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Title: Ben Godfrey
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on September 30, 2020, 08:39:53 PM
Sky running with this morning £25m

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/12085909/everton-make-enquiry-for-norwich-city-defender-ben-godfrey


may be better if i put it in the transfer thread


Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 30, 2020, 09:01:14 PM
We got dem dollar dollar bills y’all
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: bigmanbob on September 30, 2020, 09:09:30 PM
There's no way they'll loan him unless it's with an agreement at the end to buy him. You're more likely to pick up a loan from a premiership team for a squad player. Was this fella playign last year for them when they went down?  :-\
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 30, 2020, 09:31:27 PM
There's no way they'll loan him unless it's with an agreement at the end to buy him. You're more likely to pick up a loan from a premiership team for a squad player. Was this fella playign last year for them when they went down?  :-\
I raise you an Abdoulaye Doucoure & Idrissa Gana Gueye, from the relegation posse.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: markB on September 30, 2020, 10:44:12 PM
There's no way they'll loan him unless it's with an agreement at the end to buy him. You're more likely to pick up a loan from a premiership team for a squad player. Was this fella playign last year for them when they went down?  :-\

as a 21/22 year old he got 30 Premier League games last year along side 2 other 21/22 year olds and any one of the other 2 CBs they played was not very good

paying £20m for 4th choice CB is not good if you look at it like that BUT paying £20m for a CB that will be at you club and PLAYING for a long time is a great move

6 foot and has real pace , can play as the DM sitter if needed right footed but plays well with both feet

quick defenders happy with both feet opens the door to 3 at the back

if we have the money I would get him over the line now above all over position we need bar GK
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Heisenberg on September 30, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Must admit can’t remember him but then again, there’s teams games that I will avoid unless playing the bigger teams. Looks good on youtube though so sign him up
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: markB on September 30, 2020, 10:52:10 PM
Sky running with this morning £25m

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/12085909/everton-make-enquiry-for-norwich-city-defender-ben-godfrey


may be better if i put it in the transfer thread

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Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Robioto on September 30, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
I was doing some reading on him last night (yeah, I'm fucking bored). This little extract was interesting from a Norwich City website/forum:

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Ben Godfrey (2,646 minutes)

For a period literally the last man standing when Norwich City’s central defensive stocks reached emergency rations.

The powerhouse even had to go from game to game for a spell, limiting his training in between, to ease City through a particularly lean spell before a hernia operation followed the home hammering against Aston Villa.

Yes, Godfrey’s lack of experience and decision-making were exposed at the highest level.

But the 22-year-old should have been able to polish his craft alongside experienced, reliable partners on a regular basis.

That did not happen and as such the youngster was harshly exposed on occasion. But captaining the England Under-21s was a special personal accolade and given his age and homegrown status it was inevitable he would be touted with a summer move. Anyone who opts to purchase Godfrey is buying potential. He is a long way from the finished article.

Which is a tantalising prospect.

https://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/canaries-premier-league-academy-feature-aarons-lewis-godfrey-cantwell-1-6783767

Also going by the forum itself, Norwich fans rate him very highly.

Sounds perfect for a 4th choice to be honest. He's also 6 foot 0, so would more than likely be backup for Holgate I would have thought, so it would be Keane / Mina and Holgate / Godfrey at the back in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Robioto on September 30, 2020, 11:26:06 PM
Some quotes from Norwich fans:

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We CANNOT replace Godfrey with anyone in our squad, as NONE of our central defenders are even close to his level of ball playing ability and technique, nor his ability to move up into the midfield as needed.

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...Godfrey is a good player. One of the best young defenders we've seen at this club. He's not an exceptional talent that would tempt a top six club to part with £50m. He's just not. It's not even debatable. £25m, up front, represents comfortably the second biggest fee paid for a Championship defender (behind £40m for Nathan Ake) and would be a very good deal for the club.

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...but you have to remember that Godfrey has only played a season and a half professionally at centre back, so he is still learning his position. He made mistakes last season, but you have to consider:

a) He was offered little protection from a poor midfield and full backs who were often caught halfway up the pitch.

b) He was our only recognised centre back for a quarter of last season. The rest of the time, he was next to someone who was coming back from an injury.

It is also worth considering that he is the only 'crown jewel' who plays down the middle. The others are given a slightly easier ride, playing down the wings/in the opposition half. Their mistakes are rarely as costly.

Whilst it is true for all of the crown jewels, it is most important for Godfrey to play regular first team football - preferable in a team with a solid defence. Everton, Wolves or Leicester would be perfect for him, assuming he gets game time. ...

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He has all of the attributes to be a top centre back: he is quick, strong and he's comfortable with the ball at his feet. He now needs to develop that 'John Terry' side of his game - things that come with experience. Centre backs don't usually peak until they're around 28, so he's got time on his side...

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For roughly six weeks Godfrey was playing with a hernia injury - he wasn't training in the week and was only able to get through matchday with painkillers. Farke made it clear that Godfrey really shouldn't have been playing at all, but he had to as we didn't have any other fit centre backs available. Tells you a lot about Godfrey's attitude and mental strength.

Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2020, 12:06:02 AM
Admittedly I hadn't even heard of him until the other day but he seems a great prospect.

I'd love us to also sign Max Arrons from Norwich but Colemans form means RB will be ok for another season.

He will have gone by then most likely but what a signing he would be.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: GLewis on October 01, 2020, 12:21:29 AM
https://twitter.com/ryantaylorsport/status/1311338628610752514?s=
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: GLewis on October 01, 2020, 12:21:46 AM
https://twitter.com/alanmyersmedia/status/1311354840648425472?s=
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 01, 2020, 12:29:57 AM
Sounds like this has legs!


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Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: mikey_blue on October 01, 2020, 12:31:22 AM
Get him signed right up.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 01, 2020, 12:32:23 AM
I’m sure he was linked with a big European team, earlier in the window, but were put off by Norwich’s asking price.


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Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 12:37:02 AM
Is he starting tonight?
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2020, 12:38:31 AM
Don't know much about him, so I'm well onboard with this
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Outworlder47 on October 01, 2020, 12:38:49 AM
Is he starting tonight?

Norwich don't play until Saturday, Derby County at home.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 12:39:52 AM
Norwich don't play until Saturday, Derby County at home.

I meant for us, duh.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 01, 2020, 12:47:48 AM
Everton has a good track recording in developing good centre halves. So I guess it's worth seeing if Ben has significant potential.

However, I have to raise the question about our FFP. Also if he's injury prone as playing with an injury can cause long term problems.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Robioto on October 01, 2020, 12:58:11 AM
I’m sure he was linked with a big European team, earlier in the window, but were put off by Norwich’s asking price.


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Linked with AC Milan, Dortmund and Liverpool amonsgst other teams earlier in the window. How true those links are, who knows. Good signs though.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 01:01:36 AM
Everton has a good track recording in developing good centre halves. So I guess it's worth seeing if Ben has significant potential.

However, I have to raise the question about our FFP. Also if he's injury prone as playing with an injury can cause long term problems.

I don't think it makes sense to worry about FFP since we're not the billionaire accountants in charge of the club's finances.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Brownie on October 01, 2020, 01:01:36 AM
Sounds like this has legs!


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As long as Godfrey has
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: ajax_andy on October 01, 2020, 01:05:51 AM
I don't pay much attention to links....until someone creates a thread, and then I'm in full belief we're signing them 😂

Sounds perfect doesn't he, back up for Holgate, meaning we have depth for both types of CB.  Seems like a very smart signing if we can get him!
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2020, 01:08:28 AM
Sky sports have since updated their story on him (18:58) to now saying we have officially bid £20M upfront with £6M in add ons.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 01, 2020, 01:20:26 AM
I don't think it makes sense to worry about FFP since we're not the billionaire accountants in charge of the club's finances.

Well that was my train of thought before someone drummed FFP into me on another thread. I'm sure you can recall that thread.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 01:21:40 AM
Well that was my train of thought before someone drummed FFP into me on another thread. I'm sure you can recall that thread.

Well did we sign Lozano yet or what? He scored 2 goals the other day.
Title: Re: Ben Godrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2020, 01:23:34 AM
Can a mod please change this so it says Godfrey instead of Godry 🤓
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 01, 2020, 01:31:53 AM
He’s a bit old like

(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02748/godfrey_2748934e.jpg)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2020, 05:08:44 AM
https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/139412-everton-supposedly-about-to-bid-for-godfrey/page/4/#comments

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Quick, athletic, very good passer (short and long) and a great attitude. Still needs to improve his positioning and reading of the game at the highest level, but there's every reason to think he will be able to do this with time and experience.

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I think Godfrey has mistakes in him too (mostly positional). But what he does very well is have that ability to pass the ball around and bring the ball out of defence. He works hard and is rarely injured too. I hope that step up in quality around him will challenge him to make the step up too.

He's truly got the potential to be an England international. And I haven't said that about too many of our players. Maybe the only one since James Madison.

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Godfrey's passing is defnitely superior to Stones, I think he's quicker and more agile, and far better at moving up to support the midfield. Stones has the benefit of experience at present as well as having the chance to play alongside some very good players whereas Godfrey has struggled to have a settled partnership with a truly great teammate to help him develop.

I still maintain that 25mil is too low based on all the factors previously mentioned, but do concede that maybe my original value of 40 mil + addons was too high. 30 mil + addons would be my preferred position, but I doubt the club would turn down 25 + addons either..
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 01, 2020, 05:12:47 AM
Been on our radar for a while.

He can play in midfield as well which could come in very handy.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2020, 05:22:27 AM
I bet Carlo is terrible at poker. When he was asked after the game about Godfrey he couldn't stop smirking and his eyebrow hit the top of the Bullens.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 05:25:07 AM
I bet Carlo is terrible at poker. When he was asked after the game about Godfrey he couldn't stop smirking and his eyebrow hit the top of the Bullens.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhJOFjz40BAJ8nm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2020, 05:26:12 AM
I bet Carlo is terrible at poker. When he was asked after the game about Godfrey he couldn't stop smirking and his eyebrow hit the top of the Bullens.

