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Title: Michael Keane
Post by: ally2 on May 24, 2020, 04:52:02 PM
About his struggles with form and injury:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52771317
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Big Nev on May 24, 2020, 05:27:31 PM
Nobody should suffer like that for trying to do their job. Yes I count playing football a job.
If a professional musician in an orchestra is counted as his work, why not footballers?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ally2 on May 24, 2020, 08:14:27 PM
Rarely do we really know what is going on with players. And rarely is this considered when players go through bad performances or form. Surprising really given the increased mental health awareness generally.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on May 24, 2020, 09:40:39 PM
He's a good lad and he's a good defender when he's on form, I maintain he's a good player and would like to see him succeed with us
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on May 24, 2020, 09:44:46 PM
He's a good lad and he's a good defender when he's on form, I maintain he's a good player and would like to see him succeed with us

He was decent last season alongside Zouma. This season hasn't been as good, guess both he and Mina need a Zouma type alongside them? Hope he succeeds though of course. The experience will have made him stronger for sure.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on May 24, 2020, 10:05:12 PM
Too slow for me, hope he is able to enjoy a good rest of his career in the prem and has lots of good things about his game but he turns like a canal boat and anything in behind is impossible for him to catch
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Macca77 on May 24, 2020, 10:31:35 PM
He's one of a few players we've signed that I like and want him to succeed, good defender but a liability for to often, looks a better player when he's got big commanding centre half along side him
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Shogun on May 24, 2020, 11:03:44 PM
He's played nearly 100 games for us and I've seen enough to know he's not the CB we need.

I do wish him nothing but success but it shouldn't be with us.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2020, 02:46:06 AM
He shouldn't worry many of us who suffer mental health troubles have money troubles as well, and many with no homes, so he really shouldn't bother about top flight football not really being his level, lovely lad though.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Shogun on May 26, 2020, 02:57:12 AM
He shouldn't worry many of us who suffer mental health troubles have money troubles as well, and many with no homes, so he really shouldn't bother about top flight football not really being his level, lovely lad though.

Whenever Iím depressed I just think of starving Ethiopian children and suddenly Iím right as rain again.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: 74Blue on May 26, 2020, 03:01:32 AM
He shouldn't worry many of us who suffer mental health troubles have money troubles as well, and many with no homes, so he really shouldn't bother about top flight football not really being his level, lovely lad though.
That's always thrown in though "What's he got to be depressed about, he's on grands a week". Unfortunately, depression doesn't work like that, it doesn't descriminate. It gets hold of you and just squeezes tighter and tighter until you can't breathe. It doesn't matter how much money you have or how happy you appear on the outside, depression is a cunt!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2020, 03:06:28 AM
Whenever Iím depressed I just think of starving Ethiopian children and suddenly Iím right as rain again.
Whenever i feel a bit down about footballers virtue signalling with a bit of depression, i think about escaping from a police van and being captured again, suffering schizophrenia from drugs and drink related psychosis and never seeing home for months at a time, after being sectioned and held
 at the will of a load of cruel bastards they actually call nurses and doctors, so i feel the need to call this for the bullshit it is.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2020, 03:17:10 AM
That's always thrown in though "What's he got to be depressed about, he's on grands a week". Unfortunately, depression doesn't work like that, it doesn't descriminate. It gets hold of you and just squeezes tighter and tighter until you can't breathe. It doesn't matter how much money you have or how happy you appear on the outside, depression is a cunt!
Michael Keane gets the blues, he is not mentally ill, they are demeaning real mental illness with this bollocks, he's caused more depression for blues watching him fucking play.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on May 26, 2020, 03:40:18 AM
Whenever i feel a bit down about footballers virtue signalling with a bit of depression, i think about escaping from a police van and being captured again, suffering schizophrenia from drugs and drink related psychosis and never seeing home for months at a time, after being sectioned and held
 at the will of a load of cruel bastards they actually call nurses and doctors, so i feel the need to call this for the bullshit it is.

What on earth is virtue signalling a bit of depression
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2020, 03:59:13 AM
He shouldn't worry many of us who suffer mental health troubles have money troubles as well, and many with no homes, so he really shouldn't bother about top flight football not really being his level, lovely lad though.

Itís not a competition though. He can be suffering too even if heís less ill and less outwardly to suffer about. Also while heís not been brilliant too flight football is his level. Thereís no doubt heís good enough to play premier league football
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2020, 04:04:14 AM
What on earth is virtue signalling a bit of depression
As well as them having no fucking idea what real mental illness is, it's about time we started concentrating on making a real fucking football team instead of fannying about with this mamby pamby shit, Oh lets make him captain till he's 50, he gets depression don't ya know, fuck me it's a football club not a fuckin drop in.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2020, 04:09:42 AM
Itís not a competition though. He can be suffering too even if heís less ill and less outwardly to suffer about. Also while heís not been brilliant too flight football is his level. Thereís no doubt heís good enough to play premier league football
Aye sometimes he is, we need better now and not only him, how the fuck have we ended up with so many shit players FFS, time for it to be different, if we can't sell um shoot um, poor Carlo, god love him.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on May 26, 2020, 05:21:34 AM
You are on one here big man
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on May 26, 2020, 05:27:25 AM
As well as them having no fucking idea what real mental illness is, it's about time we started concentrating on making a real fucking football team instead of fannying about with this mamby pamby shit, Oh lets make him captain till he's 50, he gets depression don't ya know, fuck me it's a football club not a fuckin drop in.

If you know what mental illness is as well as you say you do you will know it can affect anybody. No one's mental illness is more worthy than anyone's else's.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2020, 05:38:14 AM
You are on one here big man
Fuckin was your right, meant every word and feel better for lettin it out..ta, sometimes an echo chamber needs an interruption, but no getting away from the fact this club needs a mental enema, then we may just flower once more.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 26, 2020, 05:45:33 AM
If you know what mental illness is as well as you say you do you will know it can affect anybody. No one's mental illness is more worthy than anyone's else's.
True it isn't but some of what's called mental illness just isn't, does no good for people to be labelled mentally ill when they are not, just the same as some people are wrongly labelled criminals when they are suffering mental illness, the pegs have got to be in the right holes.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: bluestevie on May 26, 2020, 06:59:06 AM
Michael Keane gets the blues, he is not mentally ill, they are demeaning real mental illness with this bollocks, he's caused more depression for blues watching him fucking play.

Oh fuck right off with that shite mate
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 26, 2020, 07:02:31 AM
True it isn't but some of what's called mental illness just isn't, does no good for people to be labelled mentally ill when they are not, just the same as some people are wrongly labelled criminals when they are suffering mental illness, the pegs have got to be in the right holes.
Mental illness comes in many forms, varying degrees of severity that fluctuate, often start in a minor way and progress if untreated, can be harder to cope with if there are also psychological difficulties as well.
Last week was mental health awareness week and in the culture he works in it takes some bottle  to come out and be honest about one's feelings. The message you are sending out (intentionally or unintentionally) is f**k off I can't be arsed about your feelings and that applies to everyone suffering. Did you say the same thing about Speed, Lennon and others?
Depression is a killer and a ruiner of lives and comparing it to other mental illnesses serves no useful purpose at all.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 26, 2020, 09:18:47 AM
As well as them having no fucking idea what real mental illness is, it's about time we started concentrating on making a real fucking football team instead of fannying about with this mamby pamby shit, Oh lets make him captain till he's 50, he gets depression don't ya know, fuck me it's a football club not a fuckin drop in.

Have a fucking word with yourself. What an awful opinion to have.

You have no idea what he has been through, you have no idea how he has felt, the thoughts he has had.

Perhaps his depression/mental health condition has been heightened by the fact he thinks (wrongly) that he shouldnt be feeling that way because he is a wealthy footballer.

People like you, spouting this shite, is not helping the stigma surrounding mental illness.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Jamokachi on May 26, 2020, 09:59:36 AM
Someone's had a few bank holiday drinks I see. Christ.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Confucius on May 26, 2020, 12:06:14 PM
My word. Not to make light of mental illness but you seem to have had a bit of a psychotic episode. Thatís extreme.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 26, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
Pissed idiot.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on May 26, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
Fucking hell... Just wanted to echo what the majority are saying here, mental illness comes in many forms, and having a high pressured job can certainly cause it to regardless of what you're paid.

Sadly unless you've suffered with mental health you don't understand what it's like, and whilst I've never suffered from depression, I have and do suffer badly from anxiety, which until I had I'd have never understand how fucking awful it is.

