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Title: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on September 19, 2020, 08:39:21 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluebridge on September 19, 2020, 08:40:13 PM
Very, thatís a game weíd have lost last season.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: sam of the south on September 19, 2020, 08:40:49 PM
Yeah, extremely happy.

Still very cautious, though, but loving the ability we have in this side.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Macca77 on September 19, 2020, 08:41:59 PM
It's basically ours to lose now
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 19, 2020, 08:43:58 PM
James has got a 4 million pounds release clause in his contact that's about to be triggered by Wolves.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Shogun on September 19, 2020, 08:45:09 PM
Not me. I wanted a 1-1 draw with Jay Rodriguez sealing us a last minute equaliser under David Moyes.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Up The Toffees on September 19, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
Happy we won, lots of positives and to be on 6 points after 2 games, a though match on paper away at spurs and coming from behind to win at home.

Surely were only going to get better the more games we play.

Slight concern in we didnt look solid at the back.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: love is love on September 19, 2020, 08:54:32 PM
There was loads I did not like. Gomes and Mina should not be playing with the level of the rest of the team.  They  are not good enough, it seems like Keane, Dcl and Coleman have made the grade/level of improvement under Carlo.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Brownie on September 19, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Being 2 from 2 - 10/10 happy
Being top of the League - 10/10 happy
Todayís overall performance - 7/10 happy
Deciding not to transfer DCL into my FF team last night and make him triple captain? -10/10 happy
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Cozzie on September 19, 2020, 09:09:04 PM
Happy yes, trying my ever best not to get carried away though.

Even Carlo said himself in the interview there was parts of that game that where still very shit but its usually the type we would have drawn or lost in the past.

Cant wait until we have played a few games together.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TSGun on September 19, 2020, 09:09:42 PM
Considering some of the recent shenanigans it's really hard not to be.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 09:18:31 PM
There was loads I did not like. Gomes and Mina should not be playing with the level of the rest of the team.  They  are not good enough, it seems like Keane, Dcl and Coleman have made the grade/level of improvement under Carlo.

Go have a lie down.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2020, 09:26:37 PM
Yeah really happy, and with loads to still improve on. Still some weakfish areas of the team/squad, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Maybe we can really go for a Top 6 position this season, if we keep key players fit.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 09:28:16 PM
Yeah really happy, and with loads to still improve on. Still some weakfish areas of the team/squad, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Maybe we can really go for a Top 6 position this season, if we keep key players fit.

I appreciate you keeping me grounded but I've already booked hotel rooms in every city in the Ukraine, Azerbaijan, and Turkey.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2020, 09:30:35 PM
I appreciate you keeping me grounded but I've already booked hotel rooms in every city in the Ukraine, Azerbaijan, and Turkey.

Even if we don't make Europe, those are all fascinating places to visit historically.

Fun fact about Azerbaijan - it used to be part of Iran (or rather Persia), and the Shah lost it in a card game.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Lazarou on September 19, 2020, 09:30:43 PM
You have to enjoy these glimpses of pleasure being a Everton fan. I can't quite believe we can now attract managers and players like we have. For all Moshiri and co's missteps I can't thank them enough for the hope I feel.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 09:31:51 PM
Even if we don't make Europe, those are all fascinating places to visit historically.

Fun fact about Azerbaijan - it used to be part of Iran (or rather Persia), and the Shah lost it in a card game.

And here I thought this day couldn't get any better. Then you go dropping knowledge like James rains crosses down in the area.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: love is love on September 19, 2020, 09:38:31 PM
Go have a lie down.

Everton are not going anywhere with Gomes and Mina in the side. Both managed to look look like garbage against a championship side. Gomes seems to think he is Cantona, and Mina is like a clown. Should Everton want to move on these players are no where near good enough. Pickford is not far off as well.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Silas on September 19, 2020, 09:44:44 PM
Everton are not going anywhere with Gomes and Mina in the side. Both managed to look look like garbage against a championship side. Gomes seems to think he is Cantona, and Mina is like a clown. Should Everton want to move on these players are no where near good enough. Pickford is not far off as well.

That's incredibly dramatic, Mina was poor first half but he's not a terrible player, Gomes was fine today and it's far too early to say he won't fit in this eleven. Pickford who knows. We need a defender as Holgate is injured but we aren't far off a very strong squad and certainly have the strongest eleven we have had in ages
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Fynci on September 19, 2020, 09:47:58 PM
Everton are not going anywhere with Gomes and Mina in the side. Both managed to look look like garbage against a championship side. Gomes seems to think he is Cantona, and Mina is like a clown. Should Everton want to move on these players are no where near good enough. Pickford is not far off as well.

Mina had a poor first 15-20 minutes, then he was fine. Gomes wasn't really involved in the first half (from what I recall), but he played well in the second. Pickford is inconsistent, and that is a worry. I think he will be given more time but I would not be surprised if GK becomes more of a priority.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: love is love on September 19, 2020, 09:52:38 PM
That's incredibly dramatic, Mina was poor first half but he's not a terrible player, Gomes was fine today and it's far too early to say he won't fit in this eleven. Pickford who knows. We need a defender as Holgate is injured but we aren't far off a very strong squad and certainly have the strongest eleven we have had in ages

It is a game against a team who might go down on record points. Mina was awful when wba had 11 players, he was ok when they had 10? Gomes was awful, always slowing everything down, never made a run, passing terrible. He thinks he is Eric Cantona. Everton need to sell him or let him play in a Cantona position. He 100% is not a cm midfielder that Everton need.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on September 19, 2020, 09:53:29 PM
There was loads I did not like. Gomes and Mina should not be playing with the level of the rest of the team.  They  are not good enough, it seems like Keane, Dcl and Coleman have made the grade/level of improvement under Carlo.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/UqqfY0KlivBlfaPrCn/giphy.gif)

We'll have none of that in my who's happy thread thank you very much.

Go make your own, we were great, but this, this and this needs fixing.

Otherwise, this is the kiss ass thread.

Thank you.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Robioto on September 19, 2020, 09:53:45 PM
It is a game against a team who might go down on record points. Mina was awful when wba had 11 players, he was ok when they had 10? Gomes was awful, always slowing everything down, never made a run, passing terrible. He thinks he is Eric Cantona. Everton need to sell him or let him play in a Cantona position. He 100% is not a cm midfielder that Everton need.

Fucking hell.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Fynci on September 19, 2020, 09:54:52 PM
It is a game against a team who might go down on record points. Mina was awful when wba had 11 players, he was ok when they had 10? Gomes was awful, always slowing everything down, never made a run, passing terrible. He thinks he is Eric Cantona. Everton need to sell him or let him play in a Cantona position. He 100% is not a cm midfielder that Everton need.

Have a rest, still not sold on you being an Evertonian btw, you have a lot of WUM qualities.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 09:59:31 PM
It is a game against a team who might go down on record points. Mina was awful when wba had 11 players, he was ok when they had 10? Gomes was awful, always slowing everything down, never made a run, passing terrible. He thinks he is Eric Cantona. Everton need to sell him or let him play in a Cantona position. He 100% is not a cm midfielder that Everton need.

In the nicest possible way, piss you off you dull cunt.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: love is love on September 19, 2020, 10:09:19 PM
In the nicest possible way, piss you off you dull cunt.

 :hug:<3
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: sam of the south on September 19, 2020, 10:13:09 PM
Trouble is, history suggests we canít win the league, now: in 1984/85 we lost 4-1 at home to Spurs, and then lost 2-1 at West Brom, before pissing the title with 90 points.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 10:14:55 PM
Our midfield today:

Gomes 89% passing on 78 attempts (17-25 attacking third), 1 chance created, 3 tackles, 6 ball recoveries.
Allan 90% passing on 85 attempts (16-21 attacking third), 1 dribble, 5 tackles, 10 ball recoveries.
Doucoure 95% passing on 57 attempts (10-12 attacking third), 2 tackles, 3 ball recoveries.

They were all very good.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TheTone on September 19, 2020, 10:19:13 PM
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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 10:20:49 PM
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I'll see your monkey boobie gif and raise you a monkey boobie gif.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: love is love on September 19, 2020, 10:24:23 PM
What happened to the Gomes is good posts? He is terrible
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
What happened to the Gomes is good posts? He is terrible

Give it a rest mate. Either you're not an Everton fan (quite plausible), or you're an unbelievably miserable Everton fan who can't judge the mood of a room, and has no self awareness.

Neither is a good look.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: love is love on September 19, 2020, 10:29:15 PM
Give it a rest mate. Either you're not an Everton fan (quite plausible), or you're an unbelievably miserable Everton fan who can't judge the mood of a room, and has no self awareness.

