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Title: Yerry Mina
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 14, 2020, 02:47:55 PM
Do you know what I loved yesterday?

When everyone was allowing Harry Kane to just push them about whilst our player was on the floor. Yerry just came over on the bounce and started having a go at Kane.

Boss to see.  Hopefully he kicks on this season. He's a very likeable character.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: mikey_blue on September 14, 2020, 03:02:26 PM
Do you know what I loved yesterday?

When everyone was allowing Harry Kane to just push them about whilst our player was on the floor. Yerry just came over on the bounce and started having a go at Kane.

Boss to see.  Hopefully he kicks on this season. He's a very likeable character.

Got a lot of time for Yerry. His fitness has been a real issue, but he was our best CB by some distance at the start of last season, so hopefully he can catch a break from the injuries and he kick people in to touch and dance
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: dazfrancis on September 14, 2020, 03:28:49 PM
Do you know what I loved yesterday?

When everyone was allowing Harry Kane to just push them about whilst our player was on the floor. Yerry just came over on the bounce and started having a go at Kane.

Boss to see.  Hopefully he kicks on this season. He's a very likeable character.

Less going over to console a player who broke your team mates leg and more of the above from Yerry please
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on September 14, 2020, 05:01:47 PM
He a tower of power. Like a magnet for dangerous balls around the box.

Does get dragged out a bit because of that, and I'm not sure I'd fancy him over 60 yards but in shirt bursts he can cover ground and he hardly ever loses a duel.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on September 14, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
To be honest i was shitting it that he'd get sent off and we'd lose the fucker.

I love him, but I hope he can avoid bookings and sendings off this season.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toffee1 on September 14, 2020, 05:06:31 PM
He a tower of power. Like a magnet for dangerous balls around the box.

Does get dragged out a bit because of that, and I'm not sure I'd fancy him over 60 yards but in shirt bursts he can cover ground and he hardly ever loses a duel.

Although they played well yesterday, still prefer to have a combination of Holgate with one of Keane and/or Mina. Holgate's pace, combined with the covering back of Lucas and Seamus, combined now with Allan and Dacoure, makes us look better placed to deal with opposition attacks.

Our overall defensive shape yesterday was also very pleasing to see, considering it was the first competitive game they had played together.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 14, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
Comments from Mourinho suggesting he was targeted as the most dangerous player in our set-pieces.

In the same way James has made us have 2 equally dangerous players in attacking-play so they can't just double-up on Richarlison. Having Mina and DCL in the box for set pieces does more than double the odds of grabbing a shot-on-goal.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 14, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
One of you mods merge these suckers.

https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=96197.0

🙂
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 14, 2020, 07:33:00 PM
One of you mods merge these suckers.

https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=96197.0

🙂

I personally think its daft that we keep using the same aged thread for each player. Then something new is posted and you have to go through 5 pages before you get to the up to date part.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 14, 2020, 07:37:41 PM
I personally think its daft that we keep using the same aged thread for each player. Then something new is posted and you have to go through 5 pages before you get to the up to date part.

Click the ďnewĒ next to the thread  :whistle:
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 14, 2020, 07:45:15 PM
Click the ďnewĒ next to the thread  :whistle:

That takes you to the unread, not latest.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 14, 2020, 08:05:14 PM
That takes you to the unread, not latest.

Look I don't care. It's just been done this way before.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blargins on September 14, 2020, 08:54:33 PM
That takes you to the unread, not latest.

Which makes sense.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 14, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
Which makes sense.

Yeah, if I can't be arsed to go back 2 months/27 pages (looking at you, coronavirus thread), I just click the last page and start from there lol.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blargins on September 14, 2020, 08:59:19 PM
Yeah, if I can't be arsed to go back 2 months/27 pages (looking at you, coronavirus thread), I just click the last page and start from there lol.

Well, yeah, you use it in context. I'm on the mobile app most of the time and I have that set up so when I click on a thread with new posts, it automatically takes me to the latest.

I never clicked on the New on the desktop version before. Glad I can start using that as well now. Learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 14, 2020, 09:00:19 PM
Well, yeah, you use it in context. I'm on the mobile app most of the time and I have that set up so when I click on a thread with new posts, it automatically takes me to the latest.

I never clicked on the New on the desktop version before. Glad I can start using that as well now. Learn something new every day.

I'll always be here for you.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blargins on September 14, 2020, 09:01:01 PM
I'll always be here for you.

Thanks chief.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: TheRam on September 14, 2020, 09:04:38 PM
Think we're all sleeping on just how good this fella is.

One of the best CB's in the league for beating the press. Little shimmy and he's away.

Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: bigmanbob on September 14, 2020, 09:21:31 PM
He needs a consistent run of games without an injury, I think he'll come on loads with that. He also needs someone quick next to him as he's dog slow on the turn
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 14, 2020, 09:45:54 PM
He needs a consistent run of games without an injury, I think he'll come on loads with that. He also needs someone quick next to him as he's dog slow on the turn

That's why being paired with Holgate is such a good combo.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 15, 2020, 12:27:04 AM
Think we're all sleeping on just how good this fella is.

One of the best CB's in the league for beating the press. Little shimmy and he's away.



You gonna be holding the torch for this fella in the same way you've had to for Yobo?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 15, 2020, 12:43:19 AM
Now he's got protection he may settle better and be less harried and error prone, same as Keane.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: ally2 on September 15, 2020, 02:00:42 AM
You gonna be holding the torch for this fella in the same way you've had to for Yobo?

He was right about Yobo. However he was wrong about Holgate and David Luiz  :clap:

Not sure yet on Yerry myself.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Undisputed_blue on September 15, 2020, 04:21:09 AM
Hopefully Yerry will score more goals on the basis of his renewed partnership with James. I'll be over the moon if he enter into double figures.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: bigmanbob on September 15, 2020, 04:21:35 AM
That's why being paired with Holgate is such a good combo.
Agreed
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: kramer0 on September 15, 2020, 07:15:45 AM
Heís quality.

We need to make better use of him from set plays. Heís a menace in the air and should be bagging around 5 goals a season (at least).


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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 15, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
Heís quality.

We need to make better use of him from set plays. Heís a menace in the air and should be bagging around 5 goals a season (at least).


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like someone was saying earlier today, he gets special treatment teams will spend all week talking about how they're gonna cope with Mina, now they have doucoure to worry about as well, will be nice to bully some smaller teams this year
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Omar on September 15, 2020, 12:19:26 PM
Hopefully Yerry will score more goals on the basis of his renewed partnership with James. I'll be over the moon if he enter into double figures.