So yeah, if anyone wants to go round saying stupid shit about anyone's mental health they can seriously do one!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on May 26, 2020, 02:39:10 PM
Anthony Bourdain was a world famous chef and author who spent his life seeing the world's most beautiful places and eating the world's most beautiful food, getting paid handsomely for it along the way.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2020, 02:53:27 PM
At the risk of sounding trite (genuinely not btw), that sounds like your depression talking @eyesalwaysblue (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=789) and I'm glad you felt better after getting it off your chest.

You've shared some scary shit there bro.

One of the things I noticed living with my ex, who suffered terribly, was that depression can make people very self-focused. I would not be surprised if many people with depression struggle to empathise with others and place their own suffering and battle above everything else. It makes perfect sense - we are animals after all and perhaps our strongest instinct is self-preservation. The self before all else.

So as contentious as some of the views one of our fellow posters has put actually are - I would caution against too much knee-jerk mob-mentality and just ask everyone to look at some of the other things he has shared about his own experience. I'd like this forum to continue to be a place we can share some of the ugly and personal stuff with each other. I'm not saying don't call each other out - I'm just saying try not to make it personal.

If this has come across as condescending, big brother, know-all shite - I know it does a bit. I have tried to express myself as best I can and this is the best I could come up with.

Love to all.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2020, 05:00:11 AM
Not his biggest fan but when he's good he's good.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blueToffee on June 25, 2020, 08:07:16 AM
Up in the air to me as to whether he's a squad player or a first team player, but under Ancelotti (and in fairness under Ferguson too) he's looking a lot more like a reliable first team player.

Either way, I like him and I'd keep him.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on June 25, 2020, 03:07:10 PM
Really good last night, him and Holgate look like a good partnership.  Maybe another whose starting to turn a corner with us.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on June 25, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
Meh, first game back he gives the ball away in his own half within the first five minutes.

Yesterday it took him three minutes to do that.

He will always have that in him unfortunately. I canít wait to get him out the team for Yerry.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 25, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
2 years left on his deal. Decision time: needs to be offered a new deal or sold.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on June 25, 2020, 03:33:52 PM
Meh, first game back he gives the ball away in his own half within the first five minutes.

Yesterday it took him three minutes to do that.

He will always have that in him unfortunately. I canít wait to get him out the team for Yerry.

Kean (man of the match and scorer of the only goal) - shit, get him out.

Keane - Garbage, did nothing good again... Apparently decent game.

Starting to question your judgement tbh!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on June 25, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
2 years left on his deal. Decision time: needs to be offered a new deal or sold.


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Id sale. We need to start being more savvy and selling when we can hopefully make a profit. His stock is reasonably high at the moment, but us fans who watch him know he has a number of errors in him and probably wont be what we need. I personally thought him and Holgate weren't that great yesterday and when Buendia and Pukki came on they got pulled all over the place. It was easy before against a reserve Norwich side
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: sam of the south on June 25, 2020, 03:56:12 PM
Kean (man of the match and scorer of the only goal) - shit, get him out.

Keane - Garbage, did nothing good again... Apparently decent game.

Starting to question your judgement tbh!

Think you might wanna edit your spellings, mate.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on June 25, 2020, 03:57:17 PM
Kean (man of the match and scorer of the only goal) - shit, get him out.

Keane - Garbage, did nothing good again... Apparently decent game.

Starting to question your judgement tbh!

Question it if you like but Iím not making judgements on one game of football that isnít really proper football.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 25, 2020, 04:45:30 PM
Question it if you like but Iím not making judgements on one game of football that isnít really proper football.

I think the problem is your judgement on that 1 game is based in part on your long term judgement of the players

Keane was good. Kean wasnít. Yet because people think it opposite might be true in terms of long term usefulness they rate them using different scales
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Cozzie on June 25, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
Still rather sell him.

Doesn't do it often enough, runs a little weird and just isn't what we need.

New CB is needed.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 25, 2020, 07:17:16 PM
The issue might be in this deflated market, no one would be able to offer decent money for him? Would you still sell if we could only get £10m for him?


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: bigmanbob on June 25, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
Think he was ok yesterday but was surprised he was MOM, purely based on his second half performance I'd have given it to Iwobi
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 25, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
Keep him until we get better. With our track record of selling first and taking 6 years to replace having Keane is much better than not having anyone.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on June 25, 2020, 08:52:03 PM
Sell him, if you get any remotely reasonable bid.

Not a fan, and one swallow doesn't make a summer.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 25, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
Keep him until we get better. With our track record of selling first and taking 6 years to replace having Keane is much better than not having anyone.


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Keeping him prevents us from getting better lol.

Sell him, if you get any remotely reasonable bid.

Not a fan, and one swallow doesn't make a summer.

This. I have nothing against the guy, but he's just not a top-half table CB. Certainly not a team with designs on Europe, not even as a squad player. This summer is the time to move him, and I'm sure there's a team that would give us £18-20m for him. He's not on outrageous wages either so it's not a tall order to move him. IMO, of course.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 25, 2020, 10:03:34 PM
Weíll see how it pans out but I donít see any teams that are of his level, being able to make us a decent offer for him.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Everton Mint on June 25, 2020, 10:34:31 PM
Carlo knows a bit about defending and defenders. Trust his judgement.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 25, 2020, 10:35:07 PM
Keeping him prevents us from getting better lol.
.

How?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 25, 2020, 10:41:10 PM
How?

Because we need 3 quality starting CBs. 4 preferably. Regardless, it's either sell him this next window or lose him on a free the following summer.

We have plenty of wages coming off the books by June 2021 so may as well try to add some transfer money to the bank.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 25, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
Because we need 3 quality starting CBs. 4 preferably. Regardless, it's either sell him this next window or lose him on a free the following summer.

We have plenty of wages coming off the books by June 2021 so may as well try to add some transfer money to the bank.

Given our track record of selling players and then never replacing them, I don't think that's a good idea. We have 3 central defenders right now. Him, Mina (injured) and Holgate. I'd rather bring someone in first and have 4 strong defenders and then sell Keane than sell Keane and then get no one in to replace him. Or someone shit because we ran out of time. Like with Gana and Delph.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 25, 2020, 11:27:10 PM
Given our track record of selling players and then never replacing them, I don't think that's a good idea. We have 3 central defenders right now. Him, Mina (injured) and Holgate. I'd rather bring someone in first and have 4 strong defenders and then sell Keane than sell Keane and then get no one in to replace him. Or someone shit because we ran out of time. Like with Gana and Delph.

I don't think any track record before Brands is relevant, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on June 25, 2020, 11:38:41 PM
I don't think any track record before Brands is relevant, but that's just me.

Didnt Brands do exactly this with Zouma though? Admittedly he was only on loan, but he left us fucked for the start of the season with hardly any cover
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 25, 2020, 11:44:18 PM
Didnt Brands do exactly this with Zouma though? Admittedly he was only on loan, but he left us fucked for the start of the season with hardly any cover

Yes, he was on loan. If you recall, it was Silva pushing to the last day for Zouma "with confidence." Not quite the same thing as planning to sell Keane while lining up 1-2 replacements. Probably only 1 because I personally think Branthwaite isn't far off.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 26, 2020, 12:00:12 AM
I don't think any track record before Brands is relevant, but that's just me.

Gana being sold and Delph being bought was under Brands though.

Besides, we do have a track record of this Brands or not.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 26, 2020, 12:01:04 AM
Gana being sold and Delph being bought was under Brands though.

Besides, we do have a track record of this Brands or not.

What does Delph have to do with anything?

Gana being sold was supposed to be replaced (in part, at least) by Gbamin. Unless you fault Brands for not having a crystal ball.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 26, 2020, 12:03:37 AM
What does Delph have to do with anything?

Gana being sold was supposed to be replaced (in part, at least) by Gbamin. Unless you fault Brands for not having a crystal ball.

Sorry, forgot about Gbamin. Understandably so given he's been a complete waste of time and money so far (no ones fault of course).

Point still remains. We rarely get a replacement ahead of time. Lukaku an example. Brands is at fault on that one given the closest we do have to a replacement is DCL and we've been lucky he's finally coming good in the second part of this season.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 26, 2020, 12:17:28 AM
Sorry, forgot about Gbamin. Understandably so given he's been a complete waste of time and money so far (no ones fault of course).

Point still remains. We rarely get a replacement ahead of time. Lukaku an example. Brands is at fault on that one given the closest we do have to a replacement is DCL and we've been lucky he's finally coming good in the second part of this season.