Any links to that?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2020, 05:34:23 AM
Any links to that?
Interview was on SSN, here's the quote but it's not the same without him completely failing to look like there's nothing going on.

https://twitter.com/RichardBuxton_/status/1311416668606865410
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 01, 2020, 05:36:50 AM
Can we stop quoting Buxton?

Anyway, I'm for this deal, ancelotti clearly rates him so that's enough for me
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on October 01, 2020, 05:46:24 AM
Interview was on SSN, here's the quote but it's not the same without him completely failing to look like there's nothing going on.

https://twitter.com/RichardBuxton_/status/1311416668606865410

He used a double negative - it’s on
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 01, 2020, 05:45:23 PM
Is he starting tonight?
I'll guess he started to watch us on telly...

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Title: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: dchans on October 01, 2020, 07:37:01 PM
Norwich rejected our bid for Ben Godfrey
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 01, 2020, 07:37:42 PM
Just noticed that Godfrey has grown 6cm overnight on transfermarket from 1.80m to 1.86m... 🤔
Title: Re: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: Robioto on October 01, 2020, 07:39:08 PM
Norwich rejected our bid for Ben Godfrey

What's the source?
Title: Re: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: dchans on October 01, 2020, 07:44:27 PM
What's the source?

Sat watching sky sports news on day off
Title: Re: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 01, 2020, 07:47:26 PM
Norwich rejected our bid for Ben Godfrey

I’m sure they’ll take Besic, Bolasie and Sandro in part exchange.....  :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: Toffee1 on October 01, 2020, 08:12:35 PM
Godfrey's (possible) transfer could go up to the other deadline of the 16th October and that will give Mr Brands time to do his magic and get the fee to one we like.
Title: Re: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: Robioto on October 01, 2020, 08:16:08 PM
Godfrey's (possible) transfer could go up to the other deadline of the 16th October and that will give Mr Brands time to do his magic and get the fee to one we like.

I didn't know this until yesterday. After 5 October Premier League teams will be able to deal with EFL teams only and not with other Premier League teams until 16 October? Think that's right?
Title: Re: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: Toffee1 on October 01, 2020, 08:18:26 PM
I didn't know this until yesterday. After 5 October Premier League teams will be able to deal with EFL teams only and not with other Premier League teams until 16 October? Think that's right?

Taken from the Premier League site :

The summer 2020 transfer window is open from 27 July to 23:00 BST on 5 October. 

A domestic-only window, during which Premier League clubs can trade only with those in the EFL or below, will run from 23:01 BST on 5 October to 17:00 BST on 16 October.

The deals, loan or permanent, announced by clubs below may still be subject to international clearance and/or administrative details before they can be confirmed.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: American Evertonian on October 01, 2020, 09:04:13 PM
I’m sure they’ll take Besic, Bolasie and Sandro in part exchange.....  :whistle:

We also loaned them Dowell - they should accept all our deadwood and give us Godfrey. It’s only fair
Title: Re: Re: Summer Transfer Plans
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 01, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
Sat watching sky sports news on day off

Which bid did Sky say was rejected?

Because they did reject a first bid for £20m, but we made the 2nd bid for £20m+£6m in add-ons. One of the Norwich beat writers was on ToffeeTV's Live at 5 yesterday giving updates (which were approximately 1 hour after Myers tweet about the 2nd offer).
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee1 on October 01, 2020, 10:00:46 PM
Good pace about him, would be nice to have that in the team.

https://twitter.com/Canaries1975/status/1311572768874520576
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 01, 2020, 10:02:13 PM
Good pace about him, would be nice to have that in the team.

https://twitter.com/Canaries1975/status/1311572768874520576

Epic. Love that.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 01, 2020, 10:08:53 PM
Good pace about him, would be nice to have that in the team.

https://twitter.com/Canaries1975/status/1311572768874520576

Fucking hell


Also - apparently that was around the 80min  mark.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on October 01, 2020, 10:10:12 PM
We also loaned them Dowell - they should accept all our deadwood and give us Godfrey. It's only fair
Sold them Dowell and now he's injured, probably added to the price

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on October 01, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
Fucking hell
Not bad but looks slow as fuck compared to Reguilon, like bloody road runner!!!

https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1311215203196063744?s=19

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee1 on October 01, 2020, 10:18:03 PM
Fucking hell


Also - apparently that was around the 80min  mark.

When I saw the clip it reminded me of this scene.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 01, 2020, 10:46:55 PM
Good pace about him, would be nice to have that in the team.

https://twitter.com/Canaries1975/status/1311572768874520576
Wow!

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: dchans on October 01, 2020, 11:37:45 PM
Which bid did Sky say was rejected?

Because they did reject a first bid for £20m, but we made the 2nd bid for £20m+£6m in add-ons. One of the Norwich beat writers was on ToffeeTV's Live at 5 yesterday giving updates (which were approximately 1 hour after Myers tweet about the 2nd offer).

The one that totalled 26m
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 02, 2020, 12:08:28 AM
The one that totalled 26m

Damn you! And thanks.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 02, 2020, 01:21:33 AM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1311731369463230464
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 02, 2020, 01:23:16 AM
And David Maddock.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-news-ben-godfrey-22777676
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Macca77 on October 02, 2020, 01:27:09 AM
30 million, ridiculous that
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2020, 01:27:48 AM
30 million, ridiculous that

One Michael Keane
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 01:29:19 AM
Can’t say I noticed him last year but we must be confident of him becoming a really good player.

You’d think this latest push will do it.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 02, 2020, 01:31:30 AM
wow , taking the piss really-     RS bid 12m   for Jamal Lewis and they wanted 20m,   went to Newcastle for 13.5,       no way should we be paying that
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 02, 2020, 01:32:21 AM
Be £15m and Sandro when Brands has finished with them
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 01:39:29 AM
wow , taking the piss really-     RS bid 12m   for Jamal Lewis and they wanted 20m,   went to Newcastle for 13.5,       no way should we be paying that

Presume they, and seemingly we, think he’s a lot better than Jamal Lewis
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 02, 2020, 01:41:10 AM
Smells like this lad was somebody we had planned on bringing in next Jan or summer after seeing if he kicked on in the championship. But we've decided to roll the dice a bit early - if we're going to have to spend on a defender because loan options aren't exceptional, we may as well push the boat out and get one of our actual future prospects that we trust to step in if needed.

5 centre halves though. Means Branthwaite as the youngest of the crop may see some loan action come January. (or we'll pick up another injury when Holgate comes back and all will be sound.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 02, 2020, 01:47:32 AM
It's Brands, he got James for free for christ sake, we will not be paying £30M for this lad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on October 02, 2020, 01:50:48 AM
It's Brands, he got James for free for christ sake, we will not be paying £30M for this lad.

This. 20million plus add ons is more likely to be 20million including add ons.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on October 02, 2020, 01:51:56 AM
Anyone else been seriously linked with him???
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 02, 2020, 01:52:02 AM
If we get this chap for anything north of 25 mil it does make you wonder why we pulled out of the gabriel deal
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 01:52:34 AM
Smells like this lad was somebody we had planned on bringing in next Jan or summer after seeing if he kicked on in the championship. But we've decided to roll the dice a bit early - if we're going to have to spend on a defender because loan options aren't exceptional, we may as well push the boat out and get one of our actual future prospects that we trust to step in if needed.

5 centre halves though. Means Branthwaite as the youngest of the crop may see some loan action come January. (or we'll pick up another injury when Holgate comes back and all will be sound.
If Branthwaite isn’t that far off coming back by 16th he might be able to go out now.

Depends if Holgate is a way off as I’d presume we’d keep Branthwaite so we have 4 options
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on October 02, 2020, 01:53:10 AM
If we get this chap for anything north of 25 mil it does make you wonder why we pulled out of the gabriel deal

I haven't paid any attention to Arsenal this season, how is he getting on???
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
If we get this chap for anything north of 25 mil it does make you wonder why we pulled out of the gabriel deal

Maybe we got the other 3 for less than we were thinking at the time?

Or Holgate getting injured was after we pulled out of Gabriel deal and so brought this forward as @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) says
Title: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Verm on October 02, 2020, 01:54:30 AM
Fee agreed, £25m, from Paul Joyce

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1311740835780874243?s=21


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 02, 2020, 01:55:05 AM
Maybe we got the other 3 for less than we were thinking at the time?

Or Holgate getting injured was after we pulled out of Gabriel deal and so brought this forward as @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) says

Fair point. Was probably pre tempting 60 to 70 mil on the midfield 3 (and maybe plans to buy a rb have been shelved too)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 02, 2020, 01:55:55 AM
I haven't paid any attention to Arsenal this season, how is he getting on???

Goal scorer and mom in 1st game. Not sure how he has got on since
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2020, 01:57:18 AM
Best CB I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 01:59:23 AM
Goal scorer and mom in 1st game. Not sure how he has got on since

Didn’t get picked in their game vs L’pool the other day so can’t have been great vs West Ham!

Playing tonight though
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Heisenberg on October 02, 2020, 02:01:59 AM
Fee agreed Paul Joyce
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Macca77 on October 02, 2020, 02:03:02 AM
Joyce can fuck off
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 02, 2020, 02:05:57 AM
Done deal according to announce fekir Joyce
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 02, 2020, 02:06:25 AM
We havent half moved this one through quickly.

If only we could add a RW now and it will be a sensational window
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2020, 02:10:23 AM
I'm not sure why people think the fee is so out of order. It's standard really. England U-21 Captain, massively rated, very quick, excellent on the ball. £25m really isn't too bad.

Be delighted with this. Didn't see us laying out a sizeable amount on another player this window.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 02, 2020, 02:14:18 AM
Just ordered my Godfrey training kit.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2020, 02:18:55 AM
Obligatory -

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2020, 02:20:02 AM
Derby debut.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 02, 2020, 02:20:32 AM
If we get this chap for anything north of 25 mil it does make you wonder why we pulled out of the gabriel deal

We pulled out when we didn’t know what was happening with covid
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 02, 2020, 02:20:58 AM
Imagine if we sold Walcott and a couple more and got a Leon Bailey type signing in before Monday.