Yerry in double figures? Yeah, I'll be over the moon too, but I think that's quite a stretch. I'll be over the moon with 5.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: 74Blue on September 15, 2020, 12:24:39 PM
With proper quality delivery into the opposition box from set pieces, Mina can cause enough mayhem to allow others to score plenty. Everybody knows he's a real threat in the air and the temptation is to double up on him, leaving pockets of space elsewhere.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on September 15, 2020, 12:56:58 PM
As I saw Yerry and James walking into the ground together at Spurs I thought "We could not have hoped for a better 'big brother' type to help James settle in here."

I mean, who wouldn't want him for a big brother?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on September 15, 2020, 03:14:21 PM
I do love him. Saw him in Formby tesco last season, wish I'd got a photo with him.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Sir Stealth on September 15, 2020, 03:48:47 PM
He does seem like a super nice guy

I do want to see a bit more of the nasty from him to be honest!I love the Yerry that bombed in headers at the world Cup, that scuffed the penalty spot against England

You'd absolutely shit yourself defending a corner against him cannonballing into you!really should be scoring more headers for us this season

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Undisputed_blue on September 15, 2020, 04:30:37 PM
Yerry in double figures? Yeah, I'll be over the moon too, but I think that's quite a stretch. I'll be over the moon with 5.

If Derek Mountfield can reach double figures then there's no reason Yerry can't. Yerry should have a lot more goals last season too.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: TSGun on September 15, 2020, 04:42:18 PM
Like all the defence he's going to appreciate having a properly organised, hard working and tactically intelligent midfield ahead of him this season.

If he manages to stay fit and healthy we may just see him develop into a truly colossal defender.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 15, 2020, 08:04:36 PM
Yerry in double figures? Yeah, I'll be over the moon too, but I think that's quite a stretch. I'll be over the moon with 5.

Double digits 😂

Guess how many CBs in all the top flights scored 10+ goals?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 15, 2020, 08:20:14 PM
Double digits 😂

Guess how many CBs in all the top flights scored 10+ goals?
Back in the day Mountfield got about 14 for us one season
Seem to recall Bruce getting a fauir few for man u as well

Other than them, dont ever really recall many goalscoring cb's
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 15, 2020, 08:24:41 PM
Back in the day Mountfield got about 14 for us one season
Seem to recall Bruce getting a fauir few for man u as well

Other than them, dont ever really recall many goalscoring cb's

I'll take your word for it (obv I don't know). I'm just saying it's not a thing that happens.

There are entire teams who don't score 10+ goals off corners (since that's really what we're talking about), let alone a single CB.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Robioto on September 15, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
Back in the day Mountfield got about 14 for us one season
Seem to recall Bruce getting a fauir few for man u as well

Other than them, dont ever really recall many goalscoring cb's

Joleon Lescott got 10 in all comps (8 in the league) in 2007/08 8)

I remember Martin Laursen scoring a tonne for Villa one season too (EDIT - was only 6, in the same season as Lescott, I remember as I had both in my fantasy team that year).
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 15, 2020, 08:28:57 PM
Gary Cahill was a bagger wasnít he?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blargins on September 15, 2020, 08:45:24 PM
Unsworth got 9 one season I think, but a few were pens of course.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: arteta4spain on September 15, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
Joleon Lescott got 10 in all comps (8 in the league) in 2007/08 8)

I remember Martin Laursen scoring a tonne for Villa one season too (EDIT - was only 6, in the same season as Lescott, I remember as I had both in my fantasy team that year).
Was gonna mention lescott. Prolific for a defender personally.


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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Bluebridge on September 15, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
Think Bruce got 20 one season.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: love is love on September 16, 2020, 04:18:27 AM
Big mick keggers played on the right in every Everton game? He played on the left against Spurs. Does this mean something? Every game was mick keggers on the right and the other on the left.  All the experts seemed to miss this.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: VBlue on September 16, 2020, 09:54:58 PM
John Terryfullkitwanker got 7 a couple of seasons and & another.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 16, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
Think Bruce got 20 one season.

Surely thatís not right. It doesnít sound right. Not even sure if youíre joking never mind if itís true
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: GLewis on September 16, 2020, 10:56:46 PM
Surely thatís not right. It doesnít sound right. Not even sure if youíre joking never mind if itís true

Got 19 in 50 apps (13 in the league) in 90/91
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 16, 2020, 11:00:47 PM
Got 19 in 50 apps (13 in the league) in 90/91

I was still very young then but do remember Bruce playing. Did he take Pens at that point or have I completely mis remembered that?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: 74Blue on September 16, 2020, 11:53:45 PM
Surely thatís not right. It doesnít sound right. Not even sure if youíre joking never mind if itís true
Have you seen the size of Steve Bruce's fucking head? It wouldn't surprise me if he scored them all from corners with his feet still on the half way line, the fucking fat headed fucker.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 17, 2020, 12:39:18 AM
I was still very young then but do remember Bruce playing. Did he take Pens at that point or have I completely mis remembered that?

Donít think heís ever taken penalties?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blargins on September 17, 2020, 12:42:41 AM
Surely thatís not right. It doesnít sound right. Not even sure if youíre joking never mind if itís true

Probably in all games including CL etc. No way he got 20 prem goals in a season.

Edit: It was 19. 13 in the prem and 6 in other comps. And most from the penalty spot.

https://dispensablesoccer.com/top-5-absolutely-absurd-scoring-records/
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toffee Tuesdays on September 17, 2020, 12:46:02 AM
Koeman has ridiculous goal scoring stats. Not sure how much of that was in midfield vs defense though
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toffee1 on September 17, 2020, 12:48:15 AM
The West Ham fullback, Ray Stewart had a pretty good amount of goals for a defender, mainly penalties though.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Goaljira on September 17, 2020, 01:30:16 AM
If Yerry took our penalties he might double his goal tally from last season.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 23, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
Athletic article

Yerry Minaís default setting is a wide grin and laid-back manner; taking things in his stride.

Itís an outlook which has served him well on his journey thus far, from Bogota to Brazil and then Barcelona, and has also made him a big hit on Merseyside, where he is a popular figure in the Everton dressing room. But even Mina could have been forgiven for a frown and moment of concern on Saturday evening.

While his team recovered from a shaky start to blow 10-man West Brom away, Carlo Ancelotti was not all praise and plaudits afterwards. Everton conceded the first goal of the game and it left few in royal blue covered in glory: from James Rodriguez and Andre Gomes to Mina and Jordan Pickford. But itís Mina who, on closer inspection, perhaps disappoints the most, backing off the rampaging Grady Diangana and allowing the West Brom man space and time to try his luck.

ďYerry had an average game, I think he could be more aggressive and do more with the ball,Ē said Ancelotti afterwards, once he had finishing waxing lyrical about his teamís attacking. ďThe only aspect we have to look at is him being more aggressive when he can press the opening.Ē

Itís hardly tearing Mina, who turns 26 today, apart but it was an unusually blunt assessment from the Italian. Itís also a fair one.
Mina was brought to Everton for £27 million in the summer of 2018 on the back of an eye-catching World Cup with Colombia. His aerial presence in both boxes and stout tackling brought him to the attention of a host of clubs who were aware that Barcelona were prepared to sell. Evertonís director of football Marcel Brands admitted to dismay when Mina scored against England during that tournament, concerned others may gazump his pursuit of the defender.