Neither is a good look.
?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: love is love on September 19, 2020, 10:32:43 PM
Give it a rest mate. Either you're not an Everton fan (quite plausible), or you're an unbelievably miserable Everton fan who can't judge the mood of a room, and has no self awareness.

Neither is a good look.
you are just a twat
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Gary1878 on September 19, 2020, 10:33:59 PM
For all of our previous faults in the last few years and all of the money spent, our ambition looks like it has finally paid off.

There is no doubt we will finish in the top 10 this year, and we have to really make a go for top 6 and possibly top 4 depending on our position going into the second half of the season. Itís not getting carried away, itís just being realistic and setting positive targets. If we think James has come here to just sit in 8th position and be happy with that, well, he wonít.

No doubt we need to manage our key players and not overload them at the start of the season. The cups are important but league progress and European qualification is the key for me.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 19, 2020, 10:34:20 PM
you are just a twat

Devastating wit and repartee, you wordsmith you.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 10:38:59 PM
Devastating wit and repartee, you wordsmith you.

Your face is a wordsmith.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: MexicanToffee on September 19, 2020, 10:39:44 PM
:hug:<3
Kopites are funny fuckers. Spend all their time telling the world how little we matter to them but spend so much effort in creating fake profiles to post bollocks on our sites. .... the gift that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 19, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
;D

The world is basically ending all around us, and I could give a tin shit right now.  Up the Muthafuckin' Toffees!!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 19, 2020, 10:56:13 PM
Everyone except Cazoo. Not sure they can afford this £1000 a goal they agreed to give to EiTC! 😉
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 10:57:26 PM
Everyone except Cazoo. Not sure they can afford this £1000 a goal they agreed to give to EiTC! 😉

You kidding? This is actual footage of Cazoo HQ after we signed James.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 19, 2020, 11:01:04 PM
You kidding? This is actual footage of Cazoo HQ after we signed James.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7aTFWIdZi4kRVijm/giphy.gif)

I know but I wanted to make a hilarious joke about how many goals were going to score, let me have my fun!!!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 19, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
I know but I wanted to make a hilarious joke about how many goals were going to score, let me have my fun!!!

You know I'm powerless when it comes to posting gifs.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 19, 2020, 11:04:47 PM
What happened to the Gomes is good posts? He is terrible

Hi there kopite twat :)
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: 74Blue on September 20, 2020, 01:11:45 AM
Absolutely delighted at 6 points from 2 games in, having played Spurs away, where we have had no joy at all for many a year, and having come back from a goal behind today to stuff WBA 5-2.

Plenty of work still to be done, particularly defensively, but we can all see true progress has been made and have the pleasure of watching James fucking Rodriguez in the famous Royal Blue, pinging delightful balls all over the shop.

What's not to like?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: bigdunc9 on September 20, 2020, 01:19:57 AM
I for one am buzzing!! Made up with 3 wins in a row even if one of them was Salford. Roll on Wednesday!!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 20, 2020, 01:52:12 AM
Do not engage the moron.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on September 20, 2020, 02:14:30 AM
Just watching Arsenal - West Ham and thinking back to when we were choosing between Moyes and Carlo last Christmas.

We're only 2 league games into the season but the change in our club over the last 2 months, let alone the last 10, has been monumental.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on September 20, 2020, 02:17:21 AM
Had a bad first half Andre like.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TheTone on September 20, 2020, 02:24:00 AM
I for one am buzzing!! Made up with 3 wins in a row even if one of them was Spurs. Roll on Wednesday!!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Gash on September 20, 2020, 04:25:09 AM
Didn't manage to see the game so can't buzz off the performance but it's slightly bitter sweet. Good win and a great start to the season but we usually try to get down to the first home game of the season, it would have been brilliant today, I love Goodison on bright sunny day like it was and the place would have been absolutely bouncing. I really missed Goodison today.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on September 20, 2020, 04:39:46 AM
Didn't manage to see the game so can't buzz of the performance but it's slightly bitter sweet. Good win and a great start to the season but we usually try to get to the first home game of the season, it would have been brilliant today, I love Goodison on bright sunny day like it was and the place would have been absolutely bouncing. I really missed Goodison today.

I'm taking consolation from the fact that I've been saved what most certainly would have been an almighty bollocking off my bird for how smashed I would have ended up today.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 20, 2020, 05:02:22 AM
Boss going to bed top of the league
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 20, 2020, 07:41:45 AM
To be honest I was pretty gutted with this game. We have gone so long without winning anything and when we let in that free kick, for a moment I was dreaming... I thought we could maybe hold on for a 2-2 and take the drawing to westbrom cup of the redshite. but I guess the old mentality is hard to shift and in the end we threw the draw away with some very naive attacking play
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Undisputed_blue on September 21, 2020, 04:27:01 AM
I think I save my happiness for next week when we whoop Crystal Palace with six goals.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on September 21, 2020, 09:06:16 AM
I think the best thing Saturday was when West Brom scored to make it 2-2. I felt a right smug cunt knowing weíd still win the game comfortably. In fact, looking forward to the ensuing onslaught of an inferior team that needed to be put in their place. Twas a glimpse into what it must be like like being a Man U fan back in the day, a City fan now(ish) or older in 84-87.

At 3-2 I was smoking cigars and blowing rings and just enjoying the ride.  The glue sniffing days of Bournemouth (3-3) and Leicester (2-3) anxiety of yesteryear seemed like a lifetime ago.

I never want to wake up!

Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: sam of the south on September 21, 2020, 03:03:21 PM
I think the best thing Saturday was when West Brom scored to make it 2-2. I felt a right smug cunt knowing weíd still win the game comfortably. In fact, looking forward to the ensuing onslaught of an inferior team that needed to be put in their place. Twas a glimpse into what it must be like like being a Man U fan back in the day, a City fan now(ish) or older in 84-87.

At 3-2 I was smoking cigars and blowing rings and just enjoying the ride.  The glue sniffing days of Bournemouth (3-3) and Leicester (2-3) anxiety of yesteryear seemed like a lifetime ago.

I never want to wake up!



I see what youíre saying, but letís not forget, we had the luxury of a man advantage.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 21, 2020, 04:33:19 PM
I see what youíre saying, but letís not forget, we had the luxury of a man advantage.

Yeah, i still wouldn't have been confident over the last few years - They'd have become more difficult to break down and we'd have huffed and puffed. Maybe we sneak one (maybe they sneak one even).

There was an element of doubt in my mind when they scored. Also, when DCLs goal went for review. But after that i knew we'd roll past them.

And yeah, like @Elgoodo1978 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3367) , when they equalised, after my initial burst of anger/'here we go' i just knew it didn't matter. We had the legs and quality to stretch the fuck out of them and bag a couple.

This is, 100%, just a different team and feeling.
It wont last for 38 games and we'll fuck up at times. But hopefully that game lets everyone know that you can't just turn up and expect to beat "weaker" teams - because there's no such thing in this league really.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Verm on September 21, 2020, 05:12:31 PM
Feel much happier if we get another centre half in.


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Gary Todd on September 21, 2020, 05:23:54 PM
I'm fucking flabagasted how anyone ANYONE can make such derogatory  comments about Mina or Gomes OK we need a new Cb but Mina is a good player fair enough he has his wobbly moments but all in all he's OK and as for Gomes he's proven quality he returned not long ago from an horrific injury give him time ffs and this is a( are we happy thread) what does it take for some to be happy we are two games in having played spurs off the park last week at there place and done wba 5_2 Dcl is coming into his own we all use to comment how he didnt score enough (including me) and yet two games in he's scored 4 proper strikers goals we have a solid quality midfield in Allen and Doucore and an absolute gem in James what a player to be wearing our shirt with him and Richarlison we are gonna smash the prem this season I've never been as confident of us having a real shot at top 6 even yeah I will say it fuck it top 4.... We have the best manager we have had in many a year and personally no I'm not happy I'm fuckin over the moon at where we are heading Carlo has only been with us short time and look who he's brought in what does next year hold and the year after that, Very happy days are on the way and I'm loving it

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toddacelli on September 21, 2020, 05:40:59 PM
Had a bad first half Andre like.

Yup.

I don't agree @love is love (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7320) but there's better ways to talk to each other and disagree on here. If we can't keep it civil when we're this fucking happy, then god help us when we lose one.