Domestic treble would be ours.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 02:22:05 AM
Telegraph too...

https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1311740970250252288?s=
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 02, 2020, 02:22:53 AM
Goal scorer and mom in 1st game. Not sure how he has got on since

Didn’t play (or at least didn’t start)in the league game against Liverpool. Twitter said dropped but fuck knows
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Dvm23 on October 02, 2020, 02:28:18 AM
anyone who was at Goodison when Norwich ripped us a new arsehole would have seen they had a few good young lads in their side. Aarons is superb as well. Godfrey will be a great signing
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 02, 2020, 02:30:17 AM
Another good looking lad, as well.

Fuck me, we are so shagable!





Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 02, 2020, 02:34:55 AM
He went to Archbishop Holgate School. 

That'd be like me playing centre-back with Queen Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 02, 2020, 02:35:16 AM
Telegraph too...

https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1311740970250252288?s=

Wait, so Sky Sports was wrong?!

Incon-theve-able!

Another good looking lad, as well.

Fuck me, we are so shagable!







* shaggable ;)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 02, 2020, 02:39:24 AM
Very happy with this.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on October 02, 2020, 02:39:49 AM
Wait, so Sky Sports was wrong?!

Incon-theve-able!

* shaggable ;)

Love a Princess Bride reference
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 02, 2020, 02:41:43 AM
Made up with this.

Love a good young English signing.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 02, 2020, 02:42:10 AM
So, reckon we can get Branthwaitea loan deal.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2020, 02:43:32 AM
https://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/canaries-ben-godfrey-transfer-fee-valuation-1-6735207

Supposedly Norwich wouldn't let him go for less than £50m. Dortmund, Leipzig and Spurs linked with him, labelled 'the new Rio Ferdinand'
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on October 02, 2020, 02:43:45 AM
So, reckon we can get Branthwaitea loan deal.

Think that hinges on when Holgate is due back.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2020, 02:43:56 AM
Must live a miserable existence this fella

https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1311748008690749440
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 02, 2020, 02:44:09 AM
Lads, Tyrone Mings went for £26.5M

£25M is a great deal.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 02, 2020, 02:44:20 AM
Made up with this.

Love a good young English signing.

Yeah. Great...just like John Stones again...oh...wait a minute !
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 02, 2020, 02:44:54 AM
We pulled out when we didn’t know what was happening with covid

We still don't do we?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Verm on October 02, 2020, 02:45:32 AM
Must live a miserable existence this fella

https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1311748008690749440

No idea why anyone would follow the miserable old bastard.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 02, 2020, 02:47:42 AM
Must live a miserable existence this fella

https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1311748008690749440

I mean what kind of fuckwits on GOT are they ? They ask a question, where’s the money coming from, Esk says Moshiri (well it wasn’t coming from Bill was it) and they all convinced he’s the greatest ITK ever !
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2020, 02:48:16 AM
Yeah. Great...just like John Stones again...oh...wait a minute !

Didn't we make £40m plus profit on John Stones?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 02, 2020, 02:49:22 AM
Didn't we make £40m plus profit on John Stones?
Yes, why do you ask ?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 02, 2020, 02:49:37 AM
Norwich fans are pretty devastated (as you'd expect), they really rate him and many think that out of their 5 "crown jewels" as they call them (Lewis, Cantwell, Buendia, Aarons, Godfrey), that he will go on to do the best.

Pretty exciting signing to be honest and perfect as a 4th choice centre back in my opinion, based on what I have read and seen about him.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 02, 2020, 02:56:40 AM

* shaggable ;)

I bet you’re not ;)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gary1878 on October 02, 2020, 03:07:13 AM
Moshiri is avin a ball! Young lad as well so should hold his value very well. Gibson and Branthwaite can now go/stay on loan comfortably if this lad comes in.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: toshyboy on October 02, 2020, 03:08:56 AM
Good point made in the comments of the esks latest misery. Do we think we are holding a sleeve sponsor deal until the window shuts, before Megafon write a chq that balances the FFP for us???
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 02, 2020, 03:13:51 AM
A future defence of Godfrey and holgate would be sound
Pacey, strong and comfortable on the ball whilst being good defensively
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on October 02, 2020, 03:17:34 AM
Think he'll be a good acquisition, but I always struggle to get as excited about signing centre backs

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gary1878 on October 02, 2020, 03:18:10 AM
Good point made in the comments of the esks latest misery. Do we think we are holding a sleeve sponsor deal until the window shuts, before Megafon write a chq that balances the FFP for us???

I think we are looking at buying our players and doing business early, and will release and sell players over the next 2/3 windows to recoup. We will be fine as we get quite a bit of grace with the Covid situation.

You would think that they could easily do an FFP cash flow forecast with their accountants/advisers to tell them what they need to do and when.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 02, 2020, 03:24:28 AM
Wait, so Sky Sports was wrong?!

Incon-theve-able!

Dunno, I think they were right.
We tested the water with £20m initially and it was rejected.
We formally bid £20m + £6m add-ons and it was rejected (this was today's report).
Norwich wanted £30m + add-ons and we've met in the middle and had a bid accepted for £25m + add-ons.

Swift negotiation I feel, as opposed to cross-wires. We're boss in more areas than just the pitch now.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: SpankRock on October 02, 2020, 03:24:59 AM
Shame we couldn't get a double deal going with Buendia :D
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Coyney83 on October 02, 2020, 03:26:50 AM
Based on the YouTube video, his right looks to be his preferred foot but he can/does play left sided centre half for Norwich. Does any one know?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2020, 03:30:08 AM
Based on the YouTube video, his right looks to be his preferred foot but he can/does play left sided centre half for Norwich. Does any one know?

Yes that's right. Right footed but was played on the left by Farke, because he's better on the ball than the other CB.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2020, 03:43:10 AM
Don't really understand the odd confrontational attitude towards the esk.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 02, 2020, 03:45:23 AM
Don't really understand the odd confrontational attitude towards the esk.

Because he speaks in absolutes, despite having no inside knowledge of the club's finances.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on October 02, 2020, 03:51:19 AM
Wait, so Sky Sports was wrong?!

Incon-theve-able!

* shaggable ;)

This thread has gone a bit 'faggy' 😜
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 03:52:32 AM
Because he speaks in absolutes, despite having no inside knowledge of the club's finances.

Also seems that after made a big thing about Witsel which, to be fair to him, deals can get called out late on very easily, it seems like he’s tried to carve out a niche moaning about finances.

Actually makes some reasonable points but tends to make them in an “OMG we are USELESS...” way on a topic that isn’t people’s priority
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Outworlder47 on October 02, 2020, 03:54:58 AM
Will come in knowing he's likely not first choice, but with the injury situation, his pedigree, and self-belief (plus Don Carlo!) he will fancy himself to barge his way into consideration.

He and Holgate with Branthwaite and Gibson is a pretty stout group of young English CBs.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 02, 2020, 04:00:49 AM
Another good looking lad, as well.

Fuck me, we are so shagable!
He can ditch the chin minge though


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 02, 2020, 04:02:26 AM
Lads, Tyrone Mings went for £26.5M

£25M is a great deal.
And Zouma was a £5m loan fee. Can imagine Chelsea would’ve wanted something similar for Tomori. False economy, really.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2020, 04:08:54 AM
Because he speaks in absolutes, despite having no inside knowledge of the club's finances.

Also seems that after made a big thing about Witsel which, to be fair to him, deals can get called out late on very easily, it seems like he’s tried to carve out a niche moaning about finances.

Actually makes some reasonable points but tends to make them in an “OMG we are USELESS...” way on a topic that isn’t people’s priority

The witsel thing is, I think, the only time ive seen him try and put on a bit of an ITK act. Maybe he got bad info.

There's lads in my work who still rip me about Bergkamp coming over on a fucking ferry, which I think I got off someone on here!

I dunno, I get people don't like hearing what they don't wanna hear, and he can be a bit...pompous maybe, but nothing to get wound up over.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 02, 2020, 04:19:45 AM
Because he speaks in absolutes, despite having no inside knowledge of the club's finances.

He’s got an excel spreadsheet trying to calculate all our outgoings and why we are breaking FFP all the time and aren’t owned by Moshiri but a mishmash of dodgy offshore companies and yawn yawn yawn
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 04:27:12 AM
If we get this guy then I will be happy.  Don't get me wrong, I like Zouma and he is very good and Tomori may well become world class but I've always hated it when we buy rejects from other clubs...
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 02, 2020, 04:29:27 AM
My main concern is that we're aggregating right footed centre halves. Not good for a balanced defence.




Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 02, 2020, 04:31:18 AM
I’ve still no idea why Joyce is the first person Kenwright messages when we get a deal over the line. I’d fuck him off or at least tell him to talk about us more favourably if he wants to break our news.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 02, 2020, 04:31:25 AM
My main concern is that we're aggregating right footed centre halves. Not good for a balanced defence.






This lad is pretty two-footed, I think I heard.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 02, 2020, 04:44:33 AM
This lad is pretty two-footed, I think I heard.

Well, the youtube videos posted here shows him as a predominately right footed player.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 02, 2020, 04:53:23 AM
Well, it appears to be the end of the world.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: bornblue88 on October 02, 2020, 04:57:45 AM
What time does it have to go through tomorrow for him to play against Brighton?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 04:58:17 AM
He and Holgate with Branthwaite and Gibson is a pretty stout group of young English CBs.

Mina is tall and he will need more rest than other if he is not injured.  I see the addition of Godfrey (addition to Mina, Holgate and Keane) to be a chance for Ancelotti to actually chose WHEN and against WHOM Branthwaite and Gibson will play this season.  It is always good for younger players not to have too much pressure on them.  But what do I know, this is only my opinion and thoughts.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 02, 2020, 05:20:20 AM
If he does as well as another central defender we bought for big money from Norwich some years ago, we’ll be doing very well.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: dunkster on October 02, 2020, 05:26:14 AM
Hate this guys name. Can we change it to Godzalez or something more samba style.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 05:54:31 AM
Hate this guys name. Can we change it to Godzalez or something more samba style.