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In the end he got his man, but Evertonians have yet to see consistent evidence of the player Brands was so eager to capture. So far his form has been patchy. Mina has good games, he has poor games, he gets injured.

Almost a year ago, Ancelottiís predecessor Marco Silva was praising the Colombian in his programme notes before the home game against newly-promoted Sheffield United. In return, Mina scored an own goal and was partly culpable in the build-up to the visitors scoring their second goal in a 2-0 win. Itís characteristic of his inconsistency so far.

Headers of the type he squeezed past Pickford during that World Cup have been few and far between, even if heís always a threat from set pieces, but itís the flaws highlighted by Ancelotti that cause more concern. He would benefit from more aggression and decisiveness, both in snuffing out danger and seizing the opportunity to start the play, if heís to avoid more uncomfortable critiques from his manager.

Against West Brom it was Minaís defensive partner Michael Keane who attempted more passes and completed more of them successfully. It was the same story at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on the opening weekend too. It is on the turn, in particular, when fast opponents are running at him, that Mina seems vulnerable.

The reality is that Mason Holgateís absence owing to a toe injury suffered at the end of pre-season, which could see him sidelined for another 10 weeks or so, offers Mina a big opportunity. When Holgate is fit, Evertonís current first-choice central defensive partnership is the 23-year-old and Keane, who recently signed a new long-term contract extension.

Holgate might not have the same towering presence as Mina but he is more mobile, as good at reading the game and increasingly better at playing the ball forward through the opposition press. Itís a quality Ancelotti prizes highly and no doubt something he might have expected to see more of from a player with Barcelona on his CV.

For now, Everton remain on the hunt for another centre-back, to boost what was already a thin quota of defenders even with the promise of 18-year-old Jarrad Branthwaite. After the teenager was also injured in the Carabao Cup win over Salford City last week, the urgency to bring in a defender on loan only intensified.

As it stands, Evertonís interest in Chelseaís Fikayo Tomori seems to have cooled. Frank Lampard used the 22-year-old against Liverpool, and Tomori would likely want a move that guaranteed him more playing time; something Everton could not necessarily promise with everyone fit.

That leaves them looking at both ends of the age scale: younger defenders from European clubs who want to come and be involved in the Premier League, or older ones who wonít complain if theyíre not playing every weekend.

There is little over a fortnight of the window remaining. But given the type of loan Everton are looking at, the window for Mina to really convince should be open a bit longer.
He just needs to start seizing it.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: velimski on September 23, 2020, 08:26:46 PM
11 of Bruce's 19 were pens.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: cantoffee on September 23, 2020, 08:28:24 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment so far.

Although I found that I preferred him and Holgate together as opposed to Holgate and Keane.

I don't think we will see Mina and Keane together often with Holgate fit as they are both vulnerable to pace and players with more mobility, especially if we are playing on the front foot more often this year with a higher line.

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 23, 2020, 08:57:13 PM
Athletic article

Against West Brom it was Minaís defensive partner Michael Keane who attempted more passes and completed more of them successfully. It was the same story at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on the opening weekend too. It is on the turn, in particular, when fast opponents are running at him, that Mina seems vulnerable.

The reality is that Mason Holgateís absence owing to a toe injury suffered at the end of pre-season, which could see him sidelined for another 10 weeks or so, offers Mina a big opportunity. When Holgate is fit, Evertonís current first-choice central defensive partnership is the 23-year-old and Keane, who recently signed a new long-term contract extension.

Holgate might not have the same towering presence as Mina but he is more mobile, as good at reading the game and increasingly better at playing the ball forward through the opposition press. Itís a quality Ancelotti prizes highly and no doubt something he might have expected to see more of from a player with Barcelona on his CV.

For now, Everton remain on the hunt for another centre-back, to boost what was already a thin quota of defenders even with the promise of 18-year-old Jarrad Branthwaite. After the teenager was also injured in the Carabao Cup win over Salford City last week, the urgency to bring in a defender on loan only intensified.

As it stands, Evertonís interest in Chelseaís Fikayo Tomori seems to have cooled. Frank Lampard used the 22-year-old against Liverpool, and Tomori would likely want a move that guaranteed him more playing time; something Everton could not necessarily promise with everyone fit.

That leaves them looking at both ends of the age scale: younger defenders from European clubs who want to come and be involved in the Premier League, or older ones who wonít complain if theyíre not playing every weekend.

There is little over a fortnight of the window remaining. But given the type of loan Everton are looking at, the window for Mina to really convince should be open a bit longer.
He just needs to start seizing it.

Its so refreshing to read informed journalism about us, for years Ive been reading stuff that just makes you think they've never watched us or their idiots or both.

Happy birthday to the big man, whilst we are still not all 100 percent convinced by his ability, his personality and heart cannot be questioned. And everyone talks about the pull of Carletto but sure this fella played a big part in James becoming a toffee.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 23, 2020, 09:14:05 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment so far.

Although I found that I preferred him and Holgate together as opposed to Holgate and Keane.

I don't think we will see Mina and Keane together often with Holgate fit as they are both vulnerable to pace and players with more mobility, especially if we are playing on the front foot more often this year with a higher line.

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Holgate & Mina were by far our best pairing last year. But then Holgate & Keane were really coming on post-lockdown. One thing's for sure. Mina & Keane are by far our worst pairing.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on September 23, 2020, 09:19:55 PM
Holgate & Mina were by far our best pairing last year. But then Holgate & Keane were really coming on post-lockdown. One thing's for sure. Mina & Keane are by far our worst pairing.

Holgate is the special sauce then!

Back 3 with Holgate in the middle for the wheels and Mina and Keane aggressively attacking anything down their side? Anyone?

I'll get my coat.

The only thing worse than only having 3 fit CB's is probably playing them all in every game until one gets injured and you have to shuffle the entire outfield team, mid-game, to accommodate changes! :)
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on September 23, 2020, 10:17:34 PM
I really don't get all the fuss about Yerry we need better defenders we all can see that and for me he would be the one to ship out I can only see him getting slower every season . I hope he has a good year and we can get a few quid for him but we are never going to get were we want to be with him
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2020, 11:35:43 PM
I really don't get all the fuss about Yerry we need better defenders we all can see that and for me he would be the one to ship out I can only see him getting slower every season . I hope he has a good year and we can get a few quid for him but we are never going to get were we want to be with him

Our quickest CB
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Shogun on September 23, 2020, 11:43:04 PM
Our quickest CB

Mina is quicker than Holgate?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Gary1878 on September 23, 2020, 11:49:12 PM
Keane and Holgate are our best pairing for me at the moment. They have both really improved over the past year or so, and have cut out mistakes in their game.

