) as well.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: NickNack on January 04, 2020, 10:43:37 PM
I like how he got irritated at the talk of signings because he's just getting to know the players and focused on coaching them

Most of the names mentioned we won't buy anyway. At most I can only see us making one signing.

“We don’t want to defend for 90 minutes” Good man

Just listening to this guy makes me more optimistic about our future than for years..
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on January 05, 2020, 11:56:18 PM
Real step backward for me this game.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: NickNack on January 05, 2020, 11:57:28 PM
I think Carlo might finally be realising what he;s let himself in for taking this job  :Horse:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on January 06, 2020, 12:33:22 AM
This meeting about transfers should be happening now.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on January 06, 2020, 12:56:37 AM
Needs to go back to 4-2-3-1 once Wobes and Bernard come back properly.

Obviously jibbing off Caspar and putting Wobes in the hole with Richarlison and Bernard out wide. Our CM under current options is a write off.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on January 06, 2020, 12:59:11 AM
This meeting about transfers should be happening now.



Pretty abundant from his reactions on the touchline he is far from happy with this team himself so probably good timing for it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on January 06, 2020, 01:04:40 AM
They have to act now.

Get an absolute fucking grock box to box player in the middle of that team.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on January 06, 2020, 01:14:59 AM
Obviously I love the club to bits, and wouldn't ever even dream of any other team, but it's quite hard not to hate the club a little bit at times. Actual hate.

How do we possibly deserve this shite? Can't you give us something to feel remotely good about, occasionally. Really seething with the entire squad at the moment.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Waltzer on January 06, 2020, 01:15:06 AM
If Carlo comes out and says we've got a really good squad again then I'll start to doubt him, all for keeping things positive, but I don't need anymore bs

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on January 06, 2020, 01:20:57 AM
We couldn't pass wind let alone a football for most of that shit show.  The odd ball down the line sure, but anything else was diabolical.

I think Ancelotti got his tactics wrong though, we went with that Sidbe / Coleman fluid formation which would have been fine against a strong Liverpool line up, but there was absolutely no need for both of them in Vs such a weakened team.

There's a crazy amount of work for him to get us in a half decent shape... A lack of players able to pass to each other is a massive problem, but not half as big as the lack of character at the club.  We need an injection of serious quality but it MUST come with serious character too.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 06, 2020, 01:22:36 AM
Obviously I love the club to bits, and wouldn't ever even dream of any other team, but it's quite hard not to hate the club a little bit at times. Actual hate.

How do we possibly deserve this shite? Can't you give us something to feel remotely good about, occasionally. Really seething with the entire squad at the moment.

I'm think I might just forget about Everton for a while.
This result was really bad, I feel well worse than some of the 4 or 5 goal battering we've taken from the shite. Not good
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2020, 01:23:43 AM
We couldn't pass wind let alone a football for most of that shit show.  The odd ball down the line sure, but anything else was diabolical.

I think Ancelotti got his tactics wrong though, we went with that Sidbe / Coleman fluid formation which would have been fine against a strong Liverpool line up, but there was absolutely no need for both of them in Vs such a weakened team.

There's a crazy amount of work for him to get us in a half decent shape... A lack of players able to pass to each other is a massive problem, but not half as big as the lack of character at the club.  We need an injection of serious quality but it MUST come with serious character too.
You can't change your side tho once they announce theirs

He'd of prepared for them to be at full strenhth, if not he's a mug
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 06, 2020, 01:28:43 AM
Obviously I love the club to bits, and wouldn't ever even dream of any other team, but it's quite hard not to hate the club a little bit at times. Actual hate.

How do we possibly deserve this shite? Can't you give us something to feel remotely good about, occasionally. Really seething with the entire squad at the moment.

tbh I smoked a bowl immediately afterward and now I don't really care about anything. It's perfect 8)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 06, 2020, 01:31:35 AM
Went straight to work after be game. What's he said in the post match interview? Excuses or honesty?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on January 06, 2020, 01:33:33 AM
Went straight to work after be game. What's he said in the post match interview? Excuses or honesty?
https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/1213901321708998658
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 06, 2020, 01:55:24 AM
Am I over reacting to be worries that Ancelotti's quiet, father figure style of man management might not work with some of the freeloading shithouses we have on the books?

The top players he's used to might benefit more from an arm round the shoulder. Just hope he has it in him to tear some strips out of the players than need it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dchans on January 06, 2020, 01:57:48 AM
Good - made no excuses, think we will see a different line up come the next game though and those that don’t/can’t react positively will be cut loose
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on January 06, 2020, 02:04:48 AM
Am I over reacting to be worries that Ancelotti's quiet, father figure style of man management might not work with some of the freeloading shithouses we have on the books?

The top players he's used to might benefit more from an arm round the shoulder. Just hope he has it in him to tear some strips out of the players than need it.
I don’t think so. From what I’ve read about him he commands respect. Sounds like he doesn’t need to use the foghorn to get his points across. There are many ways of doing this.

We’re out the cup now, we’ve just played the top two clubs in the country and we now have to set up a firm foundation by playing inferior opposition the next few weeks. I always felt this game was a nuisance.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on January 06, 2020, 02:18:43 AM
You can't change your side tho once they announce theirs

He'd of prepared for them to be at full strenhth, if not he's a mug

No I appreciate that, but he should have probably had a inkling that they'd not field a full strength team... Think he could have been a bit more positive with the lineup.

However the bulk.of the blame absolutely lies with the players, that was a horror show.in the 2nd half
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on January 06, 2020, 02:19:58 AM
Obviously I love the club to bits, and wouldn't ever even dream of any other team, but it's quite hard not to hate the club a little bit at times. Actual hate.

How do we possibly deserve this shite? Can't you give us something to feel remotely good about, occasionally. Really seething with the entire squad at the moment.

If this was a relationship it would be headed for a break up..
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 06, 2020, 02:22:16 AM
I think we missed a trick there. Would have liked to see us go direct and get runners off DCL.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blueski on January 06, 2020, 03:22:33 AM
Am I over reacting to be worries that Ancelotti's quiet, father figure style of man management might not work with some of the freeloading shithouses we have on the books?

The top players he's used to might benefit more from an arm round the shoulder. Just hope he has it in him to tear some strips out of the players than need it.
haha

he's been in football long enough that this won't be the first time he's come across freeloading shithouses
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 06, 2020, 03:26:51 AM
haha

he's been in football long enough that this won't be the first time he's come across freeloading shithouses

Which of Parma, AC Milan, Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern or Napoli had a full squad of them that needed almost a complete overhaul?

I must have missed that one
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blueski on January 06, 2020, 03:38:57 AM
Which of Parma, AC Milan, Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern or Napoli had a full squad of them that needed almost a complete overhaul?

I must have missed that one
I guess what you are saying is he's a soft touch who's had it easy in his managerial career; maybe yes maybe no anyway for me if you think that and want a strong hand, maybe we should have brought in Sean Dyche but I'd rather go with Carlo myself. We're a challenge for anyone at the moment.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on January 06, 2020, 03:55:05 AM
I worry that the job might be too much as there is so much dead wood that needs shipping out it’s gonna take around 3 seasons before we’re looking decent again. It’s just so frustrating at the moment. We have the dough, we now have a world class manager but the amount of shite we’ve got is gonna be hard to shift. Hopefully
Moshiri will listen to what needs to be done by Ancelotti and I think brands needs either binning off or work with Carlo to sort some kind of plan to get the club in the right direction.
Our of all his jobs this will be Ancelotti’s biggest test yet. I do worry that things won’t be easy and Carlo will get frustrated with the board. We’ll see.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on January 06, 2020, 03:57:47 AM
I worry that the job might be too much as there is so much dead wood that needs shipping out it’s gonna take around 3 seasons before we’re looking decent again. It’s just so frustrating at the moment. We have the dough, we now have a world class manager but the amount of shite we’ve got is gonna be hard to shift. Hopefully
Moshiri will listen to what needs to be done by Ancelotti and I think brands needs either binning off or work with Carlo to sort some kind of plan to get the club in the right direction.
Our of all his jobs this will be Ancelotti’s biggest test yet. I do worry that things won’t be easy and Carlo will get frustrated with the board. We’ll see.


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Brands not done anywhere near enough to justify his hero status. Needs to have a couple of good windows.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigdunc9 on January 06, 2020, 04:05:10 AM
Too right. Fed up with with average signings.
Brands not done anywhere near enough to justify his hero status. Needs to have a couple of good windows.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 06, 2020, 04:08:49 AM
Defence:
Mina
Holgate
Digne

Midfield:
Gomes
Gbamin (maybe)
Davies

Attackers:
Bernard
Iwobi
Richarlison
DCL
Kean

Need about 4 or 5 players in defence and midfield before we even start looking at the attackers. Depressing.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blueski on January 06, 2020, 04:13:55 AM
As horrible as today was I genuinely think that 2 good all around midfielders in the middle of the park with an engine a bit of desire and some decent footballing ability would have made 100% difference to the result and the overall quality of play. We had none today.

Right now we have 1 (Gomes) in the club, with a 2nd who is developing (Davies), and a 3rd who is a question mark (Gbamin), that seems fixable.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on January 06, 2020, 04:14:02 AM
I worry that the job might be too much as there is so much dead wood that needs shipping out it's gonna take around 3 seasons before we're looking decent again. It's just so frustrating at the moment. We have the dough, we now have a world class manager but the amount of shite we've got is gonna be hard to shift. Hopefully
Moshiri will listen to what needs to be done by Ancelotti and I think brands needs either binning off or work with Carlo to sort some kind of plan to get the club in the right direction.
Our of all his jobs this will be Ancelotti's biggest test yet. I do worry that things won't be easy and Carlo will get frustrated with the board. We'll see.


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I think there are some real bad apples in there in terms of character that drag others around them down.

The big thing will be clearing out the negative influences along with getting some winners onboard, that will drive those that go with the flow to improve.

Look at Wijnaldum at Liverpool, not exactly known as a workhorse throughout his career but put him in a midfield with Henderson and Milner and suddenly he’s covering crazy distances.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on January 06, 2020, 04:44:33 AM
I think there are some real bad apples in there in terms of character that drag others around them down.

The big thing will be clearing out the negative influences along with getting some winners onboard, that will drive those that go with the flow to improve.

Look at Wijnaldum at Liverpool, not exactly known as a workhorse throughout his career but put him in a midfield with Henderson and Milner and suddenly he's covering crazy distances.
Hate to use them as an example but look at the likes of TAA looks world class but when you’re with the likes of Salah and Mane etc it’s only gonna make you a better player. Can’t argue that Klopp has done wonders there. We’ve not got any players that we can say have a major influence on the rest of the squad. Bunch of nearly men and some journeymen. Again we’ve gone for style over substance. We’re picking the wrong type of player. Hopefully with Ancelotti at the helm, Moshiri won’t be as involved as he will respect what and who  he wants and leaves him to it.
Not saying it’s entirely on Moshiris shoulders but he shoulders some of the blame.



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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on January 06, 2020, 02:49:12 PM
I was confused and concerned why yesterday we seemed to revert to playing it out from tbe back and Pickford and our CBs playing Tiki Taka. What on earth is that about?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Ramjam on January 06, 2020, 02:54:33 PM
I was confused and concerned why yesterday we seemed to revert to playing it out from tbe back and Pickford and our CBs playing Tiki Taka. What on earth is that about?
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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on January 06, 2020, 02:55:56 PM
I was confused and concerned why yesterday we seemed to revert to playing it out from tbe back and Pickford and our CBs playing Tiki Taka. What on earth is that about?

I think the idea was that due to their high press it'd leave spaces in midfield for us to exploit... Let them close down, bypass them and we've overload them allowing more space to attack.

Unfortunately it was horribly executed because non of the team seem to know how to pass a ball accurately under pressure
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on January 06, 2020, 03:13:48 PM
Woke up still fuming with the useless cunts.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Faceatthefence on January 06, 2020, 03:19:13 PM
Woke up still fuming with the useless cunts.
We know the answer but none of these players will get their agents to find them other clubs,sat snuggly on overpaid deals.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 06, 2020, 03:23:45 PM
I was confused and concerned why yesterday we seemed to revert to playing it out from tbe back and Pickford and our CBs playing Tiki Taka. What on earth is that about?

Was wondering the same and then realised that it was Gylfi and Morgan in the middle actively avoiding the ball, giving Pickford, Mina and Holgate little option other than pass between themselves until one of our full backs were free or could try to ping it long to DCL.

That fucking around at the back is 100% down to those two useless shitheels in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on January 06, 2020, 06:10:11 PM
A massive feature of Everton sides is players looking up and seeing absolutely zero movement or willingness to take the ball, and having to go side, back or long.

The idea against a high press is you either bypass the midfield and leng it, or you goad them in and play through using good movement and positioning in the half spaces.

We don't have either of them so we end up lenging it, but only after we've exhausted our options and played it to a fullback who has zero angles on.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on January 06, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
What's the point in Holgate giving Sig the ball only for him to give it straight back. Similarly Morgan.

I'd stick Holgate in Schneiderlin's position and hold my nose and grimace to put Keane back in until we sign either another defender or midfielder to slot in this month.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: formerKHL on January 06, 2020, 07:33:59 PM
I was confused and concerned why yesterday we seemed to revert to playing it out from tbe back and Pickford and our CBs playing Tiki Taka. What on earth is that about?

it wasn't what Carlo wanted he was going mad on the touchline telling them to about it....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on January 06, 2020, 10:13:26 PM
it wasn't what Carlo wanted he was going mad on the touchline telling them to about it....

It was. He just wanted us to do it better and differently, which is why he was shouting.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on January 06, 2020, 10:24:28 PM
Woke up still fuming with the useless cunts.

I barely even slept because of the fume levels.

Proper heavy being a blue like, impossible to live a normal life.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: toshyboy on January 06, 2020, 10:26:59 PM
I barely even slept because of the fume levels.

Proper heavy being a blue like, impossible to live a normal life.

I’m normally quite good at letting the fume go after an hour or 2, but 24 hours on, still so fuckin angry
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on January 06, 2020, 10:34:44 PM
The result is a massive disappointment, but the opportunity in the league over the next 5 games cannot be overstated. We have a real chance to get back in the mix for a top 6 finish if we pick up near to maximum points.

Brighton (H)
West Ham (A)
Newcastle (H)
Watford (A)
Palace (H)

We should win all 3 of the above home games, and aim to stay unbeaten across all 5.

We won't get a better run of games all season, so now is the time to get some form and some serious momentum.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blueski on January 06, 2020, 11:35:36 PM
Was wondering the same and then realised that it was Gylfi and Morgan in the middle actively avoiding the ball, giving Pickford, Mina and Holgate little option other than pass between themselves until one of our full backs were free or could try to ping it long to DCL.

That fucking around at the back is 100% down to those two useless shitheels in the middle of the park.
it was even worse than that because those 2 also didn't move forward to try to win the flick ons and 2nd balls coming off the long balls to DCL as well
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on January 07, 2020, 12:56:11 AM
I barely even slept because of the fume levels.

Proper heavy being a blue like, impossible to live a normal life.
I woke up 3 times last night thinking about it.

Don't think a performance has ever had me so angry that it's acted as an alarm clock - must be Sigurdsson driving me cuckoo.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on January 07, 2020, 01:12:44 AM
The result is a massive disappointment, but the opportunity in the league over the next 5 games cannot be overstated. We have a real chance to get back in the mix for a top 6 finish if we pick up near to maximum points.

Brighton (H)
West Ham (A)
Newcastle (H)
Watford (A)
Palace (H)

We should win all 3 of the above home games, and aim to stay unbeaten across all 5.

We won't get a better run of games all season, so now is the time to get some form and some serious momentum.

The two away games are against teams with new managers, with Watford on a good run now. Both games be a lot tougher now than a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bluenuck on January 07, 2020, 01:13:27 AM
The result is a massive disappointment, but the opportunity in the league over the next 5 games cannot be overstated. We have a real chance to get back in the mix for a top 6 finish if we pick up near to maximum points.

Brighton (H)
West Ham (A)
Newcastle (H)
Watford (A)
Palace (H)

We should win all 3 of the above home games, and aim to stay unbeaten across all 5.

We won't get a better run of games all season, so now is the time to get some form and some serious momentum.

I refuse to do this. I did it at the start of the season picturing us in the top 5.

Game to game we are so fucking inconsistent that I have zero clue what team will show up. We could win all 5 of those just as easily as losing all 5.

Painful following this team.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 07, 2020, 02:24:59 AM
Ain’t no way we are getting away with playing only two CM’s out of the options we have fit, especially if one of the two is either Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson, let alone both. That was the worst CM pairing I’ve seen at Everton; We’ve had far less talented duo’s before, but none have had that combination of shithouse hiding, negativity, and slackness.

When Iwobi is back we would benefit from a 4-2-2-2 with Bernard and Iwobi behind the two forwards, or a 4-3-3, with Iwobi in the midfield 3, not on the wing.

We’ll see if he really is tactically flexible, because I think he needs to be with the personnel we currently have.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 07, 2020, 03:21:55 AM
Ain’t no way we are getting away with playing only two CM’s out of the options we have fit, especially if one of the two is either Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson, let alone both. That was the worst CM pairing I’ve seen at Everton; We’ve had far less talented duo’s before, but none have had that combination of shithouse hiding, negativity, and slackness.

When Iwobi is back we would benefit from a 4-2-2-2 with Bernard and Iwobi behind the two forwards, or a 4-3-3, with Iwobi in the midfield 3, not on the wing.

We’ll see if he really is tactically flexible, because I think he needs to be with the personnel we currently have.

To be fair, he's deployed at minimum 3 different formations already (442, 343, 352), and maybe a 4th (541), all in 4 games over 14 days. He can really only be as flexible as the available lot of players allows him to be. That's like, 15 people right now?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 07, 2020, 03:37:00 AM
To be fair, he's deployed at minimum 3 different formations already (442, 343, 352), and maybe a 4th (541), all in 4 games over 14 days. He can really only be as flexible as the available lot of players allows him to be. That's like, 15 people right now?

I appreciate that, however, that’s why I suggested the two formations and personnel inclusions that I did, because I think they would serve us well & he hasn’t tried them, yet.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 07, 2020, 03:51:58 AM
I appreciate that, however, that’s why I suggested the two formations and personnel inclusions that I did, because I think they would serve us well & he hasn’t tried them, yet.

He definitely deployed an attacking 4222 at Napoli, but we don't have their midfield even with Iwobi & Bernard in there IMO.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 07, 2020, 04:05:08 AM
He definitely deployed an attacking 4222 at Napoli, but we don't have their midfield even with Iwobi & Bernard in there IMO.

Well, Gbamin might be back before seasons end, and him and Davies would potentially suit as a pair of sitters.
(I said sitters)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 08, 2020, 05:22:43 AM
This is incredible lolol

https://twitter.com/jamochandler4/status/1214244930283024384?s=20
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 10, 2020, 08:45:59 PM
I loved how he said during his presser today that fans coming to the training ground is "normal in Italy." 😂

He did also say "he'd go talk to [supporters] at any time," that he "had no problem with that." That would be excellent if he did.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on January 11, 2020, 01:19:00 AM
I loved how he said during his presser today that fans coming to the training ground is "normal in Italy."

He did also say "he'd go talk to [supporters] at any time," that he "had no problem with that." That would be excellent if he did.
Good thing is that he probably feels exactly like we do. But at least he can give them a good bollocking. Maybe that’s been the problem, think about it. Can you really have seen Martinez or Silva getting a grip of the players, they’d  have gone nicely nicely with them and not got anywhere with them. Don’t get me wrong they’re both far from blameless but it does make you think. Same with Koeman but I think it was the other way. He was too authoritative and the players didn’t like it so downed tools. All speculation but it’s easy to make some sort of connection with it. I’m beginning to wonder if Martinez Koeman and Silva have been let down by the players more than their tactics or man management.
I kinda feel for the three of them tbh as maybe they’re just a rotten core who don’t give a shit.
I mean Martinez and Silva, what kind of pedigree have they got in a playing or managerial capacity to command respect off the players? Although Koeman didn’t help himself, he should have been able to command respect off the players with his stature in the game, maybe not his managerial experience but his playing career doesn’t even need to be addressed.
I honestly think if we’d have weeded out some of the rotten core then maybe we’d have had a little more success. Ancelotti has done it all as a player AND a manager so he’s the most high profile person at the club. His record speaks for itself and if players aren’t responding to how things should be then they should fuck off out the door and go and steal a living somewhere else. This club is trying to build something special and if you can’t be arsed to do your job, and see that we’ve got an opportunity to become great again, and hopefully compete with the top teams in the league then don’t let the door hit you on the way out, fucking oxygen thieves.



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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2020, 02:48:12 AM
Everton manager Ancelotti has now registered a victory against 22 of the 23 teams that he has faced in the Premier League, only failing to beat his current side Everton in the competition.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on January 12, 2020, 03:08:45 AM
Everton manager Ancelotti has now registered a victory against 22 of the 23 teams that he has faced in the Premier League, only failing to beat his current side Everton in the competition.

Good job we haven't got an away match against Moyes coming up then
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 12, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Joint second now with Watford in the form table over the last 7 games.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 12, 2020, 10:03:22 PM
Here, this made me cry this morning.

0-0 at Palace
2-0 at Villa
3-1 at Bournemouth
0-2 vs Sheffield
1-0 at Burnley
3-2 at Brighton
0-2 vs Norwich

ONE point of a possible 21 in those 7 matches. How many of the other 20 did we realistically drop? At least 9 (Sheffield, Norwich, Brighton), probably 12 (Villa) IMO.

We'd have 37-40 pts right now and be fighting for 4th. Thanks, Silva. 😭
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on January 12, 2020, 10:09:54 PM
Sheffield United ;)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on January 12, 2020, 10:14:48 PM
Sheffield United ;)

1000% this. I enjoy your posts YB and can get over most of the American'isms but you can't just call them Sheffield. It's not ok 😉
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 12, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
Sheffield United ;)

And we only lost 2-1 at Manchester, after tying at Manchester a few weeks before.

Of course, the defeat at home to Sheffield, was followed by a win at Sheffield three days later.

Awesome.

Nam.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on January 12, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
The positive is that had we got a substantial points return from that list we’d still have Silva.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 12, 2020, 10:36:41 PM
We finally avenged our VAR heartbreak with a 1-0 win against Hove Albion yesterday.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on January 12, 2020, 10:42:39 PM
Here, this made me cry this morning.

0-0 at Palace
2-0 at Villa
3-1 at Bournemouth
0-2 vs Sheffield
1-0 at Burnley
3-2 at Brighton
0-2 vs Norwich

ONE point of a possible 21 in those 7 matches. How many of the other 20 did we realistically drop? At least 9 (Sheffield, Norwich, Brighton), probably 12 (Villa) IMO.

We'd have 37-40 pts right now and be fighting for 4th. Thanks, Silva. 😭
He was proper shit....literally wrote off our season
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on January 12, 2020, 10:45:13 PM
Noticing a lot more 4-4-2s popping up all over the football world again. Always remember Wenger saying it was the most balanced, most effective, most efficient formation of players on a football pitch (in his view).
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 12, 2020, 11:01:14 PM
Sheffield United ;)

Yeah yeah I know. Should've just used SHU if I was going to be lazy.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 13, 2020, 12:01:38 AM
Noticing a lot more 4-4-2s popping up all over the football world again. Always remember Wenger saying it was the most balanced, most effective, most efficient formation of players on a football pitch (in his view).

I like the fact that ours has a more inside right and inside left look to it, a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 13, 2020, 12:03:56 AM
We finally avenged our VAR heartbreak with a 1-0 win against Hove Albion yesterday.

I live in a place that borders Hove, and is 4 miles from Brighton, and yet I’m officially considered to be in Brighton rather than Hove. I’ve never understood it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 13, 2020, 01:40:40 AM
I live in a place that borders Hove, and is 4 miles from Brighton, and yet I'm officially considered to be in Brighton rather than Hove. I've never understood it.
So what's the footy team all about? A coalition?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 13, 2020, 04:02:58 AM
So what's the footy team all about? A coalition?

They've always incorporated both, since they were formed in a pub.

Interestingly, the two neighbouring towns have always been one football club, however they only became a unitary authority in 1997, ahead of the Queen granting city status as part of the millennium celebrations.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alanvideo on January 13, 2020, 04:23:59 AM
Yeah yeah I know. Should've just used SHU if I was going to be lazy.
..............there is though a team called Sheffield , the oldest existing football team in the world . Sheffield F.C. to be correct . They don't play in Sheffield any more ,for reasons unknown to me they play in Dronfield ,Derbyshire.  8)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 13, 2020, 04:33:22 AM
..............there is though a team called Sheffield , the oldest existing football team in the world . Sheffield F.C. to be correct . They don't play in Sheffield any more ,for reasons unknown to me they play in Dronfield ,Derbyshire.  8)

I did not know that.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alanvideo on January 18, 2020, 02:37:25 PM
Nice to hear Carlo is looking at property in Formby area ,likes to be near the beach. Unlike most players who prefer to live in Cheshire.
Currently at the Titanic according to the Echo. Quite good digs I believe !
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on January 18, 2020, 03:47:24 PM
Nice to hear Carlo is looking at property in Formby area ,likes to be near the beach. Unlike most players who prefer to live in Cheshire.
Currently at the Titanic according to the Echo. Quite good digs I believe !

Yes something I’ve noticed in that most of their players still seem to live either formby way, or Allerton/ Woolton etc. in the south end.

Maybe it’s easier if your winning more or whether it’s something they’ve pushed.

Location of training ground might also have played a part.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on January 18, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
Richarlison is in Formby isn't he.

Anthony Evans I've seen in the Formby tesco, stubbsy, big nose phile Thompson also.

Emre Can when he was at Liverpool looking moody with some Turkish lids.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueForYou on January 19, 2020, 10:54:29 PM
Napoli want Carlo back!

Surely not?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on January 19, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Seen Seamus bombing around tesco halewood once. Think a few are down here.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: mikey_blue on January 20, 2020, 12:22:04 AM
Richarlison is in Formby isn't he.

Anthony Evans I've seen in the Formby tesco, stubbsy, big nose phile Thompson also.

Emre Can when he was at Liverpool looking moody with some Turkish lids.


Richy is in Crosby.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gray on January 20, 2020, 02:09:37 AM
Have never understood why they sacked him. After the latest results of new manager Gattuso they know that Ancelotti was a fantastic manager.....
Napoli want Carlo back!

Surely not?
But now he is our Manager. And I am sure that he will be able to solve our issues we have (since several seasons)

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lazarou on January 22, 2020, 12:04:45 PM
Still cannot understand all those subs, maybe the first one with a change in shape but after that with a 10 day break what was the need?

The Niasse one is just a piss take surely? How is this guy back in the squad.

Changes for the sake of changes.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 22, 2020, 01:31:56 PM
I’m honestly sick of the sight of Niasse.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on January 22, 2020, 01:33:50 PM
Still cannot understand all those subs, maybe the first one with a change in shape but after that with a 10 day break what was the need?

The Niasse one is just a piss take surely? How is this guy back in the squad.

Changes for the sake of changes.

I wondered if there was some sort of sentimental angle, like we've got a move for him so Ancelotti threw him on for a bit so he could have a farewell to the fans?

I hope that's not the case as that's fucking stupid, but it's all I could come up with.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2020, 04:04:48 PM
Disregarding the final 20 minutes I thought last night was excellent.

The focus on passing quicker and less conservatively was evident, the wingers tucking inside seems to suit Bernard and Walcott and clearly Kean getting off the mark will help massively.

We're clearly moving in the right direction and with the three midfielders coming back and Richarlison it doesn't look too bad for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on January 22, 2020, 05:03:56 PM
Still struggle to move the ball through the lines. But I agree, much improved on the ball.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on January 22, 2020, 05:08:12 PM
Disregarding the final 20 minutes I thought last night was excellent.

The focus on passing quicker and less conservatively was evident, the wingers tucking inside seems to suit Bernard and Walcott and clearly Kean getting off the mark will help massively.

We're clearly moving in the right direction and with the three midfielders coming back and Richarlison it doesn't look too bad for the rest of the season.

That’s right and despite the frustration of giving away two points last night it really was irrelevant, Carlo doesn’t need nor want Europa league qualification starting in June or July, he want a good clear out and re build during pre season, not Thursday overnight trips to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
That’s right and despite the frustration of giving away two points last night it really was irrelevant, Carlo doesn’t need nor want Europa league qualification starting in June or July, he want a good clear out and re build during pre season, not Thursday overnight trips to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.

If Carlo got offered the chance to play in the Europa League, he'd take it. 100%.

He's not come here to play Scunthorpe away in the League Cup. He's here to take Everton to the likes of Napoli and Milan away in as quick a time as possible, regardless of whether we have to start that journey in Kazakhstan.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on January 22, 2020, 05:30:09 PM
If Carlo got offered the chance to play in the Europa League, he'd take it. 100%.

He's not come here to play Scunthorpe away in the League Cup. He's here to take Everton to the likes of Napoli and Milan away in as quick a time as possible, regardless of whether we have to start that journey in Kazakhstan.

Well, given that neither of us actually know what Carlo would want I’ll stick to my theory and you to yours.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on January 22, 2020, 05:33:50 PM
Little perplexed at his reaction to us folding. It happens isn’t really the sound of someone demanding the best out of his players.

Although perhaps it’s because he knows none of them are really capable of being the best and will be clearing them out over the next couple of years.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on January 22, 2020, 05:36:28 PM
Little perplexed at his reaction to us folding. It happens isn’t really the sound of someone demanding the best out of his players.

Although perhaps it’s because he knows none of them are really capable of being the best and will be clearing them out over the next couple of years.


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Yeah my view was he knows it's early days and the big picture is we battered them.

Some major issues that youd hope he backs himself to fix, but I doubt he's even been able to work on tactics much yet.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on January 22, 2020, 05:41:52 PM
Little perplexed at his reaction to us folding. It happens isn’t really the sound of someone demanding the best out of his players.

Although perhaps it’s because he knows none of them are really capable of being the best and will be clearing them out over the next couple of years.


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He was as shocked as the rest of us.

He'd gone from wondering about what bottle of claret to open after a pretty routine win to wondering what the fuck just happened a minute later.

He knows the job at hand, the result won't make a difference.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 22, 2020, 05:49:36 PM
Despite the derby and those 94th and 95th minutes, I've definitely seen signs we're going in the right direction, even with a team of clowns and a load of injuries.

Gutted for last night but happy overall with Carlo
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 22, 2020, 05:54:18 PM
This is a good summary


https://www.football365.com/news/everton-tactics-ancelotti-possession-pickford
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on January 22, 2020, 06:01:19 PM
He was as shocked as the rest of us.

He'd gone from wondering about what bottle of claret to open after a pretty routine win to wondering what the fuck just happened a minute later.

He knows the job at hand, the result won't make a difference.
He should have let Dunc off the leash and bollocked them. It’s really unacceptable. Kind of dented my trust in him a bit. Not that that makes any difference.




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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on January 22, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
He should have let Dunc off the leash and bollocked them. It’s really unacceptable. Kind of dented my trust in him a bit. Not that that makes any difference.




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The goals will get discussed as they should do.

A manager can’t afford to be woe is me, or irrationally angry.

He has to get more of those performances from them so can’t ignore the rest of the game.

Even with our uselessness, this doesn’t actually happen very often. Can only think of the one we did vs Utd (a season they ended up being champions) and this one in any of our games over last 30 years.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blueToffee on January 22, 2020, 06:38:38 PM
The goals will get discussed as they should do.

A manager can’t afford to be woe is me, or irrationally angry.

He has to get more of those performances from them so can’t ignore the rest of the game.

Even with our uselessness, this doesn’t actually happen very often. Can only think of the one we did vs Utd (a season they ended up being champions) and this one in any of our games over last 30 years.

I had flashbacks to Oldham in 93 I think it was when I was a kid. No quite as bad though, both goals we conceded were in the mid/late 80s in terms of minutes but we also seemed in control as I remember until that point. Think it was that game anyhow, definitely remember something like that against Oldham.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on January 22, 2020, 06:44:19 PM
The goals will get discussed as they should do.

A manager can't afford to be woe is me, or irrationally angry.

He has to get more of those performances from them so can't ignore the rest of the game.

Even with our uselessness, this doesn't actually happen very often. Can only think of the one we did vs Utd (a season they ended up being champions) and this one in any of our games over last 30 years.
Don’t think it’s irrational. When I do something wrong I get bollocked and then discuss what went wrong and rectify it for next time. It’s perfectly normal. “It happens” seems very defeatist to me. Kind of thing Silva would say.

But we move on. We know this current squad isn’t good enough so.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alanvideo on January 22, 2020, 07:00:31 PM
He should have let Dunc off the leash and bollocked them. It’s really unacceptable. Kind of dented my trust in him a bit. Not that that makes any difference.




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...............what he said in public will be entirely different to what he tells the players behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on January 22, 2020, 07:03:02 PM
Don’t think it’s irrational. When I do something wrong I get bollocked and then discuss what went wrong and rectify it for next time. It’s perfectly normal. “It happens” seems very defeatist to me. Kind of thing Silva would say.

But we move on. We know this current squad isn’t good enough so.


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IMO his comment was simply one made without the true context of the club's history.

He's managed over 1,000 games all over the continent, for 3+ decades, in every major European flight. There's no one better qualified to say "shit happens," because he's actually seen virtually everything there is to see in the game of football.

What he couldn't possibly know is how it's one thing after another for EFC. Finding new ways to lose (or in this case, draw) isn't something you learn from studying a season's worth of games. It certainly wasn't a section of Brands PowerPoint during the "come work for us" presentation.

So when he says something like this, I'm sure he believed it to be an innocuous comment, made to try to remind people his team played 93' of excellent footbal before 2 minutes of implosion. He couldn't have known how it would be taken, and analyzed to death by our suicidal-at-the-flick-of-a-switch fanbase. He's not only learning the on-the-pitch stuff.
Title: Re: Carlo's Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 22, 2020, 09:11:16 PM
Theres only so many gut punches the players can take, along with a bollocking after it, then bounce back for the next game with confidence.

The really frustrating thing for the fans is that they looked confident for the majority of the game and it showed because we played some really good stuff (for their standard).

They put the graft in for 93 minutes and just lost the plot at the end. It's a learning curve, they will probably respond better with a word of wisdom rather than another kick from the coaching staff as well.

Especially our younger players like Holgate etc.

I think they already know who they're gonna keep and work on, and who they're gonna phase out. As disappointing as it was, we just have to take it on the chin and focus on the positives to move forward.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: cantoffee on January 22, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
Theres only so many gut punches the players can take, along with a bollocking after it, then bounce back for the next game with confidence.

The really frustrating thing for the fans is that they looked confident for the majority of the game and it showed because we played some really good stuff (for their standard).

They put the graft in for 93 minutes and just lost the plot at the end. It's a learning curve, they will probably respond better with a word of wisdom rather than another kick from the coaching staff as well.

Especially our younger players like Holgate etc.
I tend to agree.

Also, Ancelotti isn't the type to yell and scream, well known that he's an arm round the shoulder, build up the confidence type of manager who is strong at managing different and strong personalities.

I think they'll review what happened to see how to prevent it in the future but I think his message will be that we played well for 92 minutes and you could see the confidence at times was flowing and the players were linking up really well.

It's a real gut punch and honestly devastating given the opportunity to step up in the table. But Ancelotti will take the long view and focus the players on how well the game plan worked by moving the ball forward quickly and how many chances we created as a result. I think the players will bounce back from this one and Ancelotti has another 10 days to work with them before the next match.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alanvideo on January 23, 2020, 02:44:02 PM
Last 5 PL games of the 3 teams who changed managers recently -
Spurs     DLLDW   5pts
Arsenal   LWDDD  6pts
Everton  WLWDD  8 pts
Given that many fans wanted Mourinho or Arteta , Carlo has done well. 
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 24, 2020, 10:38:44 PM
Gbamin and Gomes actually seem a very good fit for Ancelotti's 442.

Admittedly I've seen very little of Gbamin and I'm only basing this on stalking his highlight reels and reading articles on him, but by all accounts he is comfortable on the ball and a very good DCM who can also go box to box.

Hopefully they arent ruined.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 24, 2020, 11:38:17 PM
duno where to post. Night game <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everton v Liverpool moved to Monday, March 16 8pm kick-off</p>&mdash; Phil Kirkbride (@philkecho) January 24, 2020 (https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1220723078612779009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on January 24, 2020, 11:38:18 PM
Gbamin and Gomes actually seem a very good fit for Ancelotti's 442.

Admittedly I've seen very little of Gbamin and I'm only basing this on stalking his highlight reels and reading articles on him, but by all accounts he is comfortable on the ball and a very good DCM who can also go box to box.

Hopefully they arent ruined.

That last line is the huge concern, if you look at our current squad minis those two we don't actually have a single player we could rely on to play week in week out in a 4-4-2.

I think we need to bring in players to compete with them or be the main option if they don't come back right, because otherwise we'll be seriously short again in there.

*Not necessarily in this window, but certainly in the summer
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 25, 2020, 02:33:31 AM
duno where to post. Night game <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everton v Liverpool moved to Monday, March 16 8pm kick-off</p>&mdash; Phil Kirkbride (@philkecho) January 24, 2020 (https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1220723078612779009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As if Mondays aren’t depressing enough.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on January 25, 2020, 02:37:15 AM
They're 100% winning the league at our place lads.

The last 5 years have lead to this point. It's our final humiliation and one that we can never recover unless the curse is lifted.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueForYou on January 25, 2020, 04:42:40 AM
Carlo's revenge: their first league defeat of the season; our first derby win in ten years; and we climb to fifth position

Curse lifted
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on January 25, 2020, 05:17:27 AM
Carlo's revenge: their first league defeat of the season; our first derby win in ten years; and we climb to fifth position

Curse lifted

Also if Andy Robersons face could melt off like the Nazis in Indiana Jones that would be ideal.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 25, 2020, 05:20:33 AM
Also if Andy Robersons face could melt off like the Nazis in Indiana Jones that would be ideal.

Do you remember him being a massive walker at Hull? I might be biased but I really don’t remember thinking he was a massive wanker.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 25, 2020, 05:26:56 AM
Do you remember him being a massive walker at Hull? I might be biased but I really don’t remember thinking he was a massive wanker.

They do a Clockwork Orange Ludvig Van/Anfield Rap personality change brainwash thing as soon as they get there, then they give them massive white veneers, and finally inject them with steroids, all within the first week of arrival.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Polledreng on January 25, 2020, 01:44:50 PM
Theres only so many gut punches the players can take, along with a bollocking after it, then bounce back for the next game with confidence.

The really frustrating thing for the fans is that they looked confident for the majority of the game and it showed because we played some really good stuff (for their standard).

They put the graft in for 93 minutes and just lost the plot at the end. It's a learning curve, they will probably respond better with a word of wisdom rather than another kick from the coaching staff as well.

Especially our younger players like Holgate etc.

I think they already know who they're gonna keep and work on, and who they're gonna phase out. As disappointing as it was, we just have to take it on the chin and focus on the positives to move forward.
not only for their standard Think we played very well and entertaining
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 26, 2020, 08:38:08 PM
PL this season with Silva:
P15 W4 D2 L9

PL since Silva went:
P9 W4 D4 L1

Silva really was a sack of shit. We would have gone down with him, the way the rest of the league is performing.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blueski on January 26, 2020, 10:45:13 PM
Also if Andy Robersons face could melt off like the Nazis in Indiana Jones that would be ideal.
Laughing so much at this i had to reply thanks @brap2!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on January 27, 2020, 12:14:41 AM
PL this season with Silva:
P15 W4 D2 L9

PL since Silva went:
P9 W4 D4 L1

Silva really was a sack of shit. We would have gone down with him, the way the rest of the league is performing.

Yeah, I really think we were dead men walking with him in charge.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on February 02, 2020, 04:51:22 AM
More points for Carlo and he showed how well he finds a way despite injuries

Silva would have taken 2 months to get a win after the Newcastle debacle but good managers make it happen regardless.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cuttyblue on February 02, 2020, 07:09:57 AM
We had good possession and, dare I say it, got into plenty of attacking positions. Manager's job that.  Ancelotti's getting the best out of this limited group of mid-table players. He can't stop Delph and Walcott from being awful because there's no one else to select at the moment. 
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on February 02, 2020, 09:34:44 AM
The best managers are lucky managers, he’s the complete opposite to Silva.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on February 02, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
Still have to pinch myself that while Man U persevere with OGS, Arsenal gambled on Arteta, West Ham took Moyes, we have Carlo fucking Ancelotti!!!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on February 02, 2020, 03:57:33 PM
Still have to pinch myself that while Man U persevere with OGS, Arsenal gambled on Arteta, West Ham took Moyes, we have Carlo fucking Ancelotti!!!
isn't it fucking great - we have the BEST manager by far

recent criticism of everton by merse and Charlie Nicholas on soccer Saturday might be slightly tainted by this fact - a little techy and uptight attitude to the blues now -
when in the past they have both given good fair constructive criticism - they were always spot on........ not now tho

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2020, 02:12:51 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/07/carlo-ancelotti-everton-managerial-methods
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on February 08, 2020, 02:49:46 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/07/carlo-ancelotti-everton-managerial-methods
Good read that.

It's so nice to read an interview where the manager just exudes confidence, calm and quality.

You can tell that this passes down to the players and he throws out the message 'we ve got this'.

Totally different gravy to Silva who we never felt comfortable with and it's no coincidence bes getting much better results with exactly the same set of players.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Polledreng on February 08, 2020, 03:55:43 PM
isn't it fucking great - we have the BEST manager by far

recent criticism of everton by merse and Charlie Nicholas on soccer Saturday might be slightly tainted by this fact - a little techy and uptight attitude to the blues now -
when in the past they have both given good fair constructive criticism - they were always spot on........ not now tho


  serious ... can't remember any of them saying anything remotely  true - not now - not in the past - think the only purpose for hiring  them is to let the biased reds pundits seem OK
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Fynci on February 08, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
It’s still early days, but regardless, he’s the best manager we have had in a very very long time. I hope he’s around for a while!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on February 08, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
It’s still early days, but regardless, he’s the best manager we have had in a very very long time. I hope he’s around for a while!

I think unless he leaves on his own accord then he won't be leaving. The players were still getting a bit of stick under Silva but if things start going wrong under Carlo then i can't see him taking the flack for it.

Hopefully that situation doesn't happen, obviously!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on February 08, 2020, 06:14:22 PM
I think unless he leaves on his own accord then he won't be leaving. The players were still getting a bit of stick under Silva but if things start going wrong under Carlo then i can't see him taking the flack for it.

Hopefully that situation doesn't happen, obviously!

Which is what we have been crying out for.

We have hounded every manager since Moyes at the smell of a bad run and it’s snowballed from there.

Now we have a manager who will be given time to work through any poor spell which should hopefully bear fruit.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on February 08, 2020, 06:56:56 PM
Tell you what, we seem to get so many more men in the box on attacks under Carlo.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on February 08, 2020, 09:37:34 PM
Rotation of players going well.

I think reading of the game is very good too.

Genuinely seems affable which is good for image etc.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on February 08, 2020, 10:27:42 PM
The team showed their collective mental weakness when CP scored, looked like we'd collapse... But we didn't, and that to me speaks volumes of Ancelotti, under Silva we go on to lose that match!

It'll take time to move the mentally weak players on, but gives me great hope for the future under this guy!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on February 08, 2020, 10:37:52 PM
Loved this interview

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1226098686419230720
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: cantoffee on February 08, 2020, 10:54:50 PM
Think he had the right response to the Newcastle debacle.

Players confidence doesn't seem to have taken much of a hit but they do seem to be much more aware of game management towards the end of the last two matches when we've had the lead.

Think the typical response to that game would have been to berate the players but I think he's let them have that one and told them that they are better than what they showed and kept confidence levels high.

Think we are seeing many players with more and more self belief since he's come in which is what he has been known to do.

Not much time to change tactics so be interesting to see if that changes over the next few games as we play some tough away matches but we are second in the form table over the last two months which is really saying something given how shit we were before.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on February 08, 2020, 11:05:18 PM
Think he had the right response to the Newcastle debacle.

Players confidence doesn't seem to have taken much of a hit but they do seem to be much more aware of game management towards the end of the last two matches when we've had the lead.

Think the typical response to that game would have been to berate the players but I think he's let them have that one and told them that they are better than what they showed and kept confidence levels high.

Think we are seeing many players with more and more self belief since he's come in which is what he has been known to do.

Not much time to change tactics so be interesting to see if that changes over the next few games as we play some tough away matches but we are second in the form table over the last two months which is really saying something given how shit we were before.

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Also the calmness and perspective he showed after the Newcastle thing. We were all livid (rightly) and massively emotional, and you'd assume the players were pretty devastated, but he just went 'don't worry about it too much lads, I've had some crazy shit happen to me, deal with it better next time and we'll be alright'. Just a bit of calmness and perspective to take a lot of the sting out of things.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Sixx1402 on February 08, 2020, 11:17:40 PM
Also the calmness and perspective he showed after the Newcastle thing. We were all livid (rightly) and massively emotional, and you'd assume the players were pretty devastated, but he just went 'don't worry about it too much lads, I've had some crazy shit happen to me, deal with it better next time and we'll be alright'. Just a bit of calmness and perspective to take a lot of the sting out of things.

Yeah his calmness and confidence is a massive factor with him.

I've watched a few interviews with him now and he makes me feel so much better and calmer about being an Evertonian every time i watch him, he clearly knows what he's doing

He's got me totally convinced and i'm believing again. I think he's a godsend
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 08, 2020, 11:33:03 PM
Think he had the right response to the Newcastle debacle.

Players confidence doesn't seem to have taken much of a hit but they do seem to be much more aware of game management towards the end of the last two matches when we've had the lead.

Think the typical response to that game would have been to berate the players but I think he's let them have that one and told them that they are better than what they showed and kept confidence levels high.

Think we are seeing many players with more and more self belief since he's come in which is what he has been known to do.

Not much time to change tactics so be interesting to see if that changes over the next few games as we play some tough away matches but we are second in the form table over the last two months which is really saying something given how shit we were before.