Gomes - still playing his way back, doesn't look fully fit but looks classy and now we're seeing more tangible end product from him.
Mina - he shit out a couple of times, and that pissed me off, but he's always needed a run of games to get going. When he plays regularly, he's much better so I expect him to improve every week.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Gary1878 on September 21, 2020, 05:58:42 PM
The great thing for me is that we aren't even at full speed yet. We didn't really have to get out of 2nd gear against West Brom (well at least James didn't - zero sprints in the game!), and I although I thought we played very well at Spurs, we didn't have to be at our very best there either.

Gomes has started slowly, but I like his passing range and the way he has been linking with the others has been great. This team needs to be built as a unit, not as individuals, and if he fits in well, then he stays as far as I'm concerned.

No doubt that we have some very interesting fixtures coming up against form teams, so we will be forced to step it up. Palace, WBA and Liverpool have all started well, so I can't wait to see how we do!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on September 21, 2020, 06:27:22 PM

This is, 100%, just a different team and feeling.
It wont last for 38 games and we'll fuck up at times. But hopefully that game lets everyone know that you can't just turn up and expect to beat "weaker" teams - because there's no such thing in this league really.

100% this, at the back of mind I'm expecting to be knocked back to earth at some point but I'm living in the moment.  I cant remember the last time not being totally stressed out watching a game, especially being behind etc.

The transformation, so far, has been phenomenal in such a short space of time.  The fluidity of our play now is night and day from anything I've seen for a long time and if/when we get that wrong, our set pieces are deadly.  And through all this it feels like we are somehow getting some sort of identity back.   
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: sam of the south on September 21, 2020, 09:09:14 PM
Yeah, i still wouldn't have been confident over the last few years - They'd have become more difficult to break down and we'd have huffed and puffed. Maybe we sneak one (maybe they sneak one even).

There was an element of doubt in my mind when they scored. Also, when DCLs goal went for review. But after that i knew we'd roll past them.

And yeah, like @Elgoodo1978 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3367) , when they equalised, after my initial burst of anger/'here we go' i just knew it didn't matter. We had the legs and quality to stretch the fuck out of them and bag a couple.

This is, 100%, just a different team and feeling.
It wont last for 38 games and we'll fuck up at times. But hopefully that game lets everyone know that you can't just turn up and expect to beat "weaker" teams - because there's no such thing in this league really.

Yeah, I agree, but I wouldnít have been anywhere near as confident if it had remained 11 v 11, though. A large slice of that will be my own Martinez/Silva PTSD, but we still donít look great at the back.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: schleffera on September 21, 2020, 09:30:06 PM
Itís great. Iíve an 8 yr old in a class where all bar 1 follow the other lot - and he was finding it hard, being a focal point for their shite. Heís loving it, albeit a bit incredulous!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2020, 09:33:28 PM
Itís great. Iíve an 8 yr old in a class where all bar 1 follow the other lot - and he was finding it hard, being a focal point for their shite. Heís loving it, albeit a bit incredulous!

At least he'll grow up grounded, with a healthy perspective on the world, rather than having the mentality of a cult member who thinks that everything belongs to him, everyone loves him and nothing bad should ever be allowed to happen to him.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on September 27, 2020, 12:32:59 AM
Fucking bump


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on September 27, 2020, 12:38:37 AM
Not me. There was that one time that one guy did that thing wrong. Unacceptable!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 27, 2020, 04:44:22 AM
Class being able to watch match of the day again. Haven't been able to watch it much these past few seasons.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on September 27, 2020, 05:00:41 AM
Class being able to watch match of the day again. Haven't been able to watch it much these past few seasons.

Just poured myself a little whiskey
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Tinga on September 27, 2020, 05:06:41 AM
Class being able to watch match of the day again. Haven't been able to watch it much these past few seasons.

First time I've watched this since that United game maybe?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Old England Toffee on September 27, 2020, 05:11:07 AM
Class being able to watch match of the day again. Haven't been able to watch it much these past few seasons.
god yeah x10. and in general to listen to pundits commentators. the change in feeling towards us has been as drastic as our change in midfield.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Undisputed_blue on September 27, 2020, 05:12:16 AM
Still not happy as we didn't beat Palace 6 nil.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Omar on September 27, 2020, 05:14:10 AM
yippie-kai-yeah, motherfuckers!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Tinga on September 27, 2020, 05:14:40 AM
stonewall that..
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 04, 2020, 11:31:28 AM
No norwegian wood for poor old Ole.

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You should have signed James instead of James, were having a right old time over here, getting down to get down to goodison park even though we cant get down to goodison park
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 04, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
I've watched match of the day more this season than I have for the last 3 or 4 combined.

And I enjoy that they're spending minimal time on our opponents now, rather than looking for reasons for our win in the deficiencies of others.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: everton15 on October 04, 2020, 03:21:31 PM
just feels like the 80s under howard.....if we fuck up we sort of know the goals will come  - amazing feeling-  happy fucking days
and
no Europe to distract us
KEEP IT GOING CARLO
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: 74Blue on October 04, 2020, 05:00:41 PM
I've watched match of the day more this season than I have for the last 3 or 4 combined.

And I enjoy that they're spending minimal time on our opponents now, rather than looking for reasons for our win in the deficiencies of others.
100% this. For the first time in a good few years, I find myself checking what time MOTD is on and making sure I'm seated comfortably with beer in hand to watch the highlights of our game. I must say though that considering we were first up last night, they didn't really show very much of the game. It just seemed to be the goals and fuck all else. There was no mention of the constant clogging of James and Richarlison, whereas when it's one of the media darlings, they analyse the shit out of it. Probably just me reading to much into it, but considering it was a game with six goals in it, it just seemed a bit shit that we didn't get to see very much apart from the goals. They even covered the minutes silence for the busy AND the taking to the knee for Chelsea's game, whilst just showing the goals in our game.
Title: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: arteta4spain on October 04, 2020, 08:40:54 PM
Back on top due to the West Ham result! Well in Moyesy!
Hopefully Rossssss and Villa can get something from the shite


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Title: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on October 04, 2020, 09:05:22 PM
Last time we won seven on the trot (albeit they were all league games) we went on and won the title.

Unfortunately that last seven game streak was ended by our next opponents...


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Free Agent on October 04, 2020, 09:48:06 PM
Last time we won seven on the trot (albeit they were all league games) we went on and won the title.

Unfortunately that last seven game streak was ended by our next opponents...


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The run in 1894/95? I read we won the next one 3-0 and it was against the shite.  ???
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: arteta4spain on October 04, 2020, 09:52:08 PM
The run in 1894/95? I read we won the next one 3-0 and it was against the shite.  ???
Thatís what I thought too! 🤷🏻‍♂️


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on October 04, 2020, 09:56:07 PM
The run in 1894/95? I read we won the next one 3-0 and it was against the shite.  ???
No the one in 86/87.


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Gary1878 on October 04, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
We could be top for two weeks should Liverpool not get enough goals or the win this evening🤩🤩
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: ajax_andy on October 04, 2020, 10:13:17 PM
Back on top due to the West Ham result! Well in Moyesy!
Hopefully Rossssss and Villa can get something from the shite


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Seeing us completely destroy teams who do well against our competitors for top 4 gives me great hope... We smashed West Brom and they drew with Chelsea, we smashed West Ham and they beat Leicester 3-0 away, we comfortably beat Brighton who did well and were extremely unlucky against Man U.

We seem the outlier of all teams with our results so far.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 04, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Seeing us completely destroy teams who do well against our competitors for top 4 gives me great hope... We smashed West Brom and they drew with Chelsea, we smashed West Ham and they beat Leicester 3-0 away, we comfortably beat Brighton who did well and were extremely unlucky against Man U.

We seem the outlier of all teams with our results so far.

I'm happy with our play just like everyone else, but you know those results comparisons don't actually mean anything, yeah?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: ajax_andy on October 04, 2020, 10:24:31 PM
I'm happy with our play just like everyone else, but you know those results comparisons don't actually mean anything, yeah?

You can't really base anything on them, it's just nice to see teams we're comfortably beating getting results against our main rivals for top 4.

Does West Ham beating Leicester mean we'd also beat the latter if we played them at the weekend? No.  Does it give me more belief and excitement that we might?. Absolutely!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: pjk on October 04, 2020, 11:11:07 PM
That win against Spurs is looking pretty good. Man Utd 1 Spurs 4. Come on you mighty blues!!!  ;D
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 05, 2020, 01:51:19 AM
The secret is Cazoo. Undefeated across both teams so far, nobody would have said that at the start of the season!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 05, 2020, 01:54:02 AM
Didn't villa lose in the rumbalows cup?
The secret is Cazoo. Undefeated across both teams so far, nobody would have said that at the start of the season!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bob Latcford on October 05, 2020, 01:55:08 AM
Happy now Red Shite are 3-1 down 4-1 now
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: kerryblue boy on October 05, 2020, 01:58:47 AM
4-1 now
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: ajax_andy on October 05, 2020, 02:06:47 AM
Just had a look at the last two premier league final tables and looks like on average it's 20 wins to finish top 4 (4th = 21 in 18/19 & 18 in 19/20).