Mina is yet to do that, as he hasn't really had a solid run in the team and so has very little form. No doubt that Mina has everything needed to become an absolute beast at the back - height, skill, composure, heading. He does seem to lack pace at times, but this can be compensated by his reading of the game and positioning, which should improve.

This might not be a popular opinion, but Keane is our mainstay at the back. Consistent performer, and won't necessarily look as classy on the ball, but he is a manager's dream in that he does the basics very well, and puts his body on the line.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 24, 2020, 12:12:20 AM
Keane and Holgate are our best pairing for me at the moment. They have both really improved over the past year or so, and have cut out mistakes in their game.

Mina is yet to do that, as he hasn't really had a solid run in the team and so has very little form. No doubt that Mina has everything needed to become an absolute beast at the back - height, skill, composure, heading. He does seem to lack pace at times, but this can be compensated by his reading of the game and positioning, which should improve.

This might not be a popular opinion, but Keane is our mainstay at the back. Consistent performer, and won't necessarily look as classy on the ball, but he is a manager's dream in that he does the basics very well, and puts his body on the line.

Mina had a decent run w/ Holgate once Dunc took over though. Maybe 14 games in a row I think? Was by far our best pairing and results of the year.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 24, 2020, 12:19:58 AM
Really like Mina. I think it feels like he misses more games than he actually does.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2020, 12:59:09 AM
Mina is quicker than Holgate?

Yep!

Holgate quicker on the turn and more agile but in a sprint mina beats them both!
Title: Yerry Mina
Post by: kramer0 on September 24, 2020, 01:34:40 AM
Yep!

Holgate quicker on the turn and more agile but in a sprint mina beats them both!

Yeah, it's the long strides.

He doesn't necessarily *look* quick but he definitely is.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on September 24, 2020, 03:37:54 AM
Our quickest CB

stop it ffs
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2020, 03:39:26 AM
stop it ffs

Mason Holgate has the worst heading duel % out of any English CB in the prem x
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on September 24, 2020, 03:40:14 AM
Mason Holgate has the worst heading duel % out of any English CB in the prem x

Random
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2020, 07:07:43 PM
Mina > Holgate > Kane

That's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: cantoffee on September 27, 2020, 12:28:50 AM
Sliding header tackles are back on the menu boys!

Loved Coleman's reaction to it as well.

A bit erratic and over enthusiastic today as usual but also great overall against some quick and tricky players.

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Cozzie on September 27, 2020, 01:06:45 AM
Anyone got a gif of the sliding tackle with his head?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: TheTone on September 27, 2020, 01:23:13 AM
Anyone got a gif of the sliding tackle with his head?

(https://i.gifer.com/2SFp.gif)
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 27, 2020, 01:30:03 AM
Off his head isn't he.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Gary1878 on September 27, 2020, 01:31:58 AM
Thought he was fantastic today. Positioning, leadership and attitude were spot on. And of course the diving header. Havenít seen that since the Strac did it at Goodison a few years ago!
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on September 27, 2020, 05:21:28 AM
His stats from today are out of this world. Only lost one of 9 headed duels.

The bits I watched in the first half he shut down one of the most explosive dribblers in the league. In fact Wilf Zaha didn't manage to get past a single player today apparently.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Omar on September 27, 2020, 05:22:29 AM
His stats from today are out of this world. Only lost one of 9 headed duels.

The bits I watched in the first half he shut down one of the most explosive dribblers in the league. In fact Wilf Zaha didn't manage to get past a single player today apparently.

Loved his ground work myself. :)
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on September 27, 2020, 05:26:06 AM
Loved his ground work myself. :)

Lol wonder if that counts as a headed duel won
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jamokachi on September 27, 2020, 09:09:13 AM
His stats from today are out of this world. Only lost one of 9 headed duels.

The bits I watched in the first half he shut down one of the most explosive dribblers in the league. In fact Wilf Zaha didn't manage to get past a single player today apparently.

First time at home in 4 years he hasn't dribbled past someone apparently?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 27, 2020, 01:50:55 PM
Reckon Carlo loves this fella.

I also think he loves big Mick and Holgste too. Three superb options at the back. Just need that final one to cover our arses.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Fynci on September 27, 2020, 02:09:36 PM
Reckon Carlo loves this fella.

I also think he loves big Mick and Holgste too. Three superb options at the back. Just need that final one to cover our arses.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Holgate returns. Keane has been solid so far this season, and although he has had a couple of wobbles, Mina is a very good player.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on October 03, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
Monster performance.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Cozzie on October 03, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
Hope this ends any doubt.

Champions league level player.

Mountain today and a goal too.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Macca77 on October 03, 2020, 10:57:52 PM
Best game for us by far, superb
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 03, 2020, 10:58:15 PM
Man of the match.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: NickNack on October 03, 2020, 10:59:42 PM
Best game for us yet?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: kramer0 on October 03, 2020, 11:00:06 PM
You have to love him.

He has no regard for his own physical well-being. Heíll throw any part of his body in front of anything to stop a goal. The header where he got clobbered by Pickford was immense.

Nice to see him score, as well. He should be bagging 5+ a season given his aerial prowess.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: ajax_andy on October 03, 2020, 11:01:16 PM
Probably the most complete defensive performance I've seen since peak Jagielka... Is it possible to award a player 11/10?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 03, 2020, 11:47:27 PM
Beast today
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2020, 12:08:03 AM
Well done Yerald. Won't be happy unless he bags 5-10 though. Should be an absolute nightmare to defend from setpieces.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Cozzie on October 04, 2020, 02:18:08 PM
Just re watched highlights on MOTD then, he's just fucking boss isn't he.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Brownie on October 04, 2020, 03:01:39 PM
I was still very young then but do remember Bruce playing. Did he take Pens at that point or have I completely mis remembered that?

Bruce did take pens in the early 90s for Utd
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on October 04, 2020, 03:18:38 PM
This is why CB is the best position on the pitch!

I've said before when he gets a run of games he improves a lot.

I wonder if this is because he heard about our new CB signing today....?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on October 04, 2020, 03:55:36 PM
Oh. One thing I do remember - his movement at the corner for his goal was fucking brilliant.

If that had been a striker the commentators would have been waxing lyrical all day.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: 74Blue on October 04, 2020, 05:17:51 PM
Well done Yerald. Won't be happy unless he bags 5-10 though. Should be an absolute nightmare to defend from setpieces.
With the inch perfect set piece deliveries from James coming into the box, there's no reason why he shouldn't be chipping in with a few headed goals this season. Top performance from him yesterday. Took his goal well and defended like a monster.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: dazfrancis on October 04, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Both Yerry and Keane in the goals already this year

Good sign that
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jamokachi on October 04, 2020, 05:22:52 PM
One of the most likeable characters in football. Love the guy.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 04, 2020, 05:57:06 PM
Love him.