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Also the calmness and perspective he showed after the Newcastle thing. We were all livid (rightly) and massively emotional, and you'd assume the players were pretty devastated, but he just went 'don't worry about it too much lads, I've had some crazy shit happen to me, deal with it better next time and we'll be alright'. Just a bit of calmness and perspective to take a lot of the sting out of things.
Yeah his calmness and confidence is a massive factor with him.

I've watched a few interviews with him now and he makes me feel so much better and calmer about being an Evertonian every time i watch him, he clearly knows what he's doing

He's got me totally convinced and i'm believing again. I think he's a godsend

Yes

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on February 08, 2020, 11:45:17 PM
Tell you the truth he’s absolutely reinvigorated my love for this club, which was waning after five years of chaos and disappointment.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 08, 2020, 11:46:03 PM
Tell you the truth he’s absolutely reinvigorated my love for this club, which was waning after five years of chaos and disappointment.

That's awesome, man. Glad he's been able to do that for you! :cheers:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueForYou on February 09, 2020, 12:36:12 AM
A throwback and born again Evertonian

What he's doing for us is similar to what Shankly did for Liverpool - a love for the club, the city and the people

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 09, 2020, 12:40:59 AM
A throwback and born again Evertonian

What he's doing for us is similar to what Shankly did for Liverpool - a love for the club, the city and the people
Leave the Shankly nonsense out will ya.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 09, 2020, 12:42:04 AM
A throwback and born again Evertonian

What he's doing for us is similar to what Shankly did for Liverpool - a love for the club, the city and the people




Bell end
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueForYou on February 09, 2020, 02:02:40 AM
Shankly nonsense?

Bell end?

After he retired it was the Evertonians who had time for him and he regularly visited Bellefield as the Everton players always made him welcome. So much so, that Shankly declared himself available for a return to management when Bingham was sacked.

If you know your history - that is...........but there are some nonsensical bell ends on here that clearly don't!

Call y'selves Evertonians? Not Audrey Horne, that's for sure. Clueless, more like!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 09, 2020, 02:30:57 AM
Shankly nonsense?

Bell end?

After he retired it was the Evertonians who had time for him and he regularly visited Bellefield as the Everton players always made him welcome. So much so, that Shankly declared himself available for a return to management when Bingham was sacked.

If you know your history - that is...........but there are some nonsensical bell ends on here that clearly don't!

Call y'selves Evertonians? Not Audrey Horne, that's for sure. Clueless, more like!
Yeah but, needless kopite reference innit. If you know your audience....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 09, 2020, 02:31:47 AM
Shankly nonsense?

Bell end?

After he retired it was the Evertonians who had time for him and he regularly visited Bellefield as the Everton players always made him welcome. So much so, that Shankly declared himself available for a return to management when Bingham was sacked.

If you know your history - that is...........but there are some nonsensical bell ends on here that clearly don't!

Call y'selves Evertonians? Not Audrey Horne, that's for sure. Clueless, more like!

You are a massive loser, you know that? Proper WUM.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 09, 2020, 02:46:14 AM
Still can’t believe we’d be 5th if we hadn’t shit the bed against Newcastle

Bit of a turn around from the relegation zone Silva has us in
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on February 09, 2020, 03:15:35 AM
Still can’t believe we’d be 5th if we hadn’t shit the bed against Newcastle

Bit of a turn around from the relegation zone Silva has us in
Nah he just needed more time  lolol
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigdunc9 on February 09, 2020, 03:28:40 AM
I know it's still the honeymoon period, but since Dunc then Carlo came in what a turn around. The fact we can even start to think Europe might be possible this season is amazing.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Waltzer on February 09, 2020, 03:45:43 AM
Still can't believe we'd be 5th if we hadn't shit the bed against Newcastle

Bit of a turn around from the relegation zone Silva has us in
Don't think you can say with any certainty where we'd be if Silva was here, just look at Southampton after getting humped 9-0 and now.
I'm glad we've got Carlo and even if Silva did well I'd have got rid just to get him in, but I don't think we'd be anywhere near the bottom if Silva remained in charge

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TrevorSteven on February 09, 2020, 03:47:27 AM
I know it's still the honeymoon period, but since Dunc then Carlo came in what a turn around. The fact we can even start to think Europe might be possible this season is amazing.

And at the same time it also tells us the sad story about how we actually should have managed to get into CL this year. It was so possible given that teams like Chelsea, Man Utd, Tottenham and Arsenal is struggling so much. But its all ifs and buts...:)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on February 09, 2020, 03:51:37 AM
I also cant help but look at how easy our opening set of fixtures where and how much we made a complete hash of them.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TrevorSteven on February 09, 2020, 03:56:16 AM
I also cant help but look at how easy our opening set of fixtures where and how much we made a complete hash of them.



Agree - we could easily been Leicester this year but Silva for sure was not the right guy. I dont think its all about tactics either. Its just about mentality. Ancelotti is a winner - he knows what it takes.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 09, 2020, 04:04:19 AM
I know it's still the honeymoon period, but since Dunc then Carlo came in what a turn around. The fact we can even start to think Europe might be possible this season is amazing.

Personally think we're well past the honeymoon period; it's been 11 games since Dunc took the reigns vs. Chelsea (that's 45% of the season)! But yeah, crazy that Europe is even within grasp with the ways things began.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Fynci on February 09, 2020, 04:05:41 AM
Not sure that the European talk is realistic. We had an easy start to the season and totally blew it, now it’s the difficult run. There are many other teams with much easier games than us.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 09, 2020, 04:10:59 AM
Not sure that the European talk is realistic. We had an easy start to the season and totally blew it, now it’s the difficult run. There are many other teams with much easier games than us.

It's difficult for sure, but against the same opponents (Arsenal, United, Chelsea, RS, Leicester, Spurs, Wolves) under Silva (and Dunc), we earned 9 pts (of 21). Hardly embarrassing. The x-factor is that all but United/RS/Leicester are away this time. The other 5 matches we have left are Norwich (A), Soton (H), Villa (H), SHU (A), and Bournemouth (H).

If we can match those 9 pts, and win 4 of the other 5, we have 57 points and are very likely in the top 6. I don't think it's unrealistic at all, but then again, I'm a naively optimistic fool.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alanvideo on February 09, 2020, 05:14:58 AM
Love this............
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51428026
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on February 09, 2020, 05:28:42 AM
Was it 14 points we were on when Silva was given the boot? After 15 games. So 5 from Ferguson and 17 from Carlo in fewer games than Silva. That’s something.

Interesting that Silva has disappeared totally. No job offers at all.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Ramjam on February 09, 2020, 03:12:50 PM
Was it 14 points we were on when Silva was given the boot? After 15 games. So 5 from Ferguson and 17 from Carlo in fewer games than Silva. That's something.

Interesting that Silva has disappeared totally. No job offers at all.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on February 09, 2020, 03:54:11 PM
Don't think you can say with any certainty where we'd be if Silva was here, just look at Southampton after getting humped 9-0 and now.
I'm glad we've got Carlo and even if Silva did well I'd have got rid just to get him in, but I don't think we'd be anywhere near the bottom if Silva remained in charge

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have to disagree here........if silva was still incharge we would be sat in the bottom 3 fighting relegation every week - confused tactics - no confidence with the players - a well known manager form the 60's - based on Merseyside said -  said football is a simple game complicated by idiots.............
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueForYou on February 09, 2020, 05:50:14 PM
Ancelotti & Son honeymoon period?

Get used to it - it's gonna last a good four 'n' half years


Silva? A return to Hull ticket


Simplicity is genius, don't complicate it - is that Shanks again?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on February 09, 2020, 06:54:19 PM
Likes a defensive sub doesn't he
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on February 09, 2020, 06:58:03 PM
Likes a defensive sub doesn't he

Italian isn't he?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 09, 2020, 07:22:18 PM
Italian isn't he?

🚨🚨 stat alert 🚨🚨

Premier League - 697 goals scored (avg. ~28/matchday)
Serie A - 632 goals scored (avg. ~28/matchday)

Yeah yeah, I'll piss off.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on February 09, 2020, 07:28:22 PM
🚨🚨 stat alert 🚨🚨

Premier League - 697 goals scored (avg. ~28/matchday)
Serie A - 632 goals scored (avg. ~28/matchday)

Yeah yeah, I'll piss off.

This is one area your lack of knowledge can't be papered over with stats.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on February 09, 2020, 07:29:55 PM
🚨🚨 stat alert 🚨🚨

Premier League - 697 goals scored (avg. ~28/matchday)
Serie A - 632 goals scored (avg. ~28/matchday)

Yeah yeah, I'll piss off.

If you wouldn't mind, that would be great.

I'm well aware that Serie A doesn't conform to the Catenaccio stereotype, and hasn't for many years. Making late defensive subs to protect a lead is still something I'd associate with many Italian managers.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 09, 2020, 07:34:41 PM
This is one area your lack of knowledge can't be papered over with stats.

I was being cheeky about Italian football stereotypes. The only football I was even aware of prior to 2016 was Italian football. I know the reputation.

If you wouldn't mind, that would be great.

I'm well aware that Serie A doesn't conform to the Catenaccio stereotype, and hasn't for many years. Making late defensive subs to protect a lead is still something I'd associate with many Italian managers.

And you'd be correct, doubly so for a man like Ancelotti who played, then managed for several decades during the older-school Italian way. I guess I failed at being tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on February 09, 2020, 09:53:32 PM
He is making it seem quite simple at the moment.

I know there's more to it than moving the ball quickly, getting players in the box and letting them have complete freedom but it just seems so basic.

Not complaining, though. Long live Don Carlo.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueForYou on February 09, 2020, 10:19:48 PM
I'm pretty sure Mr Ancelotti once quoted:

"Being a football manager is a simple job"

Nothing over engineered - long live King Carlo

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: boothill on February 09, 2020, 10:50:17 PM
I went out and got a blue gurami for my aquarium.  Don Carlo weve named it

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: boothill on February 09, 2020, 10:55:17 PM
Thats him

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Latcford on February 12, 2020, 05:23:33 PM
Really positive outlook from Carlo regards to his contract the Club and City. It’s on the website he tells how the Club is a family, Finch Farm is a great place to work and he would like to be here so he can hear his song sung in the new Stadium. Only drawback was the weather.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on February 12, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on February 12, 2020, 06:30:51 PM
I'm still amazed he's our manager
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thomas on February 25, 2020, 05:06:53 PM
Brilliant new video from TIFO this on Carlos tactics so far at Everton with/without the ball

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueForYou on February 26, 2020, 02:40:42 AM
Keep 'em coming, Thomas!

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 26, 2020, 03:33:43 AM
Brilliant new video from TIFO this on Carlos tactics so far at Everton with/without the ball


That was great.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on February 28, 2020, 07:07:38 PM
Interesting trend in our set-piece success rate

https://twitter.com/EFC_Statto/status/1233363907730907136
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on February 28, 2020, 07:58:59 PM
Interesting trend in our set-piece success rate

https://twitter.com/EFC_Statto/status/1233363907730907136

Crazy innit
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on February 28, 2020, 08:36:34 PM
Encouraging press conference from him today. Particularly his comments on the 'easy' mistakes against Arsenal and Holgate's future.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on February 28, 2020, 09:22:34 PM
As my friend Mourinho says "Zero"   😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2020, 10:14:28 PM
Perfect manager for us tbh.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on March 01, 2020, 10:54:44 PM
The best thing for me about Ancelotti is that he gives me hope. 

When Man U equalised and were on the front foot, usually you just know we're going to lose... Under Carlo I'm still holding on to some belief we'll win.

If Pickford doesn't pull off that double save and we lose 2-1 I'd still have hope for the next match.

Just fills me with so much confidence that things are going to be alright, and that's an odd feeling as an Everton fan!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 01, 2020, 11:04:58 PM
The best thing for me about Ancelotti is that he gives me hope. 

When Man U equalised and were on the front foot, usually you just know we're going to lose... Under Carlo I'm still holding on to some belief we'll win.

If Pickford doesn't pull off that double save and we lose 2-1 I'd still have hope for the next match.

Just fills me with so much confidence that things are going to be alright, and that's an odd feeling as an Everton fan!

Just stop FFS
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on March 01, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
Just stop FFS

Huh? My point is if that goes in I'd still look at the next match with hope and belief even though we lost.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 01, 2020, 11:11:11 PM
Huh? My point is if that goes in I'd still look at the next match with hope and belief even though we lost.

I knew what your point was, but you had to slip a subtle "if Pickford doesn't make that double save" like he's the reason we got the draw.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on March 01, 2020, 11:15:39 PM
I knew what your point was, but you had to slip a subtle "if Pickford doesn't make that double save" like he's the reason we got the draw.

Well it's a pivotal point in the game... No point saying 'if Man U had got a corner and scored from it then I'd still have hope for the next game'.

Kind of silly to be irritated by me mentioning something that actually happened in the game
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 01, 2020, 11:16:45 PM
Well it's a pivotal point in the game... No point saying 'if Man U had got a corner and scored from it then I'd still have hope for the next game'.

Kind of silly to be irritated by me mentioning something that actually happened in the game

I'm just irritated in general. Doesn't affect my opinion of you.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 02, 2020, 12:23:03 AM
Love the man. Probably told the ref he'd be sleeping with the fishes.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on March 02, 2020, 12:26:39 AM
Just think how good we’ll be once we have an actual midfield.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee1 on March 02, 2020, 12:32:19 AM
The team will be different for the start of the season as Carlo will know what he wants and Marcel will do his best to achieve that.

The way the ref walked off the pitch reminded of Gordan Brittas.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2020, 12:40:14 AM
I knew what your point was, but you had to slip a subtle "if Pickford doesn't make that double save" like he's the reason we got the draw.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2020, 12:44:47 AM
Our xg differential since he came in is third best in the league.

3rd most big chances created.

Got to be top 4 form although had the odd wobble.

I personally do not like to see an Everton as passive as today's first half or last week's first half, and I don't love 442 hoping to counter attack especially at home, but he's doing exactly what we said on the tin which was no miracles but sensible pragmatism and go again after the summer.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 02, 2020, 12:49:03 AM
Our xg differential since he came in is third best in the league.

3rd most big chances created.

Got to be top 4 form although had the odd wobble.

I personally do not like to see an Everton as passive as today's first half or last week's first half, and I don't love 442 hoping to counter attack especially at home, but he's doing exactly what we said on the tin which was no miracles but sensible pragmatism and go again after the summer.
He's making the squad perform to the best of its ability, if not a bit more. If we can keep that up next season then the rest is on Marcel to work a bit of magic in the summer and raise the ability level.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 02, 2020, 12:49:34 AM
Walking before we can run with a imbalanced squad. Just what we needed and one of the few managers who will get the time he needs.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on March 02, 2020, 12:53:54 AM
Our xg differential since he came in is third best in the league.

3rd most big chances created.

Got to be top 4 form although had the odd wobble.

I personally do not like to see an Everton as passive as today's first half or last week's first half, and I don't love 442 hoping to counter attack especially at home, but he's doing exactly what we said on the tin which was no miracles but sensible pragmatism and go again after the summer.

Big issue for us is quality of play rather than attitude.

I’d say at least we’re not completely useless when we’re not very good.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 02, 2020, 12:54:17 AM
Our xg differential since he came in is third best in the league.

3rd most big chances created.

Got to be top 4 form although had the odd wobble.

I personally do not like to see an Everton as passive as today's first half or last week's first half, and I don't love 442 hoping to counter attack especially at home, but he's doing exactly what we said on the tin which was no miracles but sensible pragmatism and go again after the summer.

Our xPTS is 4th best since Boxing Day, so yep.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2020, 01:15:01 AM
Our xg differential since he came in is third best in the league.

3rd most big chances created.

Got to be top 4 form although had the odd wobble.

I personally do not like to see an Everton as passive as today's first half or last week's first half, and I don't love 442 hoping to counter attack especially at home, but he's doing exactly what we said on the tin which was no miracles but sensible pragmatism and go again after the summer.

Carlo is more or less married to 4-4-2, though, so we are going to see plenty of halves of football where we are outnumbered and dominated in midfield, with the flipside of being one incisive or even hopeful through-ball away from DCL or Richarlison burying one against the run of play.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2020, 01:24:26 AM
My fucking manager

https://twitter.com/ToffeeTVEFC/status/1234194893309911040
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 02, 2020, 01:28:02 AM
Carlo is more or less married to 4-4-2, though, so we are going to see plenty of halves of football where we are outnumbered and dominated in midfield, with the flipside of being one incisive or even hopeful through-ball away from DCL or Richarlison burying one against the run of play.

It's essentially the same system as he used at Napoli, and they were very, very rarely dominated in midfield. Of course they had good midfielders.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2020, 01:47:30 AM
Comes to something when Duncan Ferguson is having to pull you away from a rumble. :)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2020, 02:12:15 AM
It's essentially the same system as he used at Napoli, and they were very, very rarely dominated in midfield. Of course they had good midfielders.

Exactly.

I just can’t imagine many times when our two in the middle will come out on top against a midfield 3 from a Top 6 side.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 02, 2020, 02:22:31 AM
Exactly.

I just can’t imagine many times when our two in the middle will come out on top against a midfield 3 from a Top 6 side.

Assuming for a second that Gbamin comes good, do you think he & Gomes could do the trick?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2020, 02:24:52 AM
Assuming for a second that Gbamin comes good, do you think he & Gomes could do the trick?

It’s a big assumption that he’ll come back as good as he was, and it’s another assumption that he was even a potential Top 6 CM in the first place. So I’m tentatively saying no.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on March 02, 2020, 02:27:03 AM
Assuming for a second that Gbamin comes good, do you think he & Gomes could do the trick?
I hope he buys a real strong midfielder in the summer. I don’t think Gbamin will be it.

We need Peter Reid Mk2.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2020, 02:27:47 AM
He's managing a team that isn't his yet and doing a great job, can't wait to see what he can do with a pre season run up
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 02, 2020, 02:36:56 AM
It’s a big assumption that he’ll come back as good as he was, and it’s another assumption that he was even a potential Top 6 CM in the first place. So I’m tentatively saying no.
I hope he buys a real strong midfielder in the summer. I don’t think Gbamin will be it.

We need Peter Reid Mk2.

Both fair. I think we're certainly going to be going after someone of Allan's quality (if not Allan himself). But I do think Gbamin will get a chance to prove himself. Carlo's been well-known to alter formations to suit his players' style.

Using Allan as an example, a midfield trio of Gbamin-Allan-Gomes in a 433 wouldn't suck IMO.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2020, 02:55:28 AM
Both fair. I think we're certainly going to be going after someone of Allan's quality (if not Allan himself). But I do think Gbamin will get a chance to prove himself. Carlo's been well-known to alter formations to suit his players' style.

Using Allan as an example, a midfield trio of Gbamin-Allan-Gomes in a 433 wouldn't suck IMO.

Has Ancelotti used 4-3-3 much before?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 02, 2020, 02:57:38 AM
Has Ancelotti used 4-3-3 much before?

Yeah, quite a bit while attacking at Napoli, and then before that at Real Madrid. Bayern was almost entirely 4231 but then again, they have Lewandowski as a target man. Not sure about anything before Madrid.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2020, 03:41:16 AM
Yeah, quite a bit while attacking at Napoli, and then before that at Real Madrid. Bayern was almost entirely 4231 but then again, they have Lewandowski as a target man. Not sure about anything before Madrid.

Nice one.

I just don’t see 4-4-2 as a formation that get Top 6 in this league, not in this day and age.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 02, 2020, 03:50:08 AM
Nice one.

I just don’t see 4-4-2 as a formation that get Top 6 in this league, not in this day and age.

yeah but Burnley uses it ;)

We'd really need 2 absolutely world class MFs to do it, agreed.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2020, 04:06:09 AM
Gbamin won't play for Everton again.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2020, 04:18:44 AM
No complaints from me so far.

He’s got the fire in his belly that I thought he wouldn’t have so I’m made up about that. He’s here for the right reasons and not for a nice pay day.

Would like to see us move from 442 in the long term eventually though. Think for that to work over a long period of time you either need to play like Burnley, or have an absolute elite midfielder as part of the 2 to create and control the game.

Not much he can do at the moment though.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2020, 04:50:42 AM
Gbamin won't play for Everton again.

I feel that this is more likely than him coming back and then bossing it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on March 02, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
I wish I could see what every manager sees in Gylfi. And for someone of Ancelotti's pedigree to keep picking him makes me feel like I'm definitely missing something.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2020, 09:06:51 AM
I wish I could see what every manager sees in Gylfi. And for someone of Ancelotti's pedigree to keep picking him makes me feel like I'm definitely missing something.

Beyond working hard I'm really struggling. Starting him ahead of Bernard today was madness.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on March 02, 2020, 02:00:55 PM
Carlo will probably point to the fact Sig could have had two today, despite doing absolutely nothing all game.

Can only assume the fact he is an occasional goal threat, without actually troubling the scorers much these days, is the sole reason he plays.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2020, 02:06:46 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gylfi-sigurdsson-left-everton-limbo-17835627
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on March 02, 2020, 03:58:44 PM
He must work his socks off in training.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2020, 04:36:01 PM
First manager to be red carded since the rule was introduced last year
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Hesmenos on March 02, 2020, 05:37:52 PM
Sig was poor with the ball, especially in the first half, but defensively he was very good. Man Utd struggled to attack down our left side.
Plus his energy levels are phenomenal which means he can press for 90 minutes. Something which Iwobi and Bernard seem to lack.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on March 02, 2020, 05:47:35 PM
First manager to be red carded since the rule was introduced last year
Another Everton first.

Yet another dumb rule. The game is over. Everyone is going off.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on March 02, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
First manager to be red carded since the rule was introduced last year


Made up with that. To see your boss in the face of the official showing the kind of passion we've been lacking for as long as I can remember shows me we're on the right track. Hated Silva's half arsed attempts at it when it was clear he was only doing it to cover his own failings.

Hopefully that'll fire up a few of the lads to turn their snide-o-meter up a little now.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2020, 06:24:28 PM
Made up with that. To see your boss in the face of the official showing the kind of passion we've been lacking for as long as I can remember shows me we're on the right track. Hated Silva's half arsed attempts at it when it was clear he was only doing it to cover his own failings.

Hopefully that'll fire up a few of the lads to turn their snide-o-meter up a little now.

I liked how he said "its not my first red card and it won't be my last"
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 02, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
I liked how he said "its not my first red card and it won't be my last"

Have you read his book? It's incredible (so far). Great insights as to how this man thinks and approaches leadership.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
First manager to be red carded since the rule was introduced last year


Should have behaved himself like Poch

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 02, 2020, 09:24:06 PM
Chris Kavanagh shit himself , same twat bottled it when he should have sent klopp off for invading the pitch last season, only for him to send Nuno off the following week,    shit himself with the thought of what the powers above would think of him.

   
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2020, 11:08:09 PM
Farcical

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1234523865562271744
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 02, 2020, 11:17:47 PM
Managers and players are under obligation to come out and speak to the media, to an extent, so why don't referees?

They should be made to come out an explain situations after games.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on March 02, 2020, 11:49:14 PM
Farcical

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1234523865562271744

Even if found guilty it doesn't 100% mean a touchline ban.

If just accepting it means a fine and nothing else I'd just do that. It was a soft decision from a bottle job but the fans loved seeing him actually caring when previous managers have just rolled over.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on March 03, 2020, 12:14:00 AM
 Love him to bits, me. 8)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on March 03, 2020, 12:45:31 AM
First manager to be red carded since the rule was introduced last year
Another Everton first. 🤦‍♂️


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Title: Carlo's Way
Post by: arteta4spain on March 03, 2020, 12:52:19 AM
Love him to bits, me. 8)
Same, Imagine if we'd have got him when Moyes left. Hopefully now though we can just crack on. I'm not "that” arsed where we end up this season but I'm hoping we can get near Europe. It's still so tight that even though we're 11th we're only 8 points off 4th. (I know that's nigh impossible) but it just shows how close it is. Plus it annoys me that had we had Carlo in from the beginning of the season I think we'd be fighting for that 4th spot but it's all if buts and maybes.
Funny that Carlo will have a ban for Chelsea so  big Dunc can do it again! Haha I love a double over them! ;-)


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 03, 2020, 11:09:00 PM
Carlo in Bootle strand, amazing scenes

https://twitter.com/st_1878/status/1234809984149544960
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 03, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Carlo in Bootle strand, amazing scenes

https://twitter.com/st_1878/status/1234809984149544960
Rockin' a K Way trackie top. Nice
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 03, 2020, 11:35:15 PM
Salt n pepper Sui Mai's from the butcher's there are simply sensation
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 03, 2020, 11:42:36 PM
I seriously want to have him over for family dinners.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on March 04, 2020, 12:06:22 AM
Even if found guilty it doesn't 100% mean a touchline ban.

If just accepting it means a fine and nothing else I'd just do that. It was a soft decision from a bottle job but the fans loved seeing him actually caring when previous managers have just rolled over.

I read today, that it wont be a touchline ban, it'll be £8,000 fine, which will rise to £12,000 if appealed and it fails.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 04, 2020, 12:12:42 AM
I read today, that it wont be a touchline ban, it'll be £8,000 fine, which will rise to £12,000 if appealed and it fails.

So he should be able to manage on Sunday?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on March 04, 2020, 12:15:10 AM
So he should be able to manage on Sunday?

if there's no ban then yes, trying to find where I read it though to be sure.

Found it, think he need to accept the charge though, worth it to keep him where he should be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51707268
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 04, 2020, 12:33:39 AM
if there's no ban then yes, trying to find where I read it though to be sure.

Found it, think he need to accept the charge though, worth it to keep him where he should be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51707268

Well worth it considering it's less than 1/10th of Gylfi's pay this week.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 04, 2020, 01:10:54 AM
Rockin' a K Way trackie top. Nice

Mayyyte. https://www.theclutcher.com/en-US/product/158992/kway/jacques_polar_sweatshirt_in_blue_and_green?nat=GB&adwS=awin&adwC=awin&awc=18629_1583262622_466281929d8632ce157a4b7ae94b688b&utm_source=awin&utm_medium=104504&utm_campaign=marketplace
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on March 04, 2020, 01:31:17 AM
I read today, that it wont be a touchline ban, it'll be £8,000 fine, which will rise to £12,000 if appealed and it fails.

I'd read 8k if doesn't appeal. 12k with possible touchline ban if he appeals and loses.

I mean for the sake of 8k just take it and move on. We all love him more for it anyway!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on March 04, 2020, 02:38:32 AM
Mayyyte. https://www.theclutcher.com/en-US/product/158992/kway/jacques_polar_sweatshirt_in_blue_and_green?nat=GB&adwS=awin&adwC=awin&awc=18629_1583262622_466281929d8632ce157a4b7ae94b688b&utm_source=awin&utm_medium=104504&utm_campaign=marketplace

Tempted
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 04, 2020, 03:01:34 AM
Tempted

Same.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on March 04, 2020, 03:23:08 AM
He’s a fucking legend and just doesn’t give a fuck about where to go it’s boss. Someone’s gonna see him rocking up Mathew street on a Saturday night.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 04, 2020, 03:35:29 AM
I seriously want to have him over for family dinners.

Dude, I don’t mind you and your mate buggering Blarg to kingdom come, but I draw the line at Carlo  :wag:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on March 04, 2020, 03:51:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/03/carlo-ancelotti-orders-everton-backroom-staff-to-improve-their-english
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 04, 2020, 03:55:32 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/03/carlo-ancelotti-orders-everton-backroom-staff-to-improve-their-english

He dedicates a large portion of an entire chapter of his book on his belief that it's important for all to speak the language native to team's country. He's done very cool stuff like assigned seating at dinner to prevent cliques from forming and encouraging different nationalities and cultures to learn and bond with one another.

The guy is incredible.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bally on March 04, 2020, 04:10:37 AM


He dedicates a large portion of an entire chapter of his book on his belief that it's important for all to speak the language native to team's country. He's done very cool stuff like assigned seating at dinner to prevent cliques from forming and encouraging different nationalities and cultures to learn and bond with one another.

The guy is incredible.

One walk around Finch Farm and the canteen shows that ethos too, the menus, the seating all pretty close together, you also get an idea of who sits where just by the conversation from the host and the condiments on the table.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 04, 2020, 04:12:58 AM

One walk around Finch Farm and the canteen shows that ethos too, the menus, the seating all pretty close together, you also get an idea of who sits where just by the conversation from the host and the condiments on the table.

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That's really nice of you to offer to give me a tour of FF when I get over there :clap:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 04, 2020, 04:13:58 AM

One walk around Finch Farm and the canteen shows that ethos too, the menus, the seating all pretty close together, you also get an idea of who sits where just by the conversation from the host and the condiments on the table.

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Ooh, who sits with who, mate?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2020, 04:15:23 AM
Bit odd we haven't announced his backroom staff
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 04, 2020, 09:17:39 PM
Just watched the interview with Davide Ancelotti, gives a insight as to how he became a coach and his plans to manage one day, he oves the club already.

Oh and by the way, he's sexy as fuck as well
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on March 04, 2020, 09:20:31 PM
Just watched the interview with Davide Ancelotti, gives a insight as to how he became a coach and his plans to manage one day, he oves the club already.

Oh and by the way, he's sexy as fuck as well

He in a K-way as well?

I must be out of touch as I've never heard of K-way. Decent?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 04, 2020, 09:34:22 PM
He in a K-way as well?

I must be out of touch as I've never heard of K-way. Decent?

Nope, Everton training gear, looking like an absolute stud
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bally on March 04, 2020, 10:55:57 PM
That's really nice of you to offer to give me a tour of FF when I get over there :clap:
That may actually be a possibility

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bally on March 04, 2020, 10:58:57 PM
Ooh, who sits with who, mate?
Bernard and Mina are like best mates apparently
The rest seem to swap and change but them 2 travel as a pair by all accounts, Bernard and Richarlison stick together too, Digne is close to DCL and Davies but is more with the lads with family and wives

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 05, 2020, 12:01:48 AM
That may actually be a possibility

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I just want to be able to look down at Bernard (I'm only 5'11") :D
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2020, 12:45:25 AM
Boss

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🔝 | A fascinating journey and an inspirational attitude. 👌

Assistant manager Davide Ancelotti covers all in his first evertontv interview, including how he immediately became an Evertonian! 💙 #EFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/EFC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)</p>&mdash; Everton (@Everton) March 4, 2020 (https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1235212879432998912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bally on March 05, 2020, 12:27:55 PM
I just want to be able to look down at Bernard (I'm only 5'11") :D
Bernard is a giant

I'm around your height like and I'm about as wide as Bernard is tall. Hahaha

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 05, 2020, 07:01:13 PM
Bernard is a giant

I'm around your height like and I'm about as wide as Bernard is tall. Hahaha

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Actual footage of Bally hitting the weights

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2020, 08:26:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1235565775827677184
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bally on March 05, 2020, 08:28:59 PM
Actual footage of Bally hitting the weights

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Fuck the teddy's off and you're not far off

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 06, 2020, 06:30:40 PM
Really good read this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/06/jamie-carragher-meets-carlo-ancelotti-not-one-last-payday-going/
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Waltzer on March 06, 2020, 07:48:48 PM
Really good read this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/06/jamie-carragher-meets-carlo-ancelotti-not-one-last-payday-going/


Just drives home how lucky we are to have him, for me it almost feels like if we dont do it now we never will
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 06, 2020, 07:55:27 PM
god, i fucking adore him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🗣Carlo Ancelotti on his trip to Bootle Strand. “Difficult to park, but full of Evertonians. I was at the beach on Monday. It is beautiful. I walked three miles and counted all the statues. There are at least 100.”#EFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/EFC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/mYKSZVz1Za (https://t.co/mYKSZVz1Za)</p>&mdash; The Gwladys Street (@TheGwladysSt) March 6, 2020 (https://twitter.com/TheGwladysSt/status/1235906758960349184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lazarou on March 06, 2020, 07:55:50 PM
Really good read this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/06/jamie-carragher-meets-carlo-ancelotti-not-one-last-payday-going/

Can anyone copy and paste this?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 06, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
If we can't get it right and win something with Carlo in charge then we're doomed forever!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lazarou on March 06, 2020, 08:09:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MBW38TQl.jpg)

 :o
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: adaml on March 06, 2020, 08:13:52 PM
Anyway of reading this without subscribing?
Really good read this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/06/jamie-carragher-meets-carlo-ancelotti-not-one-last-payday-going/

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 06, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
My allegiance to Everton ended over 25 years ago, but there is a moment during an hour with Carlo Ancelotti when the heart of the schoolboy within me beats faster.

“Next season we have to qualify for the Champions League,” Ancelotti tells me. “I am here for this.”

I pause. I have not heard an Everton manager speak like this since I stood on the Gwladys Street.

“Is that really possible given the strength of the competition?” I ask.

“I am sure this club has that ambition,” he insists.

“The owner wants to be at the top. That is for sure. The idea is clear. I do not know how long it will take, but it will not take long. The spine of the squad is competitive. I do not know what the target will be this season, but next season we have to fight for the top four.”

I tell Ancelotti how invigorating it will be for fans to hear a coach of his calibre talk so boldly.

“Do you realise how many Evertonians loved seeing you get sent off at the end of the game against Manchester United last week?” I ask.

Ancelotti sounds surprised.

“You think the fans like it because I got the red card? That is why they clapped me?”

“Yes. They want to feel the manager is out there fighting for them,” I reply, sensing an opportunity to ask the most blunt question.

“When it was first said Carlo Ancelotti might come to Everton, people said you must only be coming for a final payday.”

He laughs.

“No, no, no. Fortunately, I do not need the money,” he says.

“I see Everton like I saw Napoli. It was fantastic to be in Milan, Madrid and Munich, but sometimes you get the possibility to grow a good project. We have young players with quality – players like Richarlison, [Dominic] Calvert-Lewin, [Mason] Holgate and [Lucas] Digne. The base of the team is good. Holgate signed a new contract and Dominic is going to. We have a spine and want to improve the squad in the summer.”

Ancelotti has spent his decorated career in Europe’s most exotic cities – Rome, Milan, Paris and Madrid. Today, in the office at Everton’s Finch Farm training ground he already calls home, he could be mistaken as a spokesman for Merseyside tourism.

He tells me about his midweek trip to the Bootle Strand shopping centre (above), which prompted a surge of disbelieving selfie hunters.

“Difficult to park, but full of Evertonians,” he observes.

A few miles down the road are the leafy suburbs of Crosby, where he and I are near neighbours. Ancelotti adores Antony Gormley’s iron men scattered along the seafront.

“I was at the beach on Monday. It is beautiful. I walked three miles and counted all the statues. There are at least 100,” he says

“This part of England is different to London. It is more friendly. London is more cosmopolitan – there are a lot of Italians in London. Usually I stay in the centre of the city but I feel good here, and I have already found a good Italian restaurant.”

It feels like Ancelotti has instantly absorbed his club and the city. As supporters like to put it – it seems like he already ‘gets’ Everton.

There are those who patronisingly claimed he would be too sophisticated for the club, yet his advocating of 4-4-2, direct, aggressive football, chimes with Goodison tradition. When I suggest such tactics – certainly when employed by English coaches – are considered archaic, he looks aghast.

“Why?”

“You tell me,” I respond.

“There is more than one way to play football. I like all styles,” he says.

“There is no winning system. If I have different players I could play a different system.

“Football has changed a lot – more intensity, more tactical knowledge and the rules. How many teams build up from the back now? Nearly everyone.

“If you want to play long balls and fight for the second ball, that is football. If you want to play catenaccio and counter-attack, it is football.

“There are some managers who organise the teams for themselves, not the players, so people can say, “Look how well he organises the team”.

“A team with a clear identity is a limited team. It means they can only play one way. But you must choose the right style by considering the quality and weakness of the opponent and the tradition of your club. If you become the manager of Madrid or Milan, they have a history which says play a particular style. Here there is a feeling if you can get it forward quickly and fight for the long ball, why not?

“They like the ball long and then to fight. This is important. I said this to the players before the Man United game, "Put in some long balls to fight, keep the crowd involved". If you do that in the Nou Camp? No. Not possible. Here is different.”

Such pragmatism comes with experience. Ancelotti winces recalling how – as a young manager – he failed to sign one of the world’s great players because he prioritised the system.

“When I started as a manager with Parma I sacrificed the chance to sign Roberto Baggio,” he says, with a self-critical chuckle.

“I did not want him behind two strikers. He said he did not like the system so he signed for another club. When I went to Juventus and I had [Zinedine] Zidane who wanted to be the No 10, I said, “Okay, I change the system!” You adapt to the characteristics of the player.

“There are some managers who will sacrifice quality and creativity for the system. I had Ronaldo at Real Madrid. With 4-4-2, Ronaldo had to be one of the strikers. But he does not like to play there. He likes to play wide. What do you do? Sacrifice Ronaldo who scores every game? So I said to Ronaldo, ‘When we have the ball go wherever you want. But please, when we do not have the ball, do not come back so much. Stay in the position to keep the shape’.”​

Despite three Champions League wins and domestic titles in Italy, England, Germany and France, Ancelotti’s career is not without lows.

I must mention Istanbul in 2005, of course, when Ancelotti says Liverpool ‘stole’ the trophy from his AC Milan team.

“I remember you using the time up in extra-time – going down for treatment twice,” he says.

“I managed in the Champions League final in 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2014 – and the best we played was 2005 and we lost. This is football.”

More recently, his reportedly informal man-management style was questioned.

“Not a lot of people can judge my job. They cannot see the training, look at methodology or see how I talk to the players, or how my relationship with the players is,” he says.

“Maybe if you stand with me for two weeks you can judge me properly. For other people to judge is more difficult.

“My style of training is completely different to 20 years ago because I continued to learn. Football has changed. I was assistant to Arrigo Sacchi for three years. He was an innovator, first with the philosophy of training but also tactically. The Italian team used to defend backwards, he changed it so they defended forward. But the offside rules were completely different then.

“When I joined Chelsea in 2009 it was a completely different style of training. I tried to combine it, not separating technical, tactical and physical training as I was used to in Milan. I needed to bring it altogether.”

Ancelotti won the league and FA double at Stamford Bridge, where he returns this weekend for the first time since his sacking in 2011.

There are no grudges. He is held in the highest regard by those he managed and is impressed by Frank Lampard's work.

On the day Ancelotti was sacked – coincidentally after a game at Goodison Park – his players insisted he join them for a farewell dinner.

“All the squad was there,” he recalls. “I knew it was going to be the last game and I had friends from Italy over. On the bus home, the players knew I was sacked and Ashley Cole said we must go out. I said no because I had ten friends visiting. We are having dinner at my house.

“But Ashley was, ‘No, no, they must all come. I will send you a bus’. So he sent a minibus to get us. It was unforgettable.

“I remember every day I was at Chelsea. It was a good time, a fantastic period with fantastic staff and unbelievable players.

“I had and I still have a good relationship with Roman Abramovich. He gave me the chance to manage in England and it was one of the best teams I ever managed.”

Can he really hope to replicate that at Everton?

“In the last two games against Arsenal and Manchester United we competed well,” he says. “We made mistakes – sometimes tactical and sometimes we lacked a bit of personality – but I am sure it will not take a lot of time before we always compete with the top teams.”
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on March 06, 2020, 08:18:59 PM
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Quotes here like

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on March 06, 2020, 08:28:39 PM
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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lazarou on March 06, 2020, 08:31:20 PM
Goosebumps  :hail:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 06, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MBW38TQl.jpg)

 :o

I refuse to believe only the corners stat. There's no way we're averaging 21.9 corners/game since he took over. 😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 06, 2020, 09:02:35 PM

“Next season we have to qualify for the Champions League,” Ancelotti tells me. “I am here for this.”

I pause. I have not heard an Everton manager speak like this since I stood on the Gwladys Street.

“Is that really possible given the strength of the competition?” I ask.

“I am sure this club has that ambition,” he insists.

Abridged for length

Thx for posting Liz.

The best part is how he smashes every single preconceived and current objection we've heard from some.

I'll also take another opportunity to recommend that everyone read his book. It's actually even helping me greatly during my job search. Fantastic, amazing book. You'll love him even more with this peek inside his mind.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 06, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
Thx for posting Liz.

The best part is how he smashes every single preconceived and current objection we've heard from some.

I'll also take another opportunity to recommend that everyone read his book. It's actually even helping me greatly during my job search. Fantastic, amazing book. You'll love him even more with this peek inside his mind.
Bought it coz you mentioned it in another thread. Its started off well
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alanvideo on March 06, 2020, 10:50:06 PM
This is totally different to Martinez saying something similar or Silva mumbling away. Carlo is the real deal .
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 06, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
Bought it coz you mentioned it in another thread. Its started off well

I'm not even 1/2-way through lol, but it just keeps getting better & better. So far the Ibra & John Terry reflections chapters are among my favorites. You can really see how he touches people in a way that far surpasses being their manager or coach.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on March 07, 2020, 12:15:21 AM
I'm not even 1/2-way through lol, but it just keeps getting better & better. So far the Ibra & John Terry reflections chapters are among my favorites. You can really see how he touches people in a way that far surpasses being their manager or coach.

Is that the one that roughly translates to “I prefer the neck”/“I’ll take the neck” or something, which relates to his favourite cut of ham (the cheapest) thus underlining his pride in his working class roots?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on March 07, 2020, 12:39:54 AM
There's a lot for blues supporters to be happy about, atm. Just Ancelloti mentioning the Champions league, as if he/we, have the right to be involved, is a breath of fresh air. No sign of " A knife to a gunfight" comments, no bullshit, and it couldn't be any more obvious that he knows what he's doing. All you lads and girls who are too young to have seen us win stuff, are hopefully about to be rewarded for the continued loyal support, as a long suffering fan-base fed for years on mediocrity. This time round there is light at the end of what's been a very long tunnel. "Looking good!" :)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 07, 2020, 12:50:57 AM
Is that the one that roughly translates to “I prefer the neck”/“I’ll take the neck” or something, which relates to his favourite cut of ham (the cheapest) thus underlining his pride in his working class roots?

No, I don't think so. Haven't read anything that resembles that, yet. But I'm only ~140 pgs. into the 305 pg. book (at least based on the font size I use).
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on March 07, 2020, 07:34:30 AM
The big question remains though. And it’s perplexed me enough that I have to ask.

The Telegraph, where this article is from is subscription only.

Lizz posted it.

Does lizz have a Telegraph subscription then?


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Goaljira on March 07, 2020, 04:16:12 PM
The most positive thing from that was that he says the spine is competitive and then doesnt mention Pickford, which gives me hope he plans to replace him
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on March 07, 2020, 05:06:00 PM
My allegiance to Everton ended over 25 years ago, but there is a moment during an hour with Carlo Ancelotti when the heart of the schoolboy within me beats faster.

“Next season we have to qualify for the Champions League,” Ancelotti tells me. “I am here for this.”

I pause. I have not heard an Everton manager speak like this since I stood on the Gwladys Street.

“Is that really possible given the strength of the competition?” I ask.

“I am sure this club has that ambition,” he insists.

“The owner wants to be at the top. That is for sure. The idea is clear. I do not know how long it will take, but it will not take long. The spine of the squad is competitive. I do not know what the target will be this season, but next season we have to fight for the top four.”

I tell Ancelotti how invigorating it will be for fans to hear a coach of his calibre talk so boldly.

“Do you realise how many Evertonians loved seeing you get sent off at the end of the game against Manchester United last week?” I ask.

Ancelotti sounds surprised.

“You think the fans like it because I got the red card? That is why they clapped me?”

“Yes. They want to feel the manager is out there fighting for them,” I reply, sensing an opportunity to ask the most blunt question.

“When it was first said Carlo Ancelotti might come to Everton, people said you must only be coming for a final payday.”

He laughs.

“No, no, no. Fortunately, I do not need the money,” he says.

“I see Everton like I saw Napoli. It was fantastic to be in Milan, Madrid and Munich, but sometimes you get the possibility to grow a good project. We have young players with quality – players like Richarlison, [Dominic] Calvert-Lewin, [Mason] Holgate and [Lucas] Digne. The base of the team is good. Holgate signed a new contract and Dominic is going to. We have a spine and want to improve the squad in the summer.”

Ancelotti has spent his decorated career in Europe’s most exotic cities – Rome, Milan, Paris and Madrid. Today, in the office at Everton’s Finch Farm training ground he already calls home, he could be mistaken as a spokesman for Merseyside tourism.

He tells me about his midweek trip to the Bootle Strand shopping centre (above), which prompted a surge of disbelieving selfie hunters.

“Difficult to park, but full of Evertonians,” he observes.

A few miles down the road are the leafy suburbs of Crosby, where he and I are near neighbours. Ancelotti adores Antony Gormley’s iron men scattered along the seafront.

“I was at the beach on Monday. It is beautiful. I walked three miles and counted all the statues. There are at least 100,” he says

“This part of England is different to London. It is more friendly. London is more cosmopolitan – there are a lot of Italians in London. Usually I stay in the centre of the city but I feel good here, and I have already found a good Italian restaurant.”

It feels like Ancelotti has instantly absorbed his club and the city. As supporters like to put it – it seems like he already ‘gets’ Everton.

There are those who patronisingly claimed he would be too sophisticated for the club, yet his advocating of 4-4-2, direct, aggressive football, chimes with Goodison tradition. When I suggest such tactics – certainly when employed by English coaches – are considered archaic, he looks aghast.

“Why?”

“You tell me,” I respond.

“There is more than one way to play football. I like all styles,” he says.

“There is no winning system. If I have different players I could play a different system.

“Football has changed a lot – more intensity, more tactical knowledge and the rules. How many teams build up from the back now? Nearly everyone.

“If you want to play long balls and fight for the second ball, that is football. If you want to play catenaccio and counter-attack, it is football.

“There are some managers who organise the teams for themselves, not the players, so people can say, “Look how well he organises the team”.

“A team with a clear identity is a limited team. It means they can only play one way. But you must choose the right style by considering the quality and weakness of the opponent and the tradition of your club. If you become the manager of Madrid or Milan, they have a history which says play a particular style. Here there is a feeling if you can get it forward quickly and fight for the long ball, why not?

“They like the ball long and then to fight. This is important. I said this to the players before the Man United game, "Put in some long balls to fight, keep the crowd involved". If you do that in the Nou Camp? No. Not possible. Here is different.”

Such pragmatism comes with experience. Ancelotti winces recalling how – as a young manager – he failed to sign one of the world’s great players because he prioritised the system.