I give up lol
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: sam of the south on June 26, 2020, 12:23:25 AM
Sorry, forgot about Gbamin. Understandably so given he's been a complete waste of time and money so far (no ones fault of course).

Point still remains. We rarely get a replacement ahead of time. Lukaku an example. Brands is at fault on that one given the closest we do have to a replacement is DCL and we've been lucky he's finally coming good in the second part of this season.

So, we can criticise if a replacement doesnít come off, but when DCL starts to flourish, after Brands had faith in him, itís just luck?

You canít have it both ways, mate.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 26, 2020, 12:29:42 AM
So, we can criticise if a replacement doesnít come off, but when DCL starts to flourish, after Brands had faith in him, itís just luck?

You canít have it both ways, mate.

Brands was also the one who negotiated and offered new contracts to Richarlison, Holgate, and yes, DCL.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on June 26, 2020, 12:35:10 AM
Think you might wanna edit your spellings, mate.

Haha FFS don't know my Keans from my Keans 😂
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 26, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
Haha FFS don't know my Keans from my Keans 😂

I for one am keen to see if you make the same mistake twice.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 26, 2020, 12:57:33 AM
So, we can criticise if a replacement doesnít come off, but when DCL starts to flourish, after Brands had faith in him, itís just luck?

You canít have it both ways, mate.

I wasn't really criticizing Brands, in fact I never brought him into this. Just the fact that we have a pretty poor record with replacing players that we sell.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 26, 2020, 01:00:18 AM
I wasn't really criticizing Brands, in fact I never brought him into this. Just the fact that we have a pretty poor record with replacing players that we sell.

Right, before Brands 😅
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on June 26, 2020, 01:32:27 AM
Yes, he was on loan. If you recall, it was Silva pushing to the last day for Zouma "with confidence." Not quite the same thing as planning to sell Keane while lining up 1-2 replacements. Probably only 1 because I personally think Branthwaite isn't far off.

I'm not seeing the difference. Chelsea said all along Zouma wasn't being sold, we knew without getting a replacement we were massively short, Brands put all good eggs in the Zouma basket just like Silva did, he should've had a plan B and C not to leave us screwed.
If anything he should've had longer to prepare as we were told for most of the season and definitely the close season that Zouma wasnt going to be ours.

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on June 26, 2020, 01:38:20 AM
So, we can criticise if a replacement doesn't come off, but when DCL starts to flourish, after Brands had faith in him, it's just luck?

You can't have it both ways, mate.
You could argue a replacement was needed for Rom. There's having faith and then there's being left with a striker that scored less goals in 3 seasons than what Rom did in 1. I'm all for giving kids a chance but I don't think many would argue it was wrong to put DCL in that position. Although appreciate that Walsh was more responsible than Brands for this

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 26, 2020, 01:41:55 AM
Right, before Brands 😅

That doesn't change the fact we have a poor record. Brands has been here 2 years. Still 2 years without a replacement striker. Only Gbamin came in to replace Gana (after we had sold Gana too). As already said, no center back to replace Zouma. Jags left as well which left us with an injury prone Mina, an unstable Keane and a young Holgate who everyone had written off. We've been fortunate with DCL and Holgate finally coming good, but even that took time this season.

I like Brands and trust him far more than what we've had in the past, but this is one area that still needs proving. Letting Keane go without a replacement wouldn't be a good idea imo. It would leave us with a currently injured Mina and Holgate. And two kids we know nothing about at this level.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on June 26, 2020, 01:45:33 AM
That doesn't change the fact we have a poor record. Brands has been here 2 years. Still 2 years without a replacement striker. Only Gbamin came in to replace Gana (after we had sold Gana too). As already said, no center back to replace Zouma. Jags left as well which left us with an injury prone Mina, an unstable Keane and a young Holgate who everyone had written off. We've been fortunate with DCL and Holgate finally coming good, but even that took time this season.

I like Brands and trust him far more than what we've had in the past, but this is one area that still needs proving. Letting Keane go without a replacement wouldn't be a good idea imo. It would leave us with a currently injured Mina and Holgate. And two kids we know nothing about at this level.

Tra la la la la

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 ;D

I'm pretty sure if we sold Keane we'd have a plan in place is all I've been saying.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on June 26, 2020, 01:46:16 AM
Tra la la la la

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 ;D

I'm pretty sure if we sold Keane we'd have a plan in place is all I've been saying.

You would hope so.

But this is Everton...
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: sam of the south on June 26, 2020, 04:32:01 AM
You could argue a replacement was needed for Rom. There's having faith and then there's being left with a striker that scored less goals in 3 seasons than what Rom did in 1. I'm all for giving kids a chance but I don't think many would argue it was wrong to put DCL in that position. Although appreciate that Walsh was more responsible than Brands for this

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Brands explicitly said that he was putting his faith in the youth of DCL and Richarlison, and didnít want to take minutes away from their development.

Pretty bold to nail his colours to the mast, and Iím pleased we have those two plus Kean, rather than Tosun, Niasse, and somebody else who has hit their ceiling.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on June 26, 2020, 05:13:02 AM
I think Keane is really good
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on June 26, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
I think Keane is really good

burn him
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on June 27, 2020, 05:20:17 PM
I'll probably get crucified for this but I still think Tarkowski is the better CB and we did Burnley a favour.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blueToffee on July 02, 2020, 01:58:16 AM
Another very solid game under Ancelotti, don't know why we'd sell. Easily a squad player if that is your bar for entry. Proving to be good enough for the starting XI under Ancelotti though.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Jamokachi on July 02, 2020, 02:14:07 AM
Thought he was excellent tonight, probably MOTM.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GLewis on July 02, 2020, 02:41:16 AM
The range of the quality of his performances is massive.

Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Macca77 on July 02, 2020, 02:49:40 AM
Our best player right now
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on July 02, 2020, 02:50:53 AM
When he's in form he's a very good defender his issue with us is he seems to hit purple patches then go to shit
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on July 02, 2020, 02:56:17 AM
Quality again tonight
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blueToffee on July 02, 2020, 02:56:56 AM
The range of the quality of his performances is massive.



Been more consistent under Ancelotti though? At least I think he has. In part because he's asking him to do what comes more naturally to him.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GLewis on July 02, 2020, 02:57:03 AM
When he's in form he's a very good defender his issue with us is he seems to hit purple patches then go to shit

Situations make such a big difference

Very good today but then when faced 1v1 with Vardy at the end, it was like he wasnít there.

At least this run of form is a reminder that he can be a good player when we play a certain way
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 02, 2020, 03:07:41 AM
Tidy backs to the wall defender
Decent in the air
Get him out wide and you can drift past with general ease
Squad playaer at best

At the minute, its him or Mina alongside Holgate
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Macca77 on July 02, 2020, 03:09:20 AM
https://twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1278404964117864448
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2020, 03:11:03 AM
Situations make such a big difference

Very good today but then when faced 1v1 with Vardy at the end, it was like he wasnít there.

At least this run of form is a reminder that he can be a good player when we play a certain way

Yeah when vardy got him isolated I thought are we going to see the Michael Keane we know?

He can head and twat anything that comes near him in a low block, that's who he was at Burnley. He can step up fairly well and challenge long balls.

I personally would still sell if possible.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on July 02, 2020, 03:12:47 AM
https://twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1278404964117864448
Think us fans need to take note of this and realise moaning and getting on their back at the first stray pass might not be that productive?

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GLewis on July 02, 2020, 03:13:21 AM
Yeah when vardy got him isolated I thought are we going to see the Michael Keane we know?

He can head and twat anything that comes near him in a low block, that's who he was at Burnley. He can step up fairly well and challenge long balls.

I personally would still sell if possible.

Problem with only 3 cbs unless weíre v confident in a youngster then selling him unless v good offer is difficult.

Donít want to be spending money (or time) on two cbs
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blueToffee on July 02, 2020, 03:15:30 AM
Situations make such a big difference

Very good today but then when faced 1v1 with Vardy at the end, it was like he wasnít there.

At least this run of form is a reminder that he can be a good player when we play a certain way

I'd agree, I also think as we've seen in similar games if the game is tight or we have a slender lead Ancelotti doesn't mind creating a more congested box and defending in a way that invites a certain amount of pressure, crosses into the box, etc where Keane usually/hopefully does his best work.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 02, 2020, 03:27:23 AM
Thought he was excellent tonight, probably MOTM.

I concur. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on July 02, 2020, 03:37:15 AM
https://twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1278404964117864448

I sit in the park end.

Am I the bad guy?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2020, 03:40:57 AM
I sit in the park end.