Needs to continue to watch the Jags highlights of last ditch blocks and throwing the kitchen sink at it when needed.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 09:04:01 PM
With the inch perfect set piece deliveries from James coming into the box, there's no reason why he shouldn't be chipping in with a few headed goals this season. Top performance from him yesterday. Took his goal well and defended like a monster.

Yup, exactly. Would it surprise anyone if Keane/Mina combined for 10+ goals this year?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: GLewis on October 07, 2020, 06:52:28 PM
https://twitter.com/larshendel/status/1313547105751961600?s=
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Fynci on October 07, 2020, 06:56:08 PM
https://twitter.com/larshendel/status/1313547105751961600?s=

Can't believe he dropped 7 points. ;)
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: NickNack on October 07, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
Mina and Keane both above the best defender in the world  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Cozzie on October 07, 2020, 07:34:55 PM
Big Yerald.

Interesting that Gabriel Maghales is 3rd, hopefully Godfrey outperforms him.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: GLewis on October 07, 2020, 07:42:17 PM
Big Yerald.

Interesting that Gabriel Maghales is 3rd, hopefully Godfrey outperforms him.

Re Gabriel, he didnít play when they lost to Lípool so probably would have been lower.

For what itís worth :)
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: TheRam on October 07, 2020, 07:43:47 PM
Not surprised at all.

Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blargins on October 07, 2020, 07:55:19 PM
Re Gabriel, he didnít play when they lost to Lípool so probably would have been lower.

For what itís worth :)

Or maybe the Arse may have beaten them had he have played?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: velimski on October 07, 2020, 08:19:48 PM
King Yerald of Bogota.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 07, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
Loving seeing Mina top of that list. What a man. Also looking fwd to Barca eat some humble empanada. You still see fans joking now about how we cleared out their deadwood. Funnier still now koeman is at the helm. Just need Gomes to come good and score some worldies. The Madrid fans were also in denial saying James isn't all that, and have now done a full U turn as well. Were spinning the heads of the big boys  ;D
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Waltzer on October 07, 2020, 09:51:49 PM
Wasnt that into Mina for a while but hes starting to look really good, if he can keeps these levels up it looks like a great acquisition.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Fynci on October 07, 2020, 10:01:35 PM
Wasnt that into Mina for a while but hes starting to look really good, if he can keeps these levels up it looks like a great acquisition.

I was on the other side, I didnít think heíd come because he was too good for us. Now itís nice to see our level is more suited to his ability!
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 07, 2020, 10:14:04 PM
I would take Mina with me if I was to go to war!
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: sam of the south on October 07, 2020, 10:20:13 PM
I would take Mina with me if I was to go to war!

I donít think heíd like that.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Confucius on October 07, 2020, 10:25:08 PM
I would take Mina with me if I was to go to war!

Throwing your head at everything doesnít work so well on bullets.

Also goes to show that it usually takes a season or so before true form shows. And why people like James and Allan hitting the ground running is rare and valuable.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 07, 2020, 10:31:37 PM
I donít think heíd like that.

It's a metaphor.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: sam of the south on October 07, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
It's a metaphor.

I got it.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Bluedylan on October 07, 2020, 10:55:43 PM
Put a season in at this level, and he can start to be in conversations with VVD and people of that ilk. Good start though.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Confucius on October 07, 2020, 11:07:23 PM
Love Yerry but think we over hyping him. Not in VVD class to be honest.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Omar on October 07, 2020, 11:16:43 PM
Loving seeing Mina top of that list. What a man. Also looking fwd to Barca eat some humble empanada. You still see fans joking now about how we cleared out their deadwood. Funnier still now koeman is at the helm. Just need Gomes to come good and score some worldies. The Madrid fans were also in denial saying James isn't all that, and have now done a full U turn as well. Were spinning the heads of the big boys  ;D


Jaja! I hadn't seen that one yet. Love it!
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 07, 2020, 11:21:32 PM

Jaja! I hadn't seen that one yet. Love it!
Yeah I have a mate from Madrid hes really chilled so how ever much I wind him up its always, 'im pleased for you, good luck he was rubbish for us' haha. But there are lots of fans posting compilations of what he did for them, and others complaining at Zidane and the board for letting him go for nothing.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Macca77 on October 07, 2020, 11:23:15 PM
He's an absolute nutcase, but he's our nutcase, love him
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Cozzie on October 08, 2020, 12:02:57 AM
Love Yerry but think we over hyping him. Not in VVD class to be honest.

You are right. He's above it.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 08, 2020, 12:48:30 AM
I would take Mina with me if I was to go to war!
I would t go to war with him.
Heís too nice, certainly too nice to shoot at - so theyíd definitely have to shoot me instead.


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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Arguably the worst Blue on the pitch today. Too bad as he was one of the best in our last match pre-break.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jamokachi on October 17, 2020, 09:19:35 PM
Arguably the worst Blue on the pitch today. Too bad as he was one of the best in our last match pre-break.

Naaaahhhh, wasn't that bad.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 17, 2020, 09:21:17 PM
Played fine apart from that daft flick. You just canít do that.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 09:21:48 PM
Naaaahhhh, wasn't that bad.

He was bad, it's ok to say it. His passing was terrible for a CB, and a direct contribution to a Liverpool goal.

Doesn't mean I don't rate him, just being honest is all.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jamokachi on October 17, 2020, 09:24:37 PM
He was bad, it's ok to say it. His passing was terrible for a CB, and a direct contribution to a Liverpool goal.

Doesn't mean I don't rate him, just being honest is all.

Oh I don't think he was great or anything, just don't think he was the worst player in blue. Weirdly I think most players had periods in the game where you could make that accusation.

It was a disjointed display from tired looking players. Almost as if some of them had flown twice around the world in the last few days.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 09:26:39 PM
Oh I don't think he was great or anything, just don't think he was the worst player in blue. Weirdly I think most players had periods in the game where you could make that accusation.

It was a disjointed display from tired looking players. Almost as if some of them had flown twice around the world in the last few days.

No doubt, no doubt.

But when you make an error that leads to a goal, you get penalized for it. That's all. He was good in the air as always though.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jamokachi on October 17, 2020, 09:28:40 PM
No doubt, no doubt.

But when you make an error that leads to a goal, you get penalized for it. That's all. He was good in the air as always though.

Most players wouldn't be capable of punishing him in such fashion. Unlucky it fell to Salah really (well actually Salah's positioning is fantastic because he's pre-empting it).
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: cantoffee on October 17, 2020, 11:32:19 PM
Nah awful decision on the cross. Can't be flicking that with the outside of your boot. Got to put it back where it came from in that case.