“When I started as a manager with Parma I sacrificed the chance to sign Roberto Baggio,” he says, with a self-critical chuckle.

“I did not want him behind two strikers. He said he did not like the system so he signed for another club. When I went to Juventus and I had [Zinedine] Zidane who wanted to be the No 10, I said, “Okay, I change the system!” You adapt to the characteristics of the player.

“There are some managers who will sacrifice quality and creativity for the system. I had Ronaldo at Real Madrid. With 4-4-2, Ronaldo had to be one of the strikers. But he does not like to play there. He likes to play wide. What do you do? Sacrifice Ronaldo who scores every game? So I said to Ronaldo, ‘When we have the ball go wherever you want. But please, when we do not have the ball, do not come back so much. Stay in the position to keep the shape’.”​

Despite three Champions League wins and domestic titles in Italy, England, Germany and France, Ancelotti’s career is not without lows.

I must mention Istanbul in 2005, of course, when Ancelotti says Liverpool ‘stole’ the trophy from his AC Milan team.

“I remember you using the time up in extra-time – going down for treatment twice,” he says.

“I managed in the Champions League final in 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2014 – and the best we played was 2005 and we lost. This is football.”

More recently, his reportedly informal man-management style was questioned.

“Not a lot of people can judge my job. They cannot see the training, look at methodology or see how I talk to the players, or how my relationship with the players is,” he says.

“Maybe if you stand with me for two weeks you can judge me properly. For other people to judge is more difficult.

“My style of training is completely different to 20 years ago because I continued to learn. Football has changed. I was assistant to Arrigo Sacchi for three years. He was an innovator, first with the philosophy of training but also tactically. The Italian team used to defend backwards, he changed it so they defended forward. But the offside rules were completely different then.

“When I joined Chelsea in 2009 it was a completely different style of training. I tried to combine it, not separating technical, tactical and physical training as I was used to in Milan. I needed to bring it altogether.”

Ancelotti won the league and FA double at Stamford Bridge, where he returns this weekend for the first time since his sacking in 2011.

There are no grudges. He is held in the highest regard by those he managed and is impressed by Frank Lampard's work.

On the day Ancelotti was sacked – coincidentally after a game at Goodison Park – his players insisted he join them for a farewell dinner.

“All the squad was there,” he recalls. “I knew it was going to be the last game and I had friends from Italy over. On the bus home, the players knew I was sacked and Ashley Cole said we must go out. I said no because I had ten friends visiting. We are having dinner at my house.

“But Ashley was, ‘No, no, they must all come. I will send you a bus’. So he sent a minibus to get us. It was unforgettable.

“I remember every day I was at Chelsea. It was a good time, a fantastic period with fantastic staff and unbelievable players.

“I had and I still have a good relationship with Roman Abramovich. He gave me the chance to manage in England and it was one of the best teams I ever managed.”

Can he really hope to replicate that at Everton?

“In the last two games against Arsenal and Manchester United we competed well,” he says. “We made mistakes – sometimes tactical and sometimes we lacked a bit of personality – but I am sure it will not take a lot of time before we always compete with the top teams.”
......keep the faith...........and I'm glad I did after reading this -  :hail:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Waltzer on March 07, 2020, 05:44:28 PM
Never knew he was in Star Trek

'Ancelotti: Get to know the Everton boss!'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11950230

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 07, 2020, 06:32:21 PM
Really telling excerpt from Carlo's book:

“Getting decisions right or wrong seems an easy thing to quantify, but I don’t believe it to be so. When the results of my decision prove not to be good, does that mean it was the wrong decision? No. It only means that it turned out to be wrong. When I make a decision I always think that it’s the right decision at the time, otherwise why would I take it? I have no regret because, with the information at my disposal, I did what I thought was best. I can’t change it. While it is important to look back and analyse where things have gone wrong, it is vital not to dwell unnecessarily on them. This will kill you.”
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 08, 2020, 04:53:41 AM
Imagine some people getting their wish and having Mourinho throwing our players under the bus for another limp performance.

He may not be winning any leagues with us, but I can't imagine there's anyone else in the world that has a chance of improving us as rapidly as Ancelotti.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on March 08, 2020, 05:27:48 AM
Really telling excerpt from Carlo's book:

"Getting decisions right or wrong seems an easy thing to quantify, but I don't believe it to be so. When the results of my decision prove not to be good, does that mean it was the wrong decision? No. It only means that it turned out to be wrong. When I make a decision I always think that it's the right decision at the time, otherwise why would I take it? I have no regret because, with the information at my disposal, I did what I thought was best. I can't change it. While it is important to look back and analyse where things have gone wrong, it is vital not to dwell unnecessarily on them. This will kill you.”
That’s a great mantra to live by. There’s very few decisions in my life I regret. Some I haven’t got right of course but every decision I’ve made I’ve thought it was the right one at the time based on my knowledge then.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 08, 2020, 06:46:45 AM
That’s a great mantra to live by. There’s very few decisions in my life I regret. Some I haven’t got right of course but every decision I’ve made I’ve thought it was the right one at the time based on my knowledge then.


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You would love this book. Get it on Kindle and you can make the font giant size.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on March 08, 2020, 06:55:00 AM
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You would love this book. Get it on Kindle and you can make the font giant size.
Can you tell me the ending of it and if he wins any silverware with us?


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 08, 2020, 07:48:53 AM
Can you tell me the ending of it and if he wins any silverware with us?


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Spoiler: show
He's about to go take the Bayern Munich job lolol
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on March 08, 2020, 10:31:13 PM
Dropped an absolute bollock with that lineup today.  Whilst his options may be limited there's still no excuse for picking that team and formation.

His reliance on Sigurdsson is becoming alarming, pretty much everyone will have whinced seeing Sig left and Bernard right, so it's confusing that Ancelotti felt it was a good idea.

Silva would have been shot if he'd picked that team, so Ancelotti needs to be held to task for it too.  Yes the players were appalling, but we'd lost that game before a ball was even kicked.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on March 08, 2020, 10:32:06 PM
Got it wrong v arsenal United and Chelsea now.

Arsenal and United we improved second half but it shouldn't be ignored. Maybe says something about 442.

A lot gets said about how Everton fans want their team to play, and while there's probably some truth in it, I have to say harking back to a time id rather forget in a lot of cases. How I want Everton to play is like a top team, at the moment this isn't it.

Rest of the season was always going to be a let, but I'm expecting a much different outlook next season.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on March 08, 2020, 10:34:31 PM
Got it wrong v arsenal United and Chelsea now.

Arsenal and United we improved second half but it shouldn't be ignored. Maybe says something about 442.

A lot gets said about how Everton fans want their team to play, and while there's probably some truth in it, I have to say harking back to a time id rather forget in a lot of cases. How I want Everton to play is like a top team, at the moment this isn't it.

Rest of the season was always going to be a let, but I'm expecting a much different outlook next season.

Just on the bit re bad then improving in the previous two games, is that not just a facet of being an ok team with inherent ups and downs rather than a specific formation/ selection issue?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on March 08, 2020, 10:48:06 PM
Just on the bit re bad then improving in the previous two games, is that not just a facet of being an ok team with inherent ups and downs rather than a specific formation/ selection issue?

Maybe? Probably? Been big similarities in how we've set up and how we've been taken advantage of for me though, and that feels systemic.

Do we improve our chances by increasing quality absolutely, but i feel he's played the same hand three times and it's not looked any different.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on March 08, 2020, 10:54:47 PM
Maybe? Probably? Been big similarities in how we've set up and how we've been taken advantage of for me though, and that feels systemic.

Do we improve our chances by increasing quality absolutely, but i feel he's played the same hand three times and it's not looked any different.

He’s a manager that’s managed the best teams in the world for the last twenty years so approaches games always looking to get on the front foot.

He’ll start to learn that at home 442 is fine.

Away from home, he’ll realise a bit of pragmatism is needed when you have a team of our level.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on March 08, 2020, 11:34:54 PM
He’s a manager that’s managed the best teams in the world for the last twenty years so approaches games always looking to get on the front foot.

He’ll start to learn that at home 442 is fine.

Away from home, he’ll realise a bit of pragmatism is needed when you have a team of our level.



I feel like we've been painfully passive in those games rather than front foot to be honest.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on March 08, 2020, 11:40:24 PM
I feel like we've been painfully passive in those games rather than front foot to be honest.

Through the opposition and individuals not being able to get close enough to be aggressive I think.

The set up and idea was there, but it’s hard to execute when you come up against teams better than you

The arsenal and united games were fine. This today wasn’t and should make Carlo realise what he’s got here.

Will be carnage if we set up 442 against the red men.
Title: Re: Carlo's Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 08, 2020, 11:47:16 PM
I really like 442 under Carlo, its fluid and direct, and it makes good use of our only two goal threats DCL and Richarlison.

But the starting lineup today was bad. Too slow in the middle and got overrun very easily. If we dont have the players to play that formation well, against the top teams, I'd like to see a 433 or 451.

His hands are tied at RB a bit though, Sidibe's form has fallen off a cliff. I'd be recalling Kenny if we had that clause, because he's costing us points every week.

Make no bones about it, even that injury hit Chelsea squad have twice as much talent as our full strength squad, but that performance was pathetic.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on March 09, 2020, 12:27:59 AM
If he starts Gylfi in the derby then I'll start to worry.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 09, 2020, 12:41:05 AM
If he starts Gylfi in the derby then I'll start to worry.

prepare to WORRY :)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: boothill on March 09, 2020, 12:50:59 AM
Any of that line of four tbf
If he starts Gylfi in the derby then I'll start to worry.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on March 09, 2020, 01:06:22 AM
We don't really have the midfielders to play much else but 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 to be fair and our fullbacks haven't played well enough to consider 3-5-2

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on March 09, 2020, 01:09:46 AM
I feel like we've been painfully passive in those games rather than front foot to be honest.

Again though we weren’t in the good spells. Which I think points to just consistency of performance rather than not wanting to.

Issues obviously if we get more today’s than not.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on March 09, 2020, 01:22:35 AM
Through the opposition and individuals not being able to get close enough to be aggressive I think.

The set up and idea was there, but it’s hard to execute when you come up against teams better than you

The arsenal and united games were fine. This today wasn’t and should make Carlo realise what he’s got here.

Will be carnage if we set up 442 against the red men.

Again though it could be thought that 442 would be the only way for us to get past their pressing particularly if we’re “having a go”.

Only way of not really exposing the midfield is more people but with our control of the ball, or lack of it, I can equally see it being very easy to not be able to get out of our own third.

We’d been able to be a bit more flexible in some games with players moving in half positions etc. not so much with recent performances but maybe that’s individual players too.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Ramjam on March 09, 2020, 05:55:14 AM
If DCL scores that one on one with their keeper to bring us back to 2-1 we might be talking about a different outcome. That miss was massive in terms of us getting a foot hold back in the game and possibly a point instead of our usual capitulation.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on March 09, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
His little trip to Bootle strand frazzled his brain
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on March 09, 2020, 02:17:03 PM
I really hope we get the players we need and Carlo wants in the summer. The players are 100% the problem at the moment. He's a great manager, not a miracle worker.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2020, 03:37:53 PM
If DCL scores that one on one with their keeper to bring us back to 2-1 we might be talking about a different outcome. That miss was massive in terms of us getting a foot hold back in the game and possibly a point instead of our usual capitulation.


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It was the only chance we had all game. We were totally schooled by a Chelsea B team who could have reached double figures but you're holding up our only effort as the reason we didn't give ourselves a sniff of getting something out of it?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on March 09, 2020, 05:54:24 PM
Any chance of sorting the central midfield out this summer? You know, with it being the most important part of the team n that. We'll never make a sustained run at anything unless we can start to control games, and impose patterns of play on the opposition. Not really sure why this hasn't been addressed.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on March 09, 2020, 05:57:39 PM
Whilst we had a good run, nobody has really questioned his formation. When we get a good bumming we look for issues. The formation wasnt the problem yesterday, having a team of mostly average players that werent up for it playing a team of good/very good players that were up for it - on their own turf, was the problem.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on March 09, 2020, 06:02:43 PM
Any chance of sorting the central midfield out this summer? You know, with it being the most important part of the team n that. We'll never make a sustained run at anything unless we can start to control games, and impose patterns of play on the opposition. Not really sure why this hasn't been addressed.

Doesn't look good on Brands that we're still in such a mess.

The midfield is non entity, Walcott is still our best winger, Holgate is our best CB, we've got a joker at right back, and a lot of the lads he's brought in cant get a run in the team.

He's got a massive summer coming, if we're in march next year still discussing the same things it might be time to ask ourselves a very difficult question.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on March 09, 2020, 06:04:55 PM
Doesn't look good on Brands that we're still in such a mess.

The midfield is non entity, Walcott is still our best winger, Holgate is our best CB, we've got a joker at right back, and a lot of the lads he's brought in cant get a run in the team.

He's got a massive summer coming, if we're in march next year still discussing the same things it might be time to ask ourselves a very difficult question.


Agreed. Been here long enough.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on March 09, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
Again though it could be thought that 442 would be the only way for us to get past their pressing particularly if we're "having a go”.

Only way of not really exposing the midfield is more people but with our control of the ball, or lack of it, I can equally see it being very easy to not be able to get out of our own third.

We'd been able to be a bit more flexible in some games with players moving in half positions etc. not so much with recent performances but maybe that's individual players too.

You make a good point.

Teams often get criticised for passing it around at the back when they don’t have players capable of doing it, maybe Carlo has realised we don’t even have players capable of passing it around in midfield.

There was one occasion yesterday where Gomes, Davies and Sigurdsson were all within five yards of each other and each one took it in turns to absolutely leather it at the other one until we eventually lost possession.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 09, 2020, 08:43:48 PM
Agreed. Been here long enough.

Has he?

Summer 1 (1 month after he signed): brought in Gomes on loan, already had Gana
Winter 1 (pass)
Summer 2 (sold Gana, did/didn't replace even 80% of him we simply don't know - Gbamin, signed Gomes permanently, signed Delph - right now looking like a mistake though not sure who else could be had for 8m)
Winter 2 (pass)

He inherited everyone else, on terrible long-term contracts at high wages. I'm not sure why we're retreading tired, old, ground here.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on March 09, 2020, 08:57:29 PM
Has he?

Summer 1 (1 month after he signed): brought in Gomes on loan, already had Gana
Winter 1 (pass)
Summer 2 (sold Gana, did/didn't replace even 80% of him we simply don't know - Gbamin, signed Gomes permanently, signed Delph - right now looking like a mistake though not sure who else could be had for 8m)
Winter 2 (pass)

He inherited everyone else, on terrible long-term contracts at high wages. I'm not sure why we're retreading tired, old, ground here.

To address the central midfield situation, better than he has so far, yes.

At the moment, we basically all just accept that our midfield is shit and tend to have to bypass it in most matches. That can't be good enough. Ok, some bad luck with Gbamin, although he looked exceptionally raw in the brief glimpses we saw. Gomes is....decentish, at best. And supposedly he's our best player in there by a million miles.

So yeah, he does need to sort it out, and if we're still in a similar situation with it next year (which is what Ram said, and I agreed), then Brands 100% has serious questions to answer.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on March 09, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
Whilst we had a good run, nobody has really questioned his formation. When we get a good bumming we look for issues. The formation wasnt the problem yesterday, having a team of mostly average players that werent up for it playing a team of good/very good players that were up for it - on their own turf, was the problem.

No, when you set up arguably weaker against Chelsea away than you do against Palace at home then it's reasonable to think he may have got it wrong. Same formation different result.

Now it might be that he's still learning about some players whereas we have hindsight of the past few years to know what they can or cannot do but it's not unreasonable to say he had a bad day at the weekend.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 09, 2020, 09:00:41 PM
To address the central midfield situation, better than he has so far, yes.

At the moment, we basically all just accept that our midfield is shit and tend to have to bypass it in most matches. That can't be good enough. Ok, some bad luck with Gbamin, although he looked exceptionally raw in the brief glimpses we saw. Gomes is....decentish, at best. And supposedly he's our best player in there by a million miles.

So yeah, he does need to sort it out, and if we're still in a similar situation with it next year (which is what Ram said, and I agreed), then Brands 100% has serious questions to answer.

I would assume that they know that already, right? What does "addressing it" mean to you? Selling the crap we have, buying stuff we want?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on March 09, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
I would assume that they know that already, right? What does "addressing it" mean to you? Selling the crap we have, buying stuff we want?

Have a midfield that isn't vaguely embarrassing would be the starting point.

If I'm to aim a little higher, then buying midfielders who aren't scared of the ball, who can take the ball on the half turn, who can carry the ball forward, who can pick a pass, made good decisions. Maybe even (whisper it) play it into feet in the final third.

At various stages we had Arteta, Osman, Pienaar, Cahill, Fellaini, Carsley, Gravesen. All of them could do all or most of them things, and it allowed us to develop sustainable patterns of play, to control games, to shut games down. And they didn't cost the earth.

Brands has so far spent pretty much £50m on Gomes and Gbamin. Too early to make any calls on Gbamin obviously, but I wouldn't say we've made big strides forward in that department.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on March 09, 2020, 10:30:19 PM
Have a midfield that isn't vaguely embarrassing would be the starting point.

If I'm to aim a little higher, then buying midfielders who aren't scared of the ball, who can take the ball on the half turn, who can carry the ball forward, who can pick a pass, made good decisions. Maybe even (whisper it) play it into feet in the final third.

At various stages we had Arteta, Osman, Pienaar, Cahill, Fellaini, Carsley, Gravesen. All of them could do all or most of them things, and it allowed us to develop sustainable patterns of play, to control games, to shut games down. And they didn't cost the earth.

Brands has so far spent pretty much £50m on Gomes and Gbamin. Too early to make any calls on Gbamin obviously, but I wouldn't say we've made big strides forward in that department.

We all want the same things, but that doesn't make it any easier to free up the funds to do so. Using the Double-G example above, what do you conceivably think that same 50m would get us for 2 great (or better) CMs? We have 2 25m midfielders, this is what you get.

I don't think what EFC once had is any way to measure simply because the transfer market as it exists today renders that irrelevant. None of those guys cost even £10m in their time.

We're all well aware of FFP, what it means for our ability to go get new talent, and how it relies on us moving other expensive pieces out. What's expected of Brands to be able to do that? Perhaps a good part of it comes down to how well we scout, but that team is as new as Brands, and regardless they're not scouting in a vacuum where no other clubs know those players exist. It always circles back to 1) paying more and/or 2) rolling the dice. I'm not saying it's impossible at all, just that it's not snap-your-fingers-and-sort-it-with-ease either.

I don't know, I try to approach & evaluate the state of things from a rational perspective, doing my best to keep my emotions out of it as best I can.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Martip on March 10, 2020, 05:45:50 AM
We all want the same things, but that doesn't make it any easier to free up the funds to do so. Using the Double-G example above, what do you conceivably think that same 50m would get us for 2 great (or better) CMs? We have 2 25m midfielders, this is what you get.

I don't think what EFC once had is any way to measure simply because the transfer market as it exists today renders that irrelevant. None of those guys cost even £10m in their time.

We're all well aware of FFP, what it means for our ability to go get new talent, and how it relies on us moving other expensive pieces out. What's expected of Brands to be able to do that? Perhaps a good part of it comes down to how well we scout, but that team is as new as Brands, and regardless they're not scouting in a vacuum where no other clubs know those players exist. It always circles back to 1) paying more and/or 2) rolling the dice. I'm not saying it's impossible at all, just that it's not snap-your-fingers-and-sort-it-with-ease either.

I don't know, I try to approach & evaluate the state of things from a rational perspective, doing my best to keep my emotions out of it as best I can.
You see for me this is where I have been dissapointed with Brands so far.

I had visions of cheap south American flair, but ended up with lazy signings like Delph and Iwobi, who are, let's be honest, straight from the Steve Walsh book of potential signings. Surely we could have done better than these 2 for the money  ffs.

Brands signings are not exactly pulling up trees either they ? Iwobi, Bernard, Mina, Sidebe, Delph, Kean are hardly a glowing endorsement for his talents atm are they.

There is only so long we can blame his predecessors.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 12, 2020, 06:02:26 AM
https://twitter.com/nicoschira/status/1237828628353814528?s=21

This bloke was one of the first to break the Carlo story and seems pretty clued up.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on March 28, 2020, 11:46:13 PM
Welling up here, absolutely blobbing, just watched on the OS Carlo calling Mark, a 50 year old Everton fan, four kids and has motor neurone disease, both of them heroes.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 02, 2020, 05:26:52 AM
Excellent game management tonight, we 100% draw or most probably lose that match under Silva.

Out managed Rodgers who just ended up throwing tonnes of forwards on as he'd no answer to the double change in system.

Only the third game back and you can see the work rate and organisation he's drilled in to the players.

Proved just what a top manager he is yet again tonight!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 02, 2020, 05:33:47 AM
Since he took over we are 5th in form league
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on July 02, 2020, 06:02:13 AM
Since he took over we are 5th in form league

Champions League form with no midfield... decent.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 02, 2020, 06:20:46 AM
Champions League form with no midfield... decent.
Yeah, bizarre
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on July 02, 2020, 02:14:07 PM
I was fuming when he brought Mina on. Just goes to show why I'm the man who drinks beers whilst the match is on rather than in the dugout.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Nicco on July 02, 2020, 03:47:57 PM
I was fuming when he brought Mina on. Just goes to show why I'm the man who drinks beers whilst the match is on rather than in the dugout.
Same here. Cheers to our new insights

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 02, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
Since he took over we are 5th in form league

Considering we have basically no midfield that's a hell of an achievement!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on July 02, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
Don’t think he’s doing anything special.

Just getting a lot more out of the squad than previous managers that didnt have a clue.

This squad really isn’t as bad as it’s been made out over the last few years.

We’ve been finishing 8th on a regular basis despite seeing some dreadful football and our managers constantly being on the back foot.

I think Carlo is just bringing us back to the norm of what this squad should be producing.

Fully expecting us to have a good top six challenge next season.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ally2 on July 02, 2020, 05:00:54 PM
There's often an over interpretation of how the game is managed. One lucky break for Leicester and it could all have been very different. Then Carlo would probably have been accused of 'sitting back', 'inviting pressure' and all that crap.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 02, 2020, 05:42:21 PM
There's often an over interpretation of how the game is managed. One lucky break for Leicester and it could all have been very different. Then Carlo would probably have been accused of 'sitting back', 'inviting pressure' and all that crap.

Well no, he identified a problem, switched formation, then switched it again, with the last one meaning they were completely nullified, so much so we were just walking the ball past the towards the end with Davies looking like Lionel Messi.

You can't say, well if Leicester had got a fluke goal his tactics would have been seen as crap because that didn't happen, and his game management was absolutely top drawer.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Craig_1878 on July 02, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
There's often an over interpretation of
 how the game is managed. One lucky break for Leicester and it could all have been very different. Then Carlo would probably have been accused of 'sitting back', 'inviting pressure' and all that crap.

Its about balance isn't it I suppose. On the one hand you need a good manager to have the players well drilled, but then you need the players to execute the gameplan.

I think Carlo deserves a lot of credit though, because over the years we have had so many different managers with different philosophies. Almost all of these managers had a fairly rigid idea of how they wanted to play and they all brought in players to fit their system, so it's left us with a group of random players who don't fit into any one system.

So it's a massive credit to Carlo that he has come in and has quickly managed to identify different systems that work in different scenarios that play to the players strengths, and to not blindly follow one singular philosophy as previous managers have done.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Polledreng on July 02, 2020, 05:45:22 PM
I was fuming when he brought Mina on. Just goes to show why I'm the man who drinks beers whilst the match is on rather than in the dugout.
my son texted me to ask if Moyse was on the bench   .. I thought he was talking about Kean until he told me it was for bring an extra CB on .....in the end it paid of (unlike a number of DM subs in the last minutes)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2020, 05:57:56 PM
Don’t think he’s doing anything special.

Just getting a lot more out of the squad than previous managers that didnt have a clue.

This squad really isn’t as bad as it’s been made out over the last few years.

We’ve been finishing 8th on a regular basis despite seeing some dreadful football and our managers constantly being on the back foot.

I think Carlo is just bringing us back to the norm of what this squad should be producing.

Fully expecting us to have a good top six challenge next season.

I think for the money spent it's absolutely stinking the gaff out tears in your eyes sting your throat get out the way quick shite.

But the league's fucking rubbish, so some semblance of stability and clue should have us 49-55 points range again. I don't particularly expect us to have a 15-20 point swing and end up in 6th. Mentioned this before but arsenal were fucking horrible last year, and they got 70 points.

Shame they've all cottoned on now but the big boys were set up for a shit year and as usual we were asleep at the wheel and Leicester are having the year we should had (will be viewed as a failure now but if they get top 6 it is a phenomenal achievement)

Get a midfield in place and we'll be looking good.

Get a midfield and more quality throughout and we'll be sniffing at 6th, most likely just a strong 7 tho depending on how wolves Leicester Southampton kick on.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: 74Blue on July 02, 2020, 06:57:51 PM
It's just a breath of fresh air to have a manager who has a plan b and c, rather than one idealogical plan a with no flexibility whatsoever. It's great to see that we now have somebody who can adapt his tactics during a game, to counter the opposition.

Martinez, Silva and Allardyce had no flexibilty at all and Koeman just wasn't arsed. Ancelloti actually looks like he is constantly analysing what is going on in front of him and subtly adapting to changes in order to gain any possible advantage. That is what winners do.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on July 02, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
Read this about Ancelotti? Di Canio has always been a bit simple.

Ancelotti has won more cups than Di Canio has games


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 02, 2020, 07:11:15 PM
There's often an over interpretation of how the game is managed. One lucky break for Leicester and it could all have been very different. Then Carlo would probably have been accused of 'sitting back', 'inviting pressure' and all that crap.

They did get one lucky break... and they scored from it. We still won.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on July 02, 2020, 07:24:14 PM
I think for the money spent it's absolutely stinking the gaff out tears in your eyes sting your throat get out the way quick shite.

But the league's fucking rubbish, so some semblance of stability and clue should have us 49-55 points range again. I don't particularly expect us to have a 15-20 point swing and end up in 6th. Mentioned this before but arsenal were fucking horrible last year, and they got 70 points.

Shame they've all cottoned on now but the big boys were set up for a shit year and as usual we were asleep at the wheel and Leicester are having the year we should had (will be viewed as a failure now but if they get top 6 it is a phenomenal achievement)

Get a midfield in place and we'll be looking good.

Get a midfield and more quality throughout and we'll be sniffing at 6th, most likely just a strong 7 tho depending on how wolves Leicester Southampton kick on.

Leicester have had a lucky year, they’re a perfect example of regression to the mean this year.

First half of the season they massively outperformed xG and now they’re underperforming it.  Wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up 6th after being Top 4 all season
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
Leicester have had a lucky year, they’re a perfect example of regression to the mean this year.

First half of the season they massively outperformed xG and now they’re underperforming it.  Wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up 6th after being Top 4 all season

Yeah I do agree to a large extent, but 6th is still an absolutely phenomenal year.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 02, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
Since he took over we are 5th in form league

Put another way, we're 7-4-3, 25 pts in 14 games.

Over a 38-game season, that's 68 pts. And keeping in mind we've now played Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester under him. Spurs coming up and Dunc got the 2nd United game. Maybe didn't fare great, but with better players and a locked-in system...

68 pts is Champions League, btw.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 02, 2020, 07:40:25 PM
Re the sub yesterday the most obvious thing was that it really did feel like they were going to score again.

It didn’t really afterwards.

The other thing was it didn’t look like we were going to score so with the defensive subs we weren’t  sacrificing our own decent play.

Have been other subs since he’s been here that have taken control back in games, usually midfield ones then.

Biggest factor still is that he’s Ancelotti. People are more willing to accept that he knows what he’s doing (plus an unconscious stereotype that because he’s Italian he must be dead into defending).

Other managers don’t have that.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 02, 2020, 07:43:11 PM
Leicester have had a lucky year, they’re a perfect example of regression to the mean this year.

First half of the season they massively outperformed xG and now they’re underperforming it.  Wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up 6th after being Top 4 all season

They're 13th since Carlo took the reins for us. And they're barely underperforming since then. I've lost count of the number of times I've said they're the most overrated team in the Prem. 39 pts by Boxing Day; 16 pts since then. hahaha take that Die Hard villain.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 02, 2020, 07:46:20 PM
Yeah I do agree to a large extent, but 6th is still an absolutely phenomenal year.

They're averaging barely a shade over 1 pt/game since Boxing Day. They have a very good chance of finishing outside the trad. Europe spots, esp. with United & Wolves on fire, and Spurs with a healthy Kane/Son.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2020, 08:35:51 PM
Re the sub yesterday the most obvious thing was that it really did feel like they were going to score again.

It didn’t really afterwards.

The other thing was it didn’t look like we were going to score so with the defensive subs we weren’t  sacrificing our own decent play.

Have been other subs since he’s been here that have taken control back in games, usually midfield ones then.

Biggest factor still is that he’s Ancelotti. People are more willing to accept that he knows what he’s doing (plus an unconscious stereotype that because he’s Italian he must be dead into defending).

Other managers don’t have that.

all true like, also worth pointing out that kind of performance isn't something I'll personally be willing to accept happily a year or so down the line. Ceding posession and scraping a pen v Leicester at home.

Needs must for the time being and like you say a big party of the reaction is he's got fan buy in for that for now.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 02, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
all true like, also worth pointing out that kind of performance isn't something I'll personally be willing to accept happily a year or so down the line. Ceding posession and scraping a pen v Leicester at home.

Needs must for the time being and like you say a big party of the reaction is he's got fan buy in for that for now.

I mean use of the ball needs to improve whatever.

Don’t mind ceding possession to anyone if you’re very good with the ball when you’ve got it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 02, 2020, 08:58:58 PM
Not sure what the point of discussing this now is? No manager in the world is outplaying Leicester’s midfield with Sigurdsson, Gomes and Davies to choose from.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 02, 2020, 10:25:13 PM
I mean use of the ball needs to improve whatever.

Don’t mind ceding possession to anyone if you’re very good with the ball when you’ve got it.

Speaking of Leicester...didn't they win the Prem with roughly 30% possession for the entire season?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on July 02, 2020, 10:35:27 PM
Hi all! Hope you are all well - first post for a few months! So happy to have football back and really impressed with what I have seen from us so far. I think we have turned up fitter than most other sides and subsequently hit the ground running a lot quicker. I also think not having the Goodison crowd has really helped lift some of the pressure that was there when we have played at home. I look at the Leicester game yesterday, and wonder if the crowd being there might have caused the players to panic once the score went to 2-1.

Leicester don't look like the same team that started the season. Vardy is a big part of their play, and as long as you sit deeper and don't let them counter attack with pace, they struggle.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on July 02, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
It's hard to judge him without any real midfielders of quality at the club.

I presume, at some point in the future, he'd like us to be able to pass the ball, retain the ball and have some sort of a grip on games. I'm imagining he doesn't actually want us to play the way we are, when he has his way.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2020, 12:47:34 AM
Can we start to boo him yet?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 07, 2020, 09:53:45 PM
I think I'd like something like this for the last few games.

Like @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) says, ideally we want to move away from 442 like the rest of the planet. So hopefully he's not hoping to build a 442 here next year.

pickford

Coleman Mina* Holgate Digne

        DM Here+
Davies 

                Iwobi

Richarlison   DCL  Gordon

* Michael Keane has been good in this allardyce style 442, but going forward we don't want him do we?

+ Beni? Delph when he's fit? Can Davies play that role long term? Markelo?

Edit : totally forgot to include Gordon. The most important part of the rest of the year is getting Gordon minutes and getting the players who have a future here time in the positions and system we are moving towards.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 07, 2020, 10:10:03 PM
Pickford
Coleman Mina Holgate Digne
Davies Baningime Gomes
Gordon DCL Richarlison
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on July 07, 2020, 10:20:42 PM
Always felt 442 was a stop gap or merely just part of the repertoire.

Did he not try a bit of 433 last night or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Craig_1878 on July 07, 2020, 10:50:40 PM
I think the issue is more with the personnel than the system tbf.

A 442 system gives us defensive solidity and it gets the best out of our two best attacking outlets up top. With a couple of additions in midfield I think it could be an effective system.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 08, 2020, 12:19:14 AM
I read a worrying post from a Napoli fan where they moaned about Ancelotti playing 442 so I am a bit worried.

Maybe he's got Sacchi in his head or something.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 08, 2020, 12:54:55 AM
I read a worrying post from a Napoli fan where they moaned about Ancelotti playing 442 so I am a bit worried.

Maybe he's got Sacchi in his head or something.

Was never a huge 442 fan when everyone was moaning about Moyes only playing 1 up front but then also Leicester and Atlético have upset the odds playing it.

Dunno

Always feel like it’s roles rather than imagining players bolted together like in table football.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigdunc9 on July 08, 2020, 01:28:10 AM
442 is what got us out of the mess we was in when Dunc took over. Since we went 442 Vs the beginning of the season 433 it's been much better.
But we can't go changing formation based on our result yesterday , we was unlucky with a deflected  goal.

Just my opinion of course which counts for nothing
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: kramer0 on July 08, 2020, 02:06:43 AM
I'm not making any major judgments on the 4-4-2 yet but it's definitely not a good tactic with center midfielders who can't run.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 08, 2020, 02:27:42 AM
It's only a 442 when defending, but in possession its very fluid.

Anyway, Carlo's choice of formation is the least of our worries, we need better players.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Juanito on July 08, 2020, 02:58:50 AM
I don’t think it’s just the two central midfielders, it’s also the left and right wingers who are also midfielders and not forwards. They need to do their defensive duties. We have an abundance of left forwards, not wingers, Richarlison could do it but would be wasted out there.

Saul and Koke at Atletico have work rate, they are physical and composed under pressure. Iwobi for example has the first two.

I like the look of what Arteta has done with Arsenal and his pressing 3-4-3.  I would imagine our current squad fits this system better.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on July 08, 2020, 05:42:34 AM
I think it's hard to get away from the idea that you need two absolutely top drawer players to get away with playing a 2 against 3, most of the time. If we brought those 2 top drawer players in at centre mid, then I'm all on board with the 4-4-2, but our recruitment record isn't stellar.

If we can't get that calibre of player in, I'd prefer us to go more 4-3-3/4-5-1.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 08, 2020, 06:38:09 PM
I think I'd like something like this for the last few games.

Like @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) says, ideally we want to move away from 442 like the rest of the planet. So hopefully he's not hoping to build a 442 here next year.

pickford

Coleman Mina* Holgate Digne

        DM Here+
Davies 

                Iwobi

Richarlison   DCL  Gordon

* Michael Keane has been good in this allardyce style 442, but going forward we don't want him do we?

+ Beni? Delph when he's fit? Can Davies play that role long term? Markelo?

Edit : totally forgot to include Gordon. The most important part of the rest of the year is getting Gordon minutes and getting the players who have a future here time in the positions and system we are moving towards.

Why not Kean? Unless you're saying he doesn't have a future here so no reason to bother getting him the time.

Because there is no XI in the world where I'd be starting Gordon over Kean.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 08, 2020, 06:39:42 PM
I read a worrying post from a Napoli fan where they moaned about Ancelotti playing 442 so I am a bit worried.

Maybe he's got Sacchi in his head or something.

The same 442 that got them to the Champions League twice in 2 years? That one?

I'm not really a fan of the formation either, at least not with our current personnel, but I wouldn't be putting much stock in anything a Napoli fan says about it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 08, 2020, 06:40:37 PM
442 is what got us out of the mess we was in when Dunc took over. Since we went 442 Vs the beginning of the season 433 it's been much better.
But we can't go changing formation based on our result yesterday , we was unlucky with a deflected  goal.

Just my opinion of course which counts for nothing

Do you mean 4231? Because we haven't played 433 all season.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 08, 2020, 06:48:15 PM
Why not Kean? Unless you're saying he doesn't have a future here so no reason to bother getting him the time.

Because there is no XI in the world where I'd be starting Gordon over Kean.

I don't see a place for him to be quite honest, I think he will be moved on at a loss.

He's an asset we've spent huge amount on and should 100% be investing time in him to protect as an asset and develop for next year, but the only space he can take is like you say Gordon, which would be a huge shame.

Not because I think Gordon's better, but because he's a more realistic long term asset at Everton football club.

I'd be really happy to see jean get minutes, I just struggle to see where he will play.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 08, 2020, 06:56:43 PM
I don't see a place for him to be quite honest, I think he will be moved on at a loss.

He's an asset we've spent huge amount on and should 100% be investing time in him to protect as an asset and develop for next year, but the only space he can take is like you say Gordon, which would be a huge shame.

Not because I think Gordon's better, but because he's a more realistic long term asset at Everton football club.

I'd be really happy to see jean get minutes, I just struggle to see where he will play.

Fair enough, at least you have your reasons.

For me personally, it would be a horrible shame if we bailed on what is obviously a huge, albeit raw, young talent because Gordon showed some effort over ~200 minutes and is from Liverpool itself.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 08, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Fair enough, at least you have your reasons.

For me personally, it would be a horrible shame if we bailed on what is obviously a huge, albeit raw, young talent because Gordon showed some effort over ~200 minutes and is from Liverpool itself.

I can understand it absolutely, and ideally I'd rather not choose between the two. There are older and poorer players who should be sacrificed first.

Kean is a massive massive talent who I definitely believe in as a player. But the boss doesn't seem to back him too much, maybe just because positionally we rely on DCL and Rich so much he can't really drop one.

Interesting to see Gordon used in the middle at the end of the game.

Maybe if we stick with 442 play kean off DCL, Gordon and Iwobi sharing a wide berth/getting moved inside with Richarlison on the other flank.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 08, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
I can understand it absolutely, and ideally I'd rather not choose between the two. There are older and poorer players who should be sacrificed first.

Kean is a massive massive talent who I definitely believe in as a player. But the boss doesn't seem to back him too much, maybe just because positionally we rely on DCL and Rich so much he can't really drop one.

Interesting to see Gordon used in the middle at the end of the game.

Maybe if we stick with 442 play kean off DCL, Gordon and Iwobi sharing a wide berth/getting moved inside with Richarlison on the other flank.

I think the real problem is that in order to get Kean into a position where he could even possibly contribute - really CF with 2 or 3 up top - we'd have to sacrifice the role of our best player, Richy (obv).

Until we have a legit boss midfield and could confidently move to a 433, it's going to be difficult for us to ever find a home for Kean.

It would still be over Gordon though 😉
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on July 08, 2020, 07:26:17 PM
I have to believe that Ancelotti sees the horror show of our midfield, and intends to completely overhaul it in the next couple of windows, given that he was a midfielder himself.

If he doesn't do that, and we're still muddling through this time next year, I'd have serious doubts about the fella.
Title: Re: Carlo's Way
Post by: bigdunc9 on July 09, 2020, 12:59:53 AM
Yes
Do you mean 4231? Because we haven't played 433 all season.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 04:17:02 AM
Difficult to watch at the moment.

It's not like we've had other options for the rest of the year, so I'm not sure why now it feels especially like we are grinding along on this midfield like a knee with no cartlidge?

I know obviously I've had a moan like everyone else after spurs and that tonight, but you drop a decent midfielder into that side and it would be hugely transformative.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2020, 04:17:59 AM
Difficult to watch at the moment.

It's not like we've had other options for the rest of the year, so I'm not sure why now it feels especially like we are grinding along on this midfield like a knee with no cartlidge?

I know obviously I've had a moan like everyone else after spurs and that tonight, but you drop a decent midfielder into that side and it would be hugely transformative.

Generally had Delph or Schneiderlin playing before I think
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 04:29:28 AM
Generally had Delph or Schneiderlin playing before I think

Oh god yeah I forgot about schneiderlin.

To be absolutely fair to him, as horrible as he is in possession, he's an actual defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: april on July 10, 2020, 04:39:00 AM
Four matches left. I picture Carlo telling the players “I want 15 points from these last four games”. Tom Davies starts to say “But boss, it’s...” before Seamus interrupts.
“Yes boss”. Mr Ancelotti nods, and leaves the room in silence.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Craig_1878 on July 10, 2020, 01:57:32 PM
Nice video out today on Milan's tactics under Ancelotti during the year they won the Champions League.

I can't wait to get this season out of the way and let him build a team in his vision. The future is very bright.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Nice video out today on Milan's tactics under Ancelotti during the year they won the Champions League.

I can't wait to get this season out of the way and let him build a team in his vision. The future is very bright.


Anything from the last decade or so?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Craig_1878 on July 10, 2020, 03:46:50 PM
Anything from the last decade or so?

Yes, another champions league (one of only a few managers to win 3 times) and several other league and cup titles in various different countries.

I don't know how anybody could complain about him, we are insanely lucky to have him. We literally could not attract a better manager, I know we are not setting the world alight but Ancelotti is most definitely not the problem, and anyone who thinks so is a moron of gargantuan proportions.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 04:08:19 PM
Yes, another champions league (one of only a few managers to win 3 times) and several other league and cup titles in various different countries.

I don't know how anybody could complain about him, we are insanely lucky to have him. We literally could not attract a better manager, I know we are not setting the world alight but Ancelotti is most definitely not the problem, and anyone who thinks so is a moron of gargantuan proportions.

I mean tactic covered from the last decade or so.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2020, 04:15:28 PM
Let’s not get into the habit of blaming everyone but Carlo.

If you’ve been happy with a 442 low block, Burnley type way of playing then fair enough.

A lot more positives than negatives but the goodwill will soon disappear if he doesn’t change the system.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Craig_1878 on July 10, 2020, 04:20:55 PM
I mean tactic covered from the last decade or so.

Haha what a fool, I read that completely wrong so apologies my man.

Tifo do some really good stuff like the video above if you're interested. They also did a breakdown of his tactics for Everton a few months ago too.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 04:21:06 PM
Let’s not get into the habit of blaming everyone but Carlo.

If you’ve been happy with a 442 low block, Burnley type way of playing then fair enough.

A lot more positives than negatives but the goodwill will soon disappear if he doesn’t change the system.

In a way i am looking forward to the point in time in which I, a man who didn't get picked for his school team, will get to say 'this ancelotti is fuckin clueless'.

I think it is what it is, he's inhereted a mess and the performances are messy.

Side note on performances. Attached are non set piece chances created outside the top 6. Not one single Everton player.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: van der Meyde on July 10, 2020, 04:33:44 PM
In a way i am looking forward to the point in time in which I, a man who didn't get picked for his school team, will get to say 'this ancelotti is fuckin clueless'.

I think it is what it is, he's inhereted a mess and the performances are messy.

Side note on performances. Attached are non set piece chances created outside the top 6. Not one single Everton player.
If he carries on like he has done, then Gordon would be 3rd on that list.

When you're relying on a 19 year old kid though, you're in trouble aren't ya.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
Pick

Coleman Mina Holgate Digne

       Beni
Davies
              Iwobi

Richarlison Kean Gordon



Pick

Coleman Keane Holgate Digne

Beni Gomes

Rich  DCL Kean Gordon
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 07:21:55 PM
Nice video out today on Milan's tactics under Ancelotti during the year they won the Champions League.

I can't wait to get this season out of the way and let him build a team in his vision. The future is very bright.


Bring back the Xmas tree!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
Let’s not get into the habit of blaming everyone but Carlo.

If you’ve been happy with a 442 low block, Burnley type way of playing then fair enough.

A lot more positives than negatives but the goodwill will soon disappear if he doesn’t change the system.

Right. Guy has literally succeeded everywhere, with multiple systems, with players of different levels of quality & different expectations. But it'll be his fault due to "stubbornness" if Everton can't succeed with the dross he's been given.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: NickNack on July 10, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
Ancelotti knows what he’s doing and I don’t see how he can take any blame for anything that has happened since he arrived. We’re shit because on the whole we’ve signed shit players. That’s on Martinez, Koeman, Walsh, Allardyce, Silva and Brands. Because of them and his own apparent lack of football knowledge Moshiri has wasted most of the cash he’s spent on players since he’s been here. Brands has got some work to do this summer to turn it round - we’re a lot more than one decent midfielder away from being a top 8 side.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2020, 08:01:41 PM
Right. Guy has literally succeeded everywhere, with multiple systems, with players of different levels of quality & different expectations. But it'll be his fault due to "stubbornness" if Everton can't succeed with the dross he's been given.

How have you got that from what I posted?

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 10, 2020, 08:12:22 PM
How have you got that from what I posted?

It's kind of what you said/inferred?

"let's not get into the habit of blaming everyone but Carlo" - he deserves blame too
"If you’ve been happy with a 442 low block, Burnley type way of playing then fair enough." - the system which doesn't work is on him
"A lot more positives than negatives but the goodwill will soon disappear if he doesn’t change the system." - shine will soon be off the pig if he continues to be stubborn (and somehow get more out of the players)

What did I misinterpret? Carlo doesn't deserve 'goodwill,' he deserves a medal for attempting to fix this.
Title: my 2 cents..
Post by: formerKHL on July 10, 2020, 09:07:39 PM
watching us the last few games we've been awful......no midfield...no possession..no through ball passes...forwards starved....some panic defending when in our box...…very boring and predictable...

the midfield is plain to see not good enough and Ancellotti can only pick what he's got available...I understand that...BUT...

to me we look like a team in almost in awe of ancelleotti and cant believe they're playing for a world class manager of his stature...as players, they look to me scared to try anything he doesn't want them too....until he changes it (usually) at half time and then the performance improves slightly as they obviously get licence to be less rigid in their positions...

the gaps between the lines are massive and causing us problems....there's no cohesion between the thirds...just big gaps...there's no 3rd man running from midfield...(there's no running forward from midfield) no support to our our forwards...everytime we get forward there's usually DCL or richy isolated up front...our wide players don't take full backs on....but our full backs do...our forwards use most of their energy running across the line to defend and track back to defend.....and have to constantly come short to show for the ball....DCL is going backwards a s a striker I think at the minute...

these are obviously carlo's tactics and I can only suggest his methodology for this is to see what he has to play with before the transfer market opens ??... however, this is leaving us as a team with no football philosophy at all...no methodology and teams have got our play and tactics sussed...…

the spine of the team is the most important component...Goalie..centre half...centre mid...centre forward....at the minute you could easily argue we haven't got a rigid spine... certainly 3/4 of that spine is missing.....

realistically.....he could get rid of everyone apart from richarlison if he wanted to......the big question is...WILL HE....and will he be given the support and money to do it.....

because unless it improves next season.....this cant go on and something has to give...

my 2 cents....
Title: Re: my 2 cents..
Post by: phillyt on July 10, 2020, 11:09:22 PM
I think the problem lies simply in the fact we have no midfield of any note. Gomes has been appalling lately, I’m thinking that’s down to coming back from his injury into such an intensive period. Davies at times seems like a good player but is weak and brushed off the ball to easily. I genuinely can’t see why baningame doesn’t get a run out. Without a midfield the defence gets no protection but is functioning reasonably well. And the forwards are barely getting any real chances but they are doing well with the ones they get.