So 4 down 16 to go.  Can we win 16 of the next 34 matches?  Doesn't seem too much of a stretch does it?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Fynci on October 05, 2020, 02:07:04 AM
Unless the RS get their usual breaks we might well be 3 points up! Dream start.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: SonOfSheedy on October 05, 2020, 02:09:01 AM
I'm not having any more of this 2020 being a shit year rubbish. Dreaming now.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 05, 2020, 02:20:17 AM
Dont think Ive ever felt more like singing the blues
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 05, 2020, 02:27:57 AM
A ridiculous scoreline. Why is my fear 5:4 to the shite? That Barca game scarred me.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 05, 2020, 02:32:07 AM
A ridiculous scoreline. Why is my fear 5:4 to the shite? That Barca game scarred me.

Are you even an Everton fan if you weren't still assuming it'll end 5-4 at half time?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: arteta4spain on October 05, 2020, 02:33:34 AM
Back on top due to the West Ham result! Well in Moyesy!
Hopefully Rossssss and Villa can get something from the shite


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 05, 2020, 02:34:15 AM
Pleased for Ross
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Cozzie on October 05, 2020, 02:37:30 AM
Not saying a word until the whistle blows.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mac934 on October 05, 2020, 02:40:58 AM
Are we in a parallel universe? WTF are these results about? Spurs dumping United 6-1 on their turf, Leicester beet City 5-2, West Ham turn over Leicester 3-0, Villa humping the shite 5-1, and we are on a 7 game winning streak!
Long may it continue.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: arteta4spain on October 05, 2020, 02:47:30 AM
Are we in a parallel universe? WTF are these results about? Spurs dumping United 6-1 on their turf, Leicester beet City 5-2, West Ham turn over Leicester 3-0, Villa humping the shite 5-1, and we are on a 7 game winning streak!
Long may it continue.
Make that 6-1 itís a weird crazy season so far and itís boss!


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: SonOfSheedy on October 05, 2020, 02:55:02 AM
And 7.. I don't know what the fuck is going on this season, but I'm all over it. All those years of my red mates taking the piss, given back to me in a hamper, with ribbons on it.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 05, 2020, 02:55:52 AM
7 fucking 2!!! My word. The world is a beautiful place right now.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on October 05, 2020, 03:16:41 AM
Keep the fans away and these crazy score lines will keep coming.


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mac934 on October 05, 2020, 03:18:23 AM
7 fucking 2!!! My word. The world is a beautiful place right now.
If only that result was in two weeks time!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Robioto on October 05, 2020, 03:24:06 AM
I'm going to be a wreck going into the derby. Surely it has to be our time?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: SonOfSheedy on October 05, 2020, 03:25:22 AM
Looking at the table now, it's like something from the 80's
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 05, 2020, 03:33:03 AM
Just had a look at the last two premier league final tables and looks like on average it's 20 wins to finish top 4 (4th = 21 in 18/19 & 18 in 19/20).

So 4 down 16 to go.  Can we win 16 of the next 34 matches?  Doesn't seem too much of a stretch does it?

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Cozzie on October 05, 2020, 03:34:03 AM
Hmmmmm!!!!

https://twitter.com/EllBretland/status/1312848757260800002
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Post by: ajax_andy on October 05, 2020, 03:35:28 AM
...and Everton win their final game of the season to pip Aston Villa to the league title, what an achievement. Despite a late Salah equaliser Liverpool still finish bottom of the league and are relegated to the championship alongside Manchester United and Fulham.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Trowel on October 05, 2020, 03:41:04 AM
Allisson out of the derby too 🤔
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on October 05, 2020, 04:11:32 AM
Allisson out of the derby too 🤔

I'm desperately trying not to get excited...but it's getting more and more difficult!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Waltzer on October 05, 2020, 04:16:17 AM
I'm desperately trying not to get excited...but it's getting more and more difficult!
Just need VVD to pick up an injury for Holland now and we're quids in

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Escla on October 05, 2020, 04:19:38 AM
Just need VVD to pick up an injury for Holland now and we're quids in

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Oh, Iíd be happy to have the totally ineffective VDV of today play against us.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mouse on October 05, 2020, 04:20:56 AM
Will you all stop with the derby optimism? I want to join in but the blue fatalist in me knows what happens when I get too excited.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on October 05, 2020, 04:42:27 AM
Cautiously optimistic. Letís see what team we can field for a start.


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: ncstate4jpc on October 05, 2020, 08:54:59 AM
Hope we score 8 on Adrian, canít stand him
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 05, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
I'm desperately trying not to get excited...but it's getting more and more difficult!

I remember they used their third choice keeper a few years ago and we didn't shoot at him for 90 fucking minutes.. this is a different Everton like but it still angers me.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Robioto on October 06, 2020, 09:27:16 PM
I want to talk about our defence. I've seen so many fans of various rival clubs in the Premier League saying they are short at the back in either the full back positions or centre back positions.

It made me think... ours is pretty complete now, we have good and in some cases great players in all positions and I think on paper we are up there with the best in the league now. I really believe other clubs will be enviously looking our way as the season goes on.

I know the right back position is looking the weakest, but Coleman has proven he still has a huge part to play and while Kenny isn't great, he's ok for now and is probably the only blemish.

DC - Keane / Mina / Holgate / Godfrey
DR - Coleman / Kenny
DL - Digne / Nkounkou

Nkounkou is obviously still young and inexperienced but I think he has shown he is capable of stepping in if Digne is out. Digne for me is the best left back in the league and one of the best in Europe, he is off the scale really, I absolutely love watching him play.

Then out four centre backs, Keane seems to be getting better every game and Mina now with a run in the team is showing what a mad bastard he is, but also showing his quality. Holgate has been great whenever he has played since the start of last season and in Godfrey it seems we have bought one of the most talented young centre backs in the country. I haven't even mentioned Braithwaite, but realistically I think his opportunities this year will be limited.

Anyway, I was feeling pretty smug when reading fans from other clubs complaining about their back 4 and thought I'd celebrate what we now have. (I've deliberately not mentioned Pickford, this is about our back 4)
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
I want to talk about our defence. I've seen so many fans of various rival clubs in the Premier League saying they are short at the back in either the full back positions or centre back positions.

It made me think... ours is pretty complete now, we have good and in some cases great players in all positions and I think on paper we are up there with the best in the league now. I really believe other clubs will be enviously looking our way as the season goes on.

I know the right back position is looking the weakest, but Coleman has proven his still has a huge part to play and while Kenny isn't great, he's ok for now and is probably the only blemish.

DC - Keane / Mina / Holgate / Godfrey
DR - Coleman / Kenny
DL - Digne / Nkounkou

Nkounkou is obviously still young and inexperienced but I think he has shown he is capable of stepping in if Digne is out. Digne for me is the best left back in the league and one of the best in Europe, he is off the scale really, I absolutely love watching him play.

Then out four centre backs, Keane seems to be getting better every game and Mina now with a run in the team is showing what a mad bastard he is, but also showing his quality. Holgate has been great whenever he has played since the start of last season and in Godfrey it seems we have bought one of the most talented young centre backs in the country. I haven't even mentioned Braithwaite, but realistically I think his opportunities this year will be limited.

Anyway, I was feeling pretty smug when reading fans from other clubs complaining about their back 4 and thought I'd celebrate what we now have. (I've deliberately not mentioned Pickford, this is about our back 4)

Completely agreed. I think once Holgate is back we have what can be considered a very strong back 4.

And that's not even taking into consideration the cover Allan, and eventually/hopefully Gbamin provide. Many teams don't have anywhere near that luxury in a "back 6" if you will.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 10:28:27 PM
I think the problem is that 4 of those players - Keane, Mina, Holgate, Coleman are capable of putting in long, long periods of relegation level performances.

Two of them are youth players in Kenny and Nkounkou and I'm being kind to Kenny.

Godfrey is the seventh and a new signing, who is projected to be *less* reliable than the 4 above.

And finally our parisien prince du balon Lucas Digne.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 06, 2020, 10:36:41 PM
I think the problem is that 4 of those players - Keane, Mina, Holgate, Coleman are capable of putting in long, long periods of relegation level performances.

Two of them are youth players in Kenny and Nkounkou and I'm being kind to Kenny.