Otherwise he seemed fine to me.

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 19, 2020, 09:35:35 PM
I would throw Godfrey straight in the XI ahead of Mina, though I know it's me overreacting to a small sample size.

But really, Mina/Keane is just not an ideal pairing.  Each needs a Holgate/Godfrey type to function at their best.  I think.

Anyway, just nice to have options.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Heisenberg on October 19, 2020, 09:45:25 PM
Thought him and Keane was actually a good partnership yesterday overall, as have they been for a while now. Calls for him to be dropped are proper knee jerk. Holgate doesnít even get back in the team at the minute for me never mind Godfrey
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 19, 2020, 09:46:57 PM
I understand calling the Godfrey shout knee-jerk (I even pre-admitted as such).

But Holgate strolls back into the XI.  He's far and away our best centre-half.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 19, 2020, 09:49:26 PM
Happy thoughts - Everton in Europe next season, with proper depth.  Holgate/Keane our 1st pairing, Godfrey/Mina 2nd, with Braithwaite providing cover and coming in off the bench.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Heisenberg on October 19, 2020, 09:50:26 PM
I understand calling the Godfrey shout knee-jerk (I even pre-admitted as such).

But Holgate strolls back into the XI.  He's far and away our best centre-half.

Will respectively disagree. Keane is our number one CB and the pairing should always be Keane and one of the others, Iím not overly fussed on which one.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: kramer0 on October 19, 2020, 09:50:40 PM
Massive overreaction.

Weíre only a couple of weeks removed from him throwing himself in front of absolutely everything to shut down Brighton.

Great player whoís earned his right to start.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 19, 2020, 10:10:02 PM
Love the shout for Godfrey to start next game. I donít recall having ever seen him play before Saturday. Oh and Holgate isnít our best defender either. The best 2 are the 2 that have played this season
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 19, 2020, 10:30:19 PM
Love the shout for Godfrey to start next game. I donít recall having ever seen him play before Saturday. Oh and Holgate isnít our best defender either. The best 2 are the 2 that have played this season

Agreed. It's Keane & Mina until they don't deserve to be there. We are now experiencing the beauty of depth, and the competition to play.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Confucius on October 19, 2020, 10:34:52 PM
Minaís been one of the top CB in Europe so far this season. What an awful shout.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on October 19, 2020, 10:49:59 PM
Minaís been one of the top CB in Europe so far this season. What an awful shout.


not having this was not going to get into this but no way not having this

he is the one out of all are CB,s that will be sold ASAP

yes I will get shit on here for saying it BUT next summer I will come back in here and repost on this not till then
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Nicco on October 19, 2020, 10:50:57 PM
Perhaps we should discuss our best CB pairing instead of best CB.

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 19, 2020, 10:56:22 PM

not having this was not going to get into this but no way not having this

he is the one out of all are CB,s that will be sold ASAP

yes I will get shit on here for saying it BUT next summer I will come back in here and repost on this not till then

HAHAHHAHHAHH clueless
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 19, 2020, 10:57:29 PM
Errrrr...................WHAT?!?!?!

You on the wind up?

not having this was not going to get into this but no way not having this

he is the one out of all are CB,s that will be sold ASAP

yes I will get shit on here for saying it BUT next summer I will come back in here and repost on this not till then

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 19, 2020, 11:01:11 PM
Interesting, you'd usually say Holgate with one of Keane or Mina as those 2 are probably the slowest and it's nice to have a bit of pace  but......they've been really good so even if holgate was fit tomorrow I'd keep Mina and Keane in, they've earned it
Perhaps we should discuss our best CB pairing instead of best CB.

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 19, 2020, 11:01:50 PM
Perhaps we should discuss our best CB pairing instead of best CB.


Agreed.  And like I said earlier, I think Holgate and Keane bring the best out of each other.  Holgate has the pace and ability to play out from the back creatively.  Keane has the positional sense and physicality.

Mina is similar to Keane (though in my view, not quite as good/consistent), and Godfrey similar to Holgate (also not quite as good).

We will hopefully have a very full dance card next season, will need BOTH pairings in good form.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 19, 2020, 11:03:16 PM

not having this was not going to get into this but no way not having this

he is the one out of all are CB,s that will be sold ASAP

yes I will get shit on here for saying it BUT next summer I will come back in here and repost on this not till then

He very well may be sold, but it won't be because he's a poor CB or isn't doing a job for us. If and when it happens, it'll purely be from a contractual timing perspective.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 19, 2020, 11:06:01 PM
Also, just in general - yes, Mina has been in good form early for us.  We'd certainly be boned without him.

It doesn't mean you take those 4 matches and throw out what Holgate showed last season.  That would be madness, in my view.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 19, 2020, 11:06:22 PM
Loving Mina this season. A mistake for the Salah goal but it was only a half chance and the finish was superb. The prick.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 20, 2020, 01:28:29 AM
I know people talk a lot about central defensive pairing, and I agree its important that players form partnerships, but more important than that is to understand the different roles, especially if we play with 3 at the back at some point, or change the shape of the midfield players in front of the defense.

Also with the volume of games these days and the inevitable injuries relying on a partnership is setting you up for a fall. Awesome that we already have the versatility to pick the best players for whatever we are up against. Depth and different types of players.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Gash on October 20, 2020, 02:34:01 AM
Also, just in general - yes, Mina has been in good form early for us.  We'd certainly be boned without him.

It doesn't mean you take those 4 matches and throw out what Holgate showed last season.  That would be madness, in my view.

But you'd throw out Mina, one of our best players who's formed a very good partnership with Keane for a lad you've seen play an hour for us, out of position? Mina's been very good this season and was our best centre back last season before injury. Even by your usual standards of overhyping young players you've hardly ever/never seen play that is a completely bonkers shout. And when he's back fit Holgate isn't walking straight back into the team either.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on October 20, 2020, 04:59:50 AM
Mason Holgate is our worst cb.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blueToffee on October 20, 2020, 08:38:30 AM
Mason Holgate is our worst cb.

They all have positive attributes they bring to the position. Holgate was one of stand out players last season where a lot of the senior players were not at their best.

I will say what I do like about the current pairing is it feels a bit like the times of Jags and Lescott in that we have an extra goal threat/dimension to our attacking set pieces. Considering last season if Richarilson or DCL didn't score, it was likely our team wouldn't score, expanding our goal threats as much as possible is a pretty big deal.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: ajax_andy on October 20, 2020, 02:22:06 PM
Mason Holgate is our worst cb.

Is he? On what basis? Godfrey is better?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on October 20, 2020, 02:41:34 PM
Is he? On what basis? Godfrey is better?