The spurs game was an odd one tbh I’ll not pretend to think we played well but was it the disastrous show people made out?  Spurs played a perfect mourinho game. They got there noses in front, dropped deep and tried to hit us on the break and we didn’t have nearly enough to get thru that, last night we were poor but what I liked is the fact the players/manager decided trying to bypass the midfield was the way forward.

A fit Gomes and a more combative midfielder go a long way to solving our issues I think.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: van der Meyde on July 11, 2020, 12:24:55 AM
Generally had Delph or Schneiderlin playing before I think
Yeah, broadly think that basically every time we've had someone able to hold that position in there, we've been fine.

Nobody's gonna claim that Sigurdsson is anywhere near good enough for that position, but since the restart we've been far more solid with him in the side than without. He just doesn't get ragged around or bypassed anywhere near as easily.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 11, 2020, 01:13:10 AM
Yeah, broadly think that basically every time we've had someone able to hold that position in there, we've been fine.

Nobody's gonna claim that Sigurdsson is anywhere near good enough for that position, but since the restart we've been far more solid with him in the side than without. He just doesn't get ragged around or bypassed anywhere near as easily.

Yes given he’s very slow you have to assume that his positioning is very good.

He’ll cut off more angles than the others.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigmanbob on July 11, 2020, 04:16:50 AM
Let’s not get into the habit of blaming everyone but Carlo.

If you’ve been happy with a 442 low block, Burnley type way of playing then fair enough.

A lot more positives than negatives but the goodwill will soon disappear if he doesn’t change the system.
So by that are you inferring that the last two performances are down to Carlo's? Three games ago he was the best manager on current form? Madness. Lets see out the season pans out and see what recruitment happens before we start slagging him, his team formations (WTF???) and the man himself out. If you can't see that he's trying things out and trying to get a feeling if players can adapt to his methods then quite frankly you don't know your arse from your elbow
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on July 11, 2020, 06:37:08 PM
Good graphic here from Echo's tactics guy, shows how much reliance we have on our 2 strikers

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecj1AikXoAIklN2?format=png)

The whole midfield contribution together just about adds to half if DCL's total
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on July 11, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
Pretty clear we are playing 4-4-2 to make the most of our decent attackers more than anything else. The only other system that accomadates Calvert Lewin and Richarlison is 3-5-2 which given injuries to Holgate and Mina isn't advisable
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on July 11, 2020, 07:01:24 PM
Good graphic here from Echo's tactics guy, shows how much reliance we have on our 2 strikers

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecj1AikXoAIklN2?format=png)

The whole midfield contribution together just about adds to half if DCL's total

Horrendous stuff.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2020, 07:21:27 PM
It's kind of what you said/inferred?

"let's not get into the habit of blaming everyone but Carlo" - he deserves blame too
"If you’ve been happy with a 442 low block, Burnley type way of playing then fair enough." - the system which doesn't work is on him
"A lot more positives than negatives but the goodwill will soon disappear if he doesn’t change the system." - shine will soon be off the pig if he continues to be stubborn (and somehow get more out of the players)

What did I misinterpret? Carlo doesn't deserve 'goodwill,' he deserves a medal for attempting to fix this.

So by that are you inferring that the last two performances are down to Carlo's? Three games ago he was the best manager on current form? Madness. Lets see out the season pans out and see what recruitment happens before we start slagging him, his team formations (WTF???) and the man himself out. If you can't see that he's trying things out and trying to get a feeling if players can adapt to his methods then quite frankly you don't know your arse from your elbow

Point I’m making is if he continues to play such a negative system then the goodwill will soon go.

I understand his hands are tied behind his back in terms of what he can do with the players at hand, but I’m not convinced we had to go with such a negative way of playing.

We’ve been a much better when we’ve changed to the 532.

I’m not blaming him in anyway. We’ve got 8 points out of a possible 15, and with the fixtures we’ve had that’s a good return. There’s nothing to blame him for.

Just slight concern at how we’ve set up in some games.

I’m sure when he gets better players we’ll see us play on the front foot a lot more.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 11, 2020, 07:30:05 PM
Point I’m making is if he continues to play such a negative system then the goodwill will soon go.

I understand his hands are tied behind his back in terms of what he can do with the players at hand, but I’m not convinced we had to go with such a negative way of playing.

We’ve been a much better when we’ve changed to the 532.

I’m not blaming him in anyway. We’ve got 8 points out of a possible 15, and with the fixtures we’ve had that’s a good return. There’s nothing to blame him for.

Just slight concern at how we’ve set up in some games.

I’m sure when he gets better players we’ll see us play on the front foot a lot more.

Honestly that says a lot more about Evertonians than anything else.

Maybe he's just trying to build the hatred of these players to a fever pitch so he'll be rightfully lauded when he runs them out of town. 😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 11, 2020, 07:44:59 PM
I've no problem at all with Ancelotti. Look at the state of the squad, it's like asking a Michelin star chef to make a 7 course meal then handing him a Netto bag with baked beans, spam and a pickle.

Our strength is our two strikers. He's made us organised and we play direct. To be honest I'd like to see even more long balls, because it's the only way we're gonna create something against the decent sides.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 11, 2020, 09:22:25 PM
Point I’m making is if he continues to play such a negative system then the goodwill will soon go.

I understand his hands are tied behind his back in terms of what he can do with the players at hand, but I’m not convinced we had to go with such a negative way of playing.

We’ve been a much better when we’ve changed to the 532.

I’m not blaming him in anyway. We’ve got 8 points out of a possible 15, and with the fixtures we’ve had that’s a good return. There’s nothing to blame him for.

Just slight concern at how we’ve set up in some games.

I’m sure when he gets better players we’ll see us play on the front foot a lot more.

We’ve been more solid with 3 at the back but that’s just because we’ve had more people further back, not because we were being more negative with 442.

People really shouldn’t be having an issue with being less on the front foot in these games.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 12:57:08 AM
Honestly that says a lot more about Evertonians than anything else.

Maybe he's just trying to build the hatred of these players to a fever pitch so he'll be rightfully lauded when he runs them out of town. 😂

That sounds a bit patronising towards Evertonians, chief.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 01:04:38 AM
That sounds a bit patronising towards Evertonians, chief.

Ignoring the fact that I AM one myself, tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 01:15:00 AM
Ignoring the fact that I AM one myself, tell me I'm wrong.

Yeah, you’re wrong.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 01:38:36 AM
Yeah, you’re wrong.

Well, I did ask you to tell me. lolol

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on July 12, 2020, 01:40:18 AM
I'm not sure what Ram said there that was so objectionable. He's just projecting into the future, and pointing out that we need to be more progressive, even with a great manager, but then he moderates the thought by acknowledging that he's done well with what he has, and probably will be more offensive if/when the players are better.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 12, 2020, 01:45:43 AM
Well, I did ask you to tell me. lolol

 :thumbsup:

Yup, blunt as a cunt 🤗
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on July 12, 2020, 02:16:37 AM
Yup, blunt as a cunt 🤗

Beautiful
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Verm on July 12, 2020, 03:30:04 AM
Would thoroughly recommend his latest book if anyone wants to know a little more about him and his management style.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 04:03:00 AM
Would thoroughly recommend his latest book if anyone wants to know a little more about him and his management style.

I've recommended it roughly 100 times. I don't think anyone's listened to me yet lolol
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
My hope at this point is that Carlo has his vision and plans for moving forward (he definitely does), and is now going through the roster and saying:

[player A] - yup
[player B] - nope
[player C] - nope
[player D] - yup
[player E] - nope

And so forth.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2020, 10:03:49 PM
Hate to be a professor in body language but digne during the debacle is giving of big Get Me On Fucking Holiday Now vibes throughout

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/hptmef/wolves_20_everton_pickford_goal_line_save/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2020, 10:06:37 PM
Hate to be a professor in body language but digne during the debacle is giving of big Get Me On Fucking Holiday Now vibes throughout

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/hptmef/wolves_20_everton_pickford_goal_line_save/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Wouldn’t read too much into that. He was still upset at minor free kicks given away etc
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2020, 10:07:57 PM
Wouldn’t read too much into that. He was still upset at minor free kicks given away etc

Asked my mate who watched it and he said gave a pen away, got skinned badly here and was still out MOTM.

Just seemed indicative to me a little bit of a side that are waiting for the bell now really.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2020, 10:12:25 PM
Asked my mate who watched it and he said gave a pen away, got skinned badly here and was still out MOTM.

Just seemed indicative to me a little bit of a side that are waiting for the bell now really.

The side aren’t the only ones :)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 12, 2020, 10:23:07 PM
My hope at this point is that Carlo has his vision and plans for moving forward (he definitely does), and is now going through the roster and saying:

[player A] - yup
[player B] - nope
[player C] - nope
[player D] - yup
[player E] - nope

And so forth.


Nope
Nope
Nope
Fuck no
Jesus hell Christ no
Nope
Definitely not
Nope
Shitting hell no
DCL
Richarlison
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 10:23:48 PM

Nope
Nope
Nope
Fuck no
Jesus hell Christ no
Nope
Definitely not
Nope
Shitting hell no

Which one of these is Pickford?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 12, 2020, 10:25:48 PM
Which one of these is Pickford?

That's all of the things he wrote next to Pickford's name 😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 12, 2020, 10:31:23 PM
That's all of the things he wrote next to Pickford's name 😂

My man. Took all season but you've finally come to your senses.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 12, 2020, 10:59:43 PM
My man. Took all season but you've finally come to your senses.

He's not giving much to work with as a counter argument is he... Twice it's gone through his legs in the past few games which is criminal on its own, and that's without even mentioning the other errors!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on July 12, 2020, 11:20:31 PM
He should be having conversations with Brands and Moshiri, giving them a list of the players he wants
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on July 13, 2020, 04:53:08 PM
My hope at this point is that Carlo has his vision and plans for moving forward (he definitely does), and is now going through the roster and saying:

[player A] - yup
[player B] - nope
[player C] - nope
[player D] - yup
[player E] - nope

And so forth.
Too many yups on that list for my liking...


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Ramjam on July 13, 2020, 04:55:30 PM
Too many yups on that list for my liking...


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 13, 2020, 07:30:47 PM
Too many yups on that list for my liking...


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Juanito on July 14, 2020, 12:59:15 AM
Can’t see why he keeps playing 4-4-2 when he only has central midfielders that can’t run very fast or tackle opponents.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 14, 2020, 01:09:34 AM
This thread is groundhog day the movie.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 14, 2020, 01:10:29 AM
This thread is groundhog day the movie.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 14, 2020, 01:29:59 AM
Can’t see why he keeps playing 4-4-2 when he only has central midfielders that can’t run very fast or tackle opponents.

He tried 3-5-2 against Wolves and that was even worse.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 14, 2020, 01:33:18 AM
The route to success seems to be employing the right manager and giving them enough time to make their methods and players they've chosen to buy work.

It sounds simple but we've been terrible at it post Moyse.  We generally tend to employ the wrong manager and although Moshiri is pretty ruthless you could argue Martinez (ok mainly pre-Moshiri), Koeman and Silva all got more time than they deserved.

We finally have the right manager, and he will be given time... Just need to get this season over with and let him start working on making us far more competitive next.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2020, 01:42:46 AM
He tried 3-5-2 against Wolves and that was even worse.

And 4-3-3 for 10 minutes, where we only conceded from a set-piece.

He then went back to 4-4-2, where we could’ve conceded 4 goals in 35 minutes, just like when we played it in the first 45 mimutes against Southampton, and we could’ve easily gone in at the half trailing 1-4.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 14, 2020, 02:04:55 AM
And 4-3-3 for 10 minutes, where we only conceded from a set-piece.

He then went back to 4-4-2, where we could’ve conceded 4 goals in 35 minutes, just like when we played it in the first 45 mimutes against Southampton, and we could’ve easily gone in at the half trailing 1-4.

He should try 8-1-1. Might be able to get a tune of this squad.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2020, 02:06:50 AM
He should try 8-1-1. Might be able to get a tune of this squad.

He’s not allowed, that’s a patented Allardyce formation.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 14, 2020, 02:09:08 AM
He’s not allowed, that’s a patented Allardyce formation.

He stole it from the Italians! The ol' catenaccio. Throw 'em all back there & hoof it to Chinaglia!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2020, 02:15:34 AM
He stole it from the Italians! The ol' catenaccio. Throw 'em all back there & hoof it to Chinaglia!

That was Sam Allardici (“Not my words, Carol, the words of Sam Allardyce”)

His best formation was against LFC in the cup where he played our wingers with our full-backs in a back 6.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2020, 08:35:29 PM
Looking back at Riley's season preview on statsbomb.

Some good calls in there which inevitably have born out, some havent of course, and he was a lot more positive on Silva than I remember!

Delph largely a waste of time. Gomes average. Replacement for Gueye needed despite it being a good sell. DCL good. Brands/structure question marks. Right back question marks. Midfield glaring issue with a gylfi sized elephant.

https://statsbomb.com/2019/08/everton-2019-20-season-preview/
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2020, 11:44:45 PM
The route to success seems to be employing the right manager and giving them enough time to make their methods and players they've chosen to buy work.

It sounds simple but we've been terrible at it post Moyse.  We generally tend to employ the wrong manager and although Moshiri is pretty ruthless you could argue Martinez (ok mainly pre-Moshiri), Koeman and Silva all got more time than they deserved.

We finally have the right manager, and he will be given time... Just need to get this season over with and let him start working on making us far more competitive next.

Have we got the right manager? We've certainly got a very good one who comes with as good a track record as you could possibly want, but time will tell if it works or not and that's not necessarily a reflection on Carlo.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 16, 2020, 12:45:07 AM
Have we got the right manager? We've certainly got a very good one who comes with as good a track record as you could possibly want, but time will tell if it works or not and that's not necessarily a reflection on Carlo.

I think we do in all honesty, but for it to work we definitely need all parts of the club to be clicking together instead of all being separate entities pulling in various directions.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2020, 09:30:17 PM
https://twitter.com/SBunching/status/1283846740282683399?s=20
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on July 19, 2020, 09:48:15 PM
https://twitter.com/SBunching/status/1283846740282683399?s=20

I fully agree and fear we have a manager who’s system is ten years out of date.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2020, 12:02:51 AM
I fully agree and fear we have a manager who’s system is ten years out of date.

It isn’t out of date defensively.

And he’s often talking about the team needing to be flexible re formations/ approaches with the ball.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 20, 2020, 12:06:44 AM
Do tell me how we have the players to play anything that isn't 4-4-2 then?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2020, 12:10:00 AM
Do tell me how we have the players to play anything that isn't 4-4-2 then?


Yes we can get by with other formations, but it’s fudging CM through just having more people in there.

Although that would of course be short termism
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 12:12:25 AM
Do tell me how we have the players to play anything that isn't 4-4-2 then?


We’d be more suited to playing 5-3-2; extra defensive body, chance for Mina, Holgate, or Branthwaite to get all Beckenbauer, more licence for our FB’s to burst forward, an extra midfield body, also the chance to play an AM, and still being able to keep our two up top.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 20, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
Yes we can get by with other formations, but it’s fudging CM through just having more people in there.

Although that would of course be short termism

I responding to the article. It's obvious we play 4-4-2 because the only players who can contribute anything in attack is DCL and Richarlison. Our CMs and Wingers are dreadful.

The thing that happens by changing formation whether it be with one up front or three at the back is making it even less likely we score goals.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 20, 2020, 12:15:16 AM
We’d be more suited to playing 5-3-2; extra defensive body, chance for Mina, Holgate, or Branthwaite to get all Beckenbauer, more licence for our FB’s to burst forward, an extra midfield body, also the chance to play an AM, and still being able to keep our two up top.

It would still just be down to Digne, DCL and Richarlison to actually do anything. Coleman isn't doing anything regardless of how much forward freedom you give him.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 20, 2020, 12:54:59 AM
It would still just be down to Digne, DCL and Richarlison to actually do anything. Coleman isn't doing anything regardless of how much forward freedom you give him.

So basically, hope Digne can put in a good cross and 1 of those 2 can get a head on it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2020, 12:59:32 AM
I mean, yous are talking like 442 is working which it hasn't since Leicester (barely).

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2020, 01:08:43 AM
I mean, yous are talking like 442 is working which it hasn't since Leicester (barely).



No, but if the basic structures need to be in place it would make sense to be using that now, in time for the new players who can play it ( ;) ), rather than using other ones just to bumble through these games with a few points more.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2020, 01:44:32 AM
I mean, yous are talking like 442 is working which it hasn't since Leicester (barely).
It’s got us enough points to comfortably stay up, whilst helping us identify EXACTLY what areas of the pitch we need to address. It’s also helped us to categorically identity who’s arsed and who’s simply not good enough. There’s no hiding in a 4-4-2.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 02:26:57 AM
It would still just be down to Digne, DCL and Richarlison to actually do anything. Coleman isn't doing anything regardless of how much forward freedom you give him.

Yes, whilst not being numerically raped in the centre of the pitch, and allowing someone like Iwobi, Bernard, or Gordon to be more of a roaming AM and an influence centrally, rather than varying shades of a winger who isn’t overly great.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2020, 02:32:08 AM
No, but if the basic structures need to be in place it would make sense to be using that now, in time for the new players who can play it ( ;) ), rather than using other ones just to bumble through these games with a few points more.

If this the structure for going forward then even worse 🤷
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2020, 02:43:05 AM
If this the structure for going forward then even worse 🤷

Why if we have players who can play it?

I mean we could want the back 4 to have practice with this shape, or the front two etc
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2020, 02:49:59 AM
A lot of 442 snobbery around here


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2020, 02:59:56 AM
Why if we have players who can play it?

I mean we could want the back 4 to have practice with this shape, or the front two etc

Fully endorse us playing the system he wants us to play long term.

Don't love the idea of us playing 442 long term.

Was kiiiinda under the impression he was playing 442 because it's a good option for a squad lacking quality and time on the training pitch.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2020, 03:09:46 AM
We’d be more suited to playing 5-3-2; extra defensive body, chance for Mina, Holgate, or Branthwaite to get all Beckenbauer, more licence for our FB’s to burst forward, an extra midfield body, also the chance to play an AM, and still being able to keep our two up top.

I know it was a long time ago but Burnley away a few years ago. I think we had Sigurdsson and Gomes in the middle of the park and we won 5-1 a 3-4-3 formation.  Burnley were poor then but I think it offers more protection than 4-4-2 when we currently don’t have any defensive midfielders.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 20, 2020, 03:18:17 AM
Fully endorse us playing the system he wants us to play long term.

Don't love the idea of us playing 442 long term.

Was kiiiinda under the impression he was playing 442 because it's a good option for a squad lacking quality and time on the training pitch.

I think it's the other way around.

You buy/acquire players to fit a system. Right now he's stuck with inserting players who can't play that system, and quite frankly, haven't proven they can play any other system effectively either. For me it's a wait & see. If the club backs him, and they can get the players he wants and/or needs to fit his system, it won't look like it has this past month.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2020, 03:24:51 AM
Fully endorse us playing the system he wants us to play long term.

Don't love the idea of us playing 442 long term.

Was kiiiinda under the impression he was playing 442 because it's a good option for a squad lacking quality and time on the training pitch.

Haven’t been enamoured with 442 in the past when there was frequently criticism of Moyes for only playing 1 striker.

But then having thought about it both Leicester and Atlético have upset the odds using it recently.

But but with us, if players stand rigidly in position then it’s not great I agree.

He seems pretty clear that it’s only defensively that he really likes it with this group of players. Offensively we’ve had more subtle tweaks in the better performances which I assume are more easily spotted in those games because the players played well and were able to carry out the instructions.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Heisenberg on July 20, 2020, 03:26:46 AM
When you look at heat maps most modern formations end up looking pretty similar to a 442 anyway
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 03:34:52 AM
I know it was a long time ago but Burnley away a few years ago. I think we had Sigurdsson and Gomes in the middle of the park and we won 5-1 a 3-4-3 formation.  Burnley were poor then but I think it offers more protection than 4-4-2 when we currently don’t have any defensive midfielders.

We also did it this season against them at Goodison under Ancelotti (was it his first game?) and Coleman was right-sided CB, with Sidibe and Digne as WB’s, and Bernard as AM behind DCL and Richarlison (although Google wrongly says we were 442 that day, we weren’t) and we actually had 20 shots to their 5, and 67% possession, kinda the opposite of what we’ve been getting post-lockdown, with 442.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2020, 03:36:22 AM
We also did it this season against them at Goodison under Ancelotti (was it his first game?) and Coleman was right-sided CB, with Sidibe and Digne as WB’s, and Bernard as AM behind DCL and Richarlison (although Google wrongly says we were 442 that day, we weren’t) and we actually had 20 shots to their 5, and 67% possession, kinda the opposite of what we’ve been getting post-lockdown, with 442.

Yes. We were 442 without the ball, predominantly but very much 343 with it that day
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2020, 03:36:30 AM
Haven’t been enamoured with 442 in the past when there was frequently criticism of Moyes for only playing 1 striker.

But then having thought about it both Leicester and Atlético have upset the odds using it recently.

But but with us, if players stand rigidly in position then it’s not great I agree.

He seems pretty clear that it’s only defensively that he really likes it with this group of players. Offensively we’ve had more subtle tweaks in the better performances which I assume are more easily spotted in those games because the players played well and were able to carry out the instructions.

Well if it is the case I hope Andre Gomes is as far away from the line up as possible next year.

I will admit that partly it is my own anxiety and preconceived ideas around 442. I understand that build up can be different and 442 doesn't mean they're going to be set up like fussball table players on sticks, but it has... connotations.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 20, 2020, 03:37:46 AM
We also did it this season against them at Goodison under Ancelotti (was it his first game?) and Coleman was right-sided CB, with Sidibe and Digne as WB’s, and Bernard as AM behind DCL and Richarlison (although Google wrongly says we were 442 that day, we weren’t) and we actually had 20 shots to their 5, and 67% possession, kinda the opposite of what we’ve been getting post-lockdown, with 442.

Was that the game where Bernard looked so good cutting inside when we had the ball?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 03:42:05 AM
Yes. We were 442 without the ball, predominantly but very much 343 with it that day



Yeah, and I’ve barely seen it since.

We were more solid at the back, and Bernard intelligently played the AM role.

Since then, our 442 has pretty much been as rigid as Peter North dying at the coalface.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 20, 2020, 03:42:24 AM
Remember how Moshiri was desperate to get Simeone in as manager, who plays 4-4-2?

Maybe the idea is get a good squad playing 4-4-2 under Ancelloti in to the top 4.  When he decides to quit we bring in Simeone and everything is in place... Just like we've all been saying for years, that there needs to be a set system and we hire managers that play it so we have continuity.

I mean I don't believe any of what I just typed above, but thought it'd be good to throw a different opinion across 😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 03:43:10 AM
Was that the game where Bernard looked so good cutting inside when we had the ball?

Yeah, that was the one.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2020, 03:49:53 AM

Yeah, and I’ve barely seen it since.

We were more solid at the back, and Bernard intelligently played the AM role.

Since then, our 442 has pretty much been as rigid as Peter North dying at the coalface.

That one with Bernard was more in the Newcastle match I think
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 03:50:42 AM
That one with Bernard was more in the Newcastle match I think

Both, to my mind.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 20, 2020, 03:51:36 AM
Both, to my mind.

Was just about to say that. I remember there were 2 where we were all jazzed about Bernard's performances.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2020, 03:56:35 AM
Was just about to say that. I remember there were 2 where we were all jazzed about Bernard's performances.

Yeah, those two games, mos def.

He was also great in an almost ‘double/twin 8’ role with Wobes when we shat all over West Ham and Declan “Just Call Me Dec” Rice.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on July 20, 2020, 01:32:07 PM
Yeah, those two games, mos def.

He was also great in an almost ‘double/twin 8’ role with Wobes when we shat all over West Ham and Declan “Just Call Me Dec” Rice.

Mos Def.

Nice.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 20, 2020, 07:11:46 PM
Mos Def.

Nice.

You rang?

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2020, 02:06:26 AM
Well, we wouldn’t have been comfortable 1-0 winners away to Sheff United playing 442. Gomes was transformed.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 21, 2020, 02:19:18 AM
Well, we wouldn’t have been comfortable 1-0 winners away to Sheff United playing 442. Gomes was transformed.

You're like a dog with a bone lolol
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2020, 02:23:28 AM
You're like a dog with a bone lolol

We all are tbf.

I’m right, though.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on July 21, 2020, 02:25:39 AM
Well, we wouldn’t have been comfortable 1-0 winners away to Sheff United playing 442. Gomes was transformed.

If we have two proper top notch centre mids, sound, crack on with the 442. But we're not going to have that. So yeah, three in the middle please.

Not even averse to a cheeky 3-5-2, if he wants to get 2 strikers in.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on July 21, 2020, 02:30:10 AM
Ancelloti walking in to this club will have looked at some of these players and thought 'what the absolute fuck!'.

Previous managers were always making a step up and would have been thinking 'damn these players are good'.

Makes me hugely confident that we'll be getting the players we need because he will be under no illusions that certain players aren't good enough.

I think he's playing Sig for example purely to put him in the shop window, and that assist certainly won't do any harm!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2020, 02:38:36 AM
If we have two proper top notch centre mids, sound, crack on with the 442. But we're not going to have that. So yeah, three in the middle please.

Not even averse to a cheeky 3-5-2, if he wants to get 2 strikers in.

Bang on.

Even two excellent CM’s would be under the cosh a lot with that formation, in this league.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Ramjam on July 21, 2020, 07:27:11 AM
Ancelloti walking in to this club will have looked at some of these players and thought 'what the absolute fuck!'.

Previous managers were always making a step up and would have been thinking 'damn these players are good'.

Makes me hugely confident that we'll be getting the players we need because he will be under no illusions that certain players aren't good enough.

I think he's playing Sig for example purely to put him in the shop window, and that assist certainly won't do any harm!
Some great points there Andy, couldn’t agree more.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on July 21, 2020, 10:42:04 PM
Having options down the right in the Walcott and Sidibe makes a massive difference to our attack.

Walcott doesn't always have any end product but he gets into dangerous positions more than Iwobi and that means the central midfielders don't always have to go one way and our play doesn't become one-dimensional.

Sidibe is also very good at progressing the ball up the field when it comes out to him, not to mention a fantastic cross on him. Shame he can't defend like.

Makes me think recruiting for these positions is just as important as recruiting for CM
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on July 25, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
Some good insights here on what Carlo thinks of Everton from an interview with ESPN Brazil - the interview videos are in English.

- Wants us to follow a restructuring and growth project similar to Liverpool
- Wants Richarlison to improve outside the box
- His "honeymoon" with the crowd
- A team without "superstars"
- "For a coach, success is not just about raising cups. Seeing your team improve is also a victory"

https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/artigo/_/id/7203598/ancelotti-entrevista-exclusiva-espn-richarlison-top-10-tite-parca-everton-projeto-liverpool
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on July 26, 2020, 11:41:44 PM
Ok Carlo you have tried this 4231 crap now move the fuck on form it and never play it again
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 26, 2020, 11:48:55 PM
And so it starts....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on July 27, 2020, 12:00:03 AM
And so it starts....

you enjoy that today ?

we have seen that crap football "playing" 4231 for 4 years , no fucking more of it
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 12:02:27 AM
you enjoy that today ?

we have seen that crap football "playing" 4231 for 4 years , no fucking more of it

Bless your heart.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 27, 2020, 12:06:00 AM
Its not the formation mate, its the very average players, playing below par and without any fire in their bellies.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 12:06:38 AM
Its not the formation mate, its the very average player, playing below par and without any fire in their bellies.

Make this your last reply. You're very much wasting your time when you could be doing anything else. Like, anything.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on July 27, 2020, 12:07:02 AM
Bless your heart.

get lost
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 12:08:11 AM
get lost

Nah, deciphering your posts is usually my brain teaser of the day.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on July 27, 2020, 12:08:54 AM
The formation is almost irrelevant but I'm not sure Carlo knows what to do with this team yet I don't really blame him either but he needs to establish some sort of playing style in whatever poor excuse for a pre season we get
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 27, 2020, 12:12:38 AM
There is no way whatsoever you can blame the manager or the formation, when half the fucking team cant pass the ball 2 foot.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on July 27, 2020, 12:13:15 AM
Nah, deciphering your posts is usually my brain teaser of the day.

do you have to post on every post you see

make it easy for you . just login and reply ... on every post for that day you still get you post count up and you don't piss anyone off simples

you have a nice day now
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 12:21:29 AM
do you have to post on every post you see

make it easy for you . just login and reply ... on every post for that day you still get you post count up and you don't piss anyone off simples

you have a nice day now

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 12:24:11 AM
The formation is almost irrelevant but I'm not sure Carlo knows what to do with this team yet I don't really blame him either but he needs to establish some sort of playing style in whatever poor excuse for a pre season we get

I don't think the playing style or formation are the problem. Carlo knows very clearly what he wants to do. Problem is he doesn't have the players to do it, which is why we've seen so many different things tried to varying degrees of poor results. When you try a whole bunch of things and none of them work, you have to look squarely at the common denominator, which in this case are the players.

The short turnaround is going to be problematic because it will be nigh impossible to rebuild this team to match his vision.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on July 27, 2020, 12:30:39 AM
We’d look so much better without a ghost in our ranks.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on July 27, 2020, 12:33:32 AM
There is no way whatsoever you can blame the manager or the formation, when half the fucking team cant pass the ball 2 foot.

4231 got the last 3 manager sacked with not having the players to play it Carlo knew that before coming here so why play it again before buying the players to play it ?

the only thing I can think of is to keep the ghost happy when he really needs to make him unhappy and get him out of the club ASAP
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on July 27, 2020, 05:11:26 AM
One of two things will happen soon.

We’ll either completely implode.

Or we’ll finally become a competent team and find ourselves at a level to compete.

Only so long a club like us can meander in mediocrity for before one of the above happens and I have absolutely no faith in it being the second option.

That’s no slight on the manager but I do fear this is a job too big for him to take at this stage of his life.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on July 27, 2020, 05:38:59 AM
And so it starts....

Was inevitable wasn’t it 😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 06:09:08 AM
Was inevitable wasn’t it 😂

You could slowly see the lines being drawn ballpark 1 month ago.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ally2 on July 27, 2020, 06:11:35 AM
I like the honesty of 442. There's nowhere to hide. It is hard against 4 bank systems because there will be players between the lines but ability to understand good tactical discipline can be tested and I've convinced myself this is what Carlo has been doing all along. It's a long shot but he needs to know who is able to follow instruction and who he can rely on.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: toshyboy on July 27, 2020, 06:28:16 AM
Carlo knows what needs to be done. He’s a born winner and won’t put up with the shit he’s seen from the squad. His interviews after last few games have been telling for me. Do or die for brands this summer as the biggest window we’ve faced for decades beckons. Carlo knows what he needs and I’m  sure the contacts book will be in overdrive. Then it’s up to brands to deliver it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2020, 02:48:34 PM
One of two things will happen soon.

We’ll either completely implode.

Or we’ll finally become a competent team and find ourselves at a level to compete.

Only so long a club like us can meander in mediocrity for before one of the above happens and I have absolutely no faith in it being the second option.

That’s no slight on the manager but I do fear this is a job too big for him to take at this stage of his life.

Thing is it's going to take 2 years to be where we want to be.

Does he fancy that? Big big job, with lots of low points.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on July 27, 2020, 02:56:41 PM
Thing is it's going to take 2 years to be where we want to be.

Does he fancy that? Big big job, with lots of low points.

I genuinely think he does fancy that.

Recruitment needs to improve vastly, or he hasn't got a prayer.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 27, 2020, 02:57:41 PM
I’ve got no doubts whatsoever that:

1) Carlo is fully aware of the magnitude of the job at hand

2) he’s more than capable of doing said job


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 27, 2020, 03:45:15 PM
Ancelotti has said many times that we was after a long term project. He said it before going to Napoli and he said it again when he came to us.

I have no doubts about the man's commitment, he's definitely here for the long haul and you dont stay at the top level for as long as he has without having an immense amount of professional pride so he's not going to go through the motions.

Silva was shite. He played 4231 no matter who the opponent and no matter what form we were in and it was easy for the opposition to work us out. 19 games 10 losses was it?

Carlo has tried something different to drag us out of a post-lockdown slump. It worked for periods against Sheffield Utd, so why not try it again? Yeah it failed, partly because we have a lot of shit players and partly because Bournemouth were fighting for their lives.

I'm glad that vile scrotum of a season is finally over. So many lows. The only positives were Ferguson giving us something to shout about, Carlo arriving and some of our young players coming through.

Now its over to Brands for the biggest few weeks of his career to get us some players that can make a difference.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2020, 04:09:07 PM
I genuinely think he does fancy that.

Recruitment needs to improve vastly, or he hasn't got a prayer.

Oh god it has to be absolutely spot on.

I'm not going to say I'm happy at all with this year. We regressed massively from an initial bounce, and unless there's a marked difference next year, the goodwill he has with his profile will not last.

Like we as a fanbase should be absolutely furious at the club for the last 5-6 years. Not for lack of trying I understand that, but there's posters on here that could have told you 5 years ago what we are doing wrong, and we're still not convinced that we've fixed it.

Get the recruitment right. Get on the same page behind the scenes, instill some kind of identity and recruit to that identity, and we might have half a chance of making a fist of this ancelotti thing.

If we don't do that, we're just burning more money with the world's most expensive interim manager, who will leave sometimes in the next 18 months with us no closer to our aim, and considerably worse off in regards to time, resource and squad.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on July 27, 2020, 04:14:04 PM
Thing is it's going to take 2 years to be where we want to be.

Does he fancy that? Big big job, with lots of low points.

It took Klopp longer than that but with the right financial support and patience from the fan base he would absolutely be up for it, he’s never had such a challenge but I think he is intelligent enough to have known what he was getting into.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2020, 04:19:11 PM
It took Klopp longer than that but with the right financial support and patience from the fan base he would absolutely be up for it, he’s never had such a challenge but I think he is intelligent enough to have known what he was getting into.

By two years I mean...looking at the top 6 with any kind of seriousness.

The next two years even if we do very well are likely going to be 8th, 7th at best. Klopp finished 4th in his second season I think, obviously steering from a position of an under performing side who should be top 4.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on July 27, 2020, 05:25:26 PM
Interesting from greenhall on twitter

https://twitter.com/greenallefc/status/1287471838122184705?s=19

I guess next year we can assume we will be somewhere between Everton look genuinely good (xpts per season 73 🤒) and Everton look like legitimately one of the worst sides in the league (xpts per season 38 😬).

Points per game pre break was around 62 but actually under performing slightly compared to performances (xpts), the opposite true for post break where we managed 12 from 9xpts, PPG*season around 50.

So somewhere between 73-38 xp / 62-50ppg ...60? 65?

65 points again for me has to be the realistic target to aim for again.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 07:56:28 PM
For whatever it's worth, according to Carlo himself (in his book), he's never had a contract that was longer than 3 years. So immediately agreeing to a 4 1/2 year one has to mean something, no?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on July 27, 2020, 10:34:48 PM
For whatever it's worth, according to Carlo himself (in his book), he's never had a contract that was longer than 3 years. So immediately agreeing to a 4 1/2 year one has to mean something, no?

You’re such a sleuth, good thinking ! Comforting thought.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 27, 2020, 11:04:08 PM
You’re such a sleuth, good thinking ! Comforting thought.

Ha! Now he's gotten extensions before (Parma/Milan, his boyhood clubs/loves), but everywhere since it's been 3-year deals. None of which he saw through due to being fired by insane owners. lolol
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: 74Blue on July 28, 2020, 01:40:28 AM
I think that we would have had to have given him some pretty solid assurances that he will have the full backing of the board and DOF to turn the squad into a unit that is capable of challenging near the top at least. At this stage of his career, I think he may be looking to settle long term into a project.
Building almost from scratch and winning something will be so much sweeter, or at least that's what I'm hoping.
The guy is a serial winner. He hasn't come here to fail. The desire to win never goes away and sometimes in life you need a real challenge to sink your teeth into. Our basket case of a squad is a proper challenge for any manager, so hopefully he is going to get the full backing required to be ruthless and rebuild.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 30, 2020, 09:23:02 PM
In a bit of positive, or at least optimistic, news, we achieved 30 pts under 20 games with Carlo.

Over a 38 game season, that's 57 pts. But he managed that with our current (mostly) terrible roster. Imagine what he could help us achieve with just a few more key pieces!

FWIW, Leicester achieved Europa with 62 pts; Spurs with 59. Hell, Chelsea is CL bound with 66 pts. IMO next season is continental footy or bust.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Ramjam on July 31, 2020, 07:25:18 AM
FWIW????


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 31, 2020, 08:07:37 AM
FWIW????


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For what it’s worth...


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on July 31, 2020, 08:13:06 AM
FWIW????
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Fatima Whitbread Inseminates Whales

Something like that.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Morta75 on August 02, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
In Carlo we have to trust... If he can't make it happen, then good knows who can.
Give him 3 years and I think he will get us into Europa again. Just hope he can get the best players to stay that long.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
3 years to get to 7th?!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 02, 2020, 06:12:45 PM
I think we will end up in Europa League next season.(Obviously depending on us doing good business)

I think Carlo will get the luxury of Everton fans turning on the players rather than him for longer than previous managers.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 02, 2020, 06:22:03 PM
I think we will end up in Europa League next season.(Obviously depending on us doing good business)

I think Carlo will get the luxury of Everton fans turning on the players rather than him for longer than previous managers.
Its heavily dependant on Brands this. No midfield again and we'll achieve nothing.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 02, 2020, 06:31:48 PM
Its heavily dependant on Brands this. No midfield again and we'll achieve nothing.
Id be baffled if we dont sign 2 midfielders.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on August 02, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Id be baffled if we dont sign 2 midfielders.

I have a grim feeling our starting midfield will be Gomes, Sigurdsson, and an overworked, and likely to get injured Allan.

And then we’ll be back to Davies.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on August 02, 2020, 11:15:02 PM
Id be baffled if we dont sign 2 midfielders.

I'd be hugely disappointed if we don't get two first team quality midfielders, even with Gbamin coming back at some point. Hopefully that's not going to be the case anyway.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: American Evertonian on August 02, 2020, 11:44:08 PM
I'd be hugely disappointed if we don't get two first team quality midfielders, even with Gbamin coming back at some point. Hopefully that's not going to be the case anyway.

When is he actually supposed to be back? Achilles injuries are notoriously difficult to return from. So maybe for him Jan or Feb?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee1 on August 02, 2020, 11:47:16 PM
When is he actually supposed to be back? Achilles injuries are notoriously difficult to return from. So maybe for him Jan or Feb?

Giving him as much time as needed according to this.

https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1289915196916543488
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Omar on August 03, 2020, 03:34:50 AM
Eddie’s left Bournemouth, here’s our chance lads!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on August 03, 2020, 06:20:53 AM
Eddie's left Bournemouth, here's our chance lads!
Welcome to yesterday. Or the day before.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: American Evertonian on August 03, 2020, 07:22:57 PM
Eddie’s left Bournemouth, here’s our chance lads!

Can he play midfield?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 07, 2020, 03:25:34 AM
Just seen the new BT sport advert and Carlo is in it, we've finally fucking arrived
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 07, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
Full training gear on

https://twitter.com/TommyJaymoEFC/status/1302904340294889473
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dunkster on September 07, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
Kinda cool reading top of page, (start of August) us all saying we are fucked without 2 central midfielders.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 07, 2020, 11:25:29 PM
https://statsbomb.com/2020/09/everton-season-preview-2020-21/

Fair
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 08, 2020, 12:02:21 AM
https://statsbomb.com/2020/09/everton-season-preview-2020-21/

Fair

Good article. I even understood some of it.

I'm also wondering if our best midfield pairing this season may turn out to be Allan and Gomes, rather than Allan and Doucoure.... ?? ??

Nah. Probably not.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on September 08, 2020, 12:04:41 AM
https://statsbomb.com/2020/09/everton-season-preview-2020-21/

Fair

Good read, shame there’s not much about Doucouré in there as that’s the one I have the most question marks on
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on September 08, 2020, 01:18:59 AM
https://statsbomb.com/2020/09/everton-season-preview-2020-21/

Fair
A good read thanks and, as you said, fair.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 11, 2020, 04:23:22 PM
Carlofantastico
4.35 Chester

Been backed from 80/1 to 40/1 - All blues no doubt

Worth a few quid e/w
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 11, 2020, 08:15:54 PM
16/1 now
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Blue Lagoon on September 11, 2020, 09:08:44 PM
Can’t say no to that


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 11, 2020, 09:55:04 PM
Jockeys name is Allan
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 11, 2020, 10:22:54 PM
Jockeys name is Allan

10/1 now
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on September 11, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
Down at the first fence, for sure.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 11, 2020, 10:47:56 PM
Last
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Blue Lagoon on September 11, 2020, 11:02:57 PM
Damn and blast


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 11, 2020, 11:11:36 PM
Sack him, sack him now
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 11, 2020, 11:16:59 PM
Haha, lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 12, 2020, 12:12:53 AM
Amazing haha!

https://twitter.com/benjwinstanley/status/1304442330146131968
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee1 on September 12, 2020, 12:37:17 AM
Amazing haha!

https://twitter.com/benjwinstanley/status/1304442330146131968

Still moves quicker than Gylfi.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 12, 2020, 12:51:13 AM
Did this become a horse racing thread? :D
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Blue Lagoon on September 12, 2020, 01:04:48 AM
Did this become a horse racing thread? :D
Nay!


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 12, 2020, 01:47:10 AM
Did this become a horse racing thread? :D
It began to but fell at the first hurdle.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 12, 2020, 03:11:26 PM
Lots of discussion around who plays on the right of a 442, but I'm not sure who plays left yano?

Who's your first choice out of

Bernard
Gordon
Iwobi
Richarlison
Sigurdsson

?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on September 12, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
Lots of discussion around who plays on the right of a 442, but I'm not sure who plays left yano?

Who's your first choice out of

Bernard
Gordon
Iwobi
Richarlison
Sigurdsson

?

Don’t think we’ve played 442 with Richarlison on the left have we?

So if he is out there I don’t think it would predominantly be 442.

Also just thinking if James is out right we’re not likely to go with the other options.

If we did... I’d probably say Gordon
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 12, 2020, 03:27:13 PM
Lots of discussion around who plays on the right of a 442, but I'm not sure who plays left yano?

Who's your first choice out of

Bernard
Gordon
Iwobi
Richarlison
Sigurdsson

?

I doubt we'll be playing 4-4-2 tbh, we haven't bought the players for that formation
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on September 12, 2020, 03:31:03 PM
Lots of discussion around who plays on the right of a 442, but I'm not sure who plays left yano?

Who's your first choice out of

Bernard
Gordon
Iwobi
Richarlison
Sigurdsson

?

Bernard for me solely based on the fact that he links up well with Digne.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 12, 2020, 03:31:29 PM
Don’t think we’ve played 442 with Richarlison on the left have we?

So if he is out there I don’t think it would predominantly be 442.

Also just thinking if James is out right we’re not likely to go with the other options.

If we did... I’d probably say Gordon

No we haven't but he is available to do that job, plus you never know James might play support to DCL.

I just don't know who you pick out of Gordon Iwobi Bernard, not a great deal between them.

Gordon and Bernard have had a shot as interiors lately too...wonder if my boy will get a turn.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 12, 2020, 03:32:49 PM
I doubt we'll be playing 4-4-2 tbh, we haven't bought the players for that formation

I hope you’re right, Andy.

@GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) mate, I will need you to tell me the formation when the game starts, because it’s unlikely I’ll be able to watch.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 12, 2020, 03:43:33 PM
I pick Theo over anyone on the right.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 12, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
I pick Theo over anyone on the right.

Over Hammy Rodgers?!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 12, 2020, 04:08:20 PM
I hope you’re right, Andy.

@GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) mate, I will need you to tell me the formation when the game starts, because it’s unlikely I’ll be able to watch.

If we play 4-4-2 all my optimism and excitement for the season ahead will immediately vanish.

I'd sort of forgive it for maybe 3 games whilst new players got match fit, but once they're in the team we absolute can't play 4-4-2
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ally2 on September 12, 2020, 04:15:41 PM
I predict Walcott will have a good start to the season then fizzle out. One thing you can rely on is him giving you some cause for excitement and then letting you down.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 12, 2020, 04:16:35 PM
Over Hammy Rodgers?!

I think Hammy Rogers will blow a hammy chasing endless lost causes into the channels, if he’s on the right of our 442
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 12, 2020, 04:23:10 PM
Over Hammy Rodgers?!

I’m hoping this will be the season for iwobi on the left, so would want Theo on the right getting in behind and stretching the defence.

I’m wanting Hamez in the number ten
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 12, 2020, 06:45:26 PM
Lots of discussion around who plays on the right of a 442, but I'm not sure who plays left yano?

Who's your first choice out of

Bernard
Gordon
Iwobi
Richarlison
Sigurdsson

?

For me, Iwobi, then Gordon if Iwobi can't hack it. Bernard only as a sub.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 12, 2020, 06:47:43 PM
I’m hoping this will be the season for iwobi on the left, so would want Theo on the right getting in behind and stretching the defence.

I’m wanting Hamez in the number ten

But in a 4-4-2, you'd want James over Walcott I'd imagine, no?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 12, 2020, 07:07:03 PM
When James is fit we build the team around him and that's probably going to be a 433 with him as an 8 with two 6s behind him.

Unless the opposition require specific tactics to counter their strengths. If they're all fit we've got the players and versatility to play most formations, which is promising.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 12, 2020, 07:20:42 PM
When James is fit we build the team around him and that's probably going to be a 433 with him as an 8 with two 6s behind him.