Godfrey is the seventh and a new signing, who is projected to be *less* reliable than the 4 above.

And finally our parisien prince du balon Lucas Digne.
Well you've shit all over that for us brap.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 10:39:47 PM
Well you've shit all over that for us brap.

I think we're looking good and I like almost all of the players who will be playing, but can't ignore the last few years and some the performances some of these have put in in that time.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 06, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
I think the problem is that 4 of those players - Keane, Mina, Holgate, Coleman are capable of putting in long, long periods of relegation level performances.

Two of them are youth players in Kenny and Nkounkou and I'm being kind to Kenny.

Godfrey is the seventh and a new signing, who is projected to be *less* reliable than the 4 above.

And finally our parisien prince du balon Lucas Digne.

Bit harsh on Holgate there.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 06, 2020, 10:47:26 PM
I think we're looking good and I like almost all of the players who will be playing, but can't ignore the last few years and some the performances some of these have put in in that time.
To be fair to the defenders, Silva's brand of football left them wide open for counter attacks all day long. Some of the best defenders in the league would have looked poor in that system with those midfielders in front.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Omar on October 06, 2020, 10:47:31 PM
Bit harsh on Holgate there.

Coleman as well.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 10:50:10 PM
Bit harsh on Holgate there.

Has six months at absolute max of good performances, and they were very good, but he's not done it for long enough.

Before that he was the worst kind of mid table centre back, not big enough tough enough or ugly enough to mix it, not good enough on the ball to John stones it.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 10:50:59 PM
Coleman as well.

Has been absolutely horrible for two years and will never last the whole season playing at full pelt like he is at the minute. Am I going crazy, surely we remember the games before this immediate last 7 games?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 10:51:43 PM
To be fair to the defenders, Silva's brand of football left them wide open for counter attacks all day long. Some of the best defenders in the league would have looked poor in that system with those midfielders in front.

Very good point, agree with that.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Omar on October 06, 2020, 10:55:58 PM
Has six months at absolute max of good performances, and they were very good, but he's not done it for long enough.

Before that he was the worst kind of mid table centre back, not big enough tough enough or ugly enough to mix it, not good enough on the ball to John stones it.

Agree to disagree, mate. The quality of players in front and the system certainly had an impact as well.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 06, 2020, 10:57:38 PM
Has been absolutely horrible for two years and will never last the whole season playing at full pelt like he is at the minute. Am I going crazy, surely we remember the games before this immediate last 7 games?
They share some of the blame for how shit we were, but for me mainly they were left high and dry by a shite midfield and (before Ancelotti) a poorly organised defensive set up, with the same attack time and time again broken up and countered with very poor cover.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 06, 2020, 11:01:37 PM
Has six months at absolute max of good performances, and they were very good, but he's not done it for long enough.

Before that he was the worst kind of mid table centre back, not big enough tough enough or ugly enough to mix it, not good enough on the ball to John stones it.

I only said a bit harsh, not that it was harsh.

Young lad, looked exceptional with a functioning block in front of him. Think it's reasonable to expect he will continue with the form he has shown in this system rather than the form shown in a previous one is all.

But your general point about the defence is difficult to argue with completely.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 11:04:48 PM
I only said a bit harsh, not that it was harsh.

Young lad, looked exceptional with a functioning block in front of him. Think it's reasonable to expect he will continue with the form he has shown in this system rather than the form shown in a previous one is all.

But your general point about the defence is difficult to argue with completely.

I think he took a big step last season, but swallows and summers for me when it comes to Holgate.

It's a shame he isn't fit because I would have liked to see if he could carry on or even kick on again this year - if so we could be really pleased with him, but he's just not done it long enough for me.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 06, 2020, 11:06:47 PM
I think he took a big step last season, but swallows and summers for me when it comes to Holgate.

It's a shame he isn't fit because I would have liked to see if he could carry on or even kick on again this year - if so we could be really pleased with him, but he's just not done it long enough for me.

oh, i'm just coming from a place where even Sigurdsson has a place in the squad - every Everton player is as good as it gets in his position and that mindset will no doubt last until half time of our next match.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on October 06, 2020, 11:10:37 PM
The bonkers thing with all this is that really itís been down to just 3 MIDFIELD signings and a world class manager, who knew the 3 needed to be completely different types of players. He also got us a Leader and a prime time superstar in the process. The other players have responded (so far) and most have been pulled up level. 

A total contrast to the three No 10s/Midfielders we signed under Koeman. We have literally been trying to clean that stink up since.


Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Robioto on October 06, 2020, 11:19:44 PM
I think the problem is that 4 of those players - Keane, Mina, Holgate, Coleman are capable of putting in long, long periods of relegation level performances.

Two of them are youth players in Kenny and Nkounkou and I'm being kind to Kenny.

Godfrey is the seventh and a new signing, who is projected to be *less* reliable than the 4 above.

And finally our parisien prince du balon Lucas Digne.

That shit all over my post, thanks brap was feeling positive!

That was a negative and right now I need two positives. You know, one to cancel out the negative and another one just so I can have a positive.

Joking aside, I do think you are being a little overly harsh, but I do see where you are coming from. Let's hope the team continue to kick on, Doucoure and Allan will also make these defenders better too leaving them less exposed.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mouse on October 06, 2020, 11:36:47 PM
Joking aside, I do think you are being a little overly harsh, but I do see where you are coming from. Let's hope the team continue to kick on, Doucoure and Allan will also make these defenders better too leaving them less exposed.
A good point and I think it is something we overlook. To put it cudely, last season we had a pair of open crotch knickers protectiong our defence, this season we've gone for full on chastity belt with the optional extra padlocks. You can see the difference, not only in how we defend but the coinfidence players have playing out from the back.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 11:42:58 PM
Plus let's not get started on the age profiles. Wonder where we can find a 23 year old James Rodriguez clone when we get into Europe next year and need a new one
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Shogun on October 06, 2020, 11:48:24 PM
Plus let's not get started on the age profiles. Wonder where we can find a 23 year old James Rodriguez clone when we get into Europe next year and need a new one

Can just imagine your home life.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2020, 11:58:01 PM
The defence is sound.

Four very good centre halves there.

One great left back with a very good young player as back up, too early to make any predictions on Nkounkou

Right back is a worry. Coleman canít do it every week, Kenny is poor, but box that next summer and you have your defence sorted for years to come.

Donít get the negativity from Brap myself. 

As good a defence as weíve had for absolute years.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 07, 2020, 12:10:16 AM
Correct me if I'm totally wrong, brap, but I feel like your skepticism is a kind of unconscious corrective to a lot of blues getting majorly carried away and talking about title challenges or Top 4. I do it myself. If I'm wrong, fair enough.

But really the squad is looking a lot better than it did. There's a lot of young talent emerging at the club. Also, it will be much easier to attract a 23 year old James next summer, because we have a 29 year old real deal James that he would want to play with (not to mention Ancelotti to play for, an attacking football team to join and presumably a much improved finishing position this season).
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 07, 2020, 12:17:18 AM
Also, dunno about you guys, but i suspect a 30 year old James and a 31 year old James is still probably going to be pretty decent
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 07, 2020, 02:56:42 AM
Correct me if I'm totally wrong, brap, but I feel like your skepticism is a kind of unconscious corrective to a lot of blues getting majorly carried away and talking about title challenges or Top 4. I do it myself. If I'm wrong, fair enough.

But really the squad is looking a lot better than it did. There's a lot of young talent emerging at the club. Also, it will be much easier to attract a 23 year old James next summer, because we have a 29 year old real deal James that he would want to play with (not to mention Ancelotti to play for, an attacking football team to join and presumably a much improved finishing position this season).

Ah I can deffo be a bit like that to be honest, but I am actually starting to daydream about champions League qualification myself so maybe I'm subconsciously reigning myself in!

The squad is looking a LOT better than it was, and if you'd have offered me this at the start of the window - two starting CM's, a genuine elite creator for the right and athletic depth at CB I'd have bitten your arm off...

But our starting back four is the one place we haven't upgraded for the time being. Yes the top coach is helping and yes the fact the coach also doesn't go into games with his cheeks spread is helping, but Mina, Keane and Holgate absolutely have a bit of unreliability about them, and they are still the same players they were 12 months ago.

We have seen with our own eyes these exact players put in genuinely worrying performances, sometimes for long stretches...and the manager was looking to bring in a cl level CB in Gabriel before the purse strings got pulled so clearly I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 07, 2020, 03:03:09 AM
Relegation level performances? Not since Don Carlo has arrived, and I certainly doubt with some actual protection in front of them.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 07, 2020, 03:39:22 AM
Can just imagine your home life.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on October 07, 2020, 03:49:27 AM
Relegation level performances? Not since Don Carlo has arrived, and I certainly doubt with some actual protection in front of them.