Am I the bad guy?

I've known you a while now bud and we've been through many ups and many more downs together and I can confidently say...

Yes it's you, it's all you, it's always been you and it will always be you.

No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man, to be the sad man
Behind blue eyes
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Escla on July 02, 2020, 03:42:39 AM
I sit in the park end.

Am I the bad guy?
Thought he was excellent tonight, probably MOTM.

Nah, itís not just you, about two thousand others.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2020, 03:44:25 AM
Thing with Keane is that from the sounds of things - he's the player we should have been bringing on at the end when we were under the cosh.

If we're gonna be a team who can play against the good, the bad and the ugly - we need defenders who can be just as good playing against Brighton as they are playing like Brighton.

Especially as we have mist in midfield (and I don't mean the rapper, but I'd give him a game over Delph).
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on July 02, 2020, 03:48:33 AM
I sit in the park end.

Am I the bad guy?
I bet you think this song is about ya, donít ya, donít ya....


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on July 02, 2020, 04:13:04 AM
Been more consistent under Ancelotti though? At least I think he has. In part because he's asking him to do what comes more naturally to him.

We're well organised and well drilled, so he's looking better as a result of that.  He's a decent player who suffered under a shit manager and lost confidence.

Really pleased to see him returning to form and giving Ancelloti a selection headache.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on July 02, 2020, 04:15:34 AM
Situations make such a big difference

Very good today but then when faced 1v1 with Vardy at the end, it was like he wasnít there.

At least this run of form is a reminder that he can be a good player when we play a certain way

Most centre backs would struggle out wide one on one with Vardy though tbf.  Maybe not Holgate but being butchered in that situation by Vardy isn't a huge big deal imo. 
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bally on July 02, 2020, 04:28:31 AM
https://twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1278404964117864448
Fucking love their tweets ya know

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Jamokachi on July 02, 2020, 05:05:06 AM
Fucking love their tweets ya know

The socks tweet had Everton twitter up in arms. You love to see it.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Macca77 on July 02, 2020, 05:07:46 AM
The socks tweet had Everton twitter up in arms. You love to see it.

The amount of people who fell for that was amazing
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 02, 2020, 05:10:39 AM
Fucking love their tweets ya know

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Mouse on July 02, 2020, 05:14:29 AM
I sit in the park end.

Am I the bad guy?
Me too, must say I missed the bit where he's been brilliant in front of the Gwladys Street. I am getting old though and it is a long way off...

Glad to see him improving under Carlo, seems a genuine nice guy but I'm not convinced he's the future.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 02, 2020, 05:16:24 AM
Apparently the whole team loves him, and he's really good friends with Holgate off the pitch.  Could be some special stuff if he can keep this form going.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on July 02, 2020, 05:47:25 AM
The new Watson and Ratcliffe him and Holgate.

Well. Not quite that standard though.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Heisenberg on July 02, 2020, 06:39:56 AM
As much as Iv slagged him. I really really want him to come good. Really likeable guy. His issues have been mental errors so I think itís definitely doable. Heís fantastic in the air both ends of the pitch
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Shogun on July 02, 2020, 06:40:20 AM
Haircut looking well better these days as well
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GLewis on July 02, 2020, 01:32:13 PM
Most centre backs would struggle out wide one on one with Vardy though tbf.  Maybe not Holgate but being butchered in that situation by Vardy isn't a huge big deal imo. 

Most might lose out, yes.

Most shouldnít look like me trying to stop him.

Not detracting from what heís doing at the moment, but the issues he has havenít just gone away. More that weíre limiting the times he is exposed to those situations.

As said before Iím pleased that this should remind people that heís not useless
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: mikey_blue on July 02, 2020, 02:06:09 PM
I think our lines been sat a fair bit deeper than it normally would, which has limited strikers ability to get in behind, and played to his strengths of being able to clear crosses. Maybe another Carlo tactic as he can see the players strengths as well as shortcomings, but you canít deny Keane in some really good form and when heís confident, heís usually played well for us.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Confucius on July 02, 2020, 02:33:13 PM
Massive confidence player. Very low self esteem. Needs to believe in himself and he will be more consistent.

Sports psychologist will make him a very very good player.

Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
Bit worrying that to play to his strengths we need to be back on our own 18 yard line. You give even the lower teams in the league 90 mins of that and they're gonna create enough chances to score one.

I don't want to see us on the back foot, backs against the wall, last ditch, hanging on, dogs of war, brave little soldiers, lionheart defending.

I want to see us advanced up the pitch giving the other cunts a damn good thrashing and a jolly good seeing to, to boot!

Thanks Michael, you're a lovely lad but we're bringing in someone who can defend on the halfway line and win a foot race.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on July 02, 2020, 02:47:10 PM
Massive confidence player. Very low self esteem. Needs to believe in himself and he will be more consistent.

Sports psychologist will make him a very very good player.



A sports psychologist won't give him better pace over 20 yards or a turning circle smaller than that of an articulated lorry unfortunately.

Anything clipped over him or behind him and he's out the game.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on July 02, 2020, 07:09:53 PM
Nah, itís not just you, about two thousand others.

It's just him, who're you kidding.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Heisenberg on July 02, 2020, 08:54:22 PM
A sports psychologist won't give him better pace over 20 yards or a turning circle smaller than that of an articulated lorry unfortunately.

Anything clipped over him or behind him and he's out the game.

Loads of the best defenders over the years have been limited with pace to be fair
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Confucius on July 02, 2020, 09:30:48 PM
A sports psychologist won't give him better pace over 20 yards or a turning circle smaller than that of an articulated lorry unfortunately.

Anything clipped over him or behind him and he's out the game.

Agreed, will never be top tier. If he had pace,
Itís unlikely he would be playing for us.
Title: Michael Keane
Post by: dazfrancis on August 19, 2020, 07:10:00 PM
Koeman wants to bring Keane with him to Barcelona, yes Michael

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1296049160022523904

 lolol
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: dazfrancis on August 19, 2020, 07:11:16 PM
A proper "if you thought 2020 couldn't get any stranger..." moment
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on August 19, 2020, 07:15:16 PM
I like Keane a lot but fucking hell that's a mad link
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Brownie on August 19, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaattttt?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Macca77 on August 19, 2020, 07:21:59 PM
But ok, 80 millions...
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: velimski on August 19, 2020, 07:24:03 PM
Straight swap for Messi.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 19, 2020, 07:25:08 PM
Koeman's a joke isn't he?

It's probably not even true, but he's still a joke.

Does he want a short armed keeper, while he's at it? Maybe Klaasen would flourish at the Camp Nou.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: mikey_blue on August 19, 2020, 07:29:55 PM
Koeman's a joke isn't he?

It's probably not even true, but he's still a joke.

Does he want a short armed keeper, while he's at it? Maybe Klaasen would flourish at the Camp Nou.

Bolasie is the obvious replacement for Messi too.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toffee1 on August 19, 2020, 07:33:59 PM
If true, as mad as Jonathan Woodgate going to Real Madrid and even closer to home Tommy Gravesen.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 19, 2020, 07:37:52 PM
What is happening right now.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on August 19, 2020, 07:40:14 PM
Won't be anything in that.

Hope Koeman massively fails over there, ruins his reputation and his life spirals out of control.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on August 19, 2020, 07:43:28 PM
Won't be anything in that.

Hope Koeman massively fails over there, ruins his reputation and his life spirals out of control.
Nice!!

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: sam of the south on August 19, 2020, 07:45:06 PM
Nice!!

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 19, 2020, 07:48:09 PM
See that link before and assumed it is a wind up

Its got to be
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Free Agent on August 19, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
 :o

WTF...
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Shogun on August 19, 2020, 07:58:37 PM
Heíd get eaten alive there
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Robioto on August 19, 2020, 08:02:33 PM
Koeman wants to bring Keane with him to Barcelona, yes Michael

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1296049160022523904

 lolol

Lol, got to be bollocks.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on August 19, 2020, 08:06:07 PM
It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: bornblue88 on August 19, 2020, 08:09:55 PM
🥇 and the award goes to.... ĎMichael Keane to Barecelonaí for the most made up transfer link of the window!!!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Macca77 on August 19, 2020, 08:22:12 PM
Straight swap for Coutinho then?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 19, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Koeman wants to bring Keane with him to Barcelona, yes Michael

https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1296049160022523904

 lolol

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 19, 2020, 08:46:10 PM
I think Koeman will do well at Barca.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Robioto on August 19, 2020, 08:59:28 PM
I think Koeman will do well at Barca.