Unless the opposition require specific tactics to counter their strengths. If they're all fit we've got the players and versatility to play most formations, which is promising.

Something tells me this is more likely.

(https://i.ibb.co/Gk2qy3V/8-C459-D46-0459-47-C4-9690-0772-BB8-A8988.jpg)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on September 12, 2020, 07:31:08 PM
Something tells me this is more likely.

(https://i.ibb.co/Gk2qy3V/8-C459-D46-0459-47-C4-9690-0772-BB8-A8988.jpg)

How can you not put any of the 3 midfielders in the right spots Doucoure  Allan Gomes a 6 and 2 8s
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 12, 2020, 07:33:17 PM
How can you not put any of the 3 midfielders in the right spots Doucoure  Allan Gomes a 6 and 2 8s

Put them in any order you like. I'm saying those will be the 3 mids IMO.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on September 12, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
Put them in any order you like. I'm saying those will be the 3 mids IMO.

Yeah think that is are 3 . but it fucks with my OCD

 a box to box 8 a sitting 6 and a play making 8
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 12, 2020, 07:48:50 PM
Can someone copy & paste The Athletic article on formation, from today, please.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on September 12, 2020, 07:54:23 PM
One thing I was sure would happen this summer was more/better staff coming in
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 12, 2020, 07:57:28 PM
Can someone copy & paste The Athletic article on formation, from today, please.

Here you go, sweetie

"If the Premier League’s post-lockdown run-in allowed Carlo Ancelotti one thing, it was the chance to experiment.

The new(ish) Everton manager tried different formations, with differing success, in those last nine games, giving opportunities to his then crop of midfielders.

Vastly experienced Ancelotti didn’t need to learn much about how good Richarlison is, or Dominic Calvert-Lewin’s potential. That was clear. But he needed to know if his midfield was fit for purpose, and after defeats by Tottenham Hotspur, Wolverhampton Wanderers and relegation-bound Bournemouth, plus some unconvincing draws, he had his answer.

Cue three big summer signings for that area in Allan, Abdoulaye Doucoure and James Rodriguez and a completely rebooted midfield which provides new clarity on what the Italian’s strongest XI will be this season. Whatever formation Ancelotti chooses, and he is not wedded to one philosophy, the team becomes easier to predict.

So, accepting that he may change between his so-far favoured 4-4-2 — to a bolder 4-3-3, or the more defensive and counter-attacking 4-2-3-1, here’s (disregarding injuries) what I think is his strongest team.

4-3-3

Jordan Pickford (goalkeeper)

Pickford’s form was erratic last term, particularly on the run-in. But despite a worrying trend of clangers and near-misses, he retains Ancelotti’s faith as his No 1 for now. England counterpart Gareth Southgate is clearly on the same page, selecting Pickford for the past week’s two Nations League games and being rewarded with two clean sheets. Ancelotti will ask for greater focus and concentration in games, but can rest assured that, in terms of shot-stopping, he still has a strong goalkeeper.

Seamus Coleman (right-back)

Everton’s captain turns 32 next month, and had been showing signs of slowing down. That prompted them to bring in France international Djibril Sidibe on loan from Monaco to challenge him. Sidibe’s qualities on the ball edged the Republic of Ireland international but overall it was Coleman who won the battle. Even if his pace and ability to make constant overlapping bursts are diminishing, his experience and defensive qualities remain. A consummate professional too, Coleman is still in good condition and will be determined to play his part in a season that suddenly promises so much.

Mason Holgate (centre-back)

Few at Everton will reflect on the 2019-20 season with overly fond memories, but Holgate could be forgiven for doing so. It was the campaign when he changed the course of his career at Goodison Park. From an indifferent loan spell at then-Championship West Bromwich Albion, to a surprise pre-Christmas selection in midfield by interim manager Duncan Ferguson. Holgate took his chance and ran with it, using his newfound physicality and reading of the game in conjunction with his ability on the ball. Suddenly he looked like Everton’s best ball-playing defender. The hope is he can only get better and is likely to be a mainstay this term.

Michael Keane (centre-back)

Keane enjoyed something of a renaissance last season too. Previously believed to be most at threat after the arrival of Yerry Mina from Barcelona, the Colombian’s injuries and fluctuating form allowed Keane more opportunities to impress Ancelotti. He did that in the run-in, so much so he earned a new contract that keeps him at Goodison until 2025. Keane and Holgate, friends off the pitch, developed a decent partnership on it. Keane’s master of the central defensive basics complimented Holgate’s more expansive tendencies. The challenge is on Mina to win a starting spot back, but Keane deserves to get the nod for now.

Lucas Digne (left-back)

One of the easier picks. The France international is a set-piece threat, defensively solid and a player who rarely gave Marco Silva or successor Ancelotti a headache. His seven assists last season underline why Everton tended to rely on their full-backs, particularly Digne, as creators in the absence of a consistent midfield. Even if he could not quite hit the overall performance levels of his 2018-19 debut campaign, when he was named the club’s player of the season, he was still a major asset.

Andre Gomes (midfield)

In a sense, the Portugal international is fortunate to make the cut ahead of Anthony Gordon, the gifted teenager who shone so brightly even in a struggling side when given opportunities last season. Gordon will be on the bench and raring to go, for certain. But this summer’s midfield additions could bring the best out of Gomes in a way playing next to Tom Davies and Gylfi Sigurdsson never could. Gomes’s passing range and appreciation of space are, when at his best, hugely effective and with the defensive work being taken care of beside him (see below) it should allow the former Barcelona man to do what he is strongest at and provide more of the “lateral balls” Ancelotti demanded last term.

Allan (midfield)

Possibly the most important, in that his role was the one that most urgently required filling, of Everton’s new trio. The “ball-winning machine” will finally replace the much-missed Idrissa Gueye and add snap and tenacity to an engine room that was so meek last season. In theory, Allan will give the back four a more effective safety-net, while winning possession and then passing it on to more attack-minded team-mates. After his arrival from Napoli, where they worked together for 18 months, Ancelotti noted the Brazil international is also good on the ball so will not just win it back but help Everton keep it.

Abdoulaye Doucoure (midfield)

The box-to-box man. Anceotti cried out for dynamism from Everton’s midfielders last season but usually his cries were met with deaf ears. That’s why he turned to a long-term club target and prised the Frenchman away from relegated Watford. Doucoure will be the pivot between defence and attack, charged with carrying the ball forward with those long legs. Getting Everton up the pitch quickly and creating space for the wide players and forwards with his marauding runs will be Doucoure’s remit, while also contributing goals with his penchant for shooting outside the box.

James Rodriguez (right wing)

Wow. It’ll take a while to get used to seeing this name on the teamsheet. If Ancelotti can inspire the Colombian to the levels he produced in his first season at Real Madrid under him (17 goals and 18 assists in 2014-15), Everton could have a player to take them to the next level. He ticks the box for the left-footer who can cut inside from the right that they have coveted. He has ability on the ball few Everton players have had in years. Able to play in a variety of roles, he will provide so many options for Ancelotti in different formations. But his first task will be to add goals, assists and that X-factor which could, if he turns the clock back, help Everton challenge for Europe.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin (striker)

Like Richarlison, this is the time for Calvert-Lewin to really make his mark. He won over fans and neutrals last season with his growing consistency and clinical finishing. But this season, with the potential for far higher quality delivery from midfield, he will get more chances. The 23-year-old has started like he means to go on with goals in pre-season, and should get the chance to lead the line and form a focal point to the attack.

Richarlison (left wing)

This should be the season the Brazilian explodes. Thirteen Premier League goals last term — imagine what he might produce now with better players around him. He is likely to play in a front two with Calvert-Lewin, as he often did last term, but also be deployed on the left. His threat remains undeniable, taking on opponents, winning fouls, and displaying that wonderful ability to change a game with a moment of magic. His English is improving, and he will also play a key part in helping international team-mate Allan settle on Merseyside. But it’s Richarlison’s street-fighting, never-say-die attitude which is such a huge asset to this team. The target will be 20 goals."
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 12, 2020, 08:12:41 PM
Here you go, sweetie

"If the Premier League’s post-lockdown run-in allowed Carlo Ancelotti one thing, it was the chance to experiment.

The new(ish) Everton manager tried different formations, with differing success, in those last nine games, giving opportunities to his then crop of midfielders.

Vastly experienced Ancelotti didn’t need to learn much about how good Richarlison is, or Dominic Calvert-Lewin’s potential. That was clear. But he needed to know if his midfield was fit for purpose, and after defeats by Tottenham Hotspur, Wolverhampton Wanderers and relegation-bound Bournemouth, plus some unconvincing draws, he had his answer.

Cue three big summer signings for that area in Allan, Abdoulaye Doucoure and James Rodriguez and a completely rebooted midfield which provides new clarity on what the Italian’s strongest XI will be this season. Whatever formation Ancelotti chooses, and he is not wedded to one philosophy, the team becomes easier to predict.

So, accepting that he may change between his so-far favoured 4-4-2 — to a bolder 4-3-3, or the more defensive and counter-attacking 4-2-3-1, here’s (disregarding injuries) what I think is his strongest team.

4-3-3

Jordan Pickford (goalkeeper)

Pickford’s form was erratic last term, particularly on the run-in. But despite a worrying trend of clangers and near-misses, he retains Ancelotti’s faith as his No 1 for now. England counterpart Gareth Southgate is clearly on the same page, selecting Pickford for the past week’s two Nations League games and being rewarded with two clean sheets. Ancelotti will ask for greater focus and concentration in games, but can rest assured that, in terms of shot-stopping, he still has a strong goalkeeper.

Seamus Coleman (right-back)

Everton’s captain turns 32 next month, and had been showing signs of slowing down. That prompted them to bring in France international Djibril Sidibe on loan from Monaco to challenge him. Sidibe’s qualities on the ball edged the Republic of Ireland international but overall it was Coleman who won the battle. Even if his pace and ability to make constant overlapping bursts are diminishing, his experience and defensive qualities remain. A consummate professional too, Coleman is still in good condition and will be determined to play his part in a season that suddenly promises so much.

Mason Holgate (centre-back)

Few at Everton will reflect on the 2019-20 season with overly fond memories, but Holgate could be forgiven for doing so. It was the campaign when he changed the course of his career at Goodison Park. From an indifferent loan spell at then-Championship West Bromwich Albion, to a surprise pre-Christmas selection in midfield by interim manager Duncan Ferguson. Holgate took his chance and ran with it, using his newfound physicality and reading of the game in conjunction with his ability on the ball. Suddenly he looked like Everton’s best ball-playing defender. The hope is he can only get better and is likely to be a mainstay this term.

Michael Keane (centre-back)

Keane enjoyed something of a renaissance last season too. Previously believed to be most at threat after the arrival of Yerry Mina from Barcelona, the Colombian’s injuries and fluctuating form allowed Keane more opportunities to impress Ancelotti. He did that in the run-in, so much so he earned a new contract that keeps him at Goodison until 2025. Keane and Holgate, friends off the pitch, developed a decent partnership on it. Keane’s master of the central defensive basics complimented Holgate’s more expansive tendencies. The challenge is on Mina to win a starting spot back, but Keane deserves to get the nod for now.

Lucas Digne (left-back)

One of the easier picks. The France international is a set-piece threat, defensively solid and a player who rarely gave Marco Silva or successor Ancelotti a headache. His seven assists last season underline why Everton tended to rely on their full-backs, particularly Digne, as creators in the absence of a consistent midfield. Even if he could not quite hit the overall performance levels of his 2018-19 debut campaign, when he was named the club’s player of the season, he was still a major asset.

Andre Gomes (midfield)

In a sense, the Portugal international is fortunate to make the cut ahead of Anthony Gordon, the gifted teenager who shone so brightly even in a struggling side when given opportunities last season. Gordon will be on the bench and raring to go, for certain. But this summer’s midfield additions could bring the best out of Gomes in a way playing next to Tom Davies and Gylfi Sigurdsson never could. Gomes’s passing range and appreciation of space are, when at his best, hugely effective and with the defensive work being taken care of beside him (see below) it should allow the former Barcelona man to do what he is strongest at and provide more of the “lateral balls” Ancelotti demanded last term.

Allan (midfield)

Possibly the most important, in that his role was the one that most urgently required filling, of Everton’s new trio. The “ball-winning machine” will finally replace the much-missed Idrissa Gueye and add snap and tenacity to an engine room that was so meek last season. In theory, Allan will give the back four a more effective safety-net, while winning possession and then passing it on to more attack-minded team-mates. After his arrival from Napoli, where they worked together for 18 months, Ancelotti noted the Brazil international is also good on the ball so will not just win it back but help Everton keep it.

Abdoulaye Doucoure (midfield)

The box-to-box man. Anceotti cried out for dynamism from Everton’s midfielders last season but usually his cries were met with deaf ears. That’s why he turned to a long-term club target and prised the Frenchman away from relegated Watford. Doucoure will be the pivot between defence and attack, charged with carrying the ball forward with those long legs. Getting Everton up the pitch quickly and creating space for the wide players and forwards with his marauding runs will be Doucoure’s remit, while also contributing goals with his penchant for shooting outside the box.

James Rodriguez (right wing)

Wow. It’ll take a while to get used to seeing this name on the teamsheet. If Ancelotti can inspire the Colombian to the levels he produced in his first season at Real Madrid under him (17 goals and 18 assists in 2014-15), Everton could have a player to take them to the next level. He ticks the box for the left-footer who can cut inside from the right that they have coveted. He has ability on the ball few Everton players have had in years. Able to play in a variety of roles, he will provide so many options for Ancelotti in different formations. But his first task will be to add goals, assists and that X-factor which could, if he turns the clock back, help Everton challenge for Europe.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin (striker)

Like Richarlison, this is the time for Calvert-Lewin to really make his mark. He won over fans and neutrals last season with his growing consistency and clinical finishing. But this season, with the potential for far higher quality delivery from midfield, he will get more chances. The 23-year-old has started like he means to go on with goals in pre-season, and should get the chance to lead the line and form a focal point to the attack.

Richarlison (left wing)

This should be the season the Brazilian explodes. Thirteen Premier League goals last term — imagine what he might produce now with better players around him. He is likely to play in a front two with Calvert-Lewin, as he often did last term, but also be deployed on the left. His threat remains undeniable, taking on opponents, winning fouls, and displaying that wonderful ability to change a game with a moment of magic. His English is improving, and he will also play a key part in helping international team-mate Allan settle on Merseyside. But it’s Richarlison’s street-fighting, never-say-die attitude which is such a huge asset to this team. The target will be 20 goals."

Ta, sunbeam x
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 12, 2020, 09:26:30 PM
Tim Sherwood

https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1304766608791998464
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 12, 2020, 10:33:10 PM
Tim Sherwood

https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1304766608791998464

Teams managed
2013–2014   Tottenham Hotspur
2015   Aston Villa

what a fucking tool. I swear these kind of pundits are just car crash tv, like richard madely or piers morgan or katie hopkins. click bait cunts
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on September 12, 2020, 10:41:41 PM
Not a pop at you Macca, but there's no way i'm a) willingly watching anything including Tim Sherwood talking about football and b) watching people slag off Everton without any awareness of what they're talking about.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 12, 2020, 10:47:49 PM
Not a pop at you Macca, but there's no way i'm a) willingly watching anything including Tim Sherwood talking about football and b) watching people slag off Everton without any awareness of what they're talking about.

I walked past the telly earlier, and he was saying that James is good for Colombia but not for anyone else.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 13, 2020, 03:01:16 AM
Tim Sherwood

https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1304766608791998464

6th would be massive for us, wouldn't it?

Other than the bit about Carlo, I don't really disagree with him.

He is a massive whopper like but hes not *that* wrong here.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on September 13, 2020, 08:51:29 AM
Other than the bit about Carlo, I don't really disagree with him.

This is just an horrendous shout. He knows about the COVID situation, right?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 13, 2020, 11:06:00 AM
Sherwood sounds like an old man talking to himself. What about if I make myself a cuppa? Yeah you could do that, but ow many cups you gonna make 6... 7, 11, you might end up pissing yourself, maybe it isn't really tea, what is an Anchelotti anyway if were being honest about this?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 13, 2020, 01:40:58 PM
This is just an horrendous shout. He knows about the COVID situation, right?

The Carlo thing?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: AllyBlue14 on September 13, 2020, 02:43:34 PM
Saying that Carlo should've been replaced because we underachieved are clearly the words of a man embittered by his own experiences.

Besides that though, his point is largely valid - we've invested quite heavily with very little to show for it and breaking into the top 6 would be a huge achievement.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: 74Blue on September 13, 2020, 02:55:36 PM
Saying that Carlo should've been replaced because we underachieved are clearly the words of a man embittered by his own experiences.

Besides that though, his point is largely valid - we've invested quite heavily with very little to show for it and breaking into the top 6 would be a huge achievement.
Tim Sherwood's a complete and utter bellwhiff though. The fact is that Ancelloti was brought to the club midway through last season and tasked with doing what he could with the deadwood that was already here. If the squad had been anyway decent, we wouldn't have been seeking yet another new manager. I'm sure he knew that he was taking on a bit of a basket case, with the aim of just keeping us afloat until the end of the season. I'm sure he was also absolutely promised as much backing as possible to assemble a squad capable of challenging, otherwise why would he put his reputation on the line? He didn't need the money He didn't need a blot on his CV.
What the fuck as Sherwood won as a manager? Oh yeah, fuck all. Would anybody consider Tim Sherwood good enough to manage Everton? Fuck no! So why the fuck should any Evertonian give a flying fuck what this absolute fucking weapon has to say about anything at all? He's just trying to make himself sound relevant, when the fact is, no fucker gives a shit what Tim Sherwood thinks.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: AllyBlue14 on September 13, 2020, 03:13:07 PM
Tim Sherwood's a complete and utter bellwhiff though. The fact is that Ancelloti was brought to the club midway through last season and tasked with doing what he could with the deadwood that was already here. If the squad had been anyway decent, we wouldn't have been seeking yet another new manager. I'm sure he knew that he was taking on a bit of a basket case, with the aim of just keeping us afloat until the end of the season. I'm sure he was also absolutely promised as much backing as possible to assemble a squad capable of challenging, otherwise why would he put his reputation on the line? He didn't need the money He didn't need a blot on his CV.
What the fuck as Sherwood won as a manager? Oh yeah, fuck all. Would anybody consider Tim Sherwood good enough to manage Everton? Fuck no! So why the fuck should any Evertonian give a flying fuck what this absolute fucking weapon has to say about anything at all? He's just trying to make himself sound relevant, when the fact is, no fucker gives a shit what Tim Sherwood thinks.

Which is what I said in my first paragraph!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 13, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
Sherwood sounds like an old man talking to himself. What about if I make myself a cuppa? Yeah you could do that, but ow many cups you gonna make 6... 7, 11, you might end up pissing yourself, maybe it isn't really tea, what is an Anchelotti anyway if were being honest about this?

We think alike.

I hope this doesn’t depress you.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Blue Lagoon on September 13, 2020, 06:13:11 PM
Tim Sherwood's a complete and utter bellwhiff though. The fact is that Ancelloti was brought to the club midway through last season and tasked with doing what he could with the deadwood that was already here. If the squad had been anyway decent, we wouldn't have been seeking yet another new manager. I'm sure he knew that he was taking on a bit of a basket case, with the aim of just keeping us afloat until the end of the season. I'm sure he was also absolutely promised as much backing as possible to assemble a squad capable of challenging, otherwise why would he put his reputation on the line? He didn't need the money He didn't need a blot on his CV.
What the fuck as Sherwood won as a manager? Oh yeah, fuck all. Would anybody consider Tim Sherwood good enough to manage Everton? Fuck no! So why the fuck should any Evertonian give a flying fuck what this absolute fucking weapon has to say about anything at all? He's just trying to make himself sound relevant, when the fact is, no fucker gives a shit what Tim Sherwood thinks.
Getting a slight vibe that you may not like Tim Sherwood here


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 13, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
I really like Tim Sherwood!

















Said no one ever.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: 74Blue on September 13, 2020, 07:26:23 PM
Getting a slight vibe that you may not like Tim Sherwood here


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Not particularly. He's an odious little cunt of Danny Murphy proportions.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on September 13, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
Tim Sherwood's a complete and utter bellwhiff though. The fact is that Ancelloti was brought to the club midway through last season and tasked with doing what he could with the deadwood that was already here. If the squad had been anyway decent, we wouldn't have been seeking yet another new manager. I'm sure he knew that he was taking on a bit of a basket case, with the aim of just keeping us afloat until the end of the season. I'm sure he was also absolutely promised as much backing as possible to assemble a squad capable of challenging, otherwise why would he put his reputation on the line? He didn't need the money He didn't need a blot on his CV.
What the fuck as Sherwood won as a manager? Oh yeah, fuck all. Would anybody consider Tim Sherwood good enough to manage Everton? Fuck no! So why the fuck should any Evertonian give a flying fuck what this absolute fucking weapon has to say about anything at all? He's just trying to make himself sound relevant, when the fact is, no fucker gives a shit what Tim Sherwood thinks.



Haha. Post of the day that. "Tim Who?"
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on September 14, 2020, 01:14:57 AM
Fuck the 4-4-2!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 14, 2020, 02:14:30 PM
Not sure I'll ever recover from seeing 'Possession last 5 minutes - Everton 72%'

That's AWAY and against Spurs - absolute insanity!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 14, 2020, 02:40:17 PM
Not sure I'll ever recover from seeing 'Possession last 5 minutes - Everton 72%'

That's AWAY and against Spurs - absolute insanity!

Aye - and it was the same in the first 5 mins as well!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 03:50:15 PM
I have a take and it's a lil spicy.

Gylfi will eventually be first choice over Gomes in the midfield 3.

Offers better protection, covers more ground, you don't lose that much from his passing as we have Allan and James who both look better than Gomes passing wise. He doesn't dribble or drive forward any more and we have Doucoure now...so we're not going to have to carry him as there's nothing he really adds.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 14, 2020, 03:51:40 PM
I have a take and it's a lil spicy.

Gylfi will eventually be first choice over Gomes in the midfield 3.

Offers better protection, covers more ground, you don't lose that much from his passing as we have Allan and James who both look better than Gomes passing wise. He doesn't dribble or drive forward any more and we have Doucoure now...so we're not going to have to carry him as there's nothing he really adds.

We've all had a bevy mate.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 14, 2020, 03:58:39 PM
Now it needs to be followed up. We need to use that great start as a platform to build further confidence and wins. No point in beating Spurs away and then drawing against WBA at home (forgetting Salford midweek).

That said, there has been a massive step change in our attitude and the way we are playing, and I can't really see anything other than a win for us given how poor WBA were at the weekend.

As a forward player, having someone like James on your team must be wonderful. From my point of view, whenever I played with better players, it made me want to prove something to them and myself that I belonged in the same team, and subsequently raised my level. I think Richarlison will be thinking the same sort of thing, especially about how he can still be the attacking Kingpin in our team rather than allowing James to take over that mantle.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 04:21:20 PM
We've all had a bevy mate.

I'm just not sure he had a job anymore you know, you're now just looking at quite a slow fella who does absolutely nothing off the ball except give away fouls.

Reckon his dias are numero'd.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 14, 2020, 04:27:46 PM
I'm just not sure he had a job anymore you know, you're now just looking at quite a slow fella who does absolutely nothing off the ball except give away fouls.

Reckon his dias are numero'd.

That's why we have Doucoure and Allan though, isn't it.

They let Gomes do what he's good at which is picking up the ball and trying to progress it forward. Whether he's actually good at that is another question, but he's allowed to be poor off the ball now as he has two fellas next to him to cover for that.

Not sure what sigurdsson offers off the ball myself other than running towards the opposition and sticking out his leg in a hopeless manner.



Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on September 14, 2020, 04:31:35 PM
Look at this shift in balance - lovely.
https://twitter.com/DAHughes_/status/1305434464978440194
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 04:37:00 PM
Look at this shift in balance - lovely.
https://twitter.com/DAHughes_/status/1305434464978440194

What the fuck is that shit on the right side of that graphic?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 04:38:32 PM
That's why we have Doucoure and Allan though, isn't it.

They let Gomes do what he's good at which is picking up the ball and trying to progress it forward. Whether he's actually good at that is another question, but he's allowed to be poor off the ball now as he has two fellas next to him to cover for that.

Not sure what sigurdsson offers off the ball myself other than running towards the opposition and sticking out his leg in a hopeless manner.





Well sure that's fair, but yeah I'm just not sure we need to try and get him in any more. Feels like a potential weak point.

Carlo clearly likes him as he does play more often than not and even yday he wasn't that fit and he plays....

Just a lil spicy Monday morning one game take (most of which I was battling with a BBQ), and I'll be interested to see how it plays out.

One thin about our new look midfield is that our replacements are all huge drop offs so I hope our medical staff have been researching Special Sports Drinks over the summer.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 04:39:10 PM
RW is deeper than RB
LCM is playing wider than the LW
LB, LCM, and LW basically bunched up together.


Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 04:42:02 PM
Well sure that's fair, but yeah I'm just not sure we need to try and get him in any more. Feels like a potential weak point.

Carlo clearly likes him as he does play more often than not and even yday he wasn't that fit and he plays....

Just a lil spicy Monday morning one game take (most of which I was battling with a BBQ), and I'll be interested to see how it plays out.

One thin about our new look midfield is that our replacements are all huge drop offs so I hope our medical staff have been researching Special Sports Drinks over the summer.

I've seen Gomes get a lot of praise for yesterday but I don't think he did anything particular of note. He seemed very lateral in his passing and offered no go-forward in his running.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 14, 2020, 04:59:00 PM
What the fuck is that shit on the right side of that graphic?

I would love to see this averaged over a few games once we are 6/7 games in.

Absolutely incredible difference in terms of organisation. Worth noting that we were horrible against Spurs last year. It was like roles reversed this time around.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on September 14, 2020, 05:02:42 PM

They let Gomes do what he's good at which is picking up the ball and trying to progress it forward. Whether he's actually good at that is another question, but he's allowed to be poor off the ball now as he has two fellas next to him to cover for that.


Based on yesterday both Allan and Doucouré were better than him at progressing the ball forwards, and they also did the defensive side.

I think he’s still got a job in and around the team but I’d like to see Walcott RW and James in the Gomes role to see how that plays out too
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on September 14, 2020, 05:06:38 PM
I've seen Gomes get a lot of praise for yesterday but I don't think he did anything particular of note. He seemed very lateral in his passing and offered no go-forward in his running.

He was part of the press were last year he would be getting back into shape , lets see in a few weeks/games how its going for him as he gets up to speed with it , him pressing gives Doucoure the time needed to get back into DM role
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 05:10:08 PM
 
Rich.         DCL.       James

                           Iwobi
Doucoure
                  Allan
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 14, 2020, 05:15:52 PM
I wonder how Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard will be used now?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 05:18:17 PM
I wonder how Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard will be used now?

Iwobi or Bernard don't fit into a 433 IMO.

Not enough goal threat to play as a forward and not enough defensive contribution to play in the midfield.

Gordon has the athleticism to play both but he needs time to develop
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 05:20:37 PM

Rich.         DCL.       James

                           Iwobi
Doucoure
                  Allan

Iwobi might* actually be worse defensively than Gomes and therefore wouldn't fit into a middle 3 in a 4-3-3

*might because I don't actually know what his numbers are like
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 14, 2020, 05:24:34 PM
I wonder how Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard will be used now?

In new formations against teams like Salford hopefully
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 05:31:59 PM
Iwobi might* actually be worse defensively than Gomes and therefore wouldn't fit into a middle 3 in a 4-3-3

*might because I don't actually know what his numbers are like

Carlo got a decent shift out of him on the right, and he was putting up good volumes of tackles etc. But obv its a v different position and I share your unease about him in the middle defensively.

I'd love for him to come good though and I think a box to box or 8/10 hybrid could really suit his game.

Tempting to want to see more footballers in the side now we're more solid with Allan and Doucoure too, he's a player who can do tidy link up on the edge of the box, and I wonder how the likes of digne, rich, DCL, Doucoure and James would respond to another good creative passer in there.

Tbh I'm a bit worried about him and I think he might possibly be used as a makeweight or sold on, but I remain really into him and think in a genuine three man midfield like yesterday he could be really really exciting.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 05:41:54 PM
Carlo got a decent shift out of him on the right, and he was putting up good volumes of tackles etc. But obv its a v different position and I share your unease about him in the middle defensively.

I'd love for him to come good though and I think a box to box or 8/10 hybrid could really suit his game.

Tempting to want to see more footballers in the side now we're more solid with Allan and Doucoure too, he's a player who can do tidy link up on the edge of the box, and I wonder how the likes of digne, rich, DCL, Doucoure and James would respond to another good creative passer in there.

Tbh I'm a bit worried about him and I think he might possibly be used as a makeweight or sold on, but I remain really into him and think in a genuine three man midfield like yesterday he could be really really exciting.

Agree.

In theory Iwobi has the attributes to play that game but like Gomes he can't seem to apply himself consistently and there really is no room for complacency in the PL and especially in this new Everton side.

He's also lost a a bit of accelaration from his Arsenal days. Maybe he's bulked up a bit too much over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 14, 2020, 05:42:19 PM
DCL is the only person out of the front 6 i would start on Wednesday. No point risking fatigue with the new guys.

Surely two of Sigurdsson/Bernard/Iwobi/Kean/Gordon should be sufficient to unlock a defence at that level.

And lets see if Ancelotti can start molding Davies into something that can at least stand in for Doucoure when needed. A clear goal and a solitary set of metrics will do wonders for the lad.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 05:48:59 PM
DCL is the only person out of the front 6 i would start on Wednesday. No point risking fatigue with the new guys.

Surely two of Sigurdsson/Bernard/Iwobi/Kean/Gordon should be sufficient to unlock a defence at that level.

And lets see if Ancelotti can start molding Davies into something that can at least stand in for Doucoure when needed. A clear goal and a solitary set of metrics will do wonders for the lad.

Just worry who is Allan's replacement
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 14, 2020, 05:59:29 PM
Just worry who is Allan's replacement

Yeah, that was the position i couldn't really put my finger on.
Got to believe that Besic could be asked to break up play at this level. Too important a position to risk Baningime (and, we need to make sure we dont ruin yesterdays result, vital we win the next 2)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 06:33:37 PM
Yeah, that was the position i couldn't really put my finger on.
Got to believe that Besic could be asked to break up play at this level. Too important a position to risk Baningime (and, we need to make sure we dont ruin yesterdays result, vital we win the next 2)

I don't think either will still be at the club at the close. Is besic even training with the first team?

Doucoure or Sig as deepest midfielder I guess is your replacement.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 14, 2020, 06:43:44 PM
I'm just not sure he had a job anymore you know, you're now just looking at quite a slow fella who does absolutely nothing off the ball except give away fouls.

Reckon his dias are numero'd.

Your Gomes hate is showing, mate.

I've seen Gomes get a lot of praise for yesterday but I don't think he did anything particular of note. He seemed very lateral in his passing and offered no go-forward in his running.

Definitely the least involved of the 3 CMs, but 95% passing and 21-23 forward/square (14-14 forward) isn't nothing. With James & Doucoure on the pitch, he wasn't needed to be the only guy who could attempt a long ball switch. I thought he looked very confident on the ball to start and will only get better as familiarity with his new teammates sets in. Did nothing to change my mind he's 3rd in the CM pecking order.

Based on yesterday both Allan and Doucouré were better than him at progressing the ball forwards, and they also did the defensive side.

I think he’s still got a job in and around the team but I’d like to see Walcott RW and James in the Gomes role to see how that plays out too

Honestly, why? Putting James in the right MF role would be a massive waste of what he brings to the table.

DCL is the only person out of the front 6 i would start on Wednesday. No point risking fatigue with the new guys.

Surely two of Sigurdsson/Bernard/Iwobi/Kean/Gordon should be sufficient to unlock a defence at that level.

And lets see if Ancelotti can start molding Davies into something that can at least stand in for Doucoure when needed. A clear goal and a solitary set of metrics will do wonders for the lad.

Funny, DCL is the one guy I 100% want to sit purely because I want Kean to get 90 in the 9.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 14, 2020, 06:45:21 PM
Allan will start every game in the PL and the harder cup games unless he is injured or suspended, which I hope doesn't happen. We don't have anyone to replace him, apart from perhaps Doucoure in a shift of role. He will be the focal point of the midfield and adding players around him shouldn't be as difficult.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 07:27:04 PM
Just worry who is Allan's replacement

Fabian "You're all fucking shit" Delph
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 14, 2020, 07:50:22 PM
Funny, DCL is the one guy I 100% want to sit purely because I want Kean to get 90 in the 9.

You dont drop strikers who have scored. Long standing rule of thumb. They thrive off games and tend to score in streaks.
Not always, of course. But it's the received wisdom
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Tinga on September 14, 2020, 07:59:16 PM
My main worry right now is the depth of the squad isn't all that fantastic, one or two injuries and it's last seasons team more or less.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 14, 2020, 07:59:31 PM
You dont drop strikers who have scored. Long standing rule of thumb. They thrive off games and tend to score in streaks.
Not always, of course. But it's the received wisdom

Agreed. Never drop a striker who is confident and who has just scored. He will want to play against Salford and score goals, and it will only be good for his confidence.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 14, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Font three of Richarlison, DCL and Kean against Salford would be interesting to see.

Kean has played in that position (on the right) for Italy and I do want to see him get more game time.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Heisenberg on September 14, 2020, 08:02:20 PM
Would definitely be starting Kean. No point risking injuries to main players the second squad should more than have enough. I doubt he would see it as being dropped for this fixture
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 14, 2020, 08:06:37 PM
Was chatting about Carlo molding Davies in this thread and have sent it down a matchday thread trajectory haha.
Meet you all over there.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 14, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
You dont drop strikers who have scored. Long standing rule of thumb. They thrive off games and tend to score in streaks.
Not always, of course. But it's the received wisdom

Yeah I know but we do have a solid run off games coming and this one is likely the least "difficult." Sort of a if not now, when situation.

Maybe we can play 2 strikers then.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 14, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
Look at this shift in balance - lovely.
https://twitter.com/DAHughes_/status/1305434464978440194

Fucking hell, this shit gives me the horn!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 14, 2020, 10:19:45 PM
Carlo got a decent shift out of him on the right, and he was putting up good volumes of tackles etc. But obv its a v different position and I share your unease about him in the middle defensively.

I'd love for him to come good though and I think a box to box or 8/10 hybrid could really suit his game.

Tempting to want to see more footballers in the side now we're more solid with Allan and Doucoure too, he's a player who can do tidy link up on the edge of the box, and I wonder how the likes of digne, rich, DCL, Doucoure and James would respond to another good creative passer in there.

Tbh I'm a bit worried about him and I think he might possibly be used as a makeweight or sold on, but I remain really into him and think in a genuine three man midfield like yesterday he could be really really exciting.

Yeah, I actually think Iwobi, Gordon, and Bernard would do better than Gomes in that role he performed yesterday.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 15, 2020, 04:41:56 PM
Yeah, I actually think Iwobi, Gordon, and Bernard would do better than Gomes in that role he performed yesterday.

Don't think any of them can pass as well as Andre Gomes can, but they can offer other stuff like driving forward with pace etc.

I would love love love it if Carlo was the man to make iwobi the box to box player he's been talked about as being for years but I think it will be safety first and Gylfi will take that largely static role, safe off the ball, on the ball some passing from gylfi but mostly safe, not much forward movement but a threat from set pieces and on the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 15, 2020, 05:05:56 PM
Yeah, I actually think Iwobi, Gordon, and Bernard would do better than Gomes in that role he performed yesterday.

Really?

I doubt we will see any of them ever play CM in the premier league.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 15, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
Really?

I doubt we will see any of them ever play CM in the premier league.

Think he likes the look of Gordon as an advanced midfielder. Skinny Ross Barkley.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 15, 2020, 05:10:03 PM
Think he likes the look of Gordon as an advanced midfielder. Skinny Ross Barkley.

Rather him than sigurdsson and Davies to be fair.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 15, 2020, 05:13:53 PM
Rather him than sigurdsson and Davies to be fair.



I'm afraid the Icelandic prince will take that position and make it his own this season. I'm sorry Andre but I do not make these rules, I merely report on them.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 15, 2020, 05:17:41 PM
Really?

I doubt we will see any of them ever play CM in the premier league.

As 10’s, dude.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 17, 2020, 12:49:03 AM
https://twitter.com/TheExcelsiorLi1/status/1306256992168747008
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 17, 2020, 01:30:18 AM
https://twitter.com/TheExcelsiorLi1/status/1306256992168747008
(https://media.thetab.com/blogs.dir/90/files/2016/11/super-hans.jpg) no logo in the foam
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 17, 2020, 01:54:50 AM
(https://media.thetab.com/blogs.dir/90/files/2016/11/super-hans.jpg) no logo in the foam

Our kids go the same school.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 17, 2020, 04:45:28 AM
Our kids go the same school.
the twins? I bloody love the twins
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 17, 2020, 04:56:01 AM
the twins? I bloody love the twins

I'll never forgive Orange if they've wiped the twins.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2020, 07:43:49 AM
Where can I go over the top over a back up left back around here

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 17, 2020, 07:52:46 AM
Where can I go over the top over a back up left back around here
put in an early shout in the mural in the city thread?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2020, 03:05:25 PM
Sigiesta made a good case for himself.

Bernard did fine in a new position.

Nkounkou, Davies and Gordon showed the kids are alright to varying degrees.

Walcott, Kenny, Kean, all felt like they struggled at times.

Kean did himself no favours but again, could have bagged a hattrick so not overly concerned. If DCL is out though we have no target man replacement.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 18, 2020, 04:08:10 AM
https://theconventionalplaymaker.wordpress.com/2020/09/17/should-everton-consider-using-iwobi-as-a-no-8/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 19, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
Seemed like Carlo just went 'fuck it let's hammer these' today and it lead to us being vulnerable on the counter, but ultimately came home easy winners.

We probably need to not have quite so many forward in future matches as we may well come undone by it, there were times we had both fullbacks and all midfielders at least halfway inside their half... But still fantastic to see such a positive attitude towards a club Ancelloti knows is weaker than us.

I think even without the sending off we would have won comfortably in the end.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 10:36:55 PM
Seemed like Carlo just went 'fuck it let's hammer these' today and it lead to us being vulnerable on the counter, but ultimately came home easy winners.

We probably need to not have quite so many forward in future matches as we may well come undone by it, there were times we had both fullbacks and all midfielders at least halfway inside their half... But still fantastic to see such a positive attitude towards a club Ancelloti knows is weaker than us.

I think even without the sending off we would have won comfortably in the end.

I think our heavy metal football today was purely because it was a weaker side at home, who we believed was going to bunker. Pretty sure we won't be playing that way against say, United lol.

Be interesting to see our strategy away to Palace next week.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 19, 2020, 11:02:58 PM
I think our heavy metal football today was purely because it was a weaker side at home, who we believed was going to bunker. Pretty sure we won't be playing that way against say, United lol.

Be interesting to see our strategy away to Palace next week.

Yeah I agree (Jesus what's going on today 😂)....we showed against Spurs we can keep it tight against better teams, and today Ancelloti threw caution to the wind which left us open but also allowed us to win comprehensively. 

Against Palace I think they'll sit back and try counter down our right with Zaha... I'd love us to move James central for Gomes, and bring Walcott in o the right to help prevent them targeting that side.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 11:04:43 PM
Yeah I agree (Jesus what's going on today 😂)....we showed against Spurs we can keep it tight against better teams, and today Ancelloti threw caution to the wind which left us open but also allowed us to win comprehensively. 

Against Palace I think they'll sit back and try counter down our right with Zaha... I'd love us to move James central for Gomes, and bring Walcott in o the right to help prevent them targeting that side.

Works for me. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on September 19, 2020, 11:27:54 PM
Yeah I agree (Jesus what's going on today 😂)....we showed against Spurs we can keep it tight against better teams, and today Ancelloti threw caution to the wind which left us open but also allowed us to win comprehensively. 

Against Palace I think they'll sit back and try counter down our right with Zaha... I'd love us to move James central for Gomes, and bring Walcott in o the right to help prevent them targeting that side.

Think we’ll just not over commit in midfield like last week.

Walcott is disciplined but bringing him in for Gomes doesn’t really solve the issue of potentially being exposed as I think it would just open the middle up more.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 20, 2020, 12:10:57 AM
Outside the Oak

https://twitter.com/ryant_89/status/1307333589378494465
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 20, 2020, 12:12:46 AM
Outside the Oak

https://twitter.com/ryant_89/status/1307333589378494465

Like. A. Boss.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on September 20, 2020, 12:20:45 AM
Amazing isn't he.

When Big Don Carlo speaks, his soldiers listen.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: mikey_blue on September 20, 2020, 12:58:56 AM
I think our heavy metal football today was purely because it was a weaker side at home, who we believed was going to bunker. Pretty sure we won't be playing that way against say, United lol.

Be interesting to see our strategy away to Palace next week.

Got to assume it’s going to be similar to how we played against Spurs. Try and control the possession land watch out for the counter attack. Currently all their RB’s are injured so maybe overload them there.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 20, 2020, 01:06:30 AM
Got to assume it’s going to be similar to how we played against Spurs. Try and control the possession land watch out for the counter attack. Currently all their RB’s are injured so maybe overload them there.

That aligns well with our stronger attacking side. Digne & Richy could be in for a tidy game.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 20, 2020, 02:13:25 AM
Watched the Man U v Crystal Palace game and we definitely need to not underestimate them... Man U were extremely poor, but Palace were excellent on the counter, and our CB pairing is similar in style the Man U, so it'll be a problem if we let their pacey dribblers up against them.

Will need to keep possession well and control the game if we're to continue our winning start to the season
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on September 20, 2020, 02:15:43 AM
I think our heavy metal football today was purely because it was a weaker side at home, who we believed was going to bunker. Pretty sure we won't be playing that way against say, United lol.

Be interesting to see our strategy away to Palace next week.
Top of the table clash at Palace next week...


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2020, 02:16:57 AM
Glad we’ve fucked off playing 442 every game.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 20, 2020, 02:22:51 AM
Glad we’ve fucked off playing 442 every game.

Whaaaaa? Nooo...!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2020, 02:43:22 AM
Whaaaaa? Nooo...!

Yep

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 20, 2020, 02:49:08 AM
Yep

Not gonna complain about it! Next time we need something done, I'm coming to you first, mate.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2020, 02:51:30 AM
Not gonna complain about it! Next time we need something done, I'm coming to you first, mate.

Hotline to the boss 🤗
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 20, 2020, 02:54:51 AM
Hotline to the boss 🤗

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhJOFjz40BAJ8nm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 20, 2020, 02:55:20 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhJOFjz40BAJ8nm/giphy.gif)

Erotic.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 20, 2020, 03:00:44 AM
Employ a class manager, he attracts class players and things look up. Who'd of thought?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on September 20, 2020, 03:03:49 AM
Employ a class manager, he attracts class players and things look up. Who'd of thought?
A lot of credit to Moshiri (and friends...) for getting it done and then backing him in the market.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 20, 2020, 03:58:57 AM
Employ a class manager, he attracts class players and things look up. Who'd of thought?

Now you're just talking crazy.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on September 20, 2020, 04:53:22 PM
Pleased in the last two games that we’ve carried on going for goals when the games have been put to bed.

Didn’t get any late ones yesterday but when subs are coming on and things are still happening then it can make them feel like they’re contributing positively etc
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on September 20, 2020, 06:24:20 PM
Also current set up is a bit reminiscent of CA’s 433 at Chelsea
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 21, 2020, 02:14:29 AM
As pissed off as I was conceding that goal on Saturday I knew we'd come back and win. That is what Carlo has done for me... make me keep believing boss!!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 21, 2020, 03:25:42 AM
As pissed off as I was conceding that goal on Saturday I knew we'd come back and win. That is what Carlo has done for me... make me keep believing boss!!
Two confidence boosting games so far. A win away against a top 6 side and then coming from behind to win. Two big weights off our shoulders early on.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on September 21, 2020, 03:32:15 AM
As pissed off as I was conceding that goal on Saturday I knew we'd come back and win. That is what Carlo has done for me... make me keep believing boss!!
Me too. I knew we’d win even when they scored.

I did get a little jittery when their second went in but that didn’t last long.

I think the team have belief. We have that one player who can create that moment of magic even if he’s having a quiet game. Not many other teams can boast that.

One game at a time and it takes as much effort to win as it does lose so let’s go for it.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 22, 2020, 01:56:33 AM
this site is great for analysis. I find often when people talk about formations these kind of diagrams and heatmaps are more helpful to show what were doing. Will be nice to see the version from westbrom game. Carlo hes a fucking beaut int he

https://twitter.com/BetweenThePosts/status/1305597672208969733


Theres the west brom one. Interesting to see James and DCworthLewis so close, and lovely to see those 2 big balls at the back.
(https://i.redd.it/pod5gp26kho51.jpg)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 22, 2020, 08:11:01 AM
Robbed from a Juve fan who extends the comparison between Carlo's AC Milan team to current Everton team.

One-touch Striker: DCL - Inzaghi
DM recovers fast and plays to creator: Allan and James - Gattuso and Pirlo
Box to Box CM: Doucouré and Seedorf.
Skillful wide player who also protects centre. Richarlison - Kaká
Left back with nice hair and eyes: Maldini - Digne
Cafu - KillybegsCafu

a couple of those are my own work btw. Interesting. Although some differences, Seedorf played several different roles etc. I like the Gattuso pirlo comparison, both different to our versions, but your obviously not gonna be able to replicate the dynamic exactly, but just the idea of having those very different roles in each player is such a simple but clearly overlooked approach to team building, and the antithesis of pjanić buying number 10s and balding turks.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on September 22, 2020, 08:29:23 AM
Bit of a stretch like, but I admire the attempt.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on September 22, 2020, 08:37:38 AM
Did Doucoure write it?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 22, 2020, 08:56:39 AM
Did Doucoure write it?
doucoure made up KillybegsCafu
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 22, 2020, 12:07:54 PM
Richy is nothing like kaka.

Kaka was pure elegance on the pitch.

Richarlison is more like a relentless battering ram of a wide player.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 23, 2020, 02:50:44 PM
Good watch over your morning coffee:

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Lxxx on September 23, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
Interesting that.