Post lockdown we were absolutely dreadful like, but we did manage to pull some results out.

I'm not saying like we could get R worded or anything but we've certainly been in R word form with these exact players in recent memory, right? And they are the same players?

What, do we all think that all defensive issues are gone do we and we'll never see Micheal Keane stranded in no man's land with a ball clipped over his head again?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TheRam on October 07, 2020, 04:27:26 AM
Post lockdown we were absolutely dreadful like, but we did manage to pull some results out.

I'm not saying like we could get R worded or anything but we've certainly been in R word form with these exact players in recent memory, right? And they are the same players?

What, do we all think that all defensive issues are gone do we and we'll never see Micheal Keane stranded in no man's land with a ball clipped over his head again?


Weíll very rarely see it because Carlo wonít have us defending on the halfway line.

Theyíre managed by a fella thatís coached the best defenders of the last twenty years, not someone whoís managed Alex Bruce and Craig Cathcart.

Keane is developing into a very good centre half now, so is Holgate and Mina has been consistently good.

Maybe they looked bad in parts because they were playing in a bad team that offered them no protection? Now theyíre looking better because theyíre playing in a good team that doesnít leave them exposed.

With Godfrey thrown in I think we have one of the best collection of centre halves in the league now.

Certainly donít think youíll be seeing us ship five goals this season like city, United and Liverpool already have.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on October 07, 2020, 05:44:01 AM
We'll very rarely see it because Carlo won't have us defending on the halfway line.

They're managed by a fella that's coached the best defenders of the last twenty years, not someone who's managed Alex Bruce and Craig Cathcart.

Keane is developing into a very good centre half now, so is Holgate and Mina has been consistently good.

Maybe they looked bad in parts because they were playing in a bad team that offered them no protection? Now they're looking better because they're playing in a good team that doesn't leave them exposed.

With Godfrey thrown in I think we have one of the best collection of centre halves in the league now.

Certainly don't think you'll be seeing us ship five goals this season like city, United and Liverpool already have.
Oh ffs. That final paragraph.


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 07, 2020, 06:31:00 AM
Post lockdown we were absolutely dreadful like, but we did manage to pull some results out.

I'm not saying like we could get R worded or anything but we've certainly been in R word form with these exact players in recent memory, right? And they are the same players?

What, do we all think that all defensive issues are gone do we and we'll never see Micheal Keane stranded in no man's land with a ball clipped over his head again?


I know you're not suggesting the big R, but I think it's a stretch to say the defenders we have are capable of showing "R form"... or put it more like this, the system(s) we now employ won't allow for that. I guess all players are capable of R form if they play in a rubbish system...
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 07, 2020, 06:32:19 AM
Interesting the very, very deep line we're playing at set pieces when the entire rest of the league are playing very high lines. Particularly noticeable against Spurs and Brighton.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Ramjam on October 07, 2020, 09:28:40 AM
Interesting the very, very deep line we're playing at set pieces when the entire rest of the league are playing very high lines. Particularly noticeable against Spurs and Brighton.
I noticed that, it enables our defence to attack the ball when it gets delivered into the box rather than having to turn first and back peddle before challenging when facing our own goal. I think it makes a lot of sense


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 07, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
Mina should be coming into his prime and I think he bloody well is, time to adapt, learn english etc... this year hes gonna shine, inspired by his countryman, getting in the goals, and the dancing is worth 6 or 7 points a season(disclaimer you dont actually get points for dancing in football). Holgate 3 or 4 years younger which is a lot of human defender years, this season will be interesting watching him, hes come a long way the last few years with some unmanagers. Kenny I am yet to be convinced by, but again with decent coaching we will see if he can Cafu with the big boys. We've seen that if Carlo really doesnt think someone is up to scratch then you know about it (yes you theo), so maybe he sees enough promise in Kenny.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 07, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
Weíll very rarely see it because Carlo wonít have us defending on the halfway line.

Theyíre managed by a fella thatís coached the best defenders of the last twenty years, not someone whoís managed Alex Bruce and Craig Cathcart.

Keane is developing into a very good centre half now, so is Holgate and Mina has been consistently good.

Maybe they looked bad in parts because they were playing in a bad team that offered them no protection? Now theyíre looking better because theyíre playing in a good team that doesnít leave them exposed.

With Godfrey thrown in I think we have one of the best collection of centre halves in the league now.

Certainly donít think youíll be seeing us ship five goals this season like city, United and Liverpool already have.

Exactly this. For a CB like Keane who doesn't rely on pace, positioning is everything. Being in the right place at the right time - even having the right body position when possession is lost or a pass is played can mean the difference between comfortable and stranded. Formation, tactics and how well drilled the players around him are will all affect how we judge what he does, which isn't always a fair account if he's where the manager has asked him to be.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Cods on October 07, 2020, 03:25:27 PM
Disclaimer you dont actually get points for dancing in football
Then what do you call what James does around his many markers? :)
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Cods on October 07, 2020, 03:56:30 PM
Formation, tactics and how well drilled the players around him are will all affect how we judge what he does, which isn't always a fair account if he's where the manager has asked him to be.
Just like Gylfi.
Or any of the others that have so mysteriously improved with complete players and an experienced manager around them.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TheRam on October 07, 2020, 03:57:53 PM
Oh ffs. That final paragraph.


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To be fair we'll have the titlewrapped up in March so I can see us putting the kids out for a few games.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Old England Toffee on November 03, 2020, 09:41:16 AM
Were in a champions league spot
Best manager in the league
Top striker
James
Going into a game where we can go 9 points ahead of Manure
Doucoure
Allan
Sold a few, including Sandro!!
Glass is at least half full, and thats not weewee in that glass, thats lager fella, just looks like wee cos its just gone a bit flat, but thats fine your pretty drunk anyway, finish it up, Cahill has bought you your favourite crisps, big dunc is on his way with a crate of ale and Yerry Minas Djing.

If I had offered you all this last season you would have probably thought how would Cahil know what crisps I like?
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Escla on November 03, 2020, 01:38:27 PM
Were in a champions league spot
Best manager in the league
Top striker
James
Going into a game where we can go 9 points ahead of Manure
Doucoure
Allan
Sold a few, including Sandro!!
Glass is at least half full, and thats not weewee in that glass, thats lager fella, just looks like wee cos its just gone a bit flat, but thats fine your pretty drunk anyway, finish it up, Cahill has bought you your favourite crisps, big dunc is on his way with a crate of ale and Yerry Minas Djing.

If I had offered you all this last season you would have probably thought how would Cahil know what crisps I like?
Being in a champions league spot is a bit glass half empty when you consider that we are only three points better off that 13th place Crystal Palace and lose a few thatís where we will be.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Old England Toffee on November 03, 2020, 08:37:17 PM
Being in a champions league spot is a bit glass half empty when you consider that we are only three points better off that 13th place Crystal Palace and lose a few thatís where we will be.
but its only glass half empty if you think of it like that. Otherwise you can consider that we can beat Man u and go 9 clear of a one of the champions league competition
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 03, 2020, 08:50:08 PM
see where we are after 10 games beat Man u and fulham and get something from leeds 20pts from 10   great start,          still on 13pts after 10 then hard slog in december ,
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on November 03, 2020, 09:02:59 PM
Yeah so I think it's fair to say we generally allowed ourselves to think hello hello hello...

Reality is we were pretty good to be honest. We're still looking *quite* good in the metrics, but we need to tighten up defensively in a big way. We need to progress the ball better and get it into the box better too.

I think with our full side (read : Allan, James, DCL, Rich, Digne) I'm fairly confident against almost anyone. The midfield is in a better place in and out of possession. The attack is less reliant on Digne, and we have a force multiplier in James who adds a CL level of shot creating actions to the side.

The issue is...we are not going to have that full side available all the time, and we don't have the options in the squad to either a) address the issues or b) replace key players. James in particular is a known fitness worry. Allan is getting on. The midfield can do what it is doing but isn't going to discover some hidden ability for good passes or incisive dribbling.

It's that that will stop us from having a really really good year. But if we can have a good year, top 7 w/ positive metrics, retool and go again, we should be reasonably pleased.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Robioto on November 04, 2020, 12:02:46 AM
I'm probably the most miserable I've ever been now! Although the shite state of the world is the main contributor to that...
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: formerKHL on November 08, 2020, 11:02:44 PM
My reply from the expectations for the season thread.....