Ah he's better than Godfrey probably. Can't help but see Godfrey as an upgrade eventually though. If he can pass like Holgate (who is v good at passing short) then he's basically the same player but can actually defend in the air etc.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Waltzer on October 20, 2020, 03:21:21 PM
Ah he's better than Godfrey probably. Can't help but see Godfrey as an upgrade eventually though. If he can pass like Holgate (who is v good at passing short) then he's basically the same player but can actually defend in the air etc.

I tend to agree, the positives are that when we now talk about weaker players it's not like falling off a cliff as it has been historically. Holgate isn't the best defender we have, but he's still pretty decent and more than capable of playing at a high level.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: sam of the south on October 20, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
They all have positive attributes they bring to the position. Holgate was one of stand out players last season where a lot of the senior players were not at their best.

I will say what I do like about the current pairing is it feels a bit like the times of Jags and Lescott in that we have an extra goal threat/dimension to our attacking set pieces. Considering last season if Richarilson or DCL didn't score, it was likely our team wouldn't score, expanding our goal threats as much as possible is a pretty big deal.

Yeah, the scoring threat is nice.

Jags and Lescott were much quicker, though.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on October 20, 2020, 04:27:49 PM
I tend to agree, the positives are that when we now talk about weaker players it's not like falling off a cliff as it has been historically. Holgate isn't the best defender we have, but he's still pretty decent and more than capable of playing at a high level.

Think I just need to see Holgate playing well again for a good amount of time. His passing is really good but I never fancy him in a one v one. Think he's got a bit worse in my mind the longer he's been off.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: ajax_andy on October 20, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
Think I just need to see Holgate playing well again for a good amount of time. His passing is really good but I never fancy him in a one v one. Think he's got a bit worse in my mind the longer he's been off.

I was going to say I think it's just he's been out for a while so you've forgotten just how good he is.  He was exceptional at times last season and works great alongside Keane or Mina.  He has limitations with Ariel duels but also felt he'd improved a lot with that side of things last season too.

I think if he'd not been injured and started the season as one of the first choice centre backs we'd all be excited to see his continued development... He was on track to be a top class player imo
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: arteta4spain on October 20, 2020, 05:02:57 PM
I was going to say I think it's just he's been out for a while so you've forgotten just how good he is.  He was exceptional at times last season and works great alongside Keane or Mina.  He has limitations with Ariel duels but also felt he'd improved a lot with that side of things last season too.

I think if he'd not been injured and started the season as one of the first choice centre backs we'd all be excited to see his continued development... He was on track to be a top class player imo
Werenít City sniffing when he was in good form or was that just the typical rags?


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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: TSGun on October 20, 2020, 05:20:59 PM
Holgate was beginning to show some very good signs. There's a player there but perhaps CB doesn't end up his starting position.

Mina has really settled now and it shows. Yet there's still improvement to come you'd think.

Keane's the one who's come of age recently. Very happily surprised by this, and he too can still find a notch.

With Branthwaite and Godfrey our CB department is suddenly looking to possess some excellent potential.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Confucius on October 20, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
I was going to say I think it's just he's been out for a while so you've forgotten just how good he is.  He was exceptional at times last season and works great alongside Keane or Mina.  He has limitations with Ariel duels but also felt he'd improved a lot with that side of things last season too.

I think if he'd not been injured and started the season as one of the first choice centre backs we'd all be excited to see his continued development... He was on track to be a top class player imo

To be fair, most people struggle against Mermaids.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: ajax_andy on October 20, 2020, 09:33:04 PM
To be fair, most people struggle against Mermaids.

Haha bloody auto correct 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: BlueForYou on October 20, 2020, 10:08:53 PM
Bambi on ice at times...

Lacks aggression

A quality sub
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 20, 2020, 11:04:26 PM
Both Mina & Keane were in their best form last year when paired with Holgate.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on October 21, 2020, 01:58:06 AM
Play with 3 CBs Keane, Mina and Godfrey as a sweeper.

Midfield of Gbamin, Allan and Doucoure behind James in a free role.

Never concede another goal.

Never lose another game.

#Protection
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 21, 2020, 02:08:39 AM
Play with 3 CBs Keane, Mina and Godfrey as a sweeper.

Midfield of Gbamin, Allan and Doucoure behind James in a free role.

Never concede another goal.

Never lose another game.

#Protection

What'll Digne be doing?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on October 21, 2020, 02:19:46 AM
What'll Digne be doing?

Bombing on. As per.

We can get an extra man in defence because you wouldn't need a keeper behind that lot so we could drop Pickford.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 21, 2020, 02:31:59 AM
Bombing on. As per.

We can get an extra man in defence because you wouldn't need a keeper behind that lot so we could drop Pickford.

I can't even visualize this formation lol.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 21, 2020, 02:34:27 AM
I can't even visualize this formation lol.
Pickford
Mina Kean Godfrey
Richarlison doucoure gbamin Allan digne
Rodriguez
DCL

Vomits
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 21, 2020, 02:38:39 AM
Both Mina & Keane were in their best form last year when paired with Holgate.

And there might just POSSIBLY be a little causation to that.  Then again, shitting on any/everything I say is the best road to NSNO popularity!
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on October 21, 2020, 02:40:46 AM
I can't even visualize this formation lol.

I was only pissing about, but for shits and giggles...

              Mina.     Godfrey.      Keane.

Coleman.                                               Digne.
                       Allan.     Holgate.       
       Doucoure.                          Gbamin. 
                              James.   

           Dominic.    Calvert.     Lewin.       
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 21, 2020, 02:42:09 AM
I was only pissing about, but for shits and giggles...

              Mina.     Godfrey.      Keane.

Coleman.                                               Digne.
                       Allan.     Holgate.       
       Doucoure.                          Gbamin. 
                              James.   

           Dominic.    Calvert.     Lewin.       

So no Richarlison, or a keeper.

You're killing me. lolol
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on October 21, 2020, 02:42:40 AM
So no Richarlison, or a keeper.

You're killing me. lolol

Duh - Richarlison is banned mate!
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 21, 2020, 02:44:02 AM
Duh - Richarlison is banned mate!

And Gbamin & Holgate are injured you loon!

edit: though I suppose we could have a starting XIII. It's only fair.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 21, 2020, 03:56:05 AM
Pickford
Mina Kean Godfrey
Richarlison doucoure gbamin Allan digne
Rodriguez
DCL

Vomits

 ??? Iíd love wing backs of Digne and Richarlison.....?
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Juanito on October 21, 2020, 04:26:32 AM
I was only pissing about, but for shits and giggles...

              Mina.     Godfrey.      Keane.

Coleman.                                               Digne.
                       Allan.     Holgate.       
       Doucoure.                          Gbamin. 
                              James.   

           Dominic.    Calvert.     Lewin.       