Especially when we’ll get the inevitable shouts about Gomes not doing much soon but the balance with him in the side seems to make the whole thing work more fluidly.

(I actually agree Gomes could do a lot more than just shuffle around but hopefully that will come when he gets fitter and Ancelotti tells him to pull his finger out).
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 23, 2020, 04:42:36 PM
Good watch over your morning coffee:


I’d already had my morning coffee, but you did inspire me to switch the kettle on again, and watch that with a strong cuppa.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on September 23, 2020, 05:04:59 PM
I watched it over a glass of wine, because that’s what it deserves.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 23, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
I watched it over a glass of wine, because that’s what it deserves.

I forgot to mention that I got out me trusty glass pipe, as well.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on September 23, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
I forgot to mention that I got out me trusty glass pipe, as well.

I cooked some action man bow tie pasta and cracked open a bottle of blue nun.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 23, 2020, 09:10:31 PM
I forgot to mention that I got out me trusty glass pipe, as well.

I wouldn't have pegged you as a meth connoisseur. ;)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on September 23, 2020, 09:24:40 PM
I wouldn't have pegged you as a meth connoisseur. ;)
'Meth' seen here as an example of a superfluous word  ;)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 23, 2020, 09:34:26 PM
I wouldn't have pegged you as a meth connoisseur. ;)

Yeah, love it; makes the housework whizz by.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 23, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
I thought the most interesting part of that heatmap was how static Allan was. His positioning was absolutely immaculate for the 90 minutes. Compare that with Siggys few minutes, and he was all over the place.

That is how much our team has changed in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 23, 2020, 09:40:49 PM
'Meth' seen here as an example of a superfluous word  ;)

What are you implying, Mouse?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on September 23, 2020, 10:06:18 PM
What are you implying, Mouse?
Sorry, couldn't resist  :whistle:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 23, 2020, 10:06:49 PM
Yeah, love it; makes the housework whizz by.

Legit lol.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 23, 2020, 10:08:08 PM
Good watch over your morning coffee:

That was excellent watching, over my morning line off a prostitutes arse crack.

Excited for the game later.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 23, 2020, 11:30:53 PM
Legit lol.

I learnt that from Andre Agassi.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 23, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
Sorry, couldn't resist  :whistle:

Hurtful.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: 74Blue on September 24, 2020, 12:01:27 AM
I thought the most interesting part of that heatmap was how static Allan was. His positioning was absolutely immaculate for the 90 minutes. Compare that with Siggys few minutes, and he was all over the place.

That is how much our team has changed in a nutshell.
Just goes to show that it's not absolutely necessary to tear around like a headless chicken in order to be effective if you have a half decent footballing brain.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on September 24, 2020, 12:28:39 AM
Hurtful.
Now you're being paranoid, possibly caused by...
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 24, 2020, 12:29:34 AM
Now you're being paranoid, possibly caused by...

A prick on an internet forum? ;)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on September 24, 2020, 12:47:42 AM
A prick on an internet forum? ;)
lolol
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Goaljira on September 24, 2020, 03:42:06 AM
Consecutive 5-2 wins (that should have been 5-0s really) has got to be a first?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 24, 2020, 03:51:23 AM
14 goals in our first 4 games. Nice.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 24, 2020, 04:34:34 AM
14 goals in our first 4 games. Nice.

To put this in perspective we scored our 14th goal of the season in our 11th game last season and 4 of those were v Lincoln. We had just 8 league goals in our first 8 league games.

Massive progress.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 24, 2020, 04:39:01 AM
Conceding four against fleetwood and West Brom is what stands out to me.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: cantoffee on September 24, 2020, 07:40:30 AM
Conceding four against fleetwood and West Brom is what stands out to me.
To be fair we had a small LB at CB against Fleetwood and Pickford cocking things up.

Absolute worldy of a free kick in the WBA game as well.

Still shows that we need another CB for sure though.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 24, 2020, 08:07:38 AM
To be fair we had a small LB at CB against Fleetwood and Pickford cocking things up.

Absolute worldy of a free kick in the WBA game as well.

Still shows that we need another CB for sure though.

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This all day. We've had maybe 45 minutes of bad football in 4 games.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on September 24, 2020, 12:44:40 PM
To put this in perspective we scored our 14th goal of the season in our 11th game last season and 4 of those were v Lincoln. We had just 8 league goals in our first 8 league games.

Massive progress.

I'll reserve judgement just yet
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 24, 2020, 07:40:44 PM
I've had barrage of a abuse from my mates today who are a mix of Arsenal, United, Tottenham and er... Carlisle United fans saying we are the new Man City, buying our way up the league, etc.

Which is a great sign, they are worried. Normally just get "Everton are shit", "I don't mind Everton", etc - tunes of opposition fans changing rapidly and it's great to see.

(Until Palace bring us back down to earth on Sunday anyway!)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 24, 2020, 07:46:42 PM
I've had barrage of a abuse from my mates today who are a mix of Arsenal, United, Tottenham and er... Carlisle United fans saying we are the new Man City, buying our way up the league, etc.

Which is a great sign, they are worried. Normally just get "Everton are shit", "I don't mind Everton", etc - tunes of opposition fans changing rapidly and it's great to see.

(Until Palace bring us back down to earth on Sunday anyway!)

Arsenal, United & Spurs fans complaining about buying anything...that's rich.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 24, 2020, 11:33:19 PM
I've had barrage of a abuse from my mates today who are a mix of Arsenal, United, Tottenham and er... Carlisle United fans saying we are the new Man City, buying our way up the league, etc.

Which is a great sign, they are worried. Normally just get "Everton are shit", "I don't mind Everton", etc - tunes of opposition fans changing rapidly and it's great to see.

(Until Palace bring us back down to earth on Sunday anyway!)

Yeah, it’s kind of inevitable.

Both the worried jealousy thing from bellend fans of bellendy clubs (and Carlisle) and us losing a game to someone we feel we should beat.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Sixx1402 on September 25, 2020, 12:01:06 AM
Buying our way up the league?

I guess they haven't seen our transfer spend for the last few seasons (whistle)
I've had barrage of a abuse from my mates today who are a mix of Arsenal, United, Tottenham and er... Carlisle United fans saying we are the new Man City, buying our way up the league, etc.

Which is a great sign, they are worried. Normally just get "Everton are shit", "I don't mind Everton", etc - tunes of opposition fans changing rapidly and it's great to see.

(Until Palace bring us back down to earth on Sunday anyway!)

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2020, 12:07:04 AM
Buying our way up the league?

I guess they haven't seen our transfer spend for the last few seasons (whistle)
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Or our league positions!

The first club in the league to effectively buy themselves down the league.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dunkster on September 25, 2020, 12:14:43 AM
Buying our way up the league. Isn't that what everyone does? Buy players to try get up the league.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Confucius on September 25, 2020, 12:29:06 AM
I thought the most interesting part of that heatmap was how static Allan was. His positioning was absolutely immaculate for the 90 minutes. Compare that with Siggys few minutes, and he was all over the place.

That is how much our team has changed in a nutshell.

The fickle nature of fans. Allan is supposed to sit as a defensive midfielder. Sig is supposed to play higher up or has done is entire career pressing wherever the ball goes.

Different players, different positions, different heat maps. Not comparable in my opinion.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 25, 2020, 12:55:20 AM
Buying our way up the league?

I guess they haven't seen our transfer spend for the last few seasons (whistle)
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Or our league positions!

The first club in the league to effectively buy themselves down the league.

Just cheap shots isn't. They are very good friends and their football knowledge is good as far as what Sky tell them so they have no clue about Everton.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 27, 2020, 01:46:12 AM
Looks like Carlo is instilling a winning mentality at the club. We didnt play brilliantly today, especially in the second half, but we got the win.

Five straight wins now, but this was the most pleasing win for me so far because its clear that there's been a mentality shift.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on September 27, 2020, 01:50:28 AM
Looks like Carlo is instilling a winning mentality at the club. We didnt play brilliantly today, especially in the second half, but we got the win.

Five straight wins now, but this was the most pleasing win for me so far because its clear that there's been a mentality shift.

Can’t play open stuff all the time.

Majority of away games will need to be toughed out.

Didn’t concede many, if any, good chances after we went back in front.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 27, 2020, 01:53:49 AM
Can’t play open stuff all the time.

Majority of away games will need to be toughed out.

Didn’t concede many, if any, good chances after we went back in front.

I think this is the key, under pressure most of the half but they barely created any good chances (maybe the Koyate header the best one) and we did.

Long may that contune. Biggest concern was we kept giving away dangerous set pieces, we have to try and cut that out. I was convinced an equaliser was going to come from one of them, thankfully it didn't
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 27, 2020, 01:54:35 AM
Can’t play open stuff all the time.

Majority of away games will need to be toughed out.

Didn’t concede many, if any, good chances after we went back in front.

Exactly. Palace team xG was 0.44. Means if not for the very good finish, they did nothing else to actually threaten us.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on September 27, 2020, 01:56:50 AM
I think this is the key, under pressure most of the half but they barely created any good chances (maybe the Koyate header the best one) and we did.

Long may that contune. Biggest concern was we kept giving away dangerous set pieces, we have to try and cut that out. I was convinced an equaliser was going to come from one of them, thankfully it didn't

Yes I’d hope for better ball retention.

Couple of breaks where we didn’t quite pick the right pass which would have made very good chances if we had done.

DCL is great with high/ difficult balls up to him. An area he can work on is the balls into feet for quick lay offs etc which will help in some situations when we’re deeper
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 27, 2020, 01:38:48 PM
And to think we were all flapping a few weeks ago thinking we'd be playing 4-4-2 😂

5 out of 5, scoring goals, mental grit we've not seen for years, and his signings all making a huge difference... Ancelotti is amazing, no two ways about it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on September 27, 2020, 02:53:07 PM
To be fair we had a small LB at CB against Fleetwood and Pickford cocking things up.

Absolute worldy of a free kick in the WBA game as well.

Still shows that we need another CB for sure though.

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........koulibaly plz carlo :whistle: & bring foster in from Watford
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: 74Blue on September 27, 2020, 02:56:54 PM
........koulibaly plz carlo :whistle: & bring foster in from Watford

As poor has some of Pickford's performances have been, if you think Ben Foster's the answer, I really don't want to know the question.
Ben Foster would not be an upgrade on Pickford in any way, shape or form. He's shite!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on September 27, 2020, 03:00:55 PM
by far the best goalie in the prem last season - all down to opinions bud
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 27, 2020, 04:07:13 PM
And to think we were all flapping a few weeks ago thinking we'd be playing 4-4-2 😂

5 out of 5, scoring goals, mental grit we've not seen for years, and his signings all making a huge difference... Ancelotti is amazing, no two ways about it.

And it vindicates all of us who were derided on here for not being into 442.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 27, 2020, 04:09:53 PM
And it vindicates all of us who were derided on here for not being into 442.

Absolutely, and I was also against 4-4-2... I just mean as a fan base we were a little nervous about the start of the season and what formation we'd play, but Ancelotti has shown he 100% knows what he's doing, and we should just totally trust that he's got this.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 27, 2020, 04:18:08 PM
Absolutely, and I was also against 4-4-2... I just mean as a fan base we were a little nervous about the start of the season and what formation we'd play, but Ancelotti has shown he 100% knows what he's doing, and we should just totally trust that he's got this.

Yeah, but we had good reason to worry, because we’d played it pretty rigidly post lockdown, and got hemmed in at home to both Leicester and Southampton, through a combination of having a poor midfield, but also an outnumbered one.

Obviously I hoped it was just because he was trying to get the best out of DCL and Richarlison, but it was hard to predict anything until our potentially excellent reinforcements were brought in (although we did play 433 in both pre-season games, so it did look like is was going to happen for real)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 27, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
There will be games where 442 will get used for tactical reasons. I'd be much more at ease now though, with Allan and Doucoure as the middle two. I think Allan was used by Ancelotti in a 2 at Napoli, and Doucoure has an engine.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 27, 2020, 04:37:12 PM
There will be games where 442 will get used for tactical reasons. I'd be much more at ease now though, with Allan and Doucoure as the middle two. I think Allan was used by Ancelotti in a 2 at Napoli, and Doucoure has an engine.

Well, we have slipped into it on a fair few occasions in all of our league games, and that’s because we are now able to be more fluid, due to having better players, and having valuable time during pre-season for Ancelotti and his team to properly get their ideas across.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 27, 2020, 04:52:24 PM
Looks like Carlo is instilling a winning mentality at the club. We didnt play brilliantly today, especially in the second half, but we got the win.

Five straight wins now, but this was the most pleasing win for me so far because its clear that there's been a mentality shift.

This is my fervent prayer.

Top of the league after 3 is OK.
Unbeaten after 3 is OK.

The mentality we're building though...

I hope there is enough buoyancy, mental strength and belief that we see a very different display against the shite in a few games time.

This is huge, for me, personally. There's been the odd decent display in terms of "we will fight you for everything" but I can't remember a recent game where we looked like we believed that we are as good as them. Not for a long time.

At this stage of the season, this is the most important game to me right now.

Bitter? Probably.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on September 27, 2020, 06:50:21 PM
https://twitter.com/xGDifferential/status/1310182372042772480

https://twitter.com/xGDifferential/status/1310182387012251648
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on September 27, 2020, 08:16:05 PM
by far the best goalie in the prem last season - all down to opinions bud

And yours is shiiiiiite
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 27, 2020, 08:24:34 PM
As poor has some of Pickford's performances have been, if you think Ben Foster's the answer, I really don't want to know the question.
Ben Foster would not be an upgrade on Pickford in any way, shape or form. He's shite!
Foster is a very sensible shout. Although he's not an upgrade on Pickford he's a significant upgrade on our current backups.
I don't think we will consider replacing Pickford this season but what we do need is a viable replacement with PL experience that won't be fazed if he has to step in for a week or three.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 27, 2020, 08:36:36 PM
by far the best goalie in the prem last season - all down to opinions bud

lol wut
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 27, 2020, 08:39:07 PM
https://twitter.com/xGDifferential/status/1310182372042772480

https://twitter.com/xGDifferential/status/1310182387012251648

Encouraging early days signs no doubt. Let's check back in after we've played more, and some better teams.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 27, 2020, 09:14:17 PM
I simply can not believe the reaction from the media to that penalty decision.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 27, 2020, 09:15:35 PM
I simply can not believe the reaction from the media to that penalty decision.

Thought it was a bit harsh but not over and above anything else I've ever seen?

The shite got one about 40 seconds into a champions league final that was worse than that!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on September 27, 2020, 09:32:26 PM
Thought it was a bit harsh but not over and above anything else I've ever seen?

The shite got one about 40 seconds into a champions league final that was worse than that!

They also got one against Leeds.

I'm made up with the reaction, the amount of shite decisions that went against us last season was ridiculous, it's a refreshing to be on the right side of one for a change.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on September 27, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
Thought it was a bit harsh but not over and above anything else I've ever seen?

The shite got one about 40 seconds into a champions league final that was worse than that!

Like it’s the first time anyone’s worked out that things look worse in slow motion too.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on September 27, 2020, 10:23:54 PM
People have always been like this with handball.

I feel like anything other than picking the ball up gets defended.

His arm was out by his side and it hit it. Might be harsh but it’s a clear handball.

They just like something to fume over. Last year it was the offside rule now it’s this.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 28, 2020, 05:01:14 AM
I’ve never seen anything quite like it. Classless idiots thinking we were born yesterday.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on September 28, 2020, 10:49:48 AM
by far the best goalie in the prem last season - all down to opinions bud

It really isn't.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 28, 2020, 01:24:37 PM
People have always been like this with handball.

I feel like anything other than picking the ball up gets defended.

His arm was out by his side and it hit it. Might be harsh but it’s a clear handball.

They just like something to fume over. Last year it was the offside rule now it’s this.



I dunno though.

I liked what Hodgson said afterwards. It was very simple. Simple in this game is good. It keeps the game flowing. This VAR is the pits. You don't know whether you can celebrate a goal or not any more.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 28, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
I couldn't help but notice that if his hand was at his side (or, not moving towards the ball) then it was dropping to a pretty much unmarked Richarlison in the 6 yard box.

It's a daft rule, but I'd have fumed at us being denied a clear goal scoring opportunity over it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on September 28, 2020, 05:01:21 PM
I couldn't help but notice that if his hand was at his side (or, not moving towards the ball) then it was dropping to a pretty much unmarked Richarlison in the 6 yard box.

It's a daft rule, but I'd have fumed at us being denied a clear goal scoring opportunity over it.

I'd agree, but Richarlison was offside.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 28, 2020, 05:40:27 PM
I'd agree, but Richarlison was offside.

That's what I thought too... Hate the new rule, it was clearly accidental and the only player it could fall to from our team was offside.

It might be correctly given based on the rules, but the rules are fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 28, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
I would prefer them to give the referees control back as to whether they think it is a handball offence rather than just having to force them to give a penalty every time it hits the hand, no matter the circumstances.

Despite the rules saying that it has to be given, I believe our penalty was valid due to the fact it would have gone onto Richarlison in a goal scoring position. However, the penalty given for Newcastle yesterday was atrocious. Dier had no clue that it even hit his hand or even where the ball was at the time, and it wouldn't have gone onto become a goal scoring opportunity.

It's not the refs fault at all. It's not even VARs fault. It's the FA that needs to change the rules back to give back control to the guys in charge of interpreting the game - the referees and VAR.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 28, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
I suppose you could argue that although Richarlison was in an offside position - the defender may not have known that or may not have known if it would be given - but I'm really not having it.

Was it handball or was it ball to hand?
Was it deliberate?
Did the player's team stop a goalscoring opportunity or gain an obvious advantage, such as gaining/keeping possession?

Then let the referees decide and it's really that simple.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 28, 2020, 06:27:36 PM
Maybe he was off, maybe not.

Maybe it had backspin on it and Digne would have got on the end of his own header.

Maybe the keeper, distracted by a rare and tropical bird in the distance, allows the ball to trickle through his legs unmolested.

Maybe he had his hand out and stopped the ball. No, no maybes on that one soz.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 28, 2020, 07:57:23 PM
I genuinely don't think the new rule is that bad.

It's consistent if anything which you can never usually say for handball decisions.

The faux outrage from Carragher, Shearer etc is painful to listen to.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 28, 2020, 08:12:46 PM
Maybe he was off, maybe not.

Maybe it had backspin on it and Digne would have got on the end of his own header.

Maybe the keeper, distracted by a rare and tropical bird in the distance, allows the ball to trickle through his legs unmolested.

Maybe he had his hand out and stopped the ball. No, no maybes on that one soz.

haha! Loved this.

I dunno. Maybe your way does make it more clear cut and clinical. Maybe that's not how I want my football. All I know is I felt bad when we got that penalty. It didn't feel deserved and I felt sorry for the other team like we'd cheated or something. I just didn't like it and I thought Dom's was worse.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Blue Lagoon on September 28, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
Decent read from the Athletic. Don’t think anyone’s posted it:

Improved team spirit, xG and passing – Ancelotti’s Everton 2.0

By Greg O'Keeffe  Sep 27, 2020  15 
Goals, grit and the best player on the pitch — welcome to Carlo Ancelotti’s Everton 2.0.

Five games, five wins and a newfound belief and resilience.

The contrast between the Everton of last season and this, given the addition of just three senior players so far, is remarkable. Top of the Premier League and a team that is growing in confidence and momentum with each win. But what are the tactical and personnel changes fuelling this transformation?

Saturday’s victory over a dogged and threatening Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park wasn’t the new Everton’s prettiest victory yet, but in some ways, it was their most impressive.

Ancelotti’s change from the expedient 4-4-2 he adopted from interim coach Duncan Ferguson last term has helped the team’s new attacking potency.

The addition of midfielders Allan and Abdoulaye Doucoure was much-needed, and their fit into a three alongside Andre Gomes provides a solid platform for three of the top flight’s most in-form attackers to flourish.

In Dominic Calvert-Lewin, now the division’s joint top scorer after notching his fifth goal in three games, Richarlison and outstanding Colombian James Rodriguez, they have a front three that will trouble any defence.

The statistics by comparison to last season, even on the small sample size of three league games, underline the difference.

Everton’s goal per game ratio has more than doubled from 1.2 to 2.7. Although their shots per game numbers have not risen as dramatically (12.3 to 14), the rate they’re converting them has, with Calvert-Lewin & Co sparking an increase from 9.4 per cent to 19.1 per cent.

Even during the less slick win in south London, it was clear the visitors had the game’s most gifted player in their ranks. Rodriguez is defying critics who labelled him a busted flush after he was frozen out by Zinedine Zidane at Real Madrid last season.

Watching him is a delight. Whether it was the perfectly-weighted precision pass into Seamus Coleman in the build-up to Calvert-Lewin’s opening goal, or his switches of play to Lucas Digne before the second, he makes things happen.

Rodriguez has helped a significant increase in expected goals (xG), a metric that rates the probability of a scoring opportunity resulting in a goal. Everton have increased their xG by 1.0 per match — from 1.4 to 2.4 — after the first three games, suggesting they’re creating better chances than last term.

Last season the Merseysiders had nobody ranked in the league’s top 20 attackers, according to WhoScored.com. You had to scroll down to 25th to find Richarlison with 13 goals, three assists, and 2.5 shots per game. This time around, they have two in the top five (Calvert-Lewin, second, and Richarlison, third), with Rodriguez just outside in seventh. Even left-back Digne features in the top 30 (29th).

The latter does not just influence Everton’s attack. His poise and ability to keep the ball has raised standards.

With Roy Hodgson’s men cranking-up the pressure on Everton yesterday as they sought an equaliser, Rodriguez received the ball on the right near to the full-back position. As three Palace players closed him down, he turned one way, then another, evaded the press and pinged a curved crossfield pass into the feet of Doucoure, whom he had spotted in space.

Boasting the ball-retention skills of Allan and Doucoure’s passing ability, Everton’s passes per game and the accuracy of them is also hugely up from last season. Their passing accuracy is up from 78 per cent to 86.8 per cent, making them one of the league’s best ball-retainers.

As Ancelotti himself noted after the points were sealed at Palace, his team’s defending is significantly better too.

Barring the zonal marking lapse that allowed Cheikhou Kouyate to head home Palace’s equaliser, Everton dealt superbly with the attacking pressure the hosts turned on them.

Michael Keane’s growing assuredness on the ball is helping, as is the protection the defence is receiving from Allan and Doucoure. Keane completed 63 of his 70 passes, more than anyone on the pitch. He had a 90 per cent passing accuracy, the same as Rodriguez.

The new solidity between defence and midfield is reflected overall in the numbers. Everton are facing far fewer shots than last term, and they’re restricting their opponents to lower quality chances too (xG against), with two of their three goals against coming from outside the box. Overall their xG against has shrunk from 1.3 to 0.6.

Saturday’s match was the only home game in the last four seasons when former Everton target Wilfried Zaha failed to dribble around a single opponent, according to statistician Matt Cheetham.



When the flying forward did break free, he was chased down and thwarted, as with the lung-busting run from Doucoure, who tracked the Palace attacker and snuffed out his dangerous surge in the second half.

In the end, it was one intangible factor, which Ancelotti noted, that ensured Everton went top of the table for a day, before Leicester City’s win at Manchester City.

“It’s really important to see the spirit in the team, which is good at this moment and that is the reason we have started the season well,” said Ancelotti.

He bemoaned the lack of that quality following defeats by Wolverhampton Wanderers and Tottenham Hotspur towards the end of last season, but that team unity is making a big difference now.

Watching Everton in the last few seasons, it was hard to trust they would have the backbone to cling on in a tense encounter like Saturday’s.

Not anymore. Everton 2.0 have got the guts to match their glamour. It’s an exciting combination.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on September 29, 2020, 12:28:54 AM
I don't think the media have gone over the top with the handball tbh. I think there was just as much comment last week with Lindelof's.

I think a bit more coverage could have gone into our win at the weekend, and our start to the season generally, but I suppose there's been quite a few other big stories this weekend with City's heavy loss, the Spurs penalty, Chelsea's struggles and Man U's outrageous fortune.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Risky on September 29, 2020, 01:56:03 AM
I genuinely don't think the new rule is that bad.

It's consistent if anything which you can never usually say for handball decisions.

The faux outrage from Carragher, Shearer etc is painful to listen to.

It's interesting really.  It used to be moaning from all and sundry about "just wanting consistency" from referees.  But now there's consistency there's just something else to moan about instead.

But you've pretty much only got 2 choices here, which is that you go with what they're doing now and make virtually anything a handball.  Or the alternative which is to go back to having it a more judgemental decision based on intent, which leads to people interpreting the same incident in different ways even without bias being involved.

Personally preferred it the old way, but all of this "the game's gone" bollocks is massively over-dramatic.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 29, 2020, 02:13:43 AM
Football's an imperfect game and VAR won't change that, it will just make it worse. The sheer amount of money won or lost on a decision has lead us here imo... where will it end? Tactical attempts to hit a defender on the arm to claim a VAR? because it could win a game/trophy? I guess we've had them against us so this levels it out. The first call was bollocks but the second one... Digne's header down would have reached Richy if it hadn't hit the defenders arm, so for me, that's a pen... unlucky.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on September 29, 2020, 02:28:04 AM
It really isn't.
oooh yesi have it is mate ...... have been watching top flight footy for over 60 yrs and have a decent opinion on footy - am not happy with pickford mistake after mistake after mistake - he is clearly a weakness in out growing excellent side
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 29, 2020, 03:35:50 AM
VAR has got a lot better this season. But the rules need to change regarding handball. Once you get the rules right, VAR will be a brilliant addition and it will improve the accuracy of decisions that should benefit the game.

It’s really easy to fix. Just don’t have stupid rules.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on September 29, 2020, 04:52:26 AM
The rules will evolve and VAR will help that process by highlighting the stupid (note the change in the attacking handball this season). I'm not sure what happens at pitch side checks but I think refs should only see replays at normal speed unless they ask for it to be slowed down. Everything looks worse and more exaggerated in slow motion.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 29, 2020, 04:58:23 AM
The rules will evolve and VAR will help that process by highlighting the stupid (note the change in the attacking handball this season). I'm not sure what happens at pitch side checks but I think refs should only see replays at normal speed unless they ask for it to be slowed down. Everything looks worse and more exaggerated in slow motion.

The pitch side check is pointless to me. The ref is changing his decision based on someone already telling him he’s got it wrong
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on September 29, 2020, 05:12:57 AM
I love the pitchside check, and think it's a massive improvement and they should've been doing it all along.

But factored into the pitchside check should be 'this doesn't necessarily mean you overturn the decision, but at least have a look, and if you're still happy with your decision, stick with it'
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 29, 2020, 05:26:25 AM
The pitch side check is pointless to me. The ref is changing his decision based on someone already telling him he’s got it wrong

It's the single most important component to VAR working properly though.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on September 29, 2020, 05:32:57 AM
The ref should be the final say. VAR is only a tool. If the operator’s say the ref needs to relook at something then he goes to his monitor and makes his decision from that. Simple.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on September 29, 2020, 09:25:56 AM
 
Football's an imperfect game and VAR won't change that, it will just make it worse. The sheer amount of money won or lost on a decision has lead us here imo... where will it end? Tactical attempts to hit a defender on the arm to claim a VAR? because it could win a game/trophy? I guess we've had them against us so this levels it out. The first call was bollocks but the second one... Digne's header down would have reached Richy if it hadn't hit the defenders arm, so for me, that's a pen... unlucky.


Got to agree with the penalty decision. If they are awarding penalties, for the
 slightest touch on a hand. If it changes direction! Which is what happened, from what I could see? Tell me different. Richarlison might not have scored, but the ball did change direction after it hit the defenders hand. I think that's why it was given. Other than that? It looked like a poor decision. I thought under the present rules; they had no choice but to give it. Carlo got it right. Haha! He would, wouldn't he. 🙂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on September 29, 2020, 10:34:26 AM
oooh yesi have it is mate ...... have been watching top flight footy for over 60 yrs and have a decent opinion on footy - am not happy with pickford mistake after mistake after mistake - he is clearly a weakness in out growing excellent side

Stating that Foster was the best 'keeper in the league is rubbish though, regardless of how you feel about Pickford. And to say "it's all about opinions" when challenged is plainly wrong, because Foster was far from the best.

It's like me saying the sky is green and saying "we'll that's my opinion" when challenged. It doesn't matter what my opinion is, I'm clearly wrong.

I absolutely loathe this 'my opinion' bullshit that's become a common counter to debate in recent years, not just in football but all walks of life.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 29, 2020, 02:46:05 PM
The ref should be the final say. VAR is only a tool. If the operator’s say the ref needs to relook at something then he goes to his monitor and makes his decision from that. Simple.


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In theory yes. But they are going there already aware that someone else has looked at it and told them they’ve got it wrong. Has there been any cases yet where they have gone there and gone “nah I was right originally”?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on September 29, 2020, 03:39:57 PM
In theory yes. But they are going there already aware that someone else has looked at it and told them they’ve got it wrong. Has there been any cases yet where they have gone there and gone “nah I was right originally”?

Yeah I'd imagine it goes something along the lines of... You better go review that on the monitor as it looks to us like it's a penalty... Ref goes over and they go... Ok see see how his hand is in x position instead of y, so by the rules that's a penalty, do you agree? 

I can't imagine he's going over and looking at it independently of any advice or conversation with the VAR ref.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 29, 2020, 04:18:12 PM
In theory yes. But they are going there already aware that someone else has looked at it and told them they’ve got it wrong. Has there been any cases yet where they have gone there and gone “nah I was right originally”?

We will set the precedent when we have 3 pens overturned in The Derby.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on September 29, 2020, 05:34:25 PM
We will set the precedent when we have 3 pens overturned in The Derby.

What about the second half?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: love is love on September 30, 2020, 01:53:30 AM
Everton should 100% compare them selves with Liverpool. This Liverpool team is something Everton can reach. It is all players mentality as Carlo has said.

I want Everton just to kick them in the derby and fuck the result.  That is how we broke them in the 80s.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on September 30, 2020, 02:06:22 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sportslens.com/report-evertons-carlo-ancelotti-voted-as-the-best-manager-in-the-history-of-psg/316395/amp/

Just been voted PSGs greatest manager. And it’s great to know we won our first four premiership games of the season.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on September 30, 2020, 03:09:02 AM
Everton should 100% compare them selves with Liverpool. This Liverpool team is something Everton can reach. It is all players mentality as Carlo has said.

I want Everton just to kick them in the derby and fuck the result.  That is how we broke them in the 80s.

We just kicked them in the 80’s?

Nonsense.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on September 30, 2020, 05:16:14 AM
Everton have apparently taken on Statsbomb for recruitment and opposition analysis.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on September 30, 2020, 05:28:49 AM
Everton have apparently taken on Statsbomb for recruitment and opposition analysis.

Good news eh?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ncstate4jpc on September 30, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
Watched Howard’s Way on Amazon tonight. If you haven’t seen it yet, it’s a must. Film is class, very well done. 
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on September 30, 2020, 04:24:06 PM
It's the single most important component to VAR working properly though.

Why is it?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on September 30, 2020, 04:27:01 PM
I do like that refs are looking at it again themselves and they have a say.

But having watched rugby all my life I know this isn't the be all and end all for whether VAR should work and be competent.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 30, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
Why is it?

Because the final decision should be with the referee, not the VAR.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 30, 2020, 07:10:04 PM
Watched Howard’s Way on Amazon tonight. If you haven’t seen it yet, it’s a must. Film is class, very well done. 

Choked me up at times because I was at all those games. It also made me realise I am am older man now... but as Pink Floyd wrote " The memories of a man in his old age are the deeds of a man in his prime".. as you said, a must watch.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Heisenberg on September 30, 2020, 07:50:01 PM
Dying for us to win something under this guy. Love him and I get the impression he is loving his time here. Mad how one man can completely change the outlook of a club
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 30, 2020, 08:04:14 PM
Dying for us to win something under this guy. Love him and I get the impression he is loving his time here. Mad how one man can completely change the outlook of a club

He might literally be the only good thing to have happened to the universe in the past 10 months.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 30, 2020, 09:36:17 PM
I'm checking my expectations about him really.

In the grand scheme of things, we're probably on par with Napoli (more successful, of course, but currently in that B tier within their league).
Ancelotti got them into champions league qualification levels (and they won a cup the season he left).

As long as Moshiri can continue the ambition, i'd be fucking ecstatic with that as his legacy.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Gary1878 on September 30, 2020, 09:41:13 PM
Carlo's legacy should be about shaping the history of our next chapter, and making a generational change in the attitude of the club.

We need to revert back to being a club that is as much about being successful on the pitch as it is about family and traditions off of it.

I think he has already been quite successful in his first few months in achieving a change, and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: arteta4spain on September 30, 2020, 11:26:45 PM
I think he fits the club ethos perfectly. He’s boss!


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 01, 2020, 01:28:15 AM
Because the final decision should be with the referee, not the VAR.

Why should it be?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 01:30:19 AM
Why should it be?

Because they're the ref on the pitch instead of some guy in a box looking at monitors and ultimately the final decision should be theirs? Anywhere VAR has been successful this is how it's done, not sure how else to explain it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 01, 2020, 01:37:32 AM
Because they're the ref on the pitch instead of some guy in a box looking at monitors and ultimately the final decision should be theirs? Anywhere VAR has been successful this is how it's done, not sure how else to explain it.

So the final decision should be with the ref because it should be the ref's decision?

Doesn't really answer my question about why the ref needs to have the final say. It works that way if course, but in theory it should work the other way too. There should be no difference
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 01:39:21 AM
So the final decision should be with the ref because it should be the ref's decision?

Doesn't really answer my question about why the ref needs to have the final say. It works that way if course, but in theory it should work the other way too. There should be no difference

Not quite what I said. The final decision should be with the ref who made the original call. He can take a 2nd look at either confirm his original decision, or change it thanks to the VAR suggesting he take a second look. The actual in-game ref should have the decision.

edit: VAR exists to SUGGEST to the in-game ref. It doesn't exist to make decisions. You may not like VAR, perfectly fine, but that's what it was designed to do.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 01, 2020, 02:02:35 AM
Not quite what I said. The final decision should be with the ref who made the original call. He can take a 2nd look at either confirm his original decision, or change it thanks to the VAR suggesting he take a second look. The actual in-game ref should have the decision.

edit: VAR exists to SUGGEST to the in-game ref. It doesn't exist to make decisions. You may not like VAR, perfectly fine, but that's what it was designed to do.

But it is what you said. I asked why should the ref have the final say. Your reason for then having it is because they should. That isnt a reason.

No VAR doesn't need to be used like that and isnt used like that all the time either anyway. The ref doesnt need to have the final say. You've not give me a reason they do need to have the final say.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 02:34:24 AM
But it is what you said. I asked why should the ref have the final say. Your reason for then having it is because they should. That isnt a reason.

No VAR doesn't need to be used like that and isnt used like that all the time either anyway. The ref doesnt need to have the final say. You've not give me a reason they do need to have the final say.

You should probably take it up with UEFA then. I didn't create the guidelines for how VAR is used.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 01, 2020, 02:38:17 AM
You should probably take it up with UEFA then. I didn't create the guidelines for how VAR is used.

I know you didn't. You're just not backing up your argument about why the ref should make the final say. Also you're talking nonsense about var making suggestions, theres been decisions where the ref has just gone with what var has said


As insay, as a rugby watcher I know the ref does not need to have the final say on decisions.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 02:42:02 AM
I know you didn't. You're just not backing up your argument about why the ref should make the final say. Also you're talking nonsense about var making suggestions, theres been decisions where the ref has just gone with what var has said


As insay, as a rugby watcher I know the ref does not need to have the final say on decisions.

Yes, VAR makes the final "decision" when it's an obvious one. Such as say, offside. When the ref uses the sideline pitch monitor - as they should have been doing all last season - it's because it's a close call and VAR has been instructed to tell the ref he may want to take a second look. Do you watch much non-EPL footy? If you do, then you already know this is how VAR is and has been used, in every league where it's implemented, as well as the last World Cup, and all continental cup tourneys.

Rugby has fuck all to do with this.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 01, 2020, 02:45:56 AM
Yes, VAR makes the final "decision" when it's an obvious one. Such as say, offside. When the ref uses the sideline pitch monitor - as they should have been doing all last season - it's because it's a close call and VAR has been instructed to tell the ref he may want to take a second look. Do you watch much non-EPL footy? If you do, then you already know this is how VAR is and has been used, in every league where it's implemented, as well as the last World Cup, and all continental cup tourneys.

Rugby has fuck all to do with this.

Right. But what I'm asking is why does it need to be the ref that needs to have a 2nd look? Other than you saying the ref should have final say (why???) I've not heard a genuine argument as to why that's so important

Also I'm just referring to another sport that uses video support far better than any footy has so far so I think it is a good base to refer to.

So that said, rugby and other sports have got something to do with it 👍
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: everton15 on October 01, 2020, 03:08:53 AM
Stating that Foster was the best 'keeper in the league is rubbish though, regardless of how you feel about Pickford. And to say "it's all about opinions" when challenged is plainly wrong, because Foster was far from the best.

It's like me saying the sky is green and saying "we'll that's my opinion" when challenged. It doesn't matter what my opinion is, I'm clearly wrong.

I absolutely loathe this 'my opinion' bullshit that's become a common counter to debate in recent years, not just in football but all walks of life.
I respect your OPINION mate because u post some good shit in here - but.........please don't come across like some professional expert.....your not...... you we are just fans with a good experienced opinion on footy - plz don't patronise with that post
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
Give him the keys to the city.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on October 01, 2020, 04:04:43 AM
The way we pass the ball at times is something else... We're not quite there in terms of we go through spells where we can't pass at all, but for large spells now we just ping it about like we're a top team.

That 4th goal with the intricate passes to make the chance was sublime.

I think as the season goes on those sloppy spells will start to fade and we'll dare I say it have even more comfortable performances!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 04:07:33 AM
Watching Ped's live Instant Match Reaction and he just summed it up perfectly.

"It feels good to be an Evertonian right now."

 :hail: Carlo
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on October 01, 2020, 05:34:40 AM
Just this, really.

His side have now won six games in a row and if they were to beat Brighton on Saturday, it would represent the club's best start to a season since 1894. BBC: Match report.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 01, 2020, 06:08:04 AM
I swear he starts every post match with "Motivated, focused, momentum"

Playing Carlo bingo is easy!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on October 01, 2020, 07:23:51 AM
I respect your OPINION mate because u post some good shit in here - but.........please don't come across like some professional expert.....your not...... you we are just fans with a good experienced opinion on footy - plz don't patronise with that post

There's nothing patronising about it, you can't use "my opinion" as a counter when challenged on an incorrect statement.

I don't need to be a professional expert to know that Ben Foster wasn't the best 'keeper in the league last season.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: NickNack on October 01, 2020, 11:55:35 AM
Right. But what I'm asking is why does it need to be the ref that needs to have a 2nd look? Other than you saying the ref should have final say (why???) I've not heard a genuine argument as to why that's so important

Also I'm just referring to another sport that uses video support far better than any footy has so far so I think it is a good base to refer to.

So that said, rugby and other sports have got something to do with it 👍
I don’t follow rugby so my thoughts are purely from a footballing perspective but I think the match ref should be the one who makes the final decision at least where the decision involves a judgement call. The VAR official should be just that, an assistant.

Where it’s something like an offside where the VAR gets his slide rule out and it’s obvious a player is offside then fair enough but where there are instances where VAR gives the ref a nudge and tells him he might want to look at an incident again, the match official on the pitch should have the final say IMO.

Like I said I don’t follow rugby and they might have a better system but I think most of football’s issues with VAR are to do with the rules themselves.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Confucius on October 01, 2020, 12:01:28 PM
Great manager. What a difference.

We a continental team now. We pass well, we patient, but we not passing for the sake of it. Nothing is aimless. Mentality is different.

Nobody ever seems to be running full pace anymore. Everyone just jogs around.

Haven’t been out of 2nd gear all season it seems
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2020, 12:07:15 PM
The passing quality has been the biggest difference IMO.

Had a quick luck and for the last three seasons our pass accuracy has been 75%-77%, so far this season we’ve averaged 88% in the league and higher if you include the cup games.

To put it in context, only Man City hit that level last year (89%) with the rest of the big 6 all at 81%-85%.

The new players have been great, but that’s a squad metric and the other 8 have clearly upped their game too.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: NickNack on October 01, 2020, 12:20:29 PM
The passing quality has been the biggest difference IMO.

Had a quick luck and for the last three seasons our pass accuracy has been 75%-77%, so far this season we’ve averaged 88% in the league and higher if you include the cup games.

To put it in context, only Man City hit that level last year (89%) with the rest of the big 6 all at 81%-85%.

The new players have been great, but that’s a squad metric and the other 8 have clearly upped their game too.
Yep I was thinking that in the first half last night.  Massive difference in passing quality since Carlo arrived, especially this season...
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2020, 01:01:05 PM
Decent manager. Seems to have a vague idea what he's doing.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on October 01, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
Everton should 100% compare them selves with Liverpool. This Liverpool team is something Everton can reach. It is all players mentality as Carlo has said.

I want Everton just to kick them in the derby and fuck the result.  That is how we broke them in the 80s.

Three things:

1. Our successful team in the 80s was one of the most talented, fast-moving, fluid-passing teams that most of us have ever had the pleasure to witness. We certainly did not 'break' anybody by kicking them.

2. You would be hard pressed to find a bigger bunch of yard dogs than the dirty, filthy team of cunts that was the Liverpool side in the 80s. Yes, they had some talent, but they were absolute fucking evil to play against if you were as good as or better than them. The likes of Hansen and Thompson might fool people on the telly by walking upright and wearing suits but they were fucking animals. Same as Neal, Whelan, McDermott and our very own Sammy Lee amongst others.

And lastly,  but by no means least:

3. Graeme Fucking Souness.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2020, 01:59:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ATNCAST/status/1311543390161563745
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on October 01, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
https://twitter.com/ATNCAST/status/1311543390161563745
Ahhhh, caro mio
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Kilvin on October 01, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ATNCAST/status/1311543390161563745

He is just fantastic :clap: Not bad at this managing lark either
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dunkster on October 01, 2020, 02:29:41 PM
My biggest thrill is that my twenty year old son who supports Everton just because his dad does, (which In the past i feel guilty about that I kind of pressured him to do.)
Is watching every game, loving it and messaging me as we watch it (he's at uni)

Good time to be an Evertonian.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on October 01, 2020, 03:42:41 PM
I only sing when we win trophies.

I don't know why but the finality and assuredness of that has got me a bit excited. I know we're a long long way off but it feels like we're on the right track finally.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 01, 2020, 05:34:41 PM
I was starting to think that no manager could turn us around. I’m not just talking trophies (fingers crossed) but I’m talking about me not being “meh” about each and every match, I felt like we were doomed. I was going through the motions and losing my enthusiasm. This guy has got me excited again.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2020, 06:05:47 PM
I was starting to think that no manager could turn us around. I’m not just talking trophies (fingers crossed) but I’m talking about me not being “meh” about each and every match, I felt like we were doomed. I was going through the motions and losing my enthusiasm. This guy has got me excited again.

Same
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
12 months ago Silva was our manager, Schneiderlin was our defensive mid, and Sigurdsson was our creative midfielder.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Nicco on October 01, 2020, 10:03:35 PM
I was starting to think that no manager could turn us around. I'm not just talking trophies (fingers crossed) but I'm talking about me not being "meh” about each and every match, I felt like we were doomed. I was going through the motions and losing my enthusiasm. This guy has got me excited again.
So fucking this

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2020, 07:54:39 PM
Carlo's low key funny in his press conferences.

Very honest as well.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on October 02, 2020, 07:57:14 PM
12 months ago Silva was our manager, Schneiderlin was our defensive mid, and Sigurdsson was our creative midfielder.

And Cuco Martina and Oumar Niasse where our off the bench game changers.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 02, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
Nailed it @Bob Sacamano (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=47) . There have been times over the last few years where i would get to match-day and not be aware we were playing, never mind who we were playing, until my phone pin started up to show me the score.

I'm organising my life around when Everton play again now.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on October 02, 2020, 10:20:33 PM
Nailed it @Bob Sacamano (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=47) . There have been times over the last few years where i would get to match-day and not be aware we were playing, never mind who we were playing, until my phone pin started up to show me the score.

I'm organising my life around when Everton play again now.

So am I, and the Mrs absolutely fucking hates it haha.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 03, 2020, 01:20:44 AM
I'm desperate for us to be successful under Carlo. He's got so much class he'd show up the prick across the park for the scruffy, publicity hungry, moaner he is.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on October 03, 2020, 03:51:34 AM
Here's a link, to vote for Ancelotti as Premier League manager of the month. Be nice if he won this.



https://www.premierleague.com/news/1848486
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Goaljira on October 03, 2020, 04:53:55 AM
Here's a link, to vote for Ancelotti as Premier League manager of the month. Be nice if he won this.



https://www.premierleague.com/news/1848486

Everytime our manager wins it, we go on and lose the next game.  It'd be like just another jinx before the derby.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: howard1334 on October 03, 2020, 05:00:43 AM
Everytime our manager wins it, we go on and lose the next game.  It'd be like just another jinx before the derby.

Part of what we need to do this season is get over stuff like this!  As a team and supporters. 
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on October 03, 2020, 05:05:15 AM
Everytime our manager wins it, we go on and lose the next game.  It'd be like just another jinx before the derby.




There's a lot of worthy competition this Month. Rogers has done really well too. Let's hope it's time to start breaking these hoodoo's we seem endlessly plagued by. Let me know if you think I should delete the link? ;D
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 03, 2020, 05:10:08 AM
It's almost freakonomic stats that "curse" though.

We've been a mid-table team for a generation. Very rarely would we win all games for 2 months on a trot. So the times we've been good for an entire month and the manager got the nod was always going to precede a dip in form.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on October 03, 2020, 12:12:14 PM
It's almost freakonomic stats that "curse" though.

We've been a mid-table team for a generation. Very rarely would we win all games for 2 months on a trot. So the times we've been good for an entire month and the manager got the nod was always going to precede a dip in form.

Yes.