Says dunkster... ;)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 02, 2020, 06:57:51 AM
Ari droppin bombs like Lebanon.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 02, 2020, 07:03:11 AM
Hate this guys name. Can we change it to Godzalez or something more samba style.

Gojira?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 02, 2020, 07:55:15 AM
Gojira?
Great band.
Title: Ben Godfrey
Post by: mikey_blue on October 02, 2020, 11:13:44 AM
Excited about this one you know.

I don't think our CB's are nailed on at the moment. Holgate and Mina both have injury issues, as well as susceptible to the odd Frank Spencer. Keane is playing out of his mind right now, but if his form/ confidence drops, then places are certainly up for grabs.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: VBlue on October 02, 2020, 01:34:48 PM
I missed this last night. Could go on to be a very good signing.

Is he known to be versatile across the back four or has he played centre half all his career?

<always read centre half in Martinez’s scouse/Spanish accent>
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on October 02, 2020, 01:41:29 PM
Branthwaite, Holgate, Nkoukou, Godfrey, DCL, Gordon, Richarlison.

We're building quite a lot for the future despite buying peak players this summer too... Think our recruitment is massively on point at the moment with these younger players adding to those already here, and then sprinkling top established talent in to key areas.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
If he does as well as another central defender we bought for big money from Norwich some years ago, we'll be doing very well.


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We also took Mike Walker from them... ;)

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bally on October 02, 2020, 02:30:38 PM
Must live a miserable existence this fella

https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1311748008690749440
He's a fucking cockwomble.
He's been proven wrong countless times.
Couldn't bevvy with him I'd end up trying to drown him.

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 02:30:48 PM
I missed this last night. Could go on to be a very good signing.

Is he known to be versatile across the back four or has he played centre half all his career?

<always read centre half in Martinez's scouse/Spanish accent>
He has played in central midfield as players like Mats Hummels, Sergio Busquets and Rio Ferdinand did earlier in their carreers

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 02:32:18 PM
He's a fucking cockwomble.
He's been proven wrong countless times.
Couldn't bevvy with him I'd end up trying to drown him.

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Hopefully not with the beer

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 02, 2020, 03:00:14 PM
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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 02, 2020, 03:03:06 PM
We also took Mike Walker from them... ;)

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 02, 2020, 03:09:28 PM
Big piece on him in The Athletic from the start of the season.

https://theathletic.com/1174211/2019/09/06/england-u21s-called-godfrey-up-after-four-premier-league-games-but-he-is-far-from-an-overnight-success/
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sirblue57 on October 02, 2020, 03:37:11 PM
Big piece on him in The Athletic from the start of the season.

https://theathletic.com/1174211/2019/09/06/england-u21s-called-godfrey-up-after-four-premier-league-games-but-he-is-far-from-an-overnight-success/


For the cheapskates please...ta
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 02, 2020, 03:57:25 PM
The Athletic have a £1 a month offer on at the moment, highly recommended. But here we go:


England U21s called Godfrey up after four Premier League games – but he is far from an overnight success

By Michael Bailey Sep 6, 2019

“They kind of replace us as parents, which is really sad because when they’re 12 you are telling them to cheer up, get that smile on your face, go out there and do X, Y and Z… And then you’re not needed any more.”

Ben Godfrey is at St George’s Park for the very start of his preparations for the biggest assignment of his international career to date.

A first England Under-21s call-up has come just four games into the defender’s Premier League story with Norwich – with Aidy Boothroyd’s side facing Turkey on Friday evening. Meanwhile, his dad is enrolling new students at York College.

The family has come a long way in little more than a decade, working their way through things they vow not to face again, the pitfalls of trials and idiosyncrasies of agents. But there is still so much of the road left to travel.

The life and journey of a young footballer fighting to make his way in the game is one view. The same path through the eyes of a parent can be quite another.

“I would get in from work and he would sit on the doorstep, I’m talking six days a week, with his football and his boots. As long as he had a football, he was happy,” recalls Alex Godfrey of Ben’s childhood.

Each time, father and son would head to a nearby cricket field in York. Its outfield was so well kept, it provided the perfect surface for left-foot striking practice. The only consideration was constantly moving their location so they didn’t interfere with the groundsman’s grass-cutting routine. The alternative football pitch had more in common with a cow pasture.

“Every dad thinks their kid is great. I played a little bit of sport and I liked to think compared to everybody else, he had that awareness and physicality against bigger or older players,” says Alex. “From when he first started playing with under-sevens, I would say I knew straight away. People say you can’t know but I think I did, because of what you could see in his ability — but when I say that, I mean making a living (from football). Not that he would be Premier-League-good.”

It does not take long in the 40-year-old’s company to realise this is a close family unit. Alex has worked at York College for 15 years. Mum Sharon is a primary-school teaching assistant. The pair, who have been together since their own schooldays, are now bringing up Ben’s sisters Levi, 11, and four-year-old Sylvie, who is already throwing herself into swimming lessons and threatening to start the football cycle once more.

“It’s exciting when somebody comes up to you at the side of the pitch and says, ‘I’m from Leeds and I think your lad’s played really well.’ You think, ‘Thank you. He’s worked really hard for this and I’m glad you appreciate that.’ You don’t say that! You just think it’s brilliant,” says Alex.

“It has been a journey with Ben that, if I’m honest, I probably wouldn’t want to go through again. Sylvie is football-mad. She was going out in the street with a ball and wanted to go to football lessons, so we took her to Diddikicks (football classes for pre-schoolers). There’s not much football involved, it’s more running round cones and things, but she loves it and they’ve now progressed her on to the outdoor stuff, and I’m saying to Sharon, ‘Listen, I don’t know if I can…’ Just the torment and the upset. You get to that age and I dread the day a scout comes over in his jacket and says, ‘I represent…’ I can’t do it again.”

Sylvie was born shortly before her brother first left home, an 18-year-old headed for Norwich City with his first professional contract finally signed and sealed.

He has only made one family Christmas since, and football commitments have prevented Ben making any of her birthdays. Sacrifice is a word easily written, but sometimes it deserves more consideration than it gets.

Competing in League Two, and with the likes of Andy Bishop leading the line, football remained York’s preserve despite its rugby rivals. Ben’s early outings while at Archbishop Holgate School included captaining his Minstermen’s youth side and York Schools Under-13s to a historic English Schools FA Trophy success in 2011, before Middlesbrough came calling.

Initially picked up as a central defender, by the end of his two-year spell Ben was playing left-back — and not enjoying the experience. Boro were struggling to see beyond his below-par performances and a mutual separation followed.

“We came away and Ben was just in tears in the back of the car, distraught,” recalls his father.

An opportunity to join Sheffield Wednesday soon materialised, helped by Sharon wearing heels when they visited the club. Prospective clubs ask a player’s parents to submit their own heights, and Mum’s had been declared as a few inches more than her actual 5ft 7 in.

After a successful trial, Ben was offered a two-year deal, only for the realities of making a 120-mile round trip for a 5pm training session four times each week to hit home: “They are telling you about it and you can feel it draining out of you, while Ben is sat there getting more and more excited. And you just have to say, ‘Look, it’s not possible’.”

A trial at Barnsley was next but come its conclusion, future Tykes boss Paul Heckingbottom felt Ben was not the right fit for his youth set-up. Six weeks at Leeds followed, after which Ben was judged against the best player already on the club’s books — a nod to the fact academies often find themselves concentrating on one or two prospects they feel have a chance of completing their development with the club. In this instance it was Jack Vann, and Ben failed Leeds’ comparison. (Vann, United’s highly-rated prospect was himself released in May 2017, and is currently without a club following a spell with Harrogate Town).

At this point, Mum stepped in.

“It was Sharon’s idea,” Alex told The Athletic. “As you go through the football academy years, you see the older players do a lot of it: going round every club to have a look. We left Boro with a plan to join Barnsley. Then Sheffield Wednesday jumped in. We went to Barnsley, then Leeds. It felt as though we were almost falling into the trap of chasing every team until one of them says yes.

“So after all those trials, six-week trials, driving three or four days a week, she said, ‘Why don’t we go to York and see what they say? They know him; let’s see if they will have him, if he’s good enough.'”

The move proved an inspired decision.

Youth coaches Darren Kelly, Andy Snell and John Stockton took Ben straight into York’s Under-15 side, where some of his old U13 team-mates were waiting to welcome him back.

Successive first-team managers Nigel Worthington, Russ Wilcox and Jackie McNamara all played their part in his progression.

It was Wilcox who handed Ben his senior debut at the age of 17 in August 2015 — playing as the holding midfielder in a 1-0 home League Two win over Yeovil. By the following January, the kid was moving to the Premier League.

“He came to us as such a shy boy, but an amazing boy. He always wanted to learn, he was a very gifted young man and if you ever saw a player as disciplined and hard working, he was it,” says Kelly, who was York’s lead youth coach and is now sporting director at Northern Premier League Hyde United.

“I remember when Ben was 15 and the academy was training at the University of York. Ben was injured, he was in the physio room. There was this under-nine with him and Ben started talking to him, and it just made the little lad’s day. Everybody adored and looked up to Ben because he was so highly thought-of. He made that lad feel so special, it’s untrue. And that’s Ben in a nutshell.”

Kelly put in the effort to make sure Ben’s talents, deployed at York in centre-back and midfield roles, were not overlooked. Letters followed to every scout he knew, as well as the Football Associations in England and Jamaica, where Alex has roots.

York fans may well consider Ben’s departure a missed opportunity. They took their time offering him a professional deal and once he had a handful of League Two appearances under his belt, the secret was out. Barnsley, in the division above, returned to the picture with heavy interest while Huddersfield, struggling in the Championship under new head coach David Wagner and head of football operations Stuart Webber, pushed hard to make Ben a Terrier.

They came close, but once Norwich knocked on the door with Premier League opportunities, the matter was effectively settled. After three rejected bids, a fourth of £150,000 rising to £1 million was accepted.