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To be honest I don't think any manager will meet the expectations. The club is a mess the moment. Suarez, Vidal, Busquets, Pique, Messi, Alba, Rakatic are all going to be another year older. Even Griezmann will be 30 next season, another failed big money transfer really on top of Coutinho, another big money transfer approaching 30 who has failed to meet the levels expected.

I know they will probably shift some of those older players but they will not be easy to replace and hot prospects like Fati, Firpo and Pedri are probably not ready to step up yet.

Then you have players like Lenglet, Semedo, Dembele, etc are arguably not good enough for the level Barcelona strive for.

I think Barcelona are in for a disappointing 5 years of rebuilding. They've dug themselves into a hole by failing to adequately replace the older players and introduce new younger players in the correct manor. That being said, building a new team and meeting the expectations after the team they've had the past 10-15 years is going to be extremely hard, it's not like to you could rotate out Messi, Xavi and Inestia to bed new players in when they are so good.

I think Barcelona post Messi (and obviously Iniesta, Xavi and co too) will be much like United post Ferguson, it will take years to rebuild and I think any manager will struggle.

Not really for the Everton forum, but me and my mates were talking about this earlier today so it's on my mind!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 19, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
To be honest I don't think any manager will meet the expectations. The club is a mess the moment. Suarez, Vidal, Busquets, Pique, Messi, Alba, Rakatic are all going to be another year older. Even Griezmann will be 30 next season, another failed big money transfer really on top of Coutinho, another big money transfer approaching 30 who has failed to meet the levels expected.

I know they will probably shift some of those older players but they will not be easy to replace and hot prospects like Fati, Firpo and Pedri are probably not ready to step up yet.

Then you have players like Lenglet, Semedo, Dembele, etc are arguably not good enough for the level Barcelona strive for.

I think Barcelona are in for a disappointing 5 years of rebuilding. They've dug themselves into a hole by failing to adequately replace the older players and introduce new younger players in the correct manor. That being said, building a new team and meeting the expectations after the team they've had the past 10-15 years is going to be extremely hard, it's not like to you could rotate out Messi, Xavi and Inestia to bed new players in when they are so good.

I think Barcelona post Messi (and obviously Iniesta, Xavi and co too) will be much like United post Ferguson, it will take years to rebuild and I think any manager will struggle.

Not really for the Everton forum, but me and my mates were talking about this earlier today so it's on my mind!

Madrid arenít really any better either so it wouldnít be a surprise if Barca won the league next season. In terms of a real rebuild and getting back to being 1 of the top 2 or 3 teams.... they fell away cos of crazy mismanagement at boardroom level and theyíve now appointed koeman with Xavi apparently next. Iím not remotely convinced theyíve learnt any lessons
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Cozzie on August 19, 2020, 09:52:51 PM
Won't be anything in that.

Hope Koeman massively fails over there, ruins his reputation and his life spirals out of control.

He'll just go on a golfing holiday.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 19, 2020, 10:21:42 PM
He'll just go on a golfing holiday.

And nob some African ladies of the night down Las Ramblas.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: toffee_scot on August 21, 2020, 06:29:08 AM
Sounds mad but this is the club that signed most recently the likes of Martin Braithwaite and got Kevin Prince Boateng on loan a year ago.

I take it Barcelona are not interested in exercising the buy back clause for Yerry Mina.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 21, 2020, 11:59:56 AM
And nob some African ladies of the night down Las Ramblas.

If he could ask for my phone back, that'd be ace 🙄
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Free Agent on August 21, 2020, 06:17:17 PM
If he could ask for my phone back, that'd be ace 🙄

He said, ďyeah, but ok.Ē
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 22, 2020, 01:03:10 AM
He said, ďyeah, but ok.Ē

That's what my wife-to-be said when I tried to explain 😬
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on August 22, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
Apparently Paul Joyce reckons he's getting a new contract I have no issue with that but I rate the lad
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 22, 2020, 08:01:55 PM
Apparently Paul Joyce reckons he's getting a new contract I have no issue with that but I rate the lad
Good decision, we have stopped looking for a CB this window with the two CMs talk i believe.

Protect his value by extending his deal, if we need to move him on in the future no issues then.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2020, 08:19:10 PM
Poor I think.

Needs to be up to speed to do what he does well, and you'd think the opportunities to do that shouldn't be coming that regularly with a better side. Everything else he does badly.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 22, 2020, 08:20:15 PM
Sell, sell, sell.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2020, 08:25:13 PM
We're looking for an athletic ball playing defender who can pass between the lines, go long over the top and cover the space behind him well to play on the left side.

Ok but hear me out what about the opposite of that
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on August 22, 2020, 08:38:04 PM
Nah, good decision to offer him a new deal.

Protects his value and offers stability to the backline.

He was very good in the later part of the season, hopefully he can carry on that form. If he doesnt we have two very good centre halves to play instead of him anyway.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TSGun on August 22, 2020, 08:48:39 PM
Despite certain limitations he comes across as professional, up to EPL standard and has scope for some improvement.

Can't be a bad decision.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on August 22, 2020, 08:59:54 PM
We're looking for an athletic ball playing defender who can pass between the lines, go long over the top and cover the space behind him well to play on the left side.

Ok but hear me out what about the opposite of that

We can be looking for that type of defender and still play Keane, he's good some very good qualities
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2020, 09:06:19 PM
We can be looking for that type of defender and still play Keane, he's good some very good qualities

I think he's absolutely pony to be honest with you.

Very good for a low low low block side if he's playing regularly.

Horrible type of centre back, should have been shifted.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GLewis on August 22, 2020, 09:08:21 PM
Sell, sell, sell.

To who? :)
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 22, 2020, 09:08:39 PM
Iím pretty open to selling all of them. Think you have to be willing to let people go if we feel we can do better with the money.
However people saying sell. We havenít had an offer so at what price? Heís not ideal but he was very good towards the end of the season. It looks like weíve missed out on the Brazilian guy (who was relatively cheap) not really interested in selling Keane for 15 and ending up with zouma for 25 or 30. I donít really see us getting an offer at the moment where it would be worth us selling
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 22, 2020, 09:09:11 PM
To who? :)

And for how much
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 22, 2020, 09:15:35 PM
To who? :)

Anyone who wants an English low block defender who can head balls away all day, but has the turning circle of an ocean liner.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 22, 2020, 09:24:06 PM
Anyone who wants an English low block defender who can head balls away all day, but has the turning circle of an ocean liner.

Price? Surely thereís a figure youíd want him sold at and a figure youíd want rejected?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 22, 2020, 09:26:54 PM
Price? Surely thereís a figure youíd want him sold at and a figure youíd want rejected?

I don't believe there aren't any lower/middle Prem clubs that wouldn't take Keane for £10-20m, or somewhere in that ballpark.

I just think is he going to be part of the future that you want to build around? Is he a player with the skillet needed to move us forward? If the answer to both is 'no' and he's got two years left, get him shifted.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on August 22, 2020, 09:30:34 PM
I think he's absolutely pony to be honest with you.

Very good for a low low low block side if he's playing regularly.

Horrible type of centre back, should have been shifted.

Fair enough I'm not here to change your opinion 
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on August 22, 2020, 09:30:35 PM
Itís hard enough shifting fellas weíre giving away at the moment, never mind someone that will demand a decent fee.

Great saying get rid but itís not that easy.

Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on August 22, 2020, 09:31:40 PM
I don't believe there aren't any lower/middle Prem clubs that wouldn't take Keane for £10-20m, or somewhere in that ballpark.

I just think is he going to be part of the future that you want to build around? Is he a player with the skillet needed to move us forward? If the answer to both is 'no' and he's got two years left, get him shifted.
Think he's clumsy, turns like the titanic and isn't that great with the ball. Midfield is still a priority over him, but he needs moving on

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 22, 2020, 09:36:23 PM
I think he's absolutely pony to be honest with you.

Very good for a low low low block side if he's playing regularly.

Horrible type of centre back, should have been shifted.
Maybe nobody wants him? Plus maybe after not landing Gabriel we arent after anyone else in that position.

Signing him on a longer deal protects his value which is what a smart club does.

You always want us to be smarter mate, accept this for what it is.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 22, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
I don't believe there aren't any lower/middle Prem clubs that wouldn't take Keane for £10-20m, or somewhere in that ballpark.

I just think is he going to be part of the future that you want to build around? Is he a player with the skillet needed to move us forward? If the answer to both is 'no' and he's got two years left, get him shifted.