On a bigger scale when previously rubbish team have a good season and qualify for Europe but then drift off back to their previous levels

Often the extra games (not usually that many as the rubbish team usually goes out early) are cited without anyone thinking that the previous good season might have been the anomaly
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on October 03, 2020, 11:10:45 PM
Beat a decent team who have given other top 4 hopefuls a really hard time this season... And did so with no Allan, Gomes, lost Richarlison in the first half and finished with no Coleman.

Quite an achievement to see other players stepping in and performing in a way we don't really suffer from the absentees... That's what top clubs do, start to dream because we're going places!!!
Title: 1 4 1 4 Carlo is a genius
Post by: love is love on October 03, 2020, 11:14:58 PM
1 4 1 4 I do not think Everton have played it before? Carlo just plays it and it works amazing. How do you beat Brighton fools ? It's 1 4 1 4.

 I do not think any manager in the world would have done that.  People think Carlo is past his best? He is managing at a level I have never seen in 40 years of watching football.  He just banged out a formation his team has never played to beat Brighton. AND it was nothing.
Title: Re: 1 4 1 4 Carlo is a genius
Post by: di_guyo on October 03, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
Ok...
Title: Re: 1 4 1 4 Carlo is a genius
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 03, 2020, 11:17:17 PM
Hey there's a whole Carlo thread!

Also, that wasn't a 4-1-4-1
Title: 1 4 1 4 Carlo is a genius
Post by: love is love on October 03, 2020, 11:58:51 PM
This was amazing to see that Carlo used it today. Everton have never played this formation before and Carlo just drops it in a game.

I do not know if this is some kind of amazing formation against Briton. Carlo played it for the first time.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2020, 12:09:38 AM
This was amazing to see that Carlo used it today. Everton have never played this formation before and Carlo just drops it in a game.

I do not know if this is some kind of amazing formation against Briton. Carlo played it for the first time.

'Everton?'.

Don't you mean 'we'?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: NickNack on October 04, 2020, 12:53:04 AM
Everytime our manager wins it, we go on and lose the next game.  It'd be like just another jinx before the derby.
Carlo wins manager of the month, we win the derby, shit’s just got real - Everton are back   nod
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: love is love on October 04, 2020, 12:53:39 AM
'Everton?'.

Don't you mean 'we'?
do I?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2020, 12:56:16 AM
do I?


Apparently not. Do you think Jota will be a good rotation option for you guys?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 04, 2020, 12:57:17 AM
do I?


Please don’t DM me again
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 04, 2020, 12:57:24 AM
https://twitter.com/wfanalyst/status/1312422275224932357?s=21
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 12:59:19 AM
This probably got lost in the rapidly updating match thread (and probably belongs here anyway).

Did anyone actually watch Milan when Carlo was there early in his managerial career? Curious if what we're doing right now is reminiscent of the christmas tree formation he would run there. With our penchant for the 2 wide forwards to roam into and play more in the middle, it does seem like we often set up 4-3-2-1.

Just curious.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 12:59:57 AM
https://twitter.com/wfanalyst/status/1312422275224932357?s=21

That is mesmerizing to watch.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: love is love on October 04, 2020, 01:12:45 AM
Apparently not. Do you think Jota will be a good rotation option for you guys?

if you are asking I think Jota once he gets diagnosed with Asthma will be amazing. It is amazing how many people the Liverpool medical staff have digagnisied with Asthma. Ever first team player at Liverpool has Asthma?

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2020, 01:14:30 AM
if you are asking I think Jota once he gets diagnosed with Asthma will be amazing. It is amazing how many people the Liverpool medical staff have digagnisied with Asthma. Ever first team player at Liverpool has Asthma?



So you're a Covid skeptic as well? Brilliant.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 01:17:07 AM
if you are asking I think Jota once he gets diagnosed with Asthma will be amazing. It is amazing how many people the Liverpool medical staff have digagnisied with Asthma. Ever first team player at Liverpool has Asthma?

Digagnisied?

So this is what it's like to be in the presence of genius.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 04, 2020, 01:28:17 AM
Stop fucking DMing me you fucking weird loser
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 04, 2020, 01:33:03 AM
So you're a Covid skeptic as well? Brilliant.

How have you got covid from that?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Goaljira on October 04, 2020, 01:35:47 AM
How have you got covid from that?

You can get it from anything.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 04, 2020, 01:42:11 AM
You can get it from anything.

😂😂 lovely stuff
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2020, 01:54:01 AM
How have you got covid from that?

Probly misunderstood what he was rambling on about.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on October 04, 2020, 02:03:52 AM
Please don’t DM me again

What did he say?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 02:04:50 AM
What did he say?

Post them! Post them! Post them! Post them! :D
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Simon Paul on October 04, 2020, 02:21:21 AM
Ordered his biography today

Got a feeling it will become my bible
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bally on October 04, 2020, 02:33:22 AM
Ordered his biography today

Got a feeling it will become my bible
Thinking of getting it myself

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: love is love on October 04, 2020, 02:41:15 AM
Ordered his biography today

Got a feeling it will become my bible

Everyone hates you ?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Simon Paul on October 04, 2020, 02:42:21 AM
Everyone hates you ?
Well, obviously
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: love is love on October 04, 2020, 02:43:23 AM
Ordered his biography today

Got a feeling it will become my bible
?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 02:49:57 AM
Ordered his biography today

Got a feeling it will become my bible

Good man. About time you listened to me. ;)

Thinking of getting it myself

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on October 04, 2020, 03:28:42 PM
Interesting bit on MOTD where they showed us as a 5-4-1 without the ball with Davies and Iwobi as wingbacks, can’t say I picked that up in the game
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 04, 2020, 03:40:20 PM
Interesting bit on MOTD where they showed us as a 5-4-1 without the ball with Davies and Iwobi as wingbacks, can’t say I picked that up in the game

Because it happened once the whole game, due to tracking their runners

If you watched the whole game minutely you could probably freeze it at some point when we’re playing 2-3-5
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GLewis on October 04, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
Because it happened once the whole game, due to tracking their runners

If you watched the whole game minutely you could probably freeze it at some point when we’re playing 2-3-5

Yes.

The general point was that we’d got back into a compact low block.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 04, 2020, 04:32:24 PM
Yes.

The general point was that we’d got back into a compact low block.

I prefer they highlight our sexy attacking gung ho football  :laugh:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 09:02:48 PM
Yes.

The general point was that we’d got back into a compact low block.

Like pretty much every team on the planet who knows how to swiftly transition from attack to defend.

Still wondering if we've been attacking with an xmas tree formation (4321) like I've heard Carlo used at Milan. Does anyone know? It's just because of our wing play. Like this when attacking:

Coleman Mina Keane Digne
Allan Gomes Doucoure
James Richarlison
DCL
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2020, 10:58:53 PM
Analysis yer wantin aye

https://twitter.com/VenkyReddevil/status/1312718192259727361?s=19
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 11:49:27 PM
Analysis yer wantin aye

https://twitter.com/VenkyReddevil/status/1312718192259727361

That was awesome, thanks brap.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on October 08, 2020, 03:16:13 AM

I really enjoyed that!

If you want to know who's the only person who can tell him when he's wrong, or how good a chef he is, or how he got a park in the latest Star Trek movie, amongst other things - give it a watch!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on October 09, 2020, 11:44:41 AM
https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os13694/everton-ancelotti-calvert-lewin-rodriguez-analysis?setDevice=mobile

Hopefully you guys can access this over there.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Ramjam on October 09, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os13694/everton-ancelotti-calvert-lewin-rodriguez-analysis?setDevice=mobile

Hopefully you guys can access this over there.
Great read that Jamo


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sirblue57 on October 09, 2020, 03:30:24 PM
https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os13694/everton-ancelotti-calvert-lewin-rodriguez-analysis?setDevice=mobile

Hopefully you guys can access this over there.

Great read, thanks mate
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on October 09, 2020, 06:04:58 PM
Manager of the month :clap: :hail:
https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/1314520989338755072
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on October 09, 2020, 06:09:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1314520991809376256
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 09, 2020, 07:58:33 PM
There's that thing isnt there about manager of month tending to lose their next game. Who we got again?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Waltzer on October 09, 2020, 09:35:25 PM
There's that thing isnt there about manager of month tending to lose their next game. Who we got again?

Exactly my thought, fuck the manager of the month award!!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Big Nev on October 09, 2020, 11:00:16 PM
Manager of the month :clap: :hail:
https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/1314520989338755072
Not a mention on BBC.   They love us so much.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on October 10, 2020, 10:03:25 PM
https://theathletic.com/2116489/2020/10/05/everton-transfer-window-analysed/

Carlo Ancelotti has ensured Everton have started this season like a Rolls-Royce, purring with intent and class on the pitch. Now he’s got the car to prove it.

As with the new players who have helped Ancelotti transform a team that finished 12th last term into early table-toppers, Everton’s ambitious owner Farhad Moshiri has continued to deliver gifts.

Moshiri was so pleased that his team recorded a rare win away to Tottenham Hotspur in their first game of the season, he surprised Ancelotti with a new perk of the job that would be the envy of any global executive. As part of his deal to take over the manager’s job at Goodison Park, The Athletic understands the 61-year-old was promised a company car.

It had not been arranged during his whirlwind first few months on Merseyside but as Moshiri — a former Arsenal shareholder — celebrated a victory over his old north London rivals last month, he decided to reward his manager for a job well done.

Cue the delivery to Ancelotti’s Crosby home of a top-of-the-range Rolls-Royce Cullinan Black Badge, a gleaming SUV that normally retails at around £313,000.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 10, 2020, 10:51:43 PM
Well if he gets a Roller for beating Spurs Wtf is the Mosh going to give him for beating Liverpool, a Lear jet ?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 10, 2020, 10:56:25 PM
Well if he gets a Roller for beating Spurs Wtf is the Mosh going to give him for beating Liverpool, a Lear jet ?

A week on Usmanovs yacht!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 10, 2020, 11:03:18 PM
A week on Usmanovs yacht!

If he gets us into CL he’ll have his own yacht !
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: 74Blue on October 10, 2020, 11:22:50 PM
A week on Usmanovs yacht!
Boats and hos
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: markB on October 13, 2020, 11:14:33 PM

gets it spot on
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 16, 2020, 02:39:51 PM
Article in today’s Times.
Behind a paywall so figured I’d post it here:

The morning after the transfer deadline had passed it was straight back down to business at Everton’s Finch Farm training headquarters.
International commitments meant that only half-a-dozen senior players had reported for training. The wind was howling and the rain pelted down. It was a morning best spent indoors, although when it was suggested to Carlo Ancelotti that he did not need to brave the elements, the offer was rejected.

The 61-year-old Italian manager wrapped up and put his players through their paces.

“Leading from the front, that’s Carlo,” one staff member said. Everton, top of the Premier League having won their first four games, have taken on their manager’s attributes.

It may seem like an insignificant insight, but it encapsulates the journey Everton have been on and provides the sharpest of contrasts with a muddled past. Rumour has it that when Sam Allardyce was briefly in charge of the club, the players were called in for training one Sunday morning after an away defeat. Allardyce? He was supposedly absent at his holiday home in Spain.
Under Ronald Koeman, Everton’s original “Hollywood” managerial appointment, there was the sight of the Dutchman’s Bentley regularly sweeping out of the gates of the training complex early in the afternoon.

Ancelotti, who arrived in December last year as one of the most decorated modern-day coaches, could easily have put his feet up. But instead he chose to work in horrible conditions with players who are not in his plans — an approach that is reaping rewards.

Everton will go into Saturday’s Merseyside derby seeking a first win in a decade against Liverpool, their fans buoyant as to what the future holds.

Calvert-Lewin has thrived under Ancelotti
Calvert-Lewin has thrived under Ancelotti
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They have gone from daubing “Silva out” on the side of Goodison Park to painting “Carlo Fantastico” on the wall of Liverpool’s Melwood training ground. The mood has shifted from despair to defiance.

The swell of pride has energised Ancelotti. Whereas his predecessors were aloof, Ancelotti shares his time and thoughts. He lives in the coastal town of Crosby, which is a 20-minute drive from Liverpool, and has embraced the city’s passion in a way that is reminiscent of how Rafa Benítez immersed himself across Stanley Park.

During lockdown, he had focused on a “few personal goals”. He cycled, took beach walks and started a diet. That period also allowed him to think extensively about the DNA of the Everton squad he had inherited, assess weaknesses and proceed with the identification of signings who would fit with this desire to play a 4-3-3 formation.

Ancelotti would say that there is no secret to the improvement and that signing better players has been key. His recruitment drive is another example of how Everton have taken forward strides under him, given how the club had frittered in the transfer market.

Pinpointing players capable of improving the team now, not in two, three, four years down the line, took place over Zoom meetings with the Everton board, the owner Farhad Moshiri, the chairman Bill Kenwright and the director of football Marcel Brands.

Ancelotti wanted Allan, the midfielder he worked with at Napoli, from the moment he arrived and regards James Rodríguez almost as a son. He believed the Colombia forward could provide Everton with an X factor, which has been borne out, and the commitment from the 29-year-old to leave Real Madrid and join a coach for whom he has played his best football was clear.

Abdoulaye Doucouré had been targeted by Everton the previous summer and Ben Godfrey, 22, signed from Norwich City this month, was hailed as the “complete defender” by his new manager.

In each case, Ancelotti asked the board to trust his judgment. He likes players with stamina, speed and football instinct, believing these qualities can be polished but not coached.

Moshiri, right, is beginning to see a little more bang for his buck
Moshiri, right, is beginning to see a little more bang for his buck
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“His power is knowledge and honesty,” Kenwright said. “He will explain why this player fits. You believe in him.”

The previous summer the emphasis had been on buying players with potential and if that policy had been maintained the question of whether Ancelotti was the right fit would have felt pertinent. Yet the young talent is still there. Ancelotti quickly identified Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Mason Holgate, Richarlison, Anthony Gordon and Jarrad Branthwaite as players who boast the talent to hit the heights.

He also signed Niels Nkounkou, 19, who was out of contract at Marseilles, thanks to the relationship Ancelotti has with the France Under-19 left back’s agent. Nkounkou has been impressive, but was so unheralded that Everton initially played down his arrival.

Whatever the ages of the players, the one constant has been the backing of Moshiri, who has now sanctioned spending beyond £500 million since February 2016 and is beginning to see a little more bang for his buck.

Ancelotti initially stuck with the 4-4-2 system that Everton had adopted under Duncan Ferguson, the interim manager, during his brief spell in charge that arrested the unravelling under Marco Silva.

Everton were beaten 1-0 by Liverpool’s second-string team in the FA Cup in January
Everton were beaten 1-0 by Liverpool’s second-string team in the FA Cup in January
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Waiting for the chance to implement his own vision has been another of Ancelotti’s strengths. His son, Davide, is one of his assistants but his bond with Ferguson is also tight.

“Duncan was the first evidence of the real Everton that Carlo saw when he was appointed on the day of the Arsenal game [last December],” Kenwright said. “He said he needed Duncan and there was a real regard from day one.

“Carlo is a wise man. You have got to put your own stamp on things, but if, while you are doing that, you can embrace the real essence of the club then that is a great starting point.”

After seven straight wins, Everton are beginning to carry his hallmarks. They are making more passes per 90 minutes (581 compared with 416 last season), are more accurate in their distribution (86.4 per cent to 78 per cent), more patient in their play and less direct: the percentage of forward passes is down from 37 per cent to 27 per cent.

Backing that up is a new-found resilience. There have been more tackles — 20 per game, up from 17 — and more interceptions, up from 10 per game to 15.

A different test will come on their own patch against the champions. The FA Cup defeat by Liverpool’s second string back in January represents the lowest point of Ancelotti’s brief tenure to date. Victory this weekend would undoubtedly be the highest.

42 Points won by Everton since Carlo Ancelotti took over last year. Only Liverpool (59), Man City (47) and Man Utd (44) have won more in that time
 
 


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 16, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
So proud of this man but reading that bit about Koeman and Allardyce pissed me off again.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on October 16, 2020, 04:31:19 PM
Good insight there.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on October 16, 2020, 04:56:38 PM
One in the eye for the dopes that thought he wouldn't succeed up here because we dont have any nice italian restaurants.



Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigmanbob on October 16, 2020, 05:31:52 PM
They've obviously not been to the Casa, best Italian for miles
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on October 16, 2020, 05:40:09 PM
They've obviously not been to the Casa, best Italian for miles

Never been but heard good things

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 16, 2020, 09:31:43 PM
Casa Italia is the main reason I'd recommend living in Liverpool.

 The pollo Al forno or tortellini alla Panna with their cheesy garlic bread.
Quite 90s in all respects but best meal in town.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on October 16, 2020, 09:39:27 PM
Wish I liked tomatoes and pasta. We have tons of quality Italian restaurants where I live and I married into an Italian family. But I can’t stand the main two ingredients of pretty much every Italian meal.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 16, 2020, 09:41:12 PM
Wish I liked tomatoes and pasta. We have tons of quality Italian restaurants where I live and I married into an Italian family. But I can’t stand the main two ingredients of pretty much every Italian meal.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 16, 2020, 09:55:43 PM
Never been to Italy (always wanted to), and Mrs won't go with me because she doesn't like Italian food at all.

Crisis point in the relationship.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on October 16, 2020, 10:03:23 PM
Never been to Italy (always wanted to), and Mrs won't go with me because she doesn't like Italian food at all.

Crisis point in the relationship.

How can she not like Italian food! Madness!

Italy is probably my favourite European country to visit, along with Germany. Food wise Italy wins every time, amazing stuff.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 16, 2020, 10:04:58 PM
How can she not like Italian food! Madness!

Italy is probably my favourite European country to visit, along with Germany. Food wise Italy wins every time, amazing stuff.

Her best mate loves Italian food, and has got a nice arse, so there's options on the table ;)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on October 16, 2020, 10:06:08 PM
Her best mate loves Italian food, and has got a nice arse, so there's options on the table ;)

Haha
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dazfrancis on October 16, 2020, 10:08:17 PM
How can you hate all of Italian food?

Doesn't like pizza or pasta?

What about mozzarella, balsamic vinegar Di modena, nduja, salami, pancetta.

Prefer Spanish food over Italian personally but you can't write off a whole nations food.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 16, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
This thread gone seriously off topic, think there’s a favourite food thread somewhere ?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 16, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Never been to Italy (always wanted to), and Mrs won't go with me because she doesn't like Italian food at all.

Crisis point in the relationship.

You can get other food in Italy.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 16, 2020, 10:28:37 PM
Ah fuck it....my favourite food is Lebanese.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 16, 2020, 10:29:15 PM
Was so glad the scran lived up to expectation when I went to Italy.

Absolutely boss.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 16, 2020, 10:38:31 PM
Awesome!
Her best mate loves Italian food, and has got a nice arse, so there's options on the table ;)

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 16, 2020, 10:42:17 PM
Italian is deffo in my top 3, pasta and pizza mmmmm

Had a week in Sorrento for a wedding once, food was ridiculous

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 16, 2020, 11:06:28 PM
My last name's Guglielmo. Mother's maiden name was Cannella.

Do the maths.

Love me some French food too, and American BBQ, which is the one food we can truly call our own.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 16, 2020, 11:25:47 PM
My last name's Guglielmo. Mother's maiden name was Cannella.

Do the maths.

Love me some French food too, and American BBQ, which is the one food we can truly call our own.

Nah.....BBQ belongs to the Aussies !
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 16, 2020, 11:36:21 PM
Nah.....BBQ belongs to the Aussies !

Behave.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: American Evertonian on October 16, 2020, 11:51:55 PM
Ah fuck it....my favourite food is Lebanese.

I support this. I go to Beirut once a year - the food (and the parties) are amazing
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on October 17, 2020, 12:16:44 AM
Is it true the fat Italian in Crosby has closed?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on October 17, 2020, 12:42:50 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/sports/soccer/liverpool-everton-carlo-ancelotti.html


If anyone has a sub for the NY times I would love to have a read of the above article.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Fynci on October 17, 2020, 12:47:06 AM
My last name's Guglielmo. Mother's maiden name was Cannella.

Do the maths.

Love me some French food too, and American BBQ, which is the one food we can truly call our own.

Were you in Jersey Shore?

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on October 17, 2020, 01:01:38 AM
Bangers and mash, toad in the hole, bubble and squeak. None of these can be beaten. Ever.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 17, 2020, 01:11:45 AM
My last name's Guglielmo. Mother's maiden name was Cannella.

Do the maths.

Love me some French food too, and American BBQ, which is the one food we can truly call our own.

Careful, we've almost got all your banks memorable question answers there! 😂
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Confucius on October 17, 2020, 01:15:56 AM
Bangers and mash, toad in the hole, bubble and squeak. None of these can be beaten. Ever.

As cuisine goes, UK is pretty much up there with the worst.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 01:16:47 AM
Were you in Jersey Shore?

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Careful, we've almost got all your banks memorable question answers there! 😂

I'm not worried about you getting the $0 I have, mate.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on October 17, 2020, 01:46:32 AM
Never been to Italy (always wanted to), and Mrs won't go with me because she doesn't like Italian food at all.

Crisis point in the relationship.

I love Italian food, and I believe my mother’s amazing Italian cooking when I was a kid, plus my Italian blood, has made me pretty damn fine at creating it in the kitchen.

The bedrock of Italian home cooking is enormous portions and big flavours, and for these reasons I have been consistently disappointed by every Italian restaurant I’ve ever eaten at tbh.

*Italian restaurants in the UK
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on October 17, 2020, 02:02:02 AM
As cuisine goes, UK is pretty much up there with the worst.
It does have that reputation.

Guess if you’ve been brought up with it it’s all you know and are used to.

But the three meals I mentioned are great.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 02:03:52 AM
As cuisine goes, UK is pretty much up there with the worst.

London has more Michelin star restaurants than any other European cities, I think your perceptions are hung up in the 70’s
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bally on October 17, 2020, 02:39:23 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/sports/soccer/liverpool-everton-carlo-ancelotti.html


If anyone has a sub for the NY times I would love to have a read of the above article.
Carlo Ancelotti Would Like to Talk About Crosby

His Everton squad is leading the Premier League entering Saturday’s Merseyside Derby, but a manager who has seen it all has never been single-minded when it comes to soccer.



By Rory Smith

Oct. 16, 2020

Precisely 51 seconds elapse between pressing “record” on Zoom and Carlo Ancelotti asking the question that, according to those who work with him, is never far from his lips these days. “Do you know Crosby?” he says, leaning forward in his chair. It is very important to Carlo Ancelotti that you should know about Crosby.



Until the turn of the year, Ancelotti was one of the unlucky ones: He was someone who had never been to Crosby. He had been to Liverpool a few times, of course — as manager of Chelsea and Real Madrid and Napoli — but he had never had the chance, on those flying visits, to venture much further than his team’s hotels.




In the first few weeks after taking the job as Everton manager last December, though, Ancelotti set out with his wife to find a place to call home. They did not want to live in one of the luxury apartments in the city’s center: They have three dogs — a Pomeranian, a Jack Russell/Poodle cross, and one of lineage Ancelotti has not yet committed to memory — and so prefer a bit of open space.



He wanted somewhere comfortable, not especially ornate or flashy or grand, and quiet. His days, he said, tend to be spent at the training facility, and his nights with family. He does not crave nightlife.
But nor did he want a long commute from one of the essentially fortified villages south of Manchester that constitute North West England’s footballer belt. All of which led someone at the club to recommend Crosby — on the coast, just outside the city, refined but not knowingly exclusive — as a happy medium.



Ancelotti and his wife were smitten. In the intervening months, a colleague jokes, the 61-year-old Ancelotti has seemingly taken on an unofficial role as Crosby’s minister for tourism. “It’s a beautiful place,” he said. He got to know it especially well over those long spring months of lockdown, walking his dogs along the water. Ever since, he has been keen to alert others to Crosby’s charms.



“It’s close to the sea,” he said. “There’s a beautiful beach. A long beach. There is really nice cycling, really nice walks. You can walk all the way to Formby on the coastal path. There are the Gormley statues, 100 of them, on the beach. I really like it.”


Hearing Ancelotti — this stylish, urbane Italian whose glittering career has been spent almost exclusively in one or other of Europe’s great cities, from Rome to Milan, Milan to London, London to Paris, and on to Madrid and Munich — spend the days before the season’s first Merseyside Derby evangelizing the charms of Crosby is, even for someone who has been to Crosby and likes it very much, something of a surprise.




But then Ancelotti is not an easy man to fit into a stereotype. He is a man who has devoted his life to soccer, and yet he did not miss it at all during lockdown, happily spending time doing other things.



He is a manager who has won almost everything — who has more right than most to be considered one of the finest coaches of his generation — but who has never tried to build up a myth of his own greatness. Instead, he presents himself as a sort of midrange human resources



In an age when soccer is in thrall to the cult of the manager, he resists the idea that it should be his identity. He is, he said, not a Manager; he is just someone who does that as a job.
In a culture when most of his peers cultivate an image of relentless obsession, Ancelotti is refreshingly, and almost heretically, three-dimensional.



This week, for example, Ancelotti’s mind might have been filled with thoughts of Saturday’s derby against Liverpool. Everton has not beaten its city rival in the Premier League in a decade, but it goes into this weekend’s fixture top of the nascent table, unbeaten this season, its neighbor wounded by a humiliating 7-2 defeat against Aston Villa last time out.



Ancelotti could have been forgiven, then, for wanting to talk only about the work he has done to revive Everton, the promise his team is showing, the renewed sense of optimism and ambition he has fostered.


But — though he happily discussed all of that — he was also happy to talk about, in no particular order: the origins of and appropriate nomenclature for Parmesan cheese; whether dogs bark in a specific language; the Netflix documentary series “The Cuba Libre Story”; “Game of Thrones”; and, of course, Crosby.
None of this is irrelevant to understanding how it came to be that Ancelotti, winner of three Champions League trophies and coach of some of the world’s finest teams, finds himself — at 61 — trying to restore Everton to its former glories, and doing a far better job of it than many



Rivals like Jürgen Klopp and Liverpool make managing Everton a difficult job, but Ancelotti sees his main task as connecting with his players.Credit...Jon Super/Reuters


In a way, Everton is an unusual coda to a career. Most managers spend their early years at “project” clubs, trying to shape a middling power into a showcase of their talents, and then take their reward later on, in the form of the chance to take charge of one of the game’s superpowers.



Ancelotti at Everton somehow inverts that pathway. It is 21 years since he took charge of Juventus, after cutting his teeth at Reggiana and Parma — the two sides, it turns out, of the great Parmesan cheese debate, the only subject on which Ancelotti feels the need to choose his words especially carefully — and he has had a seat at European soccer’s top table ever since.



Now, though, he finds himself on the other side of the divide. The Everton job, he said, is not so different than it appears from the outside. “It is exactly the same,” he said. The fundamental challenge a manager faces is that all of the players want to play. “It doesn’t matter if they earn a lot of money, if they are famous,” he said. “They want to play. That is the good aspect of this world.



“I have managed superstars — Cristiano Ronaldo, Zlatan Ibrahimovic — but they are superstars outside the training ground. The atmosphere outside builds the superstar. In the dressing room, they are exactly the same. At the end, I have to manage people, not players. They are not players: They are people who play football. I am not a manager. I am a man that works as a manager. I think this is an important point.”




However dazzling a player’s talent, however vast their profile, however high their ambitions, his task is still to build a rapport with them, to “manage them when they are sad,” to tell them to “celebrate their successes and manage their defeats,” to convince them to believe in his ideas, to persuade them to share their thoughts with him. That reciprocity, he said, is crucial. “I got a lot of my ideas from the players,” he said.



He is there to provide balance. Last season at Everton was a tortured one; he needed to restore faith (though he demurs from the idea that he actually did it). Now that the whole club is floating on air, he has to prevent his players from getting carried away.
This is all exactly what he did at Real and A.C. Milan and at Bayern Munich. What is different now, he concedes, is the context. There are, in Ancelotti’s worldview, two types of club: company clubs and family clubs. He has, it is no surprise to learn, largely worked at company clubs. There, the job is to arrive and to win.



At family clubs, the task is different. “It is to build something, to leave your stamp on a team,” he said. “You live better, work better in a family club. You can be more yourself. The target for every manager is to train the top teams. But also to fight to build a top team can be a great motivation.”



Ancelotti is relishing that challenge, and he is meeting it quite nicely, as the burgeoning devotion to him among Everton’s fans demonstrates. But, tempting though it is to frame it as a story of a manager finding a new lease on life in a new and different project, such a reading would not be entirely accurate.
One of the things Everton’s players appreciate most about Ancelotti, by all accounts, is that even though he demands complete focus at work, he does not engage with them solely as footballers. He is as likely to pull them aside to ask if they have seen anything interesting on television as he is to offer some morsel of tactical advice.

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That, ultimately, is the reason that Ancelotti is here, and it may be the reason that he and his team are thriving. His energy for soccer is undimmed because he is not defined by it. His appetite for his work remains because he is not consumed by it.


“Some managers do have that obsession to try to find something different,” he said. “But you can be tired of football if you have the obsession of football.” That is not a weakness, a shortcoming. It is a strength. His sport, and his work, are important to him, but they are not the only things that are important to him. Other things matter, too. Now: Do you know Crosby?


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 02:49:51 AM
London has more Michelin star restaurants than any other European cities, I think your perceptions are hung up in the 70’s

Of course they do, like any other major city. The cuisine isn't British though. Or, is very, very rarely British in nature.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 02:55:03 AM
Of course they do, like any other major city. The cuisine isn't British though. Or, is very, very rarely British in nature.
So if a British chef is producing plates of food with British produce what the fuck cuisine is it, Mongolian?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 02:58:12 AM
So if a British chef is producing plates of food with British produce what the fuck cuisine is it, Mongolian?

Mmmm Mongolian.

The chef and the ingredients matter much, much less than the cuisine. If he's making French food, it ain't British. If it's actually cuisine traditional to, and historically from the British homeland, then yes of course, it's British cuisine.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 03:05:38 AM
Mmmm Mongolian.

The chef and the ingredients matter much, much less than the cuisine. If he's making French food, it ain't British. If it's actually cuisine traditional to, and historically from the British homeland, then yes of course, it's British cuisine.

Define “French food” ? Please go ahead, for that matter define “cuisine” there is a 70s perception that if you wanted to eat well in England you should have breakfast 3 times a day or eat fish and chips, so are you suggesting that Michelin star chefs like Gordon Ramsey, Jamie Oliver, Nigel Slater plus hundreds other only cook what you call “French food “
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 03:10:45 AM
Define “French food” ? Please go ahead, for that matter define “cuisine” there is a 70s perception that if you wanted to eat well in England you should have breakfast 3 times a day or eat fish and chips, so are you suggesting that Michelin star chefs like Gordon Ramsey, Jamie Oliver, Nigel Slater plus hundreds other only cook what you call “French food “

Bro, go look it up yourself lol.

If you're trying to tell me there aren't distinct cuisines from France, Italy, Spain, Germany, China, and on and on and on, I don't know what to tell you.

Because you're suggesting that if a British chef cooks Italian food in England, using flour, eggs, tomatoes, basil, etc. which came from Britain, that it would be British food. It wouldn't.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 03:17:13 AM
Bro, go look it up yourself lol.

If you're trying to tell me there aren't distinct cuisines from France, Italy, Spain, Germany, China, and on and on and on, I don't know what to tell you.

Because you're suggesting that if a British chef cooks Italian food in England, using flour, eggs, tomatoes, basil, etc. which came from Britain, that it would be British food. It wouldn't.

So you can’t answer my question, fine. Why would any dish using flour, eggs, tomatoes necessarily be Italian ? Italians don’t have a monopoly on these ingredients you know. BTW, one of my favourite restaurants in the world is the River Cafe Under Brooklyn Bridge , it serves contemporary food, no fancy French menu terms, is simply contemporary cuisine, you would probably call it French cuisine because it isn’t what you would typically consider American.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on October 17, 2020, 03:17:53 AM
As cuisine goes, UK is pretty much up there with the worst.

Stick to your poutine, putain.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 03:22:14 AM
Stick to your poutine, putain.
Or bobotie
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on October 17, 2020, 03:23:41 AM
Bro, go look it up yourself lol.

If you're trying to tell me there aren't distinct cuisines from France, Italy, Spain, Germany, China, and on and on and on, I don't know what to tell you.

Because you're suggesting that if a British chef cooks Italian food in England, using flour, eggs, tomatoes, basil, etc. which came from Britain, that it would be British food. It wouldn't.

Dude, modern, contemporary British cuisine is some of the most respected in culinary circles, these days.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 17, 2020, 03:26:06 AM
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I came to read Carlo’s latest insights, have stumbled into the food thread by mistake
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 03:30:54 AM
Dude, modern, contemporary British cuisine is some of the most respected in culinary circles, these days.

I think Yankee is confusing “cuisine” with “traditional British dishes” like Roast beef and Yorkshire pudding,
Toad in the hole, steak and kidney pudding etc. etc. What he doesn’t appear to understand is that we are not confined to eating such dishes only and indeed British chefs can produce other dishes that don’t neccessarily have to fall under the category of French/Italian/German/Chines or whatever.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 03:31:36 AM
So you can’t answer my question, fine. Why would any dish using flour, eggs, tomatoes necessarily be Italian ? Italians don’t have a monopoly on these ingredients you know. BTW, one of my favourite restaurants in the world is the River Cafe Under Brooklyn Bridge , it serves contemporary food, no fancy French menu terms, is simply contemporary cuisine, you would probably call it French cuisine because it isn’t what you would typically consider American.

Oh FFS mate.

You conflated my original comment into British food is bad which means there's no good food in Britain. That's not the same thing. But for the sake of ending the debate, I'm glad there's now good contemporary British food in the 21st century.

Also, there isn't really a whole lot of actual American food. Just like the people who live here, it's a gigantic hybrid of all other types of food. I guess you could call that American, and contemporary, like you've been describing.

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I came to read Carlo’s latest insights, have stumbled into the food thread by mistake

Carlo likes Italian food. ;)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toffee1 on October 17, 2020, 03:35:41 AM
I hope the only thing that is boiling and/or fried in the next 24 hours is Klopp's head after we smash his team.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 03:36:22 AM
Oh FFS mate.

You conflated my original comment into British food is bad which means there's no good food in Britain. That's not the same thing. But for the sake of ending the debate, I'm glad there's now good contemporary British food in the 21st century.

Also, there isn't really a whole lot of actual American food. Just like the people who live here, it's a gigantic hybrid of all other types of food. I guess you could call that American, and contemporary, like you've been describing.

Carlo likes Italian food. ;)

Love ya Yankee ! try The River Cafe for a special occasion, get a table on the window around dusk and watch as the lights go on in Wall St.accross the Hudson whilst enjoying some of America’s finest contemporary cuisine.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 03:39:41 AM
Love ya Yankee ! try The River Cafe for a special occasion, get a table on the window around dusk and watch as the lights go on in Wall St.accross the Hudson whilst enjoying some of America’s finest contemporary cuisine.

Love ya back you big dummy.

I haven't actually eaten in a whole lot of restaurants in London, more of "on the go" type stuff, but there's a small chain (like maybe 3-4) of Indian restaurants in London that I became obsessed with. Like, super high end Indian. I wish I could remember the name, but there's one right up near all the new developments around King's Cross (or whatever that's called).

edit: just came to me! Dishoom. *drool*
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 03:42:23 AM
Love ya back you big dummy.

I haven't actually eaten in a whole lot of restaurants in London, more of "on the go" type stuff, but there's a small chain (like maybe 3-4) of Indian restaurants in London that I became obsessed with. Like, super high end Indian. I wish I could remember the name, but there's one right up near all the new developments around King's Crossing.

Dishoom ?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 03:45:10 AM
Dishoom ?

Yup, just edited above when it came to me. So damned good. Also had the best Manhattan I've ever had there. Well, like 4 of them. :cheers:
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 03:52:31 AM
Yup, just edited above when it came to me. So damned good. Also had the best Manhattan I've ever had there. Well, like 4 of them. :cheers:

I only know the one off Kensington High St. which is great contemporary Indian “cuisine”  lolol
Now back to Carlo ffs !
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Robioto on October 17, 2020, 04:19:33 AM
I only know the one off Kensington High St. which is great contemporary Indian “cuisine”  lolol
Now back to Carlo ffs !

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Confucius on October 17, 2020, 04:25:56 AM
London has more Michelin star restaurants than any other European cities, I think your perceptions are hung up in the 70’s

But do they serve English food?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Goaljira on October 17, 2020, 04:28:29 AM
"They are not players.  They are people who play football."

Thats deep.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: American Evertonian on October 17, 2020, 04:37:53 AM
"They are not players.  They are people who play football."

Thats deep.

The more I hear him talk the more in love I fall.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on October 17, 2020, 05:10:22 AM
The more I hear him talk the more in love I fall.

Yep.

He’s warm, down to earth, lacking in ego, and endearingly left field.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Fynci on October 17, 2020, 11:00:25 AM
As this thread is pretty much derailed, I do have to say that last year (when people could go out) we went to a restaurant in Amsterdam. The chef was from Sydney, but his parents were from Germany and Japan. They were restauranteurs and he grew up to work in their place, then more fine dining places before moving to London to work at Heston’s place. He then eventually settled in Amsterdam to open his own place.

His cuisine is modern European with an Asian twist.

So, in short, there are a lot of facets that go into food. The location of the restaurant, and even perhaps the nationality of the chef aren’t any of them.

Otherwise, using the logic of others, that guy would be doing amazing BBQs in Sydney.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 17, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
So you can’t answer my question, fine. Why would any dish using flour, eggs, tomatoes necessarily be Italian ? Italians don’t have a monopoly on these ingredients you know. BTW, one of my favourite restaurants in the world is the River Cafe Under Brooklyn Bridge , it serves contemporary food, no fancy French menu terms, is simply contemporary cuisine, you would probably call it French cuisine because it isn’t what you would typically consider American.

You've had a mare here.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on October 17, 2020, 03:11:27 PM
Her best mate loves Italian food, and has got a nice arse, so there's options on the table ;)

Now you're thinking like an Italian! lolol

Seriously though, get her to Italy, she can't not love it. Even if you have to agree to go somewhere she wants to first, do it.

And, er, Carlo, er - great job, good stuff!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on October 17, 2020, 03:32:09 PM
But do they serve English food?

Many of them do, yes.

Personally, I tend to find that when you get to the Michelin/elite level though, it's more about the chef than anything else.

The top ones tend to have worked with some of the best around the world, studied in many different countries and have used this journey to create and define their own vision and identity in what they wish to produce.

And if you think that is just about chefs - go back and read it again because every word also applies to Carlo.

😉
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on October 17, 2020, 04:43:17 PM
Yep.

He’s warm, down to earth, lacking in ego, and endearingly left field.

This. This. This. So much this!

Carlo will be getting the players to believe in themselves. Belief. Confidence. Attitude. All those little small percentages that make so much difference when you are up there at the sharp end and everything is decided by narrow margins.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 18, 2020, 12:53:39 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/sports/soccer/liverpool-everton-carlo-ancelotti.html
Really good read even though I can't fathom why the NY Times would do such a long article!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 18, 2020, 12:55:39 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/sports/soccer/liverpool-everton-carlo-ancelotti.html
Really good read even though I can't fathom why the NY Times would do such a long article!

Rory Smith's a massive Liverpool fan, and a bellend. Not sure how he got a job at the New York Times, given his hackish journalism, but it seems the English accent still goes quite far on the other side of the pond.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 18, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
Looked like we switched to a 4231 when Iwobi came on, I thought it was a good move coz they were pulling our midfield all over the place.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 18, 2020, 08:16:43 PM
Looked like we switched to a 4231 when Iwobi came on, I thought it was a good move coz they were pulling our midfield all over the place.

Imagine what it would be like to have a manager who adjusted to game situations and didn't just stick with one rigid formation 100% of the time?

Oh wait, we have one now.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 23, 2020, 07:42:58 PM
A GOD

On Ancelotti asking Calvert-Lewin about his most important goal.

"I said the most important goal will be the next one  The past is past.  Everyone expects a little bit more now - that has to be his motivation.  He has to be ready to show a little bit more"
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 23, 2020, 07:58:32 PM
A GOD

On Ancelotti asking Calvert-Lewin about his most important goal.

"I said the most important goal will be the next one  The past is past.  Everyone expects a little bit more now - that has to be his motivation.  He has to be ready to show a little bit more"
Imagine how fucking epic it must feel to have  someone like Carlo believe in you?!


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 23, 2020, 10:06:10 PM
Did I just hear Carlo say 'chapeau' to Michael Keane in the presser?

What a man.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Mouse on October 23, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
Did I just hear Carlo say 'chapeau' to Michael Keane in the presser?

What a man.
Indeed you did, not often you hear that!
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 24, 2020, 05:19:01 AM
This is pretty awesome and it's only 10 days old so I don't think it's been posted yet. Great breakdown.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: irishtoffee on October 24, 2020, 06:02:00 AM
This is pretty awesome and it's only 10 days old so I don't think it's been posted yet. Great breakdown.

It is posted in this thread about 9 days ago! No harm in a review though
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2020, 07:00:24 AM
This is good as well -

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on October 24, 2020, 03:25:52 PM
Rory Smith's a massive Liverpool fan, and a bellend. Not sure how he got a job at the New York Times, given his hackish journalism, but it seems the English accent still goes quite far on the other side of the pond.

They love Piers Morgan ffs
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bigdunc9 on October 24, 2020, 03:48:27 PM
Great video. Thanks for sharing. What a manager we have!
This is good as well -

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 24, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
It is posted in this thread about 9 days ago! No harm in a review though

Goddamnit 😂

As my grandfather used to say, I'm always a day late and a dollar short.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sirblue57 on October 25, 2020, 04:34:13 PM
Carlo Ancelotti Would Like to Talk About Crosby

His Everton squad is leading the Premier League entering Saturday’s Merseyside Derby, but a manager who has seen it all has never been single-minded when it comes to soccer.



By Rory Smith

Oct. 16, 2020

Precisely 51 seconds elapse between pressing “record” on Zoom and Carlo Ancelotti asking the question that, according to those who work with him, is never far from his lips these days. “Do you know Crosby?” he says, leaning forward in his chair. It is very important to Carlo Ancelotti that you should know about Crosby.



Until the turn of the year, Ancelotti was one of the unlucky ones: He was someone who had never been to Crosby. He had been to Liverpool a few times, of course — as manager of Chelsea and Real Madrid and Napoli — but he had never had the chance, on those flying visits, to venture much further than his team’s hotels.




In the first few weeks after taking the job as Everton manager last December, though, Ancelotti set out with his wife to find a place to call home. They did not want to live in one of the luxury apartments in the city’s center: They have three dogs — a Pomeranian, a Jack Russell/Poodle cross, and one of lineage Ancelotti has not yet committed to memory — and so prefer a bit of open space.



He wanted somewhere comfortable, not especially ornate or flashy or grand, and quiet. His days, he said, tend to be spent at the training facility, and his nights with family. He does not crave nightlife.
But nor did he want a long commute from one of the essentially fortified villages south of Manchester that constitute North West England’s footballer belt. All of which led someone at the club to recommend Crosby — on the coast, just outside the city, refined but not knowingly exclusive — as a happy medium.



Ancelotti and his wife were smitten. In the intervening months, a colleague jokes, the 61-year-old Ancelotti has seemingly taken on an unofficial role as Crosby’s minister for tourism. “It’s a beautiful place,” he said. He got to know it especially well over those long spring months of lockdown, walking his dogs along the water. Ever since, he has been keen to alert others to Crosby’s charms.



“It’s close to the sea,” he said. “There’s a beautiful beach. A long beach. There is really nice cycling, really nice walks. You can walk all the way to Formby on the coastal path. There are the Gormley statues, 100 of them, on the beach. I really like it.”


Hearing Ancelotti — this stylish, urbane Italian whose glittering career has been spent almost exclusively in one or other of Europe’s great cities, from Rome to Milan, Milan to London, London to Paris, and on to Madrid and Munich — spend the days before the season’s first Merseyside Derby evangelizing the charms of Crosby is, even for someone who has been to Crosby and likes it very much, something of a surprise.




But then Ancelotti is not an easy man to fit into a stereotype. He is a man who has devoted his life to soccer, and yet he did not miss it at all during lockdown, happily spending time doing other things.



He is a manager who has won almost everything — who has more right than most to be considered one of the finest coaches of his generation — but who has never tried to build up a myth of his own greatness. Instead, he presents himself as a sort of midrange human resources



In an age when soccer is in thrall to the cult of the manager, he resists the idea that it should be his identity. He is, he said, not a Manager; he is just someone who does that as a job.
In a culture when most of his peers cultivate an image of relentless obsession, Ancelotti is refreshingly, and almost heretically, three-dimensional.



This week, for example, Ancelotti’s mind might have been filled with thoughts of Saturday’s derby against Liverpool. Everton has not beaten its city rival in the Premier League in a decade, but it goes into this weekend’s fixture top of the nascent table, unbeaten this season, its neighbor wounded by a humiliating 7-2 defeat against Aston Villa last time out.



Ancelotti could have been forgiven, then, for wanting to talk only about the work he has done to revive Everton, the promise his team is showing, the renewed sense of optimism and ambition he has fostered.


But — though he happily discussed all of that — he was also happy to talk about, in no particular order: the origins of and appropriate nomenclature for Parmesan cheese; whether dogs bark in a specific language; the Netflix documentary series “The Cuba Libre Story”; “Game of Thrones”; and, of course, Crosby.
None of this is irrelevant to understanding how it came to be that Ancelotti, winner of three Champions League trophies and coach of some of the world’s finest teams, finds himself — at 61 — trying to restore Everton to its former glories, and doing a far better job of it than many



Rivals like Jürgen Klopp and Liverpool make managing Everton a difficult job, but Ancelotti sees his main task as connecting with his players.Credit...Jon Super/Reuters


In a way, Everton is an unusual coda to a career. Most managers spend their early years at “project” clubs, trying to shape a middling power into a showcase of their talents, and then take their reward later on, in the form of the chance to take charge of one of the game’s superpowers.



Ancelotti at Everton somehow inverts that pathway. It is 21 years since he took charge of Juventus, after cutting his teeth at Reggiana and Parma — the two sides, it turns out, of the great Parmesan cheese debate, the only subject on which Ancelotti feels the need to choose his words especially carefully — and he has had a seat at European soccer’s top table ever since.