In a January 2016 transfer window that was much derided by their supporters at the time, the Canaries also signed young Coventry prospect James Maddison.

Webber would ultimately get to work with both, following his switch from Huddersfield to become Norwich’s sporting director little more than a year later.

Having signed up at York College as part of his apprenticeship with the Minstermen, Ben wrapped up and passed his studies early, with he and his mum driving to Norwich in his Fiat Punto as the Canaries’ latest first-team player, even though the 18-year-old did not feel he had earned such status after just five league starts for York.

That Punto was rarely parked in his first-team space at Colney, alongside the Audis, Mercedes and Land Rovers of his new team-mates, and manager Alex Neil had to remind Ben — in his customary forceful manner — that his boots needed to be left for the club’s academy scholars to clean not be taken back to his digs to do the job himself.

Harley Black was given those honours while the scholars included Todd Cantwell, Godfrey’s first house-mate in Norwich. Midfielder Cantwell is also with England’s Under-21s this week after his own impressive arrival on the Premier League stage over recent weeks.

It did not take long for the Godfreys to realise things were about to change, starting with finding Ben an agent.

One pitch involved promises of free editions of the FIFA video game, Mum never missing a birthday card, boot deals and knocking on doors if England didn’t come calling — a tactic that sailed over Ben’s head as he looked for the right environment to make the most of his shot at elite football. His parents’ reaction bordered on relief. Ben is now signed up to New Era Global Sports Management.

“Daniel Farke, Alex Neil, the agents and everyone; they kind of replace us as parents. Ben might ring me to say he’s left his bank card at home, ask me to buy this thing online for him or to Google what films are on somewhere. As a father as well, on those cold, rainy days when it would be just me and Levi, I would look at him and I’d know that face. I’d know I would have to pick him up a little bit or say something to tell him he was doing really well,” admits Alex, who labels Norwich’s handling of his son “first class” — especially the involvement of loans manager Neil Adams.

“When Ben was on loan at Shrewsbury for the 2017-18 season, Neil’s management of Ben was top drawer. Your son goes down to Norwich, and then he goes out on loan to Shrewsbury for a year, it’s like a stretch again. We don’t know Shrewsbury. We don’t know their equivalent of Stuart Webber, or their liaison officer, we know nothing about it. So to know Neil was going down there and speaking to Ben every day… we don’t know what those conversations involved, it was just good to know he was happy.”

That year under manager Paul Hurst involved a surprising League One promotion push that ended with a play-off final loss to Rotherham after extra time. Ben had also experienced defeat at Wembley the previous month, in the EFL Trophy final to League Two Lincoln. He excelled all season as Hurst’s holding midfielder.

Before Shrewsbury, Ben’s first 18 months at Carrow Road involved extremely limited public involvement.

After doing an excellent job of convincing him to join Norwich, Neil protected his young prospect to the point of barely playing him at all. Meanwhile, Ben was still learning to play the game at an elite level while training alongside Josh and Jacob Murphy. He noted their really quick feet — and speed in general. Steven Naismith, Graham Dorrans, Jonny Howson… the list of players he was rubbing shoulders with and the amount Ben learned in training was more than he could have imagined.

It was what gave him the tools to shine at Shrewsbury.

Alex Godfrey had a professional sports career of his own, albeit a short one.

His time in rugby league with York City Knights, Dewsbury Rams and Hull KR made a crowd-pleasing impact but included a failed appeal in 2004 against a two-year ban, after testing positive for an element linked to cocaine. He played his final game in 2007.

It is clear rugby was never a passion — “I didn’t really enjoy the sport; if you said to me, ‘Do you want to go outside for a game of rugby?’ I’d say, ‘No, thanks'” — and he is uncomfortable talking about his own career when the present-day story is his son: “In relation to Ben and on a personal level, I just don’t connect the two.”

Alex’s role at York College since leaving rugby has involved managing the pastoral care of students for more than 12 years. Ben’s pride in his father is unshakeable and his family’s influence on him undeniable. Whatever has happened in the past, it has helped shape a hugely impressive present and promising future.

“Because of the way Ben was brought up and the way he is as a person, he’s an absolutely brilliant young man and he makes time for everyone. His family were very involved and Ben is so proud of his dad. His mum and dad live for their children. They are a lovely, lovely family. Every session, his parents would be there,” Kelly told The Athletic.

“As a football coach, all I’ve ever wanted to do is work with players and see them develop, and to see someone like Ben do what he’s done, that makes my job worthwhile. At times it gives me goosebumps to see him prosper, because if there is ever a young lad that you think deserves what he gets, it’s Ben.”

During Norwich’s Championship-winning campaign last season, Ben showed patience.

He was involved more than most during pre-season but was left out of the travelling party for the opening-day draw at Birmingham. Rotherham, among others, wanted to take him on loan. It took Timm Klose’s injury in the warm-up before Bolton’s December visit for Ben to start a game. It came at centre-back.

He has held on to the position for every minute of Norwich’s league action since.

“People said he stood in really well against Bolton, but he did more than that,” says Alex. “For me, that day his patience and professionalism showed it’s about more than what you’ve got on the field. It’s what you’ve got off the field, and that is Ben’s make-up. He’s played with kids who have got more technical ability or are faster than him that haven’t made it in the game because they haven’t got what Ben has got off the field. Then when you get to train with international players, you become a better player than they would have ever become.”

What happens next is as hard to predict now as it was in York nine years ago.

From being turned down by Barnsley and Leeds, it is now the likes of Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Lyon keeping a close eye on the defender’s development.

His visits home have already started to change too.

The family joke that when Ben was last in York having dinner with his mum in a restaurant, a friend sent him a picture of the event that got posted on social media.

The Godfreys have been unable to accept their previous two invites to join Norwich’s majority shareholders Delia Smith and Michael Wynn Jones in the directors’ box for a game for logistical reasons. But Alex smiles in admitting he is “gagging to have that honour” — the tuna steak served at Colney, from Delia’s own recipe, remains one of the reasons why Alex allowed his son to join Norwich in the first place.

As for Ben’s football career, the emotions are already undeniable.

“He’s a lad from York who grew up on a council estate, who has done extremely well for himself and works really hard. Anybody who knows him will know how hard he’s worked and what he’s had to endure. He comes from a really close, supportive family and we’re immensely proud of him. It’s brilliant,” beams Alex.

With Max Aarons also with England Under-21s and Jamal Lewis on full international duty for Northern Ireland this fortnight, Alex says, “Norwich are on the verge of doing something unique and really special. You don’t see it in football much and maybe it’s just me being romantic with sport, but it would be so great to see their young players — the boy band, I think they’ve been called — stay together. It feels like home for us, him being at Norwich. He’s playing and he’s loving it.

“From playing sport myself, I remember someone saying to me if you run the 100 metres and your goal is to beat everyone in that race, you’ve failed before you have started because you might be up against people who are faster than you. All you can say is that you’re going to beat your own personal best, and that’s what I want Ben to do. I just want him to become a better player of himself.

“England is a massive call-up, if it comes. But does that prove you’re better than everyone else?

“If Norwich go down and he becomes a Championship player for the rest of his days, I’ll be a happy man and enjoy everything he’s done. If he played 10 years at Norwich in the Premier League, I’d know he’s had a really good career and a good life out of football.

“Although I don’t know what his mum would want — probably for him to captain England!”
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 02, 2020, 03:57:57 PM
For the cheapskates please...ta