Surely 10m would be a crazily low price. He was really good towards the end of the season. Can see the argument if we are getting our money back but we couldnít get much of anything if we sold him at 10
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Waltzer on August 22, 2020, 09:39:50 PM
Maybe nobody wants him? Plus maybe after not landing Gabriel we arent after anyone else in that position.

Signing him on a longer deal protects his value which is what a smart club does.

You always want us to be smarter mate, accept this for what it is.
If 'maybe nobody wants him' what value is there to protect?

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 22, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
Surely 10m would be a crazily low price. He was really good towards the end of the season. Can see the argument if we are getting our money back but we couldnít get much of anything if we sold him at 10

We're going nowhere with him in the team. He's a backs to the wall defender. Reason he defended well at the end of the season is because we couldn't put two passes together and spent most of every game defending on the edge of our box.

I said £10-20m. Not £10m. Anywhere near to what we paid great, but his contract is running down and he's not very good.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 22, 2020, 09:48:45 PM
To who? :)

BarÁelona, duh.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 22, 2020, 09:52:02 PM
We're going nowhere with him in the team. He's a backs to the wall defender. Reason he defended well at the end of the season is because we couldn't put two passes together and spent most of every game defending on the edge of our box.

I said £10-20m. Not £10m. Anywhere near to what we paid great, but his contract is running down and he's not very good.

Exactly. Just because he's effective in one very specific situation doesn't mean he's a good fit for a team which presumably doesn't want to play like that. He's a massive liability if he's anywhere near the middle of the park and god help us if our opponent has pacy forwards who'll get behind him.

Good teams don't mold their style to fit one player's strengths.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 22, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
Good job our board arenít as irrational and petulant as some of you lot .

Caveat: I donít rate Keane, particularly (before the bigger boys pile in).

Business before emotion.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GLewis on August 22, 2020, 10:49:55 PM
I don't believe there aren't any lower/middle Prem clubs that wouldn't take Keane for £10-20m, or somewhere in that ballpark.

I just think is he going to be part of the future that you want to build around? Is he a player with the skillet needed to move us forward? If the answer to both is 'no' and he's got two years left, get him shifted.

Got to be a willing buyer though.

We can still sell him next year but with his value more protected than if he didnít have a longer deal.

(I agree with the technical analysis btw)
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2020, 12:42:07 AM
Classic Everton fans really, heís shit so letís sell him for £20m
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on August 23, 2020, 12:50:57 AM
He's got some good qualities he's good on the ball his positioning tends to be good and he's strong in the air for his height. I don't think he's an issue
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 23, 2020, 01:16:09 AM
Classic Everton fans really, he’s shit so let’s sell him for £20m

Missing a lot of nuance there (unusually for you).

I think people are saying that he's a low block defender who is useful in a backs to the wall kind of defence (ie Burnley), but if you're aspiring to be nearer to the top of the league, defend on the front foot, push up the pitch, leave space behind you, then he's not remotely suited to that.

Given his age, being English, being around the national team, and the need that some teams in the lower half have for that kind of defender, it wouldn't seem unreasonable for us to be able to recoup around £15m for him.

See. A bit of nuance.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: stirlingblue on August 23, 2020, 03:38:46 AM
Missing a lot of nuance there (unusually for you).

I think people are saying that he's a low block defender who is useful in a backs to the wall kind of defence (ie Burnley), but if you're aspiring to be nearer to the top of the league, defend on the front foot, push up the pitch, leave space behind you, then he's not remotely suited to that.

Given his age, being English, being around the national team, and the need that some teams in the lower half have for that kind of defender, it wouldn't seem unreasonable for us to be able to recoup around £15m for him.

See. A bit of nuance.

Hands up, I was being a bit facetious there.

That being said, Iím not all that sure there are many sides in the league whoíll be playing a low block this season. I guess back to Burnley is an option but I donít think theyíre in need of a CB.

Other than that, Iíd say only Palace and maybe West Brom will go for a deep defence
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 23, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
Not a massive Keane fan but I think heíd get games at the majority of premier league clubs. Think weíd be entitled to want 20m plus to let him go.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Lxxx on August 23, 2020, 06:52:00 PM
Not a massive Keane fan but I think heíd get games at the majority of premier league clubs. Think weíd be entitled to want 20m plus to let him go.

I would have maybe agreed with you 6 months ago but we're in a different climate now. You can probably shave at least 25% off most normal valuations in today's market.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Undisputed_blue on August 26, 2020, 04:19:48 AM
Congratulations to Keane's England call up.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Trowel on August 26, 2020, 04:24:43 AM
Congratulations to Keane's England call up.
Radio 5 dedicated 10 mins last night talking about possible England replacements for Maguire, and Keane's name wasn't mentioned once.

Stones, Mings, Cody, Tarkowski, and others - not one mention of a player who's in form and actually in the squad!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Undisputed_blue on August 26, 2020, 04:29:51 AM
Radio 5 dedicated 10 mins last night talking about possible England replacements for Maguire, and Keane's name wasn't mentioned once.

Stones, Mings, Cody, Tarkowski, and others - not one mention of a player who's in form and actually in the squad!

Much appreciated your negativity on the subject of Michael Keane. Let's ignore his hard work and progression over the last few months, hey!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 26, 2020, 04:31:38 AM
Radio 5 dedicated 10 mins last night talking about possible England replacements for Maguire, and Keane's name wasn't mentioned once.

Stones, Mings, Cody, Tarkowski, and others - not one mention of a player who's in form and actually in the squad!

Everton that.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 26, 2020, 04:46:22 AM
Much appreciated your negativity on the subject of Michael Keane. Let's ignore his hard work and progression over the last few months, hey!

Pretty sure you didn't understand what he wrote.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Undisputed_blue on August 26, 2020, 05:58:42 PM
Pretty sure you didn't understand what he wrote.

Well his post wasn't well articulated and can be construed in a number of ways. Just to mention the Radio 4 broadcast was negativity in itself.

Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Trowel on August 26, 2020, 06:13:40 PM
Ok...
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Escla on August 26, 2020, 06:14:09 PM
Well his post wasn't well articulated and can be construed in a number of ways. Just to mention the Radio 4 broadcast was negativity in itself.

Disagree and I should not have liked your post, reading his again I get what he meant and was not at all meant negatively.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Undisputed_blue on August 26, 2020, 06:17:45 PM
Disagree and I should not have liked your post, reading his again I get what he meant and was not at all meant negatively.

Fair enough. Your choice and is all about perspective.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 26, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
Fair enough. Your choice and is all about perspective.

It's not fucking perspective. It's you not being able to read. Just say my bad and move along.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Undisputed_blue on August 26, 2020, 06:51:42 PM
It's not fucking perspective. It's you not being able to read. Just say my bad and move along.

It is for me. Especially when taking in context on my post congratulating Michael Keane's England call up.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 30, 2020, 12:19:10 PM
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-everton-first-teamer-agrees-terms-of-bumper-new-deal/
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2020, 12:32:06 PM
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-everton-first-teamer-agrees-terms-of-bumper-new-deal/

Pleased for the lad.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on August 30, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
Pleased for the lad.

Same, seems like a good lad and has faced up to his mental health struggles, been open about them and can hopefully kick on now.

I know he's a bit of a whipping boy on here, but I think he comes across as a very likeable guy who genuinely wants to succeed here.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2020, 03:31:38 PM
Same, seems like a good lad and has faced up to his mental health struggles, been open about them and can hopefully kick on now.

I know he's a bit of a whipping boy on here, but I think he comes across as a very likeable guy who genuinely wants to succeed here.


More to the point I see a better player in there than many. I think he's going to be very good for us this season
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on August 30, 2020, 03:33:34 PM
There's a reason people only sing when they're winning.

Hopefully by signing a midfield who will protect the defence, Keane and Co will not spend games feeling like they are just staring down the barrel of a loaded gun.

More settled performances expected next season and rise in Keane's profile predicted.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Trowel on August 30, 2020, 03:33:38 PM
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-everton-first-teamer-agrees-terms-of-bumper-new-deal/
THIS IS FANTASTIC NEWS ABOUT A FANTASTIC PLAYER. I AM HAPPY WITH THIS.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2020, 09:12:04 PM
5 year deal confirmed
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 30, 2020, 09:21:33 PM
5 year deal confirmed

Confirmed, or rumored? Couldn't tell from the sportswitness piece.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 30, 2020, 09:22:09 PM
Makes sense. Protects his value, plus he was our best defender through the last 9 games. Hopefully he takes his form into next season.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 30, 2020, 09:23:37 PM
Confirmed, or rumored? Couldn't tell from the sportswitness piece.