Looks like a Walter Smith formation
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jamokachi on October 21, 2020, 04:45:20 AM
I was only pissing about, but for shits and giggles...

              Mina.     Godfrey.      Keane.

Coleman.                                               Digne.
                       Allan.     Holgate.       
       Doucoure.                          Gbamin. 
                              James.   

           Dominic.    Calvert.     Lewin.       

Youíve lost the plot here mate. What the fuck is that?!
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Alex6691 on October 21, 2020, 04:48:23 AM
I was only pissing about, but for shits and giggles...

              Mina.     Godfrey.      Keane.

Coleman.                                               Digne.
                       Allan.     Holgate.       
       Doucoure.                          Gbamin. 
                              James.   

           Dominic.    Calvert.     Lewin.       

I know DCL is good like but not sure we can split him into three players to run the front line? Not sure getting extra goals works like that
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: blargins on October 21, 2020, 05:04:50 PM
Pickford
Mina Kean Godfrey
Richarlison doucoure gbamin Allan digne
Rodriguez
DCL

Vomits
How much did Vomits cost us?


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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 21, 2020, 05:49:51 PM
How much did Vomits cost us?


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About 215 million I think
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 21, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
Another wedge of money straight down the toilet.......(whistle)
About 215 million I think

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Toddacelli on October 22, 2020, 02:03:29 AM
Another wedge of money straight down the toilet.......(whistle)
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Well we were flush at the time...
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 22, 2020, 06:32:22 AM
Guffaw!

Very good
Well we were flush at the time...

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Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on November 01, 2020, 09:43:50 PM

Yeah are best defender and are fastest lets have no more of this bullshit
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 01, 2020, 09:57:44 PM
Yeah are best defender and are fastest lets have no more of this bullshit

it is 'our'
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 01, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
it is 'our'

Trumper command of the English language.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: ajax_andy on November 01, 2020, 10:03:59 PM
Today for me showed exactly why Holgate and Keane are our first choice pair... at least they can pass the ball more than just a few feet sideways.  I'm not having a dig at Mina, he can be a fantastic defender on his day, but in games like this where we have a lot of the ball at the back you need players who can pick a pass between the lines and open things up, and it's something Mina just doesn't have in his locker.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: kerryblue boy on November 01, 2020, 10:13:58 PM
Today for me showed exactly why Holgate and Keane are our first choice pair... at least they can pass the ball more than just a few feet sideways.  I'm not having a dig at Mina, he can be a fantastic defender on his day, but in games like this where we have a lot of the ball at the back you need players who can pick a pass between the lines and open things up, and it's something Mina just doesn't have in his locker.
Mina has his place in certain games but the second goal exposed his lack of pace although it didnít help that he didnít have a right back at the time
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on November 01, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
He kept pace with Ryan Fraser. Unlucky with the block.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Shogun on November 01, 2020, 10:20:34 PM
For better or worse, there's not a lot between any of our CBs. Not worth complaining about.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on November 01, 2020, 10:33:49 PM
it is 'our'

sorry if you could not understand it
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on November 01, 2020, 10:34:41 PM
He kept pace with Ryan Fraser. Unlucky with the block.

give it up Brap he has no pace
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: markB on November 01, 2020, 10:35:42 PM
Trumper command of the English language.

This is the football part of the forums keep it that way Thanks
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: ajax_andy on November 01, 2020, 11:09:37 PM
Mina has his place in certain games but the second goal exposed his lack of pace although it didnít help that he didnít have a right back at the time

Yeah I don't blame him for that goal, he had no RB there and still almost stopped the shot.  I just think when we have a lot of the ball he's the worst for just popping it 5 yards to someone else.  That Keane - Mina - Delph - Mina - Keane triangle of endless passes in the first half made me want to slit my wrists.  Holgate would pass between the lines and get us moving up the pitch in a way Mina just isn't capable of.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2020, 05:39:35 PM
Has been at the scene of the crime for one or two this year but I think similar to fellaini his frame and style makes him stand out, maybe doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

Dribbled past only once.

90+% pass completion

70+% headed duals, bettered only by Boly, Bednarek and Tarkowski three absolutely monsters.

Our most interceptions up to game week 6 I think?

Very rarely loses out in a tackle.

Massive threat in the opposition box.

I know Michael Keane has had a good start to the season, but I do think he gets away with a bit at the back Keane. Probably better long balls than Mina to be fair.

I personally think he's our best pure defender, and pairing him and Holgate when fit would allow us to push the line up a little further and squeeze the pitch, which is a more natural fit to the 433 or 4231. Less space for Allan and Doucoure to cover, will need the full backs to be switched on but they are capable.

I'd the rumours are true that we are looking at Davidson Sanchez then he could partner with Mina at the back and replicate their extremely good international partnership, an aggressive high line that wins everything in the air and has pace in the space behind.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 10, 2020, 12:51:19 AM
He's never convinced me. Too easy to drag out of position and clumsy in the tackle. Considering his aerial threat we haven't seen many goals. Degsy was all he isn't.  As for passing accuracy... not hard when the vast majority are to Pickford or Keane.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 10, 2020, 12:58:36 AM
Don't think we've got our moneys worth. Too prone to a howler and for one so tall isn't dominant enough in either box.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Confucius on November 10, 2020, 01:16:28 AM
Think he is a threat that allows others to get on the end of things. Like Richarlison, DCL and occasionally Keane. They more danger you have the better.

Personally donít think we should break up Keane and Mina at present.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: Old England Toffee on November 10, 2020, 01:37:48 AM
Think he is a threat that allows others to get on the end of things. Like Richarlison, DCL and occasionally Keane. They more danger you have the better.

Personally donít think we should break up Keane and Mina at present.
I agree was a bit of 'if it aint broke...'. We will see later, but do you think its a case of Carletto picking the CBs based on opponents, if Cavani was likely to start for example maybe he would have played Mina? If he wants more pace/passing ability goes with Holgate, if he wants comedy Tom and Yerry at the back
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: brap2 on November 10, 2020, 01:41:10 AM
I think Keane and Mina are similar, but Mina is the better defender. Both are much better than Holgate at pure defending. Holgate can step out with the ball and pass into feet. Keane the better long passer. No comment on Godfrey as we've not seen him but he looks similar to Holgate but not as good at defending and physically better.

We're playing our defensive line much too deep leaving acres for Allan and Doucoure to try and cover.

Partner Mina and Holgate, push the defensive line up 5-10 yards and make the whole team a more compact block.
Title: Re: Yerry Mina
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2020, 02:57:01 AM
Holgates passing is extraordinary for a centre half. Do think he can become a class defender but youíre still having to take the rough with the smooth at the moment with him.

Iím not sure Keane is playing that well this season. Bad habits creeping back into his game.

Mina has played well but heís made too many errors leading to goals so I can see why heís been dropped but i still rate him as our best centre half.