“They kind of replace us as parents, which is really sad because when they’re 12 you are telling them to cheer up, get that smile on your face, go out there and do X, Y and Z… And then you’re not needed any more.”
Ben Godfrey is at St George’s Park for the very start of his preparations for the biggest assignment of his international career to date.
A first England Under-21s call-up has come just four games into the defender’s Premier League story with Norwich – with Aidy Boothroyd’s side facing Turkey on Friday evening. Meanwhile, his dad is enrolling new students at York College.
The family has come a long way in little more than a decade, working their way through things they vow not to face again, the pitfalls of trials and idiosyncrasies of agents. But there is still so much of the road left to travel.
The life and journey of a young footballer fighting to make his way in the game is one view. The same path through the eyes of a parent can be quite another.
“I would get in from work and he would sit on the doorstep, I’m talking six days a week, with his football and his boots. As long as he had a football, he was happy,” recalls Alex Godfrey of Ben’s childhood.
Each time, father and son would head to a nearby cricket field in York. Its outfield was so well kept, it provided the perfect surface for left-foot striking practice. The only consideration was constantly moving their location so they didn’t interfere with the groundsman’s grass-cutting routine. The alternative football pitch had more in common with a cow pasture.
“Every dad thinks their kid is great. I played a little bit of sport and I liked to think compared to everybody else, he had that awareness and physicality against bigger or older players,” says Alex. “From when he first started playing with under-sevens, I would say I knew straight away. People say you can’t know but I think I did, because of what you could see in his ability — but when I say that, I mean making a living (from football). Not that he would be Premier-League-good.”
It does not take long in the 40-year-old’s company to realise this is a close family unit. Alex has worked at York College for 15 years. Mum Sharon is a primary-school teaching assistant. The pair, who have been together since their own schooldays, are now bringing up Ben’s sisters Levi, 11, and four-year-old Sylvie, who is already throwing herself into swimming lessons and threatening to start the football cycle once more.
“It’s exciting when somebody comes up to you at the side of the pitch and says, ‘I’m from Leeds and I think your lad’s played really well.’ You think, ‘Thank you. He’s worked really hard for this and I’m glad you appreciate that.’ You don’t say that! You just think it’s brilliant,” says Alex.
“It has been a journey with Ben that, if I’m honest, I probably wouldn’t want to go through again. Sylvie is football-mad. She was going out in the street with a ball and wanted to go to football lessons, so we took her to Diddikicks (football classes for pre-schoolers). There’s not much football involved, it’s more running round cones and things, but she loves it and they’ve now progressed her on to the outdoor stuff, and I’m saying to Sharon, ‘Listen, I don’t know if I can…’ Just the torment and the upset. You get to that age and I dread the day a scout comes over in his jacket and says, ‘I represent…’ I can’t do it again.”
Sylvie was born shortly before her brother first left home, an 18-year-old headed for Norwich City with his first professional contract finally signed and sealed.
He has only made one family Christmas since, and football commitments have prevented Ben making any of her birthdays. Sacrifice is a word easily written, but sometimes it deserves more consideration than it gets.
Competing in League Two, and with the likes of Andy Bishop leading the line, football remained York’s preserve despite its rugby rivals. Ben’s early outings while at Archbishop Holgate School included captaining his Minstermen’s youth side and York Schools Under-13s to a historic English Schools FA Trophy success in 2011, before Middlesbrough came calling.
Initially picked up as a central defender, by the end of his two-year spell Ben was playing left-back — and not enjoying the experience. Boro were struggling to see beyond his below-par performances and a mutual separation followed.
“We came away and Ben was just in tears in the back of the car, distraught,” recalls his father.
An opportunity to join Sheffield Wednesday soon materialised, helped by Sharon wearing heels when they visited the club. Prospective clubs ask a player’s parents to submit their own heights, and Mum’s had been declared as a few inches more than her actual 5ft 7 in.
After a successful trial, Ben was offered a two-year deal, only for the realities of making a 120-mile round trip for a 5pm training session four times each week to hit home: “They are telling you about it and you can feel it draining out of you, while Ben is sat there getting more and more excited. And you just have to say, ‘Look, it’s not possible’.”
A trial at Barnsley was next but come its conclusion, future Tykes boss Paul Heckingbottom felt Ben was not the right fit for his youth set-up. Six weeks at Leeds followed, after which Ben was judged against the best player already on the club’s books — a nod to the fact academies often find themselves concentrating on one or two prospects they feel have a chance of completing their development with the club. In this instance it was Jack Vann, and Ben failed Leeds’ comparison. (Vann, United’s highly-rated prospect was himself released in May 2017, and is currently without a club following a spell with Harrogate Town).
At this point, Mum stepped in.
“It was Sharon’s idea,” Alex told The Athletic. “As you go through the football academy years, you see the older players do a lot of it: going round every club to have a look. We left Boro with a plan to join Barnsley. Then Sheffield Wednesday jumped in. We went to Barnsley, then Leeds. It felt as though we were almost falling into the trap of chasing every team until one of them says yes.
“So after all those trials, six-week trials, driving three or four days a week, she said, ‘Why don’t we go to York and see what they say? They know him; let’s see if they will have him, if he’s good enough.'”
The move proved an inspired decision.
Youth coaches Darren Kelly, Andy Snell and John Stockton took Ben straight into York’s Under-15 side, where some of his old U13 team-mates were waiting to welcome him back.
Successive first-team managers Nigel Worthington, Russ Wilcox and Jackie McNamara all played their part in his progression.
It was Wilcox who handed Ben his senior debut at the age of 17 in August 2015 — playing as the holding midfielder in a 1-0 home League Two win over Yeovil. By the following January, the kid was moving to the Premier League.
“He came to us as such a shy boy, but an amazing boy. He always wanted to learn, he was a very gifted young man and if you ever saw a player as disciplined and hard working, he was it,” says Kelly, who was York’s lead youth coach and is now sporting director at Northern Premier League Hyde United.
“I remember when Ben was 15 and the academy was training at the University of York. Ben was injured, he was in the physio room. There was this under-nine with him and Ben started talking to him, and it just made the little lad’s day. Everybody adored and looked up to Ben because he was so highly thought-of. He made that lad feel so special, it’s untrue. And that’s Ben in a nutshell.”
Kelly put in the effort to make sure Ben’s talents, deployed at York in centre-back and midfield roles, were not overlooked. Letters followed to every scout he knew, as well as the Football Associations in England and Jamaica, where Alex has roots.
York fans may well consider Ben’s departure a missed opportunity. They took their time offering him a professional deal and once he had a handful of League Two appearances under his belt, the secret was out. Barnsley, in the division above, returned to the picture with heavy interest while Huddersfield, struggling in the Championship under new head coach David Wagner and head of football operations Stuart Webber, pushed hard to make Ben a Terrier.
They came close, but once Norwich knocked on the door with Premier League opportunities, the matter was effectively settled. After three rejected bids, a fourth of £150,000 rising to £1 million was accepted.
In a January 2016 transfer window that was much derided by their supporters at the time, the Canaries also signed young Coventry prospect James Maddison.
Webber would ultimately get to work with both, following his switch from Huddersfield to become Norwich’s sporting director little more than a year later.
Having signed up at York College as part of his apprenticeship with the Minstermen, Ben wrapped up and passed his studies early, with he and his mum driving to Norwich in his Fiat Punto as the Canaries’ latest first-team player, even though the 18-year-old did not feel he had earned such status after just five league starts for York.
That Punto was rarely parked in his first-team space at Colney, alongside the Audis, Mercedes and Land Rovers of his new team-mates, and manager Alex Neil had to remind Ben — in his customary forceful manner — that his boots needed to be left for the club’s academy scholars to clean not be taken back to his digs to do the job himself.
Harley Black was given those honours while the scholars included Todd Cantwell, Godfrey’s first house-mate in Norwich. Midfielder Cantwell is also with England’s Under-21s this week after his own impressive arrival on the Premier League stage over recent weeks.
It did not take long for the Godfreys to realise things were about to change, starting with finding Ben an agent.
One pitch involved promises of free editions of the FIFA video game, Mum never missing a birthday card, boot deals and knocking on doors if England didn’t come calling — a tactic that sailed over Ben’s head as he looked for the right environment to make the most of his shot at elite football. His parents’ reaction bordered on relief. Ben is now signed up to New Era Global Sports Management.
“Daniel Farke, Alex Neil, the agents and everyone; they kind of replace us as parents. Ben might ring me to say he’s left his bank card at home, ask me to buy this thing online for him or to Google what films are on somewhere. As a father as well, on those cold, rainy days when it would be just me and Levi, I would look at him and I’d know that face. I’d know I would have to pick him up a little bit or say something to tell him he was doing really well,” admits Alex, who labels Norwich’s handling of his son “first class” — especially the involvement of loans manager Neil Adams.
“When Ben was on loan at Shrewsbury for the 2017-18 season, Neil’s management of Ben was top drawer. Your son goes down to Norwich, and then he goes out on loan to Shrewsbury for a year, it’s like a stretch again. We don’t know Shrewsbury. We don’t know their equivalent of Stuart Webber, or their liaison officer, we know nothing about it. So to know Neil was going down there and speaking to Ben every day… we don’t know what those conversations involved, it was just good to know he was happy.”
That year under manager Paul Hurst involved a surprising League One promotion push that ended with a play-off final loss to Rotherham after extra time. Ben had also experienced defeat at Wembley the previous month, in the EFL Trophy final to League Two Lincoln. He excelled all season as Hurst’s holding midfielder.
Before Shrewsbury, Ben’s first 18 months at Carrow Road involved extremely limited public involvement.
After doing an excellent job of convincing him to join Norwich, Neil protected his young prospect to the point of barely playing him at all. Meanwhile, Ben was still learning to play the game at an elite level while training alongside Josh and Jacob Murphy. He noted their really quick feet — and speed in general. Steven Naismith, Graham Dorrans, Jonny Howson… the list of players he was rubbing shoulders with and the amount Ben learned in training was more than he could have imagined.
It was what gave him the tools to shine at Shrewsbury. 
Alex Godfrey had a professional sports career of his own, albeit a short one.
His time in rugby league with York City Knights, Dewsbury Rams and Hull KR made a crowd-pleasing impact but included a failed appeal in 2004 against a two-year ban, after testing positive for an element linked to cocaine. He played his final game in 2007.
It is clear rugby was never a passion — “I didn’t really enjoy the sport; if you said to me, ‘Do you want to go outside for a game of rugby?’ I’d say, ‘No, thanks'” — and he is uncomfortable talking about his own career when the present-day story is his son: “In relation to Ben and on a personal level, I just don’t connect the two.”
Alex’s role at York College since leaving rugby has involved managing the pastoral care of students for more than 12 years. Ben’s pride in his father is unshakeable and his family’s influence on him undeniable. Whatever has happened in the past, it has helped shape a hugely impressive present and promising future.
“Because of the way Ben was brought up and the way he is as a person, he’s an absolutely brilliant young man and he makes time for everyone. His family were very involved and Ben is so proud of his dad. His mum and dad live for their children. They are a lovely, lovely family. Every session, his parents would be there,” Kelly told The Athletic.
“As a football coach, all I’ve ever wanted to do is work with players and see them develop, and to see someone like Ben do what he’s done, that makes my job worthwhile. At times it gives me goosebumps to see him prosper, because if there is ever a young lad that you think deserves what he gets, it’s Ben.”
During Norwich’s Championship-winning campaign last season, Ben showed patience.
He was involved more than most during pre-season but was left out of the travelling party for the opening-day draw at Birmingham. Rotherham, among others, wanted to take him on loan. It took Timm Klose’s injury in the warm-up before Bolton’s December visit for Ben to start a game. It came at centre-back.
He has held on to the position for every minute of Norwich’s league action since.
“People said he stood in really well against Bolton, but he did more than that,” says Alex. “For me, that day his patience and professionalism showed it’s about more than what you’ve got on the field. It’s what you’ve got off the field, and that is Ben’s make-up. He’s played with kids who have got more technical ability or are faster than him that haven’t made it in the game because they haven’t got what Ben has got off the field. Then when you get to train with international players, you become a better player than they would have ever become.”
What happens next is as hard to predict now as it was in York nine years ago.
From being turned down by Barnsley and Leeds, it is now the likes of Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Lyon keeping a close eye on the defender’s development.
His visits home have already started to change too.
The family joke that when Ben was last in York having dinner with his mum in a restaurant, a friend sent him a picture of the event that got posted on social media.
The Godfreys have been unable to accept their previous two invites to join Norwich’s majority shareholders Delia Smith and Michael Wynn Jones in the directors’ box for a game for logistical reasons. But Alex smiles in admitting he is “gagging to have that honour” — the tuna steak served at Colney, from Delia’s own recipe, remains one of the reasons why Alex allowed his son to join Norwich in the first place.
As for Ben’s football career, the emotions are already undeniable.
“He’s a lad from York who grew up on a council estate, who has done extremely well for himself and works really hard. Anybody who knows him will know how hard he’s worked and what he’s had to endure. He comes from a really close, supportive family and we’re immensely proud of him. It’s brilliant,” beams Alex.
With Max Aarons also with England Under-21s and Jamal Lewis on full international duty for Northern Ireland this fortnight, Alex says, “Norwich are on the verge of doing something unique and really special. You don’t see it in football much and maybe it’s just me being romantic with sport, but it would be so great to see their young players — the boy band, I think they’ve been called — stay together. It feels like home for us, him being at Norwich. He’s playing and he’s loving it.
“From playing sport myself, I remember someone saying to me if you run the 100 metres and your goal is to beat everyone in that race, you’ve failed before you have started because you might be up against people who are faster than you. All you can say is that you’re going to beat your own personal best, and that’s what I want Ben to do. I just want him to become a better player of himself.
“England is a massive call-up, if it comes. But does that prove you’re better than everyone else?
“If Norwich go down and he becomes a Championship player for the rest of his days, I’ll be a happy man and enjoy everything he’s done. If he played 10 years at Norwich in the Premier League, I’d know he’s had a really good career and a good life out of football.
“Although I don’t know what his mum would want — probably for him to captain England!”
(Photo: Charlotte Wilson/Offside/Offside via Getty Images)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sirblue57 on October 02, 2020, 04:44:20 PM