Itís confirmed
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 30, 2020, 09:25:16 PM
Itís confirmed

Thanks KNT. I like to be accurate when I break news to my mate here, lol.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 30, 2020, 09:29:59 PM
I dont hate this. He looked boss with Zouma and letís be honest thereís so many atrocious CBs in the PL and itís just that we tend to highlight the negative points of our own players a lot more, so having this lad as a squad member is sound as it gets when you think about it.

The neighbours kept Loveren around for ages and handed him new contracts etc. He was a proper lemon.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: pjk on August 30, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
I'm not sure about this. He did have a few mom performances last season. Ancelloti must rate him.🙂

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1795249/defender-keane-signs-new-five-year-everton-contract
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 30, 2020, 09:43:26 PM
Would've sold him (if there were takers), but at least his value has been protected. Not convinced we can play high up the pitch with him in the team.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on August 30, 2020, 09:45:22 PM
Would've sold him (if there were takers), but at least his value has been protected. Not convinced we can play high up the pitch with him in the team.

Or play out from the back. He & Pickford are a disaster waiting to happen every time they try.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on August 30, 2020, 09:51:06 PM
Or play out from the back. He & Pickford are a disaster waiting to happen every time they try.

I think he picks out some nice, sharp forward passes into feet when he has the game in front of him and when he has time and space.

When he's receiving the ball facing the keeper, with opposition forwards on his shoulder, pressing him, and when he's being asked to play one touch passes out to the full backs/keeper/other CB, he's horrible and a disaster waiting to happen.

Teams seem to be pressing the fuck out of us (even Blackpool), so it's obviously common knowledge that you have to press us high up, and you get mistakes, and I do worry that he can't really manage in those situations.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on August 30, 2020, 09:53:36 PM
Nah, Keane is good on the ball.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Escla on September 01, 2020, 02:36:53 AM
I'm not sure about this. He did have a few mom performances last season. Ancelloti must rate him.🙂

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1795249/defender-keane-signs-new-five-year-everton-contract

If Ancelotti rates him whatís to question ?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 01, 2020, 03:21:43 AM
This is good. We're going to have to work with most of the people that are already at the club and he's relatively young and an international.
Replacing players isn't always the answer.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 01, 2020, 03:22:54 AM
Or play out from the back. He & Pickford are a disaster waiting to happen every time they try.
Along with about 90% of the league to be fair.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 01, 2020, 03:29:05 AM
Along with about 90% of the league to be fair.

I can't think of too many actually good teams who don't play out of the back. I could be missing them, of course, but none of the top sides in the Prem do, and it's a given the top sides on the continent do. We don't want to be Sheff Utd, right?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on October 02, 2020, 12:47:50 AM
Just giving this a little bump as think he's been fantastic since the start of the season (and post lockdown too).  Probably at fault for the Palace goal but otherwise has been an absolute rock.

Not only has he looked solid but he looks like a leader at the back too... Really delighted he's becoming a success story here after a difficult period.

Also clearly been learning a few tricks from James on the training ground it seems with that turn and chipped pass for DCL's first last night!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 02, 2020, 04:56:03 AM
Seems to chip in goals since lockdown.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: kramer0 on October 02, 2020, 07:22:59 AM
Seems like heís on the same wavelength with DCL. Heís played a few nice balls in behind the defense for Dom to run onto this season.

Heís always been a low-key good passer and itís nice to see him finally use that ability to help us transition quickly into attack.

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: MexicanToffee on October 02, 2020, 09:27:12 AM
Someone said or commented before, I canít remember who, but they said Keane is a confidence player. Well he seems full of it at present and long may it last. Looks calm on the ball and confident beneath it. Long may it last.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 02, 2020, 12:56:48 PM
I've said elsewhere but he looks to have benefited from a lack of fans and the pressure that can bring.

I have to hold my hands up I thought he would be a liability this season but so far so good. Maybe the extra protection helps so far.

Do wonder about how he will cope up against pace but if we have this Godfrey chap or holgate at his side that should be ok
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 02, 2020, 08:43:59 PM
I've said elsewhere but he looks to have benefited from a lack of fans and the pressure that can bring.

I have to hold my hands up I thought he would be a liability this season but so far so good. Maybe the extra protection helps so far.

Do wonder about how he will cope up against pace but if we have this Godfrey chap or holgate at his side that should be ok

Perhaps, but Michael Keane had attributed his newly found form to Ancelotti.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 02, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
Perhaps, but Michael Keane had attributed his newly found form to Ancelotti.

Well he is hardly gonna say 'you know what's helped? Not having them fuckers in the stands shouting bollocks at me!'
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 02, 2020, 10:51:34 PM
Well he is hardly gonna say 'you know what's helped? Not having them fuckers in the stands shouting bollocks at me!'

That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 02, 2020, 10:55:40 PM
Didnt he say during lockdown he worked on his footwork and shape in recieving the ball or something.

Hes been great since then.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on October 03, 2020, 12:27:29 AM
Yeah some of this stuff is true but generally I just think he's always been a good defender and in a solid team he looks great.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 03, 2020, 01:28:24 AM
Didnt he say during lockdown he worked on his footwork and shape in recieving the ball or something.

Hes been great since then.

I don't know if he said it, but ToffeeTV said he's been specifically working on turning quickly to not get caught out, as well as his footwork during training. Certainly would appear so!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 03, 2020, 01:46:53 AM
Yeah some of this stuff is true but generally I just think he's always been a good defender and in a solid team he looks great.

Good point.  He really is "team around him dependent."  I think the same reasoning applies to Gomes.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: MexicanToffee on October 03, 2020, 02:39:26 AM
Good point.  He really is "team around him dependent."  I think the same reasoning applies to Gomes.
Perhaps also to Gylfi
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blueToffee on October 17, 2020, 09:54:29 PM
Quietly going about his business of late. Another solid game.

Have opinions evolved on him at all?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Macca77 on October 17, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
Loved the way he dragged Gomes away when him and Henderson got their handbag's out
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 09:57:19 PM
Quietly going about his business of late. Have opinions evolved on him at all?

Mine have, gladly.

Wanted him gone, and thankfully I have no voice in the boardroom.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Escla on October 17, 2020, 09:58:14 PM
That would be awesome.
Oh it happens/has happened.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Fynci on October 17, 2020, 09:59:59 PM
Never been a big detractor to be honest, but I have been super impressed with him this season. He'd be standing out a lot more if his thoughtless teammates weren't also playing amazing.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: 74Blue on October 17, 2020, 10:03:43 PM
He's been pretty solid so far and is starting to show the form that led us to pay good money to secure his services from Burnley. Made up that he's finally found that bit of form and is starting to prove that there is a decent enough player in there. If he keeps chipping in with the occasional headed goal from set pieces too, then it's all good. If him and Mina can get into double figures between them, which is not beyond the realms of possibility, it takes a lot of.pressure off.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on October 17, 2020, 10:50:09 PM
Been great since the footy resumed post lockdown, always liked him and delighted he's starting to turn people's opinions round... Seems like a proper good guy and consummate pro, so long may he continue to flourish!
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toffee1 on October 17, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
Been great since the footy resumed post lockdown, always liked him and delighted he's starting to turn people's opinions round... Seems like a proper good guy and consummate pro, so long may he continue to flourish!

His passing is very good as well.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Confucius on October 17, 2020, 10:51:57 PM
Our best defender currently. Just doesnít make mistakes. Passing is unbelievable and scoring very important goals.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 10:56:39 PM
Our best defender currently. Just doesnít make mistakes. Passing is unbelievable and scoring very important goals.

I'm still blown away in that he had 4 goals TOTAL since he joined the club in 2017, and now has 3 in 10 all comps this season.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toffee1 on October 17, 2020, 10:57:55 PM
Popping up with important goals much like a certain Derek Mountfield did.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheTone on October 17, 2020, 11:02:28 PM
I dunno, I'm of the opinion that we're 2 centre half's and a goalie away from being very decent indeed
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on October 17, 2020, 11:02:52 PM
He has more goals than our midfield this season I think lol
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: BlueForYou on October 17, 2020, 11:12:27 PM
If Coleman's out, probably Keane for the captain's armband
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 17, 2020, 11:13:02 PM
One of our best players so far this season.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 17, 2020, 11:21:23 PM
If Coleman's out, probably Keane for the captain's armband

Or just Digne  ::)
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toffee1 on October 17, 2020, 11:22:38 PM
I dunno, I'm of the opinion that we're 2 centre half's and a goalie away from being very decent indeed

Holgate's still to comeback and his pace and passing will help the team and Godfrey, looks like a confident player who does not hide and will add to the team as well.

Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: cantoffee on October 17, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
Ways thought Mina would be the one to score goals for us on set pieces but this lad is on fire.

Hardly put a foot wrong all season. Made up for him and us.

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 18, 2020, 01:51:44 AM
Keane's gonna have more goals than VVD this year, I'll tell you that much.
Title: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on October 18, 2020, 02:02:13 AM
Keane's gonna have more goals than VVD this year, I'll tell you that much.
Especially since Pickfords put him out for the season

I wrote that before I found out Virgils out for months.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 18, 2020, 02:22:51 AM
Especially since Pickfords put him out for the season


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on October 18, 2020, 02:25:43 AM
Glad you got the joke there, bub. haha
I didnít. Read my edit


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Silas on October 18, 2020, 04:14:37 AM
He's our best defender
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 18, 2020, 04:44:57 AM
I genuinely think heís been one of the best and most consistent defenders in the entire league - since the PL was restated last season.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on October 18, 2020, 04:57:08 AM
Heís become our new Jags.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Confucius on October 18, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
Heís become our new Jags.


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Nothing like Jags. Keane is a goal threat and can really pass the ball. Has a higher ceiling than Jags. Maybe not at that level yet but ceiling is much higher.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 18, 2020, 01:20:06 PM
Nothing like Jags. Keane is a goal threat and can really pass the ball. Has a higher ceiling than Jags. Maybe not at that level yet but ceiling is much higher.
Plus Jags was rapid, according to the Prem speedometer.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 18, 2020, 01:43:49 PM
I'm made up for him.

Mainly because my "future Everton and England captain" shouts during his first dip in form was looking less sane the longer that dip lasted haha.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on October 18, 2020, 03:28:57 PM
Nothing like Jags. Keane is a goal threat and can really pass the ball. Has a higher ceiling than Jags. Maybe not at that level yet but ceiling is much higher.
In terms of slow start to defensive mainstay heís our new Jags.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 18, 2020, 03:32:20 PM
Heís been brilliant since last seasons restart. Easily our best defender and scoring goals too. Starting to look like an extremely good player
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Bluedylan on October 18, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Defo benefitted from lack of fans (imo).
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: 74Blue on October 18, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
Defo benefitted from lack of fans (imo).
Must be like being back at Burnley for him at the moment.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Trowel on October 18, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
His passing is very good as well.
He didn't get much credit for the ball he slotted through two Liverpool players to Rodriguez in the build up to DCL's goal.

Was a perfect example of the 'breaking the lines' mentality Ancelloti has instilled.

https://twitter.com/FastGoal5/status/1317453788685438976
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Jamokachi on October 18, 2020, 06:51:01 PM
Great commentary there haha.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Gary1878 on October 18, 2020, 07:43:11 PM
Definitely the best defender we have at the club, and has probably helped Holgate become the player he has as well.

He has cut all of the mistakes out of his game, and has so much more confidence on the ball. Proper player now.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: blargins on October 18, 2020, 09:14:35 PM
He played well the second half of the season when he was alongside Zouma so heís always had it in him. Good to see him grow and justify that big price tag.


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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 18, 2020, 09:49:35 PM
He didn't get much credit for the ball he slotted through two Liverpool players to Rodriguez in the build up to DCL's goal.

Was a perfect example of the 'breaking the lines' mentality Ancelloti has instilled.

https://twitter.com/FastGoal5/status/1317453788685438976
Great spot! Its at least as good as James pass to Digne if not better because its gone through a couple of players. Add that too his goals and that pass to DCL and some crucial tackles and blocks and hes gonna have one hell of a highlight real if he keeps this up for the season
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: ajax_andy on October 18, 2020, 11:36:18 PM
He didn't get much credit for the ball he slotted through two Liverpool players to Rodriguez in the build up to DCL's goal.

Was a perfect example of the 'breaking the lines' mentality Ancelloti has instilled.

https://twitter.com/FastGoal5/status/1317453788685438976

There was a lofted side foot first time 50 yard pass out to the right too that was absolutely fantastic.  He seems a lot braver on the ball this season and has pulled off a few outrageous passes.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2020, 04:44:10 PM
In the top 3 for most passes made in the PL this season

Top temperament for captain

Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: TheRam on October 27, 2020, 04:48:28 PM
He played an unbelievable ball to Iwobi in the first half that was just a tad over-hit, but it was sublime.

It's a regular occurrence now. He's always been a great passer of the ball.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: kerryblue boy on October 27, 2020, 04:53:39 PM
He played an unbelievable ball to Iwobi in the first half that was just a tad over-hit, but it was sublime.

It's a regular occurrence now. He's always been a great passer of the ball.
If iwobi hadnít checked his run it was on the money should be captain with Seamie missing
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: cantoffee on October 27, 2020, 07:55:20 PM
If iwobi hadn't checked his run it was on the money should be captain with Seamie missing
Yea if Iwobi got moving when the ball was about to be hit it would have been easy to catch up to.

Keane is great, looks like a top class CB so far this year.

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Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: stirlingblue on November 25, 2020, 06:12:42 PM
Just saw that he has the most completed passes in all of the league so far this season.

Maybe someone with a better football brain than me can tell me whether that means anything?
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: sam of the south on November 25, 2020, 06:30:40 PM
Just saw that he has the most completed passes in all of the league so far this season.

Maybe someone with a better football brain than me can tell me whether that means anything?

It just means for four games there was no out-ball in midfield (Sigurdsson  ;))
so our CBís just played it back and forth between themselves and Allan.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 25, 2020, 06:43:50 PM
Just saw that he has the most completed passes in all of the league so far this season.

Maybe someone with a better football brain than me can tell me whether that means anything?

Wouldn't put a ton of stock in that. He's played every single minute for us, we play out from the back, and he's the guy Pickford starts with 99% of the time because he's better with the ball at his feet than Mina is.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2020, 06:56:47 PM
Would say it's a reflection of how we're setting up and looking to build up from the back and pass out of pressure.

His success at it is testimony to the good year he's having. Carlo must be asking him to step out with the ball and progress it into midfield which I think it looks like he is doing well? He is switching the ball well, and playing lots of short accurate passes between the other defenders and whoever drops in.

Total accurate passing below from theother14 on twitter.

Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: Toddacelli on November 25, 2020, 07:52:30 PM
For the 'eye test' and 'gut test' (I don't bother with a 'brain test' but 'gut test' is a really big one!) I feel like he's dipped a bit lately.

I would expect that more of his numbers cam in earlier games and he may have struggled to keep the same ratio as earlier in the season.

Having said that - we've not had Richy as an outlet, Sigurdsson the ball-phobic has been getting minutes and we have played quite badly as a team at times - which are all bound to affect this particular individual metric.

I hope he picks up again soon before it becomes a real slump and a confidence thing for him again.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 25, 2020, 08:30:54 PM
For the 'eye test' and 'gut test' (I don't bother with a 'brain test' but 'gut test' is a really big one!) I feel like he's dipped a bit lately.

I would expect that more of his numbers cam in earlier games and he may have struggled to keep the same ratio as earlier in the season.

Having said that - we've not had Richy as an outlet, Sigurdsson the ball-phobic has been getting minutes and we have played quite badly as a team at times - which are all bound to affect this particular individual metric.

I hope he picks up again soon before it becomes a real slump and a confidence thing for him again.

Wholeheartedly agree. I think he's been borderline poor our past 3 games.
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: formerKHL on November 25, 2020, 08:37:54 PM
for me this is a prime example of stats misleading....

my "eye test" is watching the ball go square and backwards then back square the other way then backwards again.....and repeat....no wonder the accuracy level is high....

on sunday at one point i counted 18 passes and we never crossed the half way line!! when we did we passed twice and the third time it got intercepted and we lost possession.....
Title: Re: Michael Keane
Post by: cantoffee on November 25, 2020, 11:03:16 PM
His passing has been very good. Obviously going to be a lot of sideways and short passes into Allan/Doucoure but he has been good at putting the ball into the feet of Richy, James, and DCL on occasion splitting right through the midfield.

Certainly seems to do it as often as our other CMs which is not a great sign.

Think he has been good this year but with the goals we are conceding I wonder if he is a weak spot or not. Nothing has stood out to me from him in terms of mistakes consistently and my feeling is that our setup is allowing teams to get at us more than they should. However, not against going to the Mina/Holgate combo as I thought it was our best last year.

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