Progression.....is all Iím looking for this season....if we can finish as weíve started .......next season a top 4 challenge....

A season where as a fan I look forward to watching us play ....not fearing the result or the team weíre playing.......ala last Saturday......never doubted us getting a result last week....first time in 30 years felt like that.......

So far so good.........

Ask again in March....then the questions will either be raised again......or practically answered
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: blargins on November 08, 2020, 11:57:16 PM
Had a Leicester fan just rib me saying youíve had your fun, back to mid table you go.

Like as if theyíve been been decent for more than a couple of years.


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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: cantoffee on November 09, 2020, 12:39:38 AM
Last 4 games not good obviously but still in a good position if we can turn this around with the next 3 games being fulham, leeds, burnley before a tough run of games after that.

With Richy back we will have to make the most of these three matches or we will likely be making it hard on ourselves to get Europe.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: formerKHL on November 09, 2020, 12:40:38 AM
Iíd of asked him what the championship was like as weíve got no experience of playing in it...
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 09, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
I would like to revise and amend my original reply to this query.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Escla on November 09, 2020, 12:34:51 PM
Whatís to be happy about being 3 points, 1 result, off 15th place ? Itís always the hope that kills.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on November 09, 2020, 02:38:34 PM
In 7th place, which was the objective before season commenced. Currently on track.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: ajax_andy on November 09, 2020, 02:51:33 PM
I still think top 5 is achievable, but if the last few games have shown us anything, it's that we can't afford to be missing key players if we are to achieve that... Our first 11 is a top 4 challenging team, take one of two out and it's mid table (at best).
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on November 09, 2020, 03:36:34 PM
Whatís to be happy about being 3 points, 1 result, off 15th place ? Itís always the hope that kills.

OR 3 points, 1 result, off 4th place...
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 09, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
Next 3 games are big like.

7 points minimum from them.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: VBlue on November 09, 2020, 03:47:09 PM
I still think top 5 is achievable, but if the last few games have shown us anything, it's that we can't afford to be missing key players if we are to achieve that... Our first 11 is a top 4 challenging team, take one of two out and it's mid table (at best).

That would mean finishing ahead of three of Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves, Leicester, or Man Utd. I donít think we can put a better season together than any of them. 

We need Richarlison to play every game or we donít win games.

We need a fully fit James. We have no second striker that scores goals.

We need to find out what Doucoure does and where he affects games.

We have a massive drop in quality with our bench all over the pitch.

Other than just Ďbeliefí how do you think we finish 5th with this squad?

What happens if we lose DCL for any period, for example?




Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: sam of the south on November 09, 2020, 03:50:47 PM
If we carry on underutilising James/overexposing Coleman, and playing Sigurdsson, weíll be mid table.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Waltzer on November 09, 2020, 04:27:47 PM
We're still so light in terms of quality, teams will always find it easier to play against us when we have a few out. Keep James, Allan, Ricky, Digne and DCL fit for a majority of the season and we'll do ok. 1 or 2 of them out and you'll see how poor our recruitment really has been over the previous few years.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 09, 2020, 05:14:26 PM
Re: So, Who's Happy then?

Decent 11 - shite bench.

Ask me again after I see our January business.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Free Agent on November 09, 2020, 06:16:20 PM
Hope weíre spending wisely (I.e. a shitload of money!) in January. Oh and shift the remaining deadwood please.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: ajax_andy on November 09, 2020, 06:31:51 PM
That would mean finishing ahead of three of Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Wolves, Leicester, or Man Utd. I donít think we can put a better season together than any of them. 

We need Richarlison to play every game or we donít win games.

We need a fully fit James. We have no second striker that scores goals.

We need to find out what Doucoure does and where he affects games.

We have a massive drop in quality with our bench all over the pitch.

Other than just Ďbeliefí how do you think we finish 5th with this squad?

What happens if we lose DCL for any period, for example?






With a fully fit squad I'm confident we can certainly rival Wolves, Leicester and Chelsea, Man U possibly too if they don't get rid of OGS.

Leicester and Wolves are as heavily reliant on certain players being available to compete and we are, and whilst Man U and Chelsea have better squads they have vastly inferior managers.

You have to factor in that we don't have European footy either which the other teams all do.

Like I said with a fully fit squad for the majority of the season 5th is attainable, but if we continue to have players missing it won't be.  Other teams will lose players through fatigue and injuries from playing more games than us which levels the playing field if we can keep ours fit and firing.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2020, 06:34:04 PM
Not really sure how anyone can be happy. This Everton looks like every other Everton weíve seen for the last 10 years plus. The points total we have is due to early season form and we look to be now playing well below that.

Honestly itís just as disappointing as it ever was. Itís an endless mix of false dawns and disappointment

Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Waltzer on November 09, 2020, 07:08:55 PM


Not really sure how anyone can be happy. This Everton looks like every other Everton we've seen for the last 10 years plus. The points total we have is due to early season form and we look to be now playing well below that.

Honestly it's just as disappointing as it ever was. It's an endless mix of false dawns and disappointment

But that's the point everyone is making, the start of the season, ie fit squad, is a match for most. The drop in form, ie injured key players, isn't.
The early season form was there for a reason, if the shit players don't play we're better, it's not rocket science. Now Ricky is back and our injuries are getting better id expect us to get back on track, if they don't you might have a point.

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Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2020, 07:20:49 PM

But that's the point everyone is making, the start of the season, ie fit squad, is a match for most. The drop in form, ie injured key players, isn't.
The early season form was there for a reason, if the shit players don't play we're better, it's not rocket science. Now Ricky is back and our injuries are getting better id expect us to get back on track, if they don't you might have a point.

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Iím not really having that the performances against Southampton Newcastle are remotely acceptable or understandable regardless of injuries. We didnít make excuses for allardyces or Koemans or silvas teams playing like that when they couldnít play James or richalison or Allan so why do we make excuses now? At some point we have to find a way to be something other than inept when everything isnít perfect and everyone isnít fit.

Utd was pretty much a first team and it was still pretty bad. I think thereís a pretty reasonable chance weíll finish below the 7ths and 8ths our previous shitty managers achieved but with a much better squad

Honestly Iíve lost quite a lot of faith in ancelotti. Sigurdsson as vice captain, leaking goals, unable to protect James defensively, odd team selections and we still look as poorly coached as ever. Every loss he trots out the not enough quality line. No taking of any blame for himself. Weíve got more  quality than most
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 09, 2020, 07:28:29 PM
Whatís to be happy about being 3 points, 1 result, off 15th place ? Itís always the hope that kills.

Or 3pts, 1 result off 4th Mr. Glass half-empty.

Edit: oops see you've covered that @penguinofdoom1878 (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5053)
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2020, 07:29:51 PM
Or 3pts, 1 result off 4th Mr. Glass half-empty.

In fairness the fact that the last 3 performances have been typical Everton suggests we have much more chance of finishing 15th than 4th
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 09, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
In fairness the fact that the last 3 performances have been typical Everton suggests we have much more chance of finishing 15th than 4th

Behave, you.

I know we have a collective dark cloud over our heads but we're absolutely closer to a 4th place side than a 15th place one. Though if we're realistic the answer is in between. Pre-season expectations were 7th very good, 6th exceptional. We'll get this sorted.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2020, 07:41:51 PM
Behave, you.

I know we have a collective dark cloud over our heads but we're absolutely closer to a 4th place side than a 15th place one. Though if we're realistic the answer is in between. Pre-season expectations were 7th very good, 6th exceptional. We'll get this sorted.

In points total at the end of the season, will we be closer to 15th or 4th?

We haven't done it since 2016 I don't think, so I don't think it's an outrageous thing to say.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TheRam on November 09, 2020, 07:48:37 PM
Iím content. I think if you look at the start of the season as a whole itís a solid start.

We need to remember we finished 12th last season.

Chelsea especially are light years ahead of us.

A nice 7th placed finish will do me this season. Maybe if everyone stays fit we could challenge the top six but I doubt that will happen.

Weíre going to put in some horrible performances still and talk of us challenging teams like Chelsea and man United is very ambitious imo.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 09, 2020, 07:51:47 PM
In points total at the end of the season, will we be closer to 15th or 4th?

We haven't done it since 2016 I don't think, so I don't think it's an outrageous thing to say.

Well we got 49 last year and finished 12th. We improved our team enough for that to be a more outrageous question than not, despite all the insanely kneejerk reactions that are the norm.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2020, 08:04:26 PM
Well we got 49 last year and finished 12th. We improved our team enough for that to be a more outrageous question than not, despite all the insanely kneejerk reactions that are the norm.