Now, though, he finds himself on the other side of the divide. The Everton job, he said, is not so different than it appears from the outside. “It is exactly the same,” he said. The fundamental challenge a manager faces is that all of the players want to play. “It doesn’t matter if they earn a lot of money, if they are famous,” he said. “They want to play. That is the good aspect of this world.



“I have managed superstars — Cristiano Ronaldo, Zlatan Ibrahimovic — but they are superstars outside the training ground. The atmosphere outside builds the superstar. In the dressing room, they are exactly the same. At the end, I have to manage people, not players. They are not players: They are people who play football. I am not a manager. I am a man that works as a manager. I think this is an important point.”




However dazzling a player’s talent, however vast their profile, however high their ambitions, his task is still to build a rapport with them, to “manage them when they are sad,” to tell them to “celebrate their successes and manage their defeats,” to convince them to believe in his ideas, to persuade them to share their thoughts with him. That reciprocity, he said, is crucial. “I got a lot of my ideas from the players,” he said.



He is there to provide balance. Last season at Everton was a tortured one; he needed to restore faith (though he demurs from the idea that he actually did it). Now that the whole club is floating on air, he has to prevent his players from getting carried away.
This is all exactly what he did at Real and A.C. Milan and at Bayern Munich. What is different now, he concedes, is the context. There are, in Ancelotti’s worldview, two types of club: company clubs and family clubs. He has, it is no surprise to learn, largely worked at company clubs. There, the job is to arrive and to win.



At family clubs, the task is different. “It is to build something, to leave your stamp on a team,” he said. “You live better, work better in a family club. You can be more yourself. The target for every manager is to train the top teams. But also to fight to build a top team can be a great motivation.”



Ancelotti is relishing that challenge, and he is meeting it quite nicely, as the burgeoning devotion to him among Everton’s fans demonstrates. But, tempting though it is to frame it as a story of a manager finding a new lease on life in a new and different project, such a reading would not be entirely accurate.
One of the things Everton’s players appreciate most about Ancelotti, by all accounts, is that even though he demands complete focus at work, he does not engage with them solely as footballers. He is as likely to pull them aside to ask if they have seen anything interesting on television as he is to offer some morsel of tactical advice.

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That, ultimately, is the reason that Ancelotti is here, and it may be the reason that he and his team are thriving. His energy for soccer is undimmed because he is not defined by it. His appetite for his work remains because he is not consumed by it.


“Some managers do have that obsession to try to find something different,” he said. “But you can be tired of football if you have the obsession of football.” That is not a weakness, a shortcoming. It is a strength. His sport, and his work, are important to him, but they are not the only things that are important to him. Other things matter, too. Now: Do you know Crosby?


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 25, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
Cracking read that


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 25, 2020, 10:03:10 PM
Mini Klopp had us off today. Fair play to them, hope we learn from it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on October 25, 2020, 10:32:25 PM
Southampton will be very lucky to keep hold of Ralph.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: cantoffee on October 25, 2020, 10:40:54 PM
Think we got the setup wrong today.

Could see the idea seemed to be get Sig and maybe Doucoure forward more to support as Iwobi isn't very direct. Ended up leaving Godfrey exposed and too easy to cut through us in the middle.

Tough to have the three players who can play RB all be injured at the same time.

Richarlison much more important to us than we maybe knew.

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Title: Re: Carlo's Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2020, 10:54:36 PM
They are very well organised side

A couple of next level players and they could do well.... Like you say tho, that will just raise his profile

He owes em a bit of time for sticking by him tho
Southampton will be very lucky to keep hold of Ralph.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 25, 2020, 11:23:26 PM
They are very well organised side

A couple of next level players and they could do well.... Like you say tho, that will just raise his profile

He owes em a bit of time for sticking by him tho

Also, we hate it when anyone at our club does well, and then immediately gets linked with bigger clubs. I try not to say that about other clubs anymore, because I know how annoying it is for us.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 26, 2020, 12:13:46 AM
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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2020, 03:46:36 PM
Think sometimes you have to take a defeat on the chin, acknowledge the issues in the team, the fact that it's a work in progress and still be very happy with things overall.

Yes, there's issues with injuries and suspensions over the next couple of weeks and it's going to take big performances to get results, but many clubs will have issues with injuries this season.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 26, 2020, 04:09:21 PM
I'm not overly concerned about the defeat yesterday, it was expcted there would be bumps and bruises along the way this season despite shoring up the midfield.

I'm looking forward to the next couple of transfer windows when Carlo has his own full compliment of players and beds them into a style and system which takes us further forward.
No doubt we'll then have strength in depth and some excellent options to come of the bench that can make an impact.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2020, 04:35:15 PM
Also look at other clubs and their struggles, to keep a bit of perspective -

Arsenal - lost 3 of the last 4 games
Man U - sitting in 15th, not a good manager.
Chelsea - lost 1, 3 draws in the Prem, not a good manager
Man City - smashed by Leicester, fortunate draws against Leeds and West Ham
Liverpool - smashed by Villa, fortunate wins against Sheff U and Leeds
Spurs - lost to us, conceded two injury time goals to turn wins into draws.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 26, 2020, 05:43:07 PM
They were really good yesterday to be fair.  Barely misplaced a pass and their pressing probably the best in the league behind Liverpool.

We wont come up against many teams that play that way plus with our injuries/suspensions it's just one of them init m8.

I'll be a bit more concerned if don't get a result against Newcastle this weekend.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on October 26, 2020, 05:58:46 PM
The feelgood factor took a bit of a knock this weekend. We're still top of the league, and we just need to re-group. The big downside is losing Lucas Digne, for a probable 3 games. Ancelotti is a great manager, I don't think we should start to panic after our first loss and I don't think we can expect to win every game. Southampton, do look like a decent side too. Got to watch these sending's off though. Bring on the Barcodes.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2020, 06:15:14 PM
Also feel the pointless international break helped break a little momentum up as well.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: pjk on October 26, 2020, 06:20:41 PM
Also feel the pointless international break helped break a little momentum up as well.


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That's the problem with these extra internationals, they're pointless. And you're right, we lost some momentum there.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Hawkandro on October 26, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
Our strongest XI - a match for any team in the league.

Not our strongest XI - basically last year's team again, isn't it?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 26, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
On paper Southampton are an average side, but we got a bit of a shock there. They played extremely well.

For the next game we need to find a way to be a goal threat from the left too, that's the key for me. With Richarlison missing we were easy to stifle.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 26, 2020, 06:44:03 PM
On paper Southampton are an average side, but we got a bit of a shock there. They played extremely well.

For the next game we need to find a way to be a goal threat from the left too, that's the key for me. With Richarlison missing we were easy to stifle.

I don't think they're an average side. They're a good side, exceptionally well coached.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on October 26, 2020, 06:47:59 PM
Look. I've just realized. The last two results were completely my fault. I take full responsibility.

You see, for every game we've played this season, except the last two, I've been wearing my Everton shirt. The last two games, I kinda forgot to.

It won't happen again and I'll be sure to wear it for the next game.

Sorry guys. At least it makes things a little more exciting giving the rest of the pack something to chase.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: formerKHL on October 26, 2020, 09:23:17 PM
Carlo struggled yesterday....not in his own capabilities but in our lack of strength in depth of quality players in our squad to step in when required...

Coleman, Gomes and Richarlison go out....we have to put a new recruit centre back in at right back.....and a totally useless waste of a shirt in place of richy....siggurdson in for gomes exposes our midfield to basically 2 players against 4/5...allen and doucoure....with an injured james leaves us woefully weak in midfield going forward...hence DCL having to reminded what a ball looks like.....

i said before the game stop ward prowse playing and romeau and they fall apart.....we didn't.... they pressed their other midfielders forward whilst holding these 2 back to dictate the play...you all saw the end result
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on October 26, 2020, 09:36:38 PM
Carlo struggled yesterday....not in his own capabilities but in our lack of strength in depth of quality players in our squad to step in when required...

Coleman, Gomes and Richarlison go out....we have to put a new recruit centre back in at right back.....and a totally useless waste of a shirt in place of richy....siggurdson in for gomes exposes our midfield to basically 2 players against 4/5...allen and doucoure....with an injured james leaves us woefully weak in midfield going forward...hence DCL having to reminded what a ball looks like.....

i said before the game stop ward prowse playing and romeau and they fall apart.....we didn't.... they pressed their other midfielders forward whilst holding these 2 back to dictate the play...you all saw the end result

Was Gomes injured?

I thought Ancelotti had just relegated him to the bench in favour of Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on October 26, 2020, 09:37:16 PM
Siggurdson must be absolutely brilliant in training.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 26, 2020, 10:06:50 PM
Was Gomes injured?

He was a sub, so no.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Confucius on October 26, 2020, 11:04:00 PM
Thought Ancelotti missed a trick yesterday. Should of brought James into a central role at half time. Needed to get him on the ball.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on October 26, 2020, 11:21:43 PM
He was a sub, so no.

I know.

Benches often contain players who have had knocks.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 26, 2020, 11:28:46 PM
One of these again. Think theyre pretty usueful. You can see sigurdsson hiding up the pitch making sure hes marked so he didnt get the ball. We normally have Richarlison up the close in to DCL but you can see Iwobi was much wider.

Way too much passing around at the back, Carletto loves that, but only when were ahead! We have been way more direct in other games this season. The last game sigurdsson wasnt there to link up, Gomes does the simple stuff well. In the derby at least he gave the ball away when attempting a pass that would result in a chance, and the balance with him Allen and big Dounc is good.

Do think sigurdsson has looked better this season, but Gomes is far better in that role

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: bluenuck on October 26, 2020, 11:46:18 PM
One of these again. Think theyre pretty usueful. You can see sigurdsson hiding up the pitch making sure hes marked so he didnt get the ball. We normally have Richarlison up the close in to DCL but you can see Iwobi was much wider.

Way too much passing around at the back, Carletto loves that, but only when were ahead! We have been way more direct in other games this season. The last game sigurdsson wasnt there to link up, Gomes does the simple stuff well. In the derby at least he gave the ball away when attempting a pass that would result in a chance, and the balance with him Allen and big Dounc is good.

Do think sigurdsson has looked better this season, but Gomes is far better in that role

(https://i.redd.it/pcohc1le6ev51.jpg)

It's almost like Sig should replace Richarlison. He just isn't a good mid fielder and just wants to sit right behind the striker.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 27, 2020, 12:26:13 AM
Honestly how are DCL and Iwobi meant to be effective when Sig is planting himself there. Whenever he’s further back he just passes it to a CB and screams at the receiver pointing at a fullback.

Horrific footballer.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on October 27, 2020, 12:31:10 AM
Goodness me.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Goaljira on October 27, 2020, 12:41:44 AM
I started Carlo's book on audible today.  2 hours in and its a great listen.  I wish he was my boss.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 27, 2020, 12:41:46 AM
I'd put Tom Davies in there now. Gomes has been shite as well.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on October 27, 2020, 01:08:04 AM
I'd put Tom Davies in there now. Gomes has been shite as well.

Yep don't rate Davies but he deserves his go at being shit
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on October 27, 2020, 01:22:22 AM
One of these again. Think theyre pretty usueful. You can see sigurdsson hiding up the pitch making sure hes marked so he didnt get the ball. We normally have Richarlison up the close in to DCL but you can see Iwobi was much wider.

Way too much passing around at the back, Carletto loves that, but only when were ahead! We have been way more direct in other games this season. The last game sigurdsson wasnt there to link up, Gomes does the simple stuff well. In the derby at least he gave the ball away when attempting a pass that would result in a chance, and the balance with him Allen and big Dounc is good.

Do think sigurdsson has looked better this season, but Gomes is far better in that role

(https://i.redd.it/pcohc1le6ev51.jpg)

Surely Ancelotti didn’t say to Sigurdsson, “Go and play that role you performed under Silva, you know, where you’re up with with the CF, hiding from the ball.”
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: formerKHL on October 27, 2020, 01:46:03 AM
Gomes has been far from “shite”......like I’ve said previously the work he does compliments the 3 “star” signings....don’t forget we won our first 7 games with Gomes playing “shite” in the midfield...

This is a player still coming back from a serious injury......wen the spotlight is firmly on the others including richarlison and DCL......doesn’t mean he’s playing “shite”......

I remember Kevin Richardson playing for us in the 80’s......people never rated him one of those players people never noticed.......yet speak to any Everton player from that era....first name off their lips for his contribution....Kevin Richardson.......ala Gomes.....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 27, 2020, 02:14:08 AM
Gomes has been far from “shite”......like I’ve said previously the work he does compliments the 3 “star” signings....don’t forget we won our first 7 games with Gomes playing “shite” in the midfield...

This is a player still coming back from a serious injury......wen the spotlight is firmly on the others including richarlison and DCL......doesn’t mean he’s playing “shite”......

I remember Kevin Richardson playing for us in the 80’s......people never rated him one of those players people never noticed.......yet speak to any Everton player from that era....first name off their lips for his contribution....Kevin Richardson.......ala Gomes.....

A very underrated player. He was like the drummer in a band... essential but played in the background.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 27, 2020, 02:18:52 AM
I know we all hate him but would Delph be an option?

Tbh rb is more imortant to me than that MF position at the minute
I'd put Tom Davies in there now. Gomes has been shite as well.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on October 27, 2020, 02:35:41 AM
I know we all hate him but would Delph be an option?

Tbh rb is more imortant to me than that MF position at the minute

I’d have Delph over davies.

Davies is just as likely as Sigurdsson to put in a honking performance.

I trust Delph a lot more to at least do the basics right and be where he needs to be on the pitch.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on October 27, 2020, 02:39:21 AM
I trust Delph to completely lose his positioning and make rash decisions.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Alex6691 on October 27, 2020, 02:43:14 AM
Why is Delph still here?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on October 27, 2020, 07:15:03 AM
We're probably overthinking things and overreacting a bit as well, because it's our first loss and brings about insecurities. Thankfully, you'd imagine Carlo is quite calm and relaxed about things, and settling the players down.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 27, 2020, 07:24:38 AM
Reckon Gbamin will probably play in the Gomes role when he is fully fit.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: stirlingblue on October 27, 2020, 01:06:06 PM
Reckon Gbamin will probably play in the Gomes role when he is fully fit.

From what I’ve read I was expecting him to sit as the deepest of the three with Allan and Doucouré either side.

As good as he’s doing for us, Allan’s career has been more as a ball winning CM than a covering DM.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on October 27, 2020, 05:19:06 PM
In regards to stuff I said we needed to address :

Passing through the middle
Defensive actions middle third
Dribbles
Progressive runs
Chance creation

So far chance creation looking good, entirely down to James though.

Defensive actions, okay, Allan putting a shift in there despite the weekend. Better.

Dribbles and progressive runs, passing through the middle. All look stuck really.

Desperate for a one v one player still who can light up a full back and force a team to lose shape. Desperate for a good midfielder in the Gomes role. Desperate for legs on the ball - been a bit surprised Doucoure hasn't ran it more?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on October 27, 2020, 07:54:07 PM
This is pretty awesome and it's only 10 days old so I don't think it's been posted yet. Great breakdown.


Good bits on how we respond to pressing patterns that help illustrate why we've struggled against Liverpool and Southampton.

In particular, Sig didn't drop in like Gomes does.

Then neither did Doucoure for option B, so we were stuck with Allan trying to play lone pivot.

Our other main outlets tend to be the fullbacks, and Godfrey couldn't manage it. Coleman, not particularly blessed with footballing ability, racks up more progressive passes than our actual midfielders.

Digne blows everyone out the water progressive passing wise.

All signs point to a difficult few weeks.

Edit : EXCEPT - Newcastle have zero interest in pressing, so we should be fine there actually.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on October 30, 2020, 01:40:12 AM
Prem midfielders ranked by forward passes per 90 and 'smart passes' per 90.

Forward passes being ones that progress the ball vertically, smart passes being those that aim to break lines of defense and take opposition players out the game.

Andre Gomes playing the most smart passes which surprises me, but still only marginally above average, and behind such creative geniuses as Declan Rice and Granit Xhaka.

Forward pass per 90 some of the fewest in the league.

The other three are below average across the board so barely worth distinguishing, but apparently are Allan, Doucoure and Sigurdsson in that order.

Clearly still lacking huge elements in this midfield. I'd imagine we'd look similar for progressive carries and say, chances created by CM's.

Partly that will be because our build up is v reliant on Digne and James of course, but as a rule of thumb you want your midfielders doing good midfield things on the ball. We need to pick our heads up a bit and start finding a man.

https://twitter.com/NinadB_06/status/1321763798382911488?s=19
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2020, 09:45:30 PM
Normal service resumed.

Basically a nothing football club happy to make up the numbers in the Prem.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on November 01, 2020, 09:47:26 PM
Normal service resumed.

Basically a nothing football club happy to make up the numbers in the Prem.

Yeah, still a beaten side as soon as we go behind.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: kramer0 on November 01, 2020, 09:49:22 PM
He’s built a fun side when everyone’s fit and available.

He’s got an abysmal feel for our reserves though.

No way Davies doesn’t offer more than Sigurdsson and Gomes. No way Iwobi is offering more than Gordon and Bernard.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on November 01, 2020, 09:58:43 PM
We’ve had a great start.

Today the manager got it wrong and our back up players wernt good enough.

One of them. Digne and James back next week will make us a whole lot better.

Barring a massive injury crisis we’ll still have a good season. Only worry is aboslutley none of our back up players look remotely good enough.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 01, 2020, 10:00:11 PM
Hoping it means a few of those players wont play again. Wont hold my breath though.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on November 01, 2020, 10:02:49 PM
Hate Everton. Ruined another week there.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: formerKHL on November 01, 2020, 10:09:49 PM
Carlo got it wrong today for me....he started with no wide players....with Gordon sat on the bench ?

DCL banging them in because of the service from out wide.....so we start a game with no width....

Even to then put Tosun and iwobi on ahead of him when the game was still there for the taking......

Taking off the only player capable of getting forward and overlapping......

Expect your door to take a kicking tomorrow Carlo.......

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Waltzer on November 01, 2020, 10:12:13 PM
We've had a great start.

Today the manager got it wrong and our back up players wernt good enough.

One of them. Digne and James back next week will make us a whole lot better.

Barring a massive injury crisis we'll still have a good season. Only worry is aboslutley none of our back up players look remotely good enough.
Which is it though, bit of chicken and egg isn't it? If the back up players were good enough then would Carlo have got it wrong? He didn't have any choice in having to pick some of them and they need to step up and take responsibility for their performances. I personally don't think many of them can, which is why they won't be with us in 1/2 years, but it's not always easy to move them on as we've seen.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: formerKHL on November 01, 2020, 10:26:42 PM
Which is it though, bit of chicken and egg isn't it? If the back up players were good enough then would Carlo have got it wrong? He didn't have any choice in having to pick some of them and they need to step up and take responsibility for their performances. I personally don't think many of them can, which is why they won't be with us in 1/2 years, but it's not always easy to move them on as we've seen.

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Sorry waltzer mate that was a bit of a moot point there.......to say if they were good enough would he had got it wrong.......he has the squad to pick from....he knows whose “good enough” and whose not.....but to start a game with no width ? The thing I like about Gordon beyond his inexperience...is his attitude to go forward and direct......he gets to the byline and behind their defence.....no one did that today’s for us...kenny nearly got there once....can’t  think of any other time we did it....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dunkster on November 01, 2020, 10:30:48 PM
We had more than enough defensive minded midfielders to have Gordon on there. Newcastle were as wank as a team could be and they still beat us.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 01, 2020, 11:35:19 PM
Poor team selection today but changes forced I guess. I am puzzled by his faith in Sigurdsson, Bernard and Iwobi because they are just poor. Delph shouldn't be in the squad full stop. We have a deficit at RB that needs addressing because Kenny ain't got it.
Maybe Holgate would be better there short term if Coleman is injured.... Godfrey and Kean as CB would be better than Mina who I have never rated.. obviously Holgate is our best CB but he's versatile so could play several positions. We need another striker too.. today shone a light on our weakness of squad.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on November 01, 2020, 11:39:03 PM
I stopped watching after the penalty. Had some work planned for today. Glad I did. Got grass cut, changed filter on the heater, fixed a doorknob, pumped wife’s tires up and sealed some flooring.

Means I can now sit back and have a nice afternoon.

Thank you Carlo. You motivated me at least


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cozzie on November 01, 2020, 11:43:37 PM
Our fully fit first 11 is sound.

The back ups though, jesus.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 01, 2020, 11:43:47 PM
I stopped watching after the penalty. Had some work planned for today. Glad I did. Got grass cut, changed filter on the heater, fixed a doorknob, pumped wife


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Post should’ve ended there.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 02, 2020, 12:00:55 AM
Must admit I saw pumped wife and thought way too much information...I suffered the 96 minutes and now feel shit because we're no longer top.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 12:05:47 AM
Must admit I saw pumped wife and thought way too much information...I suffered the 96 minutes and now feel shit because we're no longer top.

I would’ve rather got pumped by Blarg than watch that shite.

What you doing Saturday, @blargins (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=54) ?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Sixx1402 on November 02, 2020, 12:23:07 AM
Or......

"I stopped watching after the penalty. Had some work planned for today. Glad I did. Got pubes cut, fixed knob, pumped wife"

Post should've ended there.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2020, 12:24:28 AM
I would've rather got pumped by Blarg than watch that shite.

What you doing Saturday, @blargins (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=54) ?
Pumping Paddockoldie


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 12:26:27 AM
Pumping Paddockoldie


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Gigolo Blarg 🤘🏼
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Trowel on November 02, 2020, 12:47:48 AM
I watched the game. Afterwards I heated some grass, felt a knob, thumped a door, and sealed the wife under some flooring.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 12:58:48 AM
I watched the game. Afterwards I heated some grass, felt a knob, thumped a door, and sealed the wife under some flooring.

Dark.


I like it.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on November 02, 2020, 01:54:15 AM
Dark.


I like it.

That's what she said.





In a muffled voice.





From under the flooring.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 01:56:21 AM
That's what she said.





In a muffled voice.





From under the flooring.

The slag.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on November 02, 2020, 02:01:38 AM
So this year I'm still expecting a decent season with the first eleven that we had.

But I think Ancelotti will be looking at what he can do in January, rather than waiting for the summer. He must be aware now that our bench isn't worth a wank.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2020, 02:24:39 AM
So this year I'm still expecting a decent season with the first eleven that we had.

But I think Ancelotti will be looking at what he can do in January, rather than waiting for the summer. He must be aware now that our bench isn't worth a wank.
It’s not even worth a pump.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 02:33:07 AM
It’s not even worth a pump.


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Yeah, just ask Blarg’s missus.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2020, 02:41:01 AM
Yeah, just ask Blarg's missus.
Haha touché.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 02:42:32 AM
Haha touché.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 02:46:37 AM
Honestly.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 02, 2020, 02:56:30 AM
Not sure why he left Delph on at left back and took Nkounkou off when we were looking for goals. I'd understand if we were defending a lead.

Strange day all round for Carlo.

I think he was disgusted in the Southampton performances and wanted to completely change things. That was reflected in Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard being benched, but I genuinely think if he went with the same team against Newcastle we would have won.

He wanted a reaction and it backfired. Just hope James and Coleman are fit next weekend and we could do with some good Gbamin progression.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: cantoffee on November 02, 2020, 03:40:12 AM
Bad decisions today.

Best thing to happen to the club in years. I have time for him trying new things if he wants.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 03:44:58 AM
Not sure why he left Delph on at left back and took Nkounkou off when we were looking for goals. I'd understand if we were defending a lead.

Strange day all round for Carlo.

I think he was disgusted in the Southampton performances and wanted to completely change things. That was reflected in Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard being benched, but I genuinely think if he went with the same team against Newcastle we would have won.

He wanted a reaction and it backfired. Just hope James and Coleman are fit next weekend and we could do with some good Gbamin progression.

Nkounkou was getting nowhere, and it enabled us to get another player on the pitch further up.

Plus Delph was finding Bernard / whoever inside in the build up, Nkounkou looked a bit out of his depth for me.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 02, 2020, 03:59:04 AM
Not sure why he left Delph on at left back and took Nkounkou off when we were looking for goals. I'd understand if we were defending a lead.

Strange day all round for Carlo.

I think he was disgusted in the Southampton performances and wanted to completely change things. That was reflected in Iwobi, Gordon and Bernard being benched, but I genuinely think if he went with the same team against Newcastle we would have won.

He wanted a reaction and it backfired. Just hope James and Coleman are fit next weekend and we could do with some good Gbamin progression.
I don’t mean to be a dick to you and the other 4 people that liked this, but you obviously underestimate the rigours or of PL footy when you’re a young lad who has barely played senior football.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 04:00:25 AM
Nkounkou was getting nowhere, and it enabled us to get another player on the pitch further up.

Plus Delph was finding Bernard / whoever inside in the build up, Nkounkou looked a bit out of his depth for me.

Felt sorry for Nkounkou, EPL debut without a winger to play off of.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 04:20:04 AM
Much more disappointed with today than Southampton.

Selection was very, very poor. Can understand we were missing some huge players but to revert to crowbarring Gomes and Gylfi in was risk averse at best and bottling it at worst.

We did have options and anyone who looked at that 11 could have told you what we were about to see. Individual players, especially squad players, weren't to blame for today.

Carlo 100% takes the blame for me today.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: dunkster on November 02, 2020, 04:24:39 AM
No coincidence that we played like we did at the end of last season as it was with same players we had last season. Scary how pedestrian and negative a lot of our players are.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2020, 04:26:21 AM
The set up was fine. The issue was deciding to play both Sigurdsson and Gomes at the creative players.

Somebody should’ve showed Carlo a video of the West Ham game last season with Bernard and iwobi as the interchanging tens.

He got it wrong today, but we’re third and after the United game we then have Fulham, Leeds and Burnley so we should still be hovering in the top four going into a tough run of games.

I’m still very optimistic about this season. I think the reaction has been a bit much to today. Yeah, it was grim, but we had arguably our four most important players out and any team would struggle with that.

If injuries are kind to us we’ll be right up there with the quality of player we have.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 02, 2020, 04:31:10 AM
The distinct lack of anyone running in behind made it easy to defend against us
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 04:42:19 AM
The set up was fine. The issue was deciding to play both Sigurdsson and Gomes at the creative players.

Somebody should’ve showed Carlo a video of the West Ham game last season with Bernard and iwobi as the interchanging tens.

He got it wrong today, but we’re third and after the United game we then have Fulham, Leeds and Burnley so we should still be hovering in the top four going into a tough run of games.

I’m still very optimistic about this season. I think the reaction has been a bit much to today. Yeah, it was grim, but we had arguably our four most important players out and any team would struggle with that.

If injuries are kind to us we’ll be right up there with the quality of player we have.

Yeah, Christmas tree with those two would’ve got us more chances, at least.

The main frustrating thing for me is the sudden shoehorning of Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 04:43:30 AM
The set up was fine. The issue was deciding to play both Sigurdsson and Gomes at the creative players.

Somebody should’ve showed Carlo a video of the West Ham game last season with Bernard and iwobi as the interchanging tens.

He got it wrong today, but we’re third and after the United game we then have Fulham, Leeds and Burnley so we should still be hovering in the top four going into a tough run of games.

I’m still very optimistic about this season. I think the reaction has been a bit much to today. Yeah, it was grim, but we had arguably our four most important players out and any team would struggle with that.

If injuries are kind to us we’ll be right up there with the quality of player we have.

the set up was to get them both on the pitch, it's not just a misjudgment but a real blind spot.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2020, 04:43:32 AM
It’s clear that we urgently need to replace and get rid of Sig, Iwobi, and Bernard. Replace with two or three proper creative players then we should be in a better place.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 04:45:31 AM
It’s clear that we urgently need to replace and get rid of Sig, Iwobi, and Bernard. Replace with two or three proper creative players then we should be in a better place.


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Bernard and Iwobi improved us when they came on
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: blargins on November 02, 2020, 04:48:26 AM
Bernard and Iwobi improved us when they came on
Well it’s about time then because they’ve both stunk the place out.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 04:56:11 AM
Well it’s about time then because they’ve both stunk the place out.


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They're not alone in that at least. Just with 3x less minutes.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 02, 2020, 10:49:08 AM


I don't mean to be a dick to you and the other 4 people that liked this, but you obviously underestimate the rigours or of PL footy when you're a young lad who has barely played senior football.


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You mean he was tired? He didnt look tired he just didnt have much joy, but at least he was willing to try and beat a man overlap. He played 90 minutes against West Ham IIRC.

Delph put three crosses in, all from very deep and all easily dealt with by the first man. He didnt even attempt an overlap, it was like having half a Hibbert.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Toddacelli on November 02, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
Much more disappointed with today than Southampton.

Selection was very, very poor. Can understand we were missing some huge players but to revert to crowbarring Gomes and Gylfi in was risk averse at best and bottling it at worst.

We did have options and anyone who looked at that 11 could have told you what we were about to see. Individual players, especially squad players, weren't to blame for today.

Carlo 100% takes the blame for me today.

I genuinely think he did not realise that they were that bad. Whilst he knows there is a drop in quality from 11 to the bench, he must still be thinking that this lot weren't (quite) relegation fodder, are professionals and can be relied upon to come in and do a job.

Truth is Carlo - they can't. Need some Brands magic January to make sure this season doesn't splutter out to mid-table mediocrity. At the moment I feel we can attract players. This goes on much longer and it will be harder.

Plus if Richarlison goes...
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on November 02, 2020, 02:34:38 PM
The distinct lack of anyone running in behind made it easy to defend against us

It wasn't just that though, imo it's impossible to run in behind a team that defends so deep... The biggest issue was imo no body willing to bring the ball forward from deep.  If Delph is going to drop deep to pick up the ball he needs to turn and progress it, instead of popping it back to a defender.  There were also multiple times a switch of play was on and he ignored it, and played it on the odd occasion he played it forward, to a man bring tightly marked.

Not just Delph's fault but I felt our whole game plan fell apart with him being on the pitch and being completely inept at doing anything positive with the ball.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 03:20:19 PM
It wasn't just that though, imo it's impossible to run in behind a team that defends so deep... The biggest issue was imo no body willing to bring the ball forward from deep.  If Delph is going to drop deep to pick up the ball he needs to turn and progress it, instead of popping it back to a defender.  There were also multiple times a switch of play was on and he ignored it, and played it on the odd occasion he played it forward, to a man bring tightly marked.

Not just Delph's fault but I felt our whole game plan fell apart with him being on the pitch and being completely inept at doing anything positive with the ball.

The fact they defend so deep made it even more mystifying that we had no players on from the start, that either run with the ball, or pass it forward.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Shogun on November 02, 2020, 09:11:34 PM
Delph's passing to Keane though.

(https://i.redd.it/ux3yaa0ebsw51.jpg)
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 09:19:00 PM
Delph's passing to Keane though.

(https://i.redd.it/ux3yaa0ebsw51.jpg)

Not healthy that like.

Still tho...

Sigs most active passing lane - sending it directly back to Allen or Doucoure.

"Get on the ball? Thanks but no thanks!"
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 02, 2020, 09:20:04 PM
So Gomes and Siggy didn’t pass to each other once??
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 02, 2020, 09:34:56 PM
So Gomes and Siggy didn’t pass to each other once??

Think you need a minimum of x passes to show a line.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 02, 2020, 09:39:48 PM

"Get on the ball? Thanks but no thanks!"


Sigurdsson’s career epitaph.
Title: Carlo's Way
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2020, 09:49:05 PM
It looks like the idea was to have Delph and Doucoure drop a little wider to play the ball between lines for Gomes and Sigurdsson. Full backs were providing the width as Delph and Doucoure’s positioning helped cover the space they vacated.

It begs the question... why not start two players who actually have playing between the lines in their locker? Iwobi, Bernard, and Gordon were all available.

Even if the idea was that Gomes and Sigurdsson were safer and would do more to shut down Newcastle's counters, both should have been hauled off for two of the above as soon as the penalty happened.

Strange management from someone who's generally done a good job.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on November 02, 2020, 09:56:10 PM
Delph's passing to Keane though.

(https://i.redd.it/ux3yaa0ebsw51.jpg)

Exactly what I was saying, and yet people were still arguing he was progressive with the ball 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on November 02, 2020, 10:04:11 PM
Sigurdsson’s career epitaph.
I always say awful footballer who scores spectacular goals. Were fucking owed a golazo or 2 from him been a while
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2020, 11:25:33 PM
Delph was the worst player on the pitch yesterday by a mile
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on November 03, 2020, 12:04:56 AM
Delph was the worst player on the pitch yesterday by a mile

Agreed
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 03, 2020, 02:06:00 AM
I always say awful footballer who scores spectacular goals. Were fucking owed a golazo or 2 from him been a while

Yeah, he’ll pull out a few last minute consolation screamers over the next few games, after typically bland performances.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 03, 2020, 02:33:27 AM
Exactly what I was saying, and yet people were still arguing he was progressive with the ball 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
I’m not really arsed about getting involved with this and don’t care too strongly, either way - but in his defence, it wasn’t his or Allan’s job to be progressive. They were there to screen and (in Delph’s case, cover Nkounkou’s forward runs). Gomes and Sigurdsson were the ones who were in the team to provide creativity.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 03, 2020, 02:34:41 AM
Delph was the worst player on the pitch yesterday by a mile
Kenny, Mina, Gomes all worse by a country mile.


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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 03, 2020, 02:43:28 AM
Delph was the worst player on the pitch yesterday by a mile
Wasnt even our worst midfielder imo
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2020, 02:45:35 AM
Don't think Mina did anything wrong really. Won everything in the air and on the ground as ever.

Got beaten by pace around the outside by a nippy player when we were pushed up chasing an equaliser...that will happen like. If it was Michael Keane he's still be on the turn now.

He kept up with him and made a good challenge, got unlucky with the bobble.

Eg. watch the Wilson chance in the opening mins. Keane blown away.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: formerKHL on November 03, 2020, 03:03:02 AM
You can see from this thread alone why football is a mixed bag of opinions.....

And why we love it.....
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on November 03, 2020, 03:45:38 AM
You can see from this thread alone why football is a mixed bag of opinions.....

And why we love it.....
Indeed I think we can all agree though that were going in the right direction and hopefully soon we wont have to argue about who is the shittest. Would be amazing if we could ship 1 or 2 more players in Jan and get some upgrades, but realistically gonna have to suffer until next summer with the weak replacement players
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on November 03, 2020, 04:35:38 AM
I’m not really arsed about getting involved with this and don’t care too strongly, either way - but in his defence, it wasn’t his or Allan’s job to be progressive. They were there to screen and (in Delph’s case, cover Nkounkou’s forward runs). Gomes and Sigurdsson were the ones who were in the team to provide creativity.


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Actually when he's dropping deep to pick up the ball from the central defenders against a team defending deep it's 100% his job to be progressive, because he's receiving the ball under no pressure.  If it's not his job there's zero point in him dropping deep and taking it off them.

His job wasn't solely to cover Nkoukou, it was to take the ball and move it in a manner other than just eternally back to Mina and Keane.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2020, 03:17:43 PM
The echo making positive noises around something Carlo has said which for me is not positive at all.

'to develop a player he has to play. I'm not here to develop players, I'm here to keep Everton at the top.'

??? This is so at odds with modern football startegy about how to develop a club. What kind of logic is that, we're not a super club. we're not at the top? We'll likely be 9th by Sunday night. I'm not here to develop players?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on November 06, 2020, 03:22:25 PM
The echo making positive noises around something Carlo has said which for me is not positive at all.

'to develop a player he has to play. I'm not here to develop players, I'm here to keep Everton at the top.'

??? This is so at odds with modern football startegy about how to develop a club. What kind of logic is that, we're not a super club. we're not at the top? We'll likely be 9th by Sunday night. I'm not here to develop players?

That's his remit unfortunately.

We want to be at the top and we want to be there as soon as possible.

I wouldn't take that comment at face value. He's already done a good job in developing our players and making them better. Also hoping Brands is there to counter any short term thinking.

I do worry about the Gordon situation though.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 06, 2020, 03:48:26 PM
Yeah hopefully that's a comment that's got lost in translation a bit but it is slightly disheartening to hear.

Especially as he's already said he few times he'd love to be here beyond the four years of his contract etc.  Developing players absolutely should be his job in that case.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on November 06, 2020, 04:04:43 PM
Needs a bit more context to analyse really.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2020, 04:09:53 PM
That's his remit unfortunately.

We want to be at the top and we want to be there as soon as possible.

I wouldn't take that comment at face value. He's already done a good job in developing our players and making them better. Also hoping Brands is there to counter any short term thinking.

I do worry about the Gordon situation though.

Yeah don't want to read too much into that one comment, but apparently was in response to Gordon stuff?

Getting to the top today, like I say the modern strategy isn't about buying 28 year olds, but I know what you mean ultimately he's here to get points on the board as often as possible, which if we continue to do so who could argue.

Just feels ten years out of date that kind of thinking, and polar opposite to the noises brands has been making. Will be interesting to see what happens with his contract next i suppose.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 06, 2020, 05:33:30 PM
But on the flip side, is it small club mentality to want to develop young players at the cost of results? None of the top clubs do that.

Although, I think Gordon has more end product in his locker than Iwobi and Bernard as it is, without any further development.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2020, 06:20:12 PM
But on the flip side, is it small club mentality to want to develop young players at the cost of results? None of the top clubs do that.

Although, I think Gordon has more end product in his locker than Iwobi and Bernard as it is, without any further development.

Big clubs don't need to do this because they are big clubs.

Improving clubs however do need to do this, is the modern thinking around running a club.

It doesn't matter how many superstar cycles fail at united, they can just do it again. We can't. Lyon can't. Atalanta cant. Leicester can't. Red bull whoever cant. Liverpool to an extent...won't?

I am surprised people still don't really buy this idea but is what it is.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on November 06, 2020, 07:03:56 PM
I would read that more as 'I'll play Gordon when I think the time is right, not just to develop him at the expense of results', rather than him having no interest in developing players at all.

The argument of course is would playing him instead of Iwobi or Bernard be at the expense of results, but Ancelotti sees them every day in training and knows what they can do, and how they fit in to his system... so he's probably got a more informed view of that than we as fans do.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 06, 2020, 07:15:29 PM
Big clubs don't need to do this because they are big clubs.

Improving clubs however do need to do this, is the modern thinking around running a club.

It doesn't matter how many superstar cycles fail at united, they can just do it again. We can't. Lyon can't. Atalanta cant. Leicester can't. Red bull whoever cant. Liverpool to an extent...won't?

I am surprised people still don't really buy this idea but is what it is.
Yeah that's one way, a very efficient way, but it's not the only way.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: American Evertonian on November 06, 2020, 08:55:55 PM
Yeah hopefully that's a comment that's got lost in translation a bit but it is slightly disheartening to hear.

Especially as he's already said he few times he'd love to be here beyond the four years of his contract etc.  Developing players absolutely should be his job in that case.

Did he really? I didn’t know he had said that.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 06, 2020, 09:28:47 PM
Given we don't know the context, Kirkbride (lol) from the Echo is the only person who said it (buried midway through an article about Isco), and literally have no idea how it was translated/responded to by Carlo, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in it.

In today's presser, he had to have an aide explain what "frame of mind" meant.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2020, 10:42:02 PM
He should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Player development absolutely has to be part of his remit, while also trying to keep the first team as high up the table as possible. @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) is absolutely correct.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 06, 2020, 10:48:13 PM
He should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Player development absolutely has to be part of his remit, while also trying to keep the first team as high up the table as possible. @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) is absolutely correct.

Except...we have 0 basis to assume we know the context.

Maybe he answered it thinking the question was asked for him to say why he thought he was hired?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
Except...we have 0 basis to assume we know the context.

Maybe he answered it thinking the question was asked for him to say why he thought he was hired?

It said in the article that the answer was in relation to questions about Gordon's lack of involvement, so I think we can reasonably infer the meaning and context.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 06, 2020, 11:03:46 PM
It said in the article that the answer was in relation to questions about Gordon's lack of involvement, so I think we can reasonably infer the meaning and context.

I know, I read it, I'm just saying we don't truly know everything unless they post the full video. For example, maybe Mosh hired him for exactly what he said, and promised that they'd be strengthening the academy/loan system to own the development piece.

One thing is clear, he doesn't believe Gordon is ready, the same as an admitted minority of us, but still.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2020, 11:04:50 PM
I know, I read it, I'm just saying we don't truly know everything unless they post the full video. For example, maybe Mosh hired him for exactly what he said, and promised that they'd be strengthening the academy/loan system to own the development piece.

One thing is clear, he doesn't believe Gordon is ready, the same as an admitted minority of us, but still.

I agree with @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) that's it's a slightly concerning comment. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on November 06, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
He's played Gordon and Nkoukou in the cups though so I think he's happy to develop our younger players... But he's here to achieve top 4, that's his remit, and he can't put an individual player's development over that goal.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on November 06, 2020, 11:18:07 PM
He's played Gordon and Nkoukou in the cups though so I think he's happy to develop our younger players... But he's here to achieve top 4, that's his remit, and he can't put an individual player's development over that goal.

Walk and chew gum
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 07, 2020, 12:40:26 AM
Really dont see the issue here. He's one of the most successful managers in the world and he's just stated he's here to put us at the top, or however he put it. Daft to focus negatively on the other part of his sentence and ignore what he's done with Calvert-Lewin.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Old England Toffee on November 07, 2020, 01:35:49 AM
Really dont see the issue here. He's one of the most successful managers in the world and he's just stated he's here to put us at the top, or however he put it. Daft to focus negatively on the other part of his sentence and ignore what he's done with Calvert-Lewin.

Exactly, more than context its interpretation. You can read it as 'im not interested in developing players, I want to buy and play the finished article', or 'My first priority is to win and improve the 1st team, if the young players are good enough to do that theyre in, otherwise they have to keep training hard and learning from the staff and senior players.

If you think about it in terms of Kean rather than Gordon, then its 'He needed game time to develop but Im not prepared to jeopordise results getting him that experience, so the CL runners up can do that for us.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Jamokachi on November 07, 2020, 02:32:12 AM
He should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Player development absolutely has to be part of his remit, while also trying to keep the first team as high up the table as possible. @brap2 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) is absolutely correct.

Which he is obviously doing. From day 1 he’s talked about the young core of the team that can develop.

This is a nothing soundbite.

Of course he knows part of his remit is developing players.

What he isn’t though is a manager that takes control of the entire club including youth teams (like Moyes was/did). He’s a coach in the truest European sense.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 07, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
Did my eyes deceive me, or did we start playing well when Sigurdsson went off, and then he took James off for Tosun and went back to 442?
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2020, 08:58:46 PM
Not lost 3 game in a row for 14 years.

Obviously he’s been managing the best teams in the world for that period but that’s still a comforting stat to me.

Suggests he’s a manager that can address problems and not let a team slide down the table.

Compare that to koeman and silva who both had previous for going on horrendous runs of form and ultimately getting the boot.

He’ll turn it round with Richarlison back in the team and I have faith that he will sort the defensive issues out.

Title: Carlo's Way
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2020, 09:11:04 PM
Did my eyes deceive me, or did we start playing well when Sigurdsson went off, and then he took James off for Tosun and went back to 442?

It must have had something to do with James' fitness.

He didn't have many options but Tosun is always a bad call.

Just like Siggy, you hardly notice he's on the pitch.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: sam of the south on November 07, 2020, 09:15:31 PM
Not lost 3 game in a row for 14 years.

Obviously he’s been managing the best teams in the world for that period but that’s still a comforting stat to me.

Suggests he’s a manager that can address problems and not let a team slide down the table.

Compare that to koeman and silva who both had previous for going on horrendous runs of form and ultimately getting the boot.

He’ll turn it round with Richarlison back in the team and I have faith that he will sort the defensive issues out.



Sigurdsson, though, man.

Proper grim football, now, as well.

As underwhelming as Gomes is, he seemed to at least understand the system that won us all those games.

Then Sigurdsson comes in, and does nothing for our balance, defensive cover, or attacking threat.

Then he finally hooks him today, we look quite a bit better, but then within minutes he goes back to last seasons grim 442.

I’m proper disheartened, tbh.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Bluedylan on November 07, 2020, 09:27:01 PM
His biggest challenge will be to change the collective mentality of the club. I really don't have any idea how you do that.

If he does that, it'll be up there with his Champions League wins.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on November 07, 2020, 09:30:00 PM
Happy with what he was trying to do today despite it being a poor performance

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 07, 2020, 09:40:14 PM
The echo making positive noises around something Carlo has said which for me is not positive at all.

'to develop a player he has to play. I'm not here to develop players, I'm here to keep Everton at the top.'

??? This is so at odds with modern football startegy about how to develop a club. What kind of logic is that, we're not a super club. we're not at the top? We'll likely be 9th by Sunday night. I'm not here to develop players?

That’s a dreadful thing to say. Especially when some of the players we are playing are crap anyway. Even if Gordon is worse short term it’s worth it if we feel he’s a player that could be developed
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2020, 09:43:28 PM
4231

Bernard and iwobi out wide and James in the number ten.

It solves the problem of having to play either Sigurdsson or Gomes, plus Bernard and iwobi will give more off the ball and stop up getting over run in the wide areas.

Will also mean we have three creative players on the pitch instead of one and will take the burden off James.

Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Silas on November 07, 2020, 09:47:15 PM
Yep i think Iwobi in particular gives Coleman decent cover
4231

Bernard and iwobi out wide and James in the number ten.

It solves the problem of having to play either Sigurdsson or Gomes, plus Bernard and iwobi will give more off the ball and stop up getting over run in the wide areas.

Will also mean we have three creative players on the pitch instead of one and will take the burden off James.

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Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2020, 10:19:22 PM
Sign a good right winger in Jan, move James central into an 8/10 coutinho at Liverpool style role.

Sign a good right back.

Win the cup.
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: Macca77 on November 07, 2020, 10:29:53 PM
Sign a good right winger in Jan, move James central into an 8/10 coutinho at Liverpool style role.

Sign a good right back.

Win the cup.

Yes! Can we also banish Sigurdsson, Bernard, Tosun and Delph to the bog of eternal stench
Title: Re: Carlo’s Way
Post by: ajax_andy on November 07, 2020, 11:28:05 PM
Sign a good right winger in Jan, move James central into an 8/10 coutinho at Liverpool style role.

Sign a good right back.

Win the cup.

Move James central and we need to buy a proper defensive midfielder too... W