“They kind of replace us as parents, which is really sad because when they’re 12 you are telling them to cheer up, get that smile on your face, go out there and do X, Y and Z… And then you’re not needed any more.”
Ben Godfrey is at St George’s Park for the very start of his preparations for the biggest assignment of his international career to date.
A first England Under-21s call-up has come just four games into the defender’s Premier League story with Norwich – with Aidy Boothroyd’s side facing Turkey on Friday evening. Meanwhile, his dad is enrolling new students at York College.
The family has come a long way in little more than a decade, working their way through things they vow not to face again, the pitfalls of trials and idiosyncrasies of agents. But there is still so much of the road left to travel.
The life and journey of a young footballer fighting to make his way in the game is one view. The same path through the eyes of a parent can be quite another.
“I would get in from work and he would sit on the doorstep, I’m talking six days a week, with his football and his boots. As long as he had a football, he was happy,” recalls Alex Godfrey of Ben’s childhood.
Each time, father and son would head to a nearby cricket field in York. Its outfield was so well kept, it provided the perfect surface for left-foot striking practice. The only consideration was constantly moving their location so they didn’t interfere with the groundsman’s grass-cutting routine. The alternative football pitch had more in common with a cow pasture.
“Every dad thinks their kid is great. I played a little bit of sport and I liked to think compared to everybody else, he had that awareness and physicality against bigger or older players,” says Alex. “From when he first started playing with under-sevens, I would say I knew straight away. People say you can’t know but I think I did, because of what you could see in his ability — but when I say that, I mean making a living (from football). Not that he would be Premier-League-good.”
It does not take long in the 40-year-old’s company to realise this is a close family unit. Alex has worked at York College for 15 years. Mum Sharon is a primary-school teaching assistant. The pair, who have been together since their own schooldays, are now bringing up Ben’s sisters Levi, 11, and four-year-old Sylvie, who is already throwing herself into swimming lessons and threatening to start the football cycle once more.
“It’s exciting when somebody comes up to you at the side of the pitch and says, ‘I’m from Leeds and I think your lad’s played really well.’ You think, ‘Thank you. He’s worked really hard for this and I’m glad you appreciate that.’ You don’t say that! You just think it’s brilliant,” says Alex.
“It has been a journey with Ben that, if I’m honest, I probably wouldn’t want to go through again. Sylvie is football-mad. She was going out in the street with a ball and wanted to go to football lessons, so we took her to Diddikicks (football classes for pre-schoolers). There’s not much football involved, it’s more running round cones and things, but she loves it and they’ve now progressed her on to the outdoor stuff, and I’m saying to Sharon, ‘Listen, I don’t know if I can…’ Just the torment and the upset. You get to that age and I dread the day a scout comes over in his jacket and says, ‘I represent…’ I can’t do it again.”
Sylvie was born shortly before her brother first left home, an 18-year-old headed for Norwich City with his first professional contract finally signed and sealed.
He has only made one family Christmas since, and football commitments have prevented Ben making any of her birthdays. Sacrifice is a word easily written, but sometimes it deserves more consideration than it gets.
Competing in League Two, and with the likes of Andy Bishop leading the line, football remained York’s preserve despite its rugby rivals. Ben’s early outings while at Archbishop Holgate School included captaining his Minstermen’s youth side and York Schools Under-13s to a historic English Schools FA Trophy success in 2011, before Middlesbrough came calling.
Initially picked up as a central defender, by the end of his two-year spell Ben was playing left-back — and not enjoying the experience. Boro were struggling to see beyond his below-par performances and a mutual separation followed.
“We came away and Ben was just in tears in the back of the car, distraught,” recalls his father.
An opportunity to join Sheffield Wednesday soon materialised, helped by Sharon wearing heels when they visited the club. Prospective clubs ask a player’s parents to submit their own heights, and Mum’s had been declared as a few inches more than her actual 5ft 7 in.
After a successful trial, Ben was offered a two-year deal, only for the realities of making a 120-mile round trip for a 5pm training session four times each week to hit home: “They are telling you about it and you can feel it draining out of you, while Ben is sat there getting more and more excited. And you just have to say, ‘Look, it’s not possible’.”
A trial at Barnsley was next but come its conclusion, future Tykes boss Paul Heckingbottom felt Ben was not the right fit for his youth set-up. Six weeks at Leeds followed, after which Ben was judged against the best player already on the club’s books — a nod to the fact academies often find themselves concentrating on one or two prospects they feel have a chance of completing their development with the club. In this instance it was Jack Vann, and Ben failed Leeds’ comparison. (Vann, United’s highly-rated prospect was himself released in May 2017, and is currently without a club following a spell with Harrogate Town).
At this point, Mum stepped in.
“It was Sharon’s idea,” Alex told The Athletic. “As you go through the football academy years, you see the older players do a lot of it: going round every club to have a look. We left Boro with a plan to join Barnsley. Then Sheffield Wednesday jumped in. We went to Barnsley, then Leeds. It felt as though we were almost falling into the trap of chasing every team until one of them says yes.
“So after all those trials, six-week trials, driving three or four days a week, she said, ‘Why don’t we go to York and see what they say? They know him; let’s see if they will have him, if he’s good enough.'”
The move proved an inspired decision.
Youth coaches Darren Kelly, Andy Snell and John Stockton took Ben straight into York’s Under-15 side, where some of his old U13 team-mates were waiting to welcome him back.
Successive first-team managers Nigel Worthington, Russ Wilcox and Jackie McNamara all played their part in his progression.
It was Wilcox who handed Ben his senior debut at the age of 17 in August 2015 — playing as the holding midfielder in a 1-0 home League Two win over Yeovil. By the following January, the kid was moving to the Premier League.
“He came to us as such a shy boy, but an amazing boy. He always wanted to learn, he was a very gifted young man and if you ever saw a player as disciplined and hard working, he was it,” says Kelly, who was York’s lead youth coach and is now sporting director at Northern Premier League Hyde United.
“I remember when Ben was 15 and the academy was training at the University of York. Ben was injured, he was in the physio room. There was this under-nine with him and Ben started talking to him, and it just made the little lad’s day. Everybody adored and looked up to Ben because he was so highly thought-of. He made that lad feel so special, it’s untrue. And that’s Ben in a nutshell.”
Kelly put in the effort to make sure Ben’s talents, deployed at York in centre-back and midfield roles, were not overlooked. Letters followed to every scout he knew, as well as the Football Associations in England and Jamaica, where Alex has roots.
York fans may well consider Ben’s departure a missed opportunity. They took their time offering him a professional deal and once he had a handful of League Two appearances under his belt, the secret was out. Barnsley, in the division above, returned to the picture with heavy interest while Huddersfield, struggling in the Championship under new head coach David Wagner and head of football operations Stuart Webber, pushed hard to make Ben a Terrier.
They came close, but once Norwich knocked on the door with Premier League opportunities, the matter was effectively settled. After three rejected bids, a fourth of £150,000 rising to £1 million was accepted.
In a January 2016 transfer window that was much derided by their supporters at the time, the Canaries also signed young Coventry prospect James Maddison.
Webber would ultimately get to work with both, following his switch from Huddersfield to become Norwich’s sporting director little more than a year later.
Having signed up at York College as part of his apprenticeship with the Minstermen, Ben wrapped up and passed his studies early, with he and his mum driving to Norwich in his Fiat Punto as the Canaries’ latest first-team player, even though the 18-year-old did not feel he had earned such status after just five league starts for York.
That Punto was rarely parked in his first-team space at Colney, alongside the Audis, Mercedes and Land Rovers of his new team-mates, and manager Alex Neil had to remind Ben — in his customary forceful manner — that his boots needed to be left for the club’s academy scholars to clean not be taken back to his digs to do the job himself.
Harley Black was given those honours while the scholars included Todd Cantwell, Godfrey’s first house-mate in Norwich. Midfielder Cantwell is also with England’s Under-21s this week after his own impressive arrival on the Premier League stage over recent weeks.
It did not take long for the Godfreys to realise things were about to change, starting with finding Ben an agent.
One pitch involved promises of free editions of the FIFA video game, Mum never missing a birthday card, boot deals and knocking on doors if England didn’t come calling — a tactic that sailed over Ben’s head as he looked for the right environment to make the most of his shot at elite football. His parents’ reaction bordered on relief. Ben is now signed up to New Era Global Sports Management.
“Daniel Farke, Alex Neil, the agents and everyone; they kind of replace us as parents. Ben might ring me to say he’s left his bank card at home, ask me to buy this thing online for him or to Google what films are on somewhere. As a father as well, on those cold, rainy days when it would be just me and Levi, I would look at him and I’d know that face. I’d know I would have to pick him up a little bit or say something to tell him he was doing really well,” admits Alex, who labels Norwich’s handling of his son “first class” — especially the involvement of loans manager Neil Adams.
“When Ben was on loan at Shrewsbury for the 2017-18 season, Neil’s management of Ben was top drawer. Your son goes down to Norwich, and then he goes out on loan to Shrewsbury for a year, it’s like a stretch again. We don’t know Shrewsbury. We don’t know their equivalent of Stuart Webber, or their liaison officer, we know nothing about it. So to know Neil was going down there and speaking to Ben every day… we don’t know what those conversations involved, it was just good to know he was happy.”
That year under manager Paul Hurst involved a surprising League One promotion push that ended with a play-off final loss to Rotherham after extra time. Ben had also experienced defeat at Wembley the previous month, in the EFL Trophy final to League Two Lincoln. He excelled all season as Hurst’s holding midfielder.
Before Shrewsbury, Ben’s first 18 months at Carrow Road involved extremely limited public involvement.
After doing an excellent job of convincing him to join Norwich, Neil protected his young prospect to the point of barely playing him at all. Meanwhile, Ben was still learning to play the game at an elite level while training alongside Josh and Jacob Murphy. He noted their really quick feet — and speed in general. Steven Naismith, Graham Dorrans, Jonny Howson… the list of players he was rubbing shoulders with and the amount Ben learned in training was more than he could have imagined.
It was what gave him the tools to shine at Shrewsbury.
Alex Godfrey had a professional sports career of his own, albeit a short one.
His time in rugby league with York City Knights, Dewsbury Rams and Hull KR made a crowd-pleasing impact but included a failed appeal in 2004 against a two-year ban, after testing positive for an element linked to cocaine. He played his final game in 2007.
It is clear rugby was never a passion — “I didn’t really enjoy the sport; if you said to me, ‘Do you want to go outside for a game of rugby?’ I’d say, ‘No, thanks'” — and he is uncomfortable talking about his own career when the present-day story is his son: “In relation to Ben and on a personal level, I just don’t connect the two.”
Alex’s role at York College since leaving rugby has involved managing the pastoral care of students for more than 12 years. Ben’s pride in his father is unshakeable and his family’s influence on him undeniable. Whatever has happened in the past, it has helped shape a hugely impressive present and promising future.
“Because of the way Ben was brought up and the way he is as a person, he’s an absolutely brilliant young man and he makes time for everyone. His family were very involved and Ben is so proud of his dad. His mum and dad live for their children. They are a lovely, lovely family. Every session, his parents would be there,” Kelly told The Athletic.
“As a football coach, all I’ve ever wanted to do is work with players and see them develop, and to see someone like Ben do what he’s done, that makes my job worthwhile. At times it gives me goosebumps to see him prosper, because if there is ever a young lad that you think deserves what he gets, it’s Ben.”
During Norwich’s Championship-winning campaign last season, Ben showed patience.
He was involved more than most during pre-season but was left out of the travelling party for the opening-day draw at Birmingham. Rotherham, among others, wanted to take him on loan. It took Timm Klose’s injury in the warm-up before Bolton’s December visit for Ben to start a game. It came at centre-back.
He has held on to the position for every minute of Norwich’s league action since.
“People said he stood in really well against Bolton, but he did more than that,” says Alex. “For me, that day his patience and professionalism showed it’s about more than what you’ve got on the field. It’s what you’ve got off the field, and that is Ben’s make-up. He’s played with kids who have got more technical ability or are faster than him that haven’t made it in the game because they haven’t got what Ben has got off the field. Then when you get to train with international players, you become a better player than they would have ever become.”
What happens next is as hard to predict now as it was in York nine years ago.
From being turned down by Barnsley and Leeds, it is now the likes of Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Lyon keeping a close eye on the defender’s development.
His visits home have already started to change too.
The family joke that when Ben was last in York having dinner with his mum in a restaurant, a friend sent him a picture of the event that got posted on social media.
The Godfreys have been unable to accept their previous two invites to join Norwich’s majority shareholders Delia Smith and Michael Wynn Jones in the directors’ box for a game for logistical reasons. But Alex smiles in admitting he is “gagging to have that honour” — the tuna steak served at Colney, from Delia’s own recipe, remains one of the reasons why Alex allowed his son to join Norwich in the first place.
As for Ben’s football career, the emotions are already undeniable.
“He’s a lad from York who grew up on a council estate, who has done extremely well for himself and works really hard. Anybody who knows him will know how hard he’s worked and what he’s had to endure. He comes from a really close, supportive family and we’re immensely proud of him. It’s brilliant,” beams Alex.
With Max Aarons also with England Under-21s and Jamal Lewis on full international duty for Northern Ireland this fortnight, Alex says, “Norwich are on the verge of doing something unique and really special. You don’t see it in football much and maybe it’s just me being romantic with sport, but it would be so great to see their young players — the boy band, I think they’ve been called — stay together. It feels like home for us, him being at Norwich. He’s playing and he’s loving it.
“From playing sport myself, I remember someone saying to me if you run the 100 metres and your goal is to beat everyone in that race, you’ve failed before you have started because you might be up against people who are faster than you. All you can say is that you’re going to beat your own personal best, and that’s what I want Ben to do. I just want him to become a better player of himself.
“England is a massive call-up, if it comes. But does that prove you’re better than everyone else?
“If Norwich go down and he becomes a Championship player for the rest of his days, I’ll be a happy man and enjoy everything he’s done. If he played 10 years at Norwich in the Premier League, I’d know he’s had a really good career and a good life out of football.
“Although I don’t know what his mum would want — probably for him to captain England!”
(Photo: Charlotte Wilson/Offside/Offside via Getty Images)