Ok but is the statement that insane or kneejerk considering that we've done this feat once since 2014?

We are much, much more likely to finish closer to 15th than 4th.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 09, 2020, 08:11:32 PM
Ok but is the statement that insane or kneejerk considering that we've done this feat once since 2014?

We are much, much more likely to finish closer to 15th than 4th.

Guess it depends on how much stock you put in those types of historical trends, given they don't share managers, players, or even how the league played out those years. I personally don't.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2020, 08:19:50 PM
Happy enough; not unhappy

We know the reasons for drop off in form/results: no Richy; require midfielder to support Allan & Doucoure; below-par bench






Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2020, 08:22:58 PM
Guess it depends on how much stock you put in those types of historical trends, given they don't share managers, players, or even how the league played out those years. I personally don't.

Ok, you are drastically incorrect here but I can see you're just kind of backed into an argument you don't want to be in so happy to just forget it.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 09, 2020, 08:42:33 PM
not panicking yet,

if we had 1pt from Tottenham, WBA, Palace, Brighton, then beat RS, Southampton, Newcastle and  UTD   we would be jumping all over the place, it would still be 13pts
quicker we get 3pts
if we match 13pts out of 24( 8 games) that's 52pts with 6 to play,  ok it never works out like that but its a steady start now rather than an excellent one.

Teams in Europe will suffer in December.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 09, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
Happy and unhappy are too specific to describe my feelings towards Everton.
Desensitised, and increasingly so for the last twenty years or so.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 09, 2020, 09:46:52 PM
Ok, you are drastically incorrect here but I can see you're just kind of backed into an argument you don't want to be in so happy to just forget it.

I'm not at all in an argument I'm aware of at least. I'd like to know why what I said is drastically incorrect. Maybe I've misunderstood something along the way.

I took your comment to mean 'it's been this way since 2014 so why would we expect different in 2021.'
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2020, 09:57:52 PM
I'm not at all in an argument I'm aware of at least. I'd like to know why what I said is drastically incorrect. Maybe I've misunderstood something along the way.

I took your comment to mean 'it's been this way since 2014 so why would we expect different in 2021.'

Not an argument argument but a discussion I guess.

You're wrong that the seasons are islands with no relation to one another when I imagine the table places do not vary in a very meaningful way, the prem has fairly well established hierarchies as we well know.

When this comes to points it is even more pronounced, and a better reflection of the hierarchal structure of the league.

We are much more likely to finish closer to 15th than we 4th, again, as we have done almost every year for the last few seasons. It's not kneejerk it's realism.

Kneejerk would be winning three games and thinking we are going to win the league, or losing three games and thinking we are going to be relegated.

You might not like it, but it is what it is. We've not improved nearly enough to leave that band of teams we are in, at least by how we look at the moment.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 09, 2020, 10:14:37 PM
Not an argument argument but a discussion I guess.

You're wrong that the seasons are islands with no relation to one another when I imagine the table places do not vary in a very meaningful way, the prem has fairly well established hierarchies as we well know.

When this comes to points it is even more pronounced, and a better reflection of the hierarchal structure of the league.

We are much more likely to finish closer to 15th than we 4th, again, as we have done almost every year for the last few seasons. It's not kneejerk it's realism.

Kneejerk would be winning three games and thinking we are going to win the league, or losing three games and thinking we are going to be relegated.

You might not like it, but it is what it is. We've not improved nearly enough to leave that band of teams we are in, at least by how we look at the moment.

Ok, I get all that, but what I still don't get is how this team this year can be automatically assumed to carry on that trend? The hierarchies are obvious, with little deviation, of course, but it's not like Carlo's been here all these years, or Brands, and so forth.

As an example, I don't know if you watch any American sports, but take the NFL for example. Media/commentators love saying things like "the Giants have only beaten the Seahawks away from home twice in the past 20 years." How is that even relevant to the game happening this year when they a) only played 5 times in those 20 years, and b) maybe at best shared 10% of the same coaches, managers, etc.

That's what I meant by different managers, different players, etc. I can see how historical trends can matter in 1 way - like not winning away to Liverpool in forever - because it involves a mindset/mental thing, but otherwise, how else? What does Richy care about 2016 (as an example)? That's where I struggle with understanding the 'because A then B' line of thinking.

Or maybe I'm just stupidly optimistic lol.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TSGun on November 10, 2020, 05:11:08 AM
I'm still happy.

We've already shown when the team is settled, fit and focused we're a very good quality side. This doesn't usually happen so early in a season.

We'll be right.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: ajax_andy on November 11, 2020, 02:12:01 AM
I saw something online today that said statistically we are the least stressed fans of any premier league club... All I could think was they've clearly never read any posts on here 🤣
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: everton15 on November 12, 2020, 03:41:29 PM
I'm still happy.

We've already shown when the team is settled, fit and focused we're a very good quality side. This doesn't usually happen so early in a season.

We'll be right.
ditto........give carlo a few transfer windows - cant wait
carlo probably knows he has to bring in more quality because at the moment we cant carry an injury - ie richy out we basically don't play at the same level
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 12, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
I saw something online today that said statistically we are the least stressed fans of any premier league club... All I could think was they've clearly never read any posts on here 🤣

Not a prayer that's true btw.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2020, 04:39:23 PM
Probably working on the basis of:

1) How stressed are you about your club being relegated this season?

2) How worried about you about not achieving top 4/6 this season?

Neither of which would rank highly for Evertonians.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Robioto on November 12, 2020, 05:01:46 PM
Well I turned the game off when Tosun came on at the weekend and I'm still raging that he plays for the club.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: TheRam on November 12, 2020, 05:22:30 PM
How stressful is it supporting a club that's finished mid-table for the last twenty years?

By the time February comes our season is usually over so we have a couple of months not really caring.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 12, 2020, 07:09:24 PM
ditto........give carlo a few transfer windows - cant wait
carlo probably knows he has to bring in more quality because at the moment we cant carry an injury - ie richy out we basically don't play at the same level


Heís had more quality than any of our other recent managers. Is he going to at least match their best seasons of 7th and 8th
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on November 13, 2020, 12:06:11 AM
I saw something online today that said statistically we are the least stressed fans of any premier league club... All I could think was they've clearly never read any posts on here 🤣

I think they're probably basing it on the amount of meaningless games we have. Probably win that hands down to be honest.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Sixymack Version2.0 on November 13, 2020, 12:55:33 AM
I saw something online today that said statistically we are the least stressed fans of any premier league club... All I could think was they've clearly never read any posts on here 🤣


Think we have given into a sense of apathy.  The last three weeks have been a reality check and it is no coincidence that Richy has been suspended.  I wish the whole team had the same work rate and willpower.  He should be given the captains armband and Sig should have his contract torn up
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on November 13, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
Brazilian player Richy and Allan trained with tested positive for COVID and Coleman pulled out of the ROI squad with a reoccurance of his injury.

Wouldn't say "happy" right now!!
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 13, 2020, 01:35:12 AM
I think to think about the level of stress you have to think about expectations vs achievements, and that's why (I would say) we're such a stressy fanbase, very much myself included.

Teams like Brighton, Palace, Fulham, Burnley and that ilk of club might be closer to relegation more often than not, but they don't have anywhere near our expectation level. In a lot of ways we still see ourselves as a big club with a very proud and long tradition, and so our inability to meet those expectations for a long, long time have led to us being massively stressy as a fanbase.
Title: Re: So, Who's Happy then?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 13, 2020, 03:30:07 AM
I think to think about the level of stress you have to think about expectations vs achievements, and that's why (I would say) we're such a stressy fanbase, very much myself included.

Teams like Brighton, Palace, Fulham, Burnley and that ilk of club might be closer to relegation more often than not, but they don't have anywhere near our expectation level. In a lot of ways we still see ourselves as a big club with a very proud and long tradition, and so our inability to meet those expectations for a long, long time have led to us being massively stressy as a fanbase.

I donít think we have any expectations. We might think we should be competing but any idea that we are actually capable of it only surfaces every few years and is quickly shown to be daft. We moan about the wasted opportunities but really our matches and in the main our whole seasons are without any real stress or meaning. Weíve probably had about 3 seasons in the last 20 where we were a part of that seasons story. The 5th with Martinez. The 4th with moyes (actually that might be it) and ultimately even them stories were short lived as we instantly reverted to type. Thereís no great stress supporting Everton. Just plodding nothingness. Not sure thereís another team like us. Everyone else seems to have either had a combination of relegations and promotions and times where theyíve massively outperformed expectations or have genuinely been a top team competing amongst the best sides in europe.