Cheers mate
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 02, 2020, 05:15:10 PM
Big piece on him in The Athletic from the start of the season.

https://theathletic.com/1174211/2019/09/06/england-u21s-called-godfrey-up-after-four-premier-league-games-but-he-is-far-from-an-overnight-success/


Cracking read, he sounds like a top lad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: MmmblueBernard on October 02, 2020, 05:48:58 PM
Love his life story. But, is he any good at footy?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 02, 2020, 06:12:39 PM
Love his life story. But, is he any good at footy?

By all accounts, yes, yes he is.

But not the finished article.

Give this read over, good statistical comparison to Holgate too:

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2020/10/2/21497651/everton-transfer-rumours-news-ben-godfrey-transfer-fee-confirmed-norwich-holgate-carlo-ancelotti
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 06:20:50 PM
Great read, a future captain for us?

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 02, 2020, 06:52:32 PM
(https://generate.gifglobe.com/?s=partridge&e=S01E01&i=S01E01-uPZRiTzx&t1=Can%20I%20just%20shock%20you?&t2=I%20like%20the%20Esk.)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on October 02, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
By all accounts, yes, yes he is.

But not the finished article.

Give this read over, good statistical comparison to Holgate too:

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2020/10/2/21497651/everton-transfer-rumours-news-ben-godfrey-transfer-fee-confirmed-norwich-holgate-carlo-ancelotti

Really interesting metrics. I suspect some of Ben's poorer stats will improve just by playing for a better team like Everton. His tackling and interceptions will get higher as he bulks up through his natural growth.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 02, 2020, 08:25:38 PM
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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: MexicanToffee on October 02, 2020, 09:08:35 PM
(https://images.app.goo.gl/zAyncqsGMHwNWzxG9)
When I heard we had signed Godfrey I thought yes....that sounds like Everton....buying a genuine hero a little passed his prime.



Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee1 on October 02, 2020, 09:15:51 PM
(https://images.app.goo.gl/zAyncqsGMHwNWzxG9)
When I heard we had signed Godfrey I thought yes....that sounds like Everton....buying a genuine hero a little passed his prime.




Arnold Ridley who played Godfrey, in real life was a veteran of both the First and Second World War, he took part in the Battle of the Somme and also fought in France in 1939.

He is also the great uncle of Daisy Ridley, who played Rey in the Star Wars franchise.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 02, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
Depressing when you’re older than a player’s Dad, ffs.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 02, 2020, 09:42:46 PM
Depressing when you’re older than a player’s Dad, ffs.


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haha I remember being younger than players, then getting to the same age, and then getting older than them. Now I never went that far with thinking about being older than a player's dad!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 02, 2020, 09:53:55 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1312041459101634562?s=
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 02, 2020, 10:06:07 PM
Arnold Ridley who played Godfrey, in real life was a veteran of both the First and Second World War, he took part in the Battle of the Somme and also fought in France in 1939.

He is also the great uncle of Daisy Ridley, who played Rey in the Star Wars franchise.

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gary1878 on October 02, 2020, 10:08:13 PM
Godfrey missed training on Friday morning to undergo a medical and finalise personal terms after the two clubs thrashed out a £25m deal, plus add ons, on Thursday evening. This is the full transcript of what Farke makes of Godfrey’s pending exit.

“I can’t confirm a deal is done yet. What I can confirm is that Ben has trained the whole week with us and was in our plans for Derby. He trained on Thursday but then during the evening there was some progress on the work in the background and what I can confirm is Ben did not train today.

“He is in advanced, or more than advanced talks, with his agent and a club. If I have to judge it right now it is pretty likely the deal is done in the next hours or days. If not, I would be happy because I have the best centre back in the division. If not, then I cannot confirm sums but it will be a club record transfer fee for Norwich City.

“He won’t be with us for the Derby game. I can confirm that. Whoever signs Ben Godfrey can be unbelievably happy. It is no coincidence he is captain of the England Under-21s. This club has had some decent players in the best so to be rated the biggest transfer fee for a figure that is on the world level says everything about his potential.

“He had a lot of competition on the centre back positions but for me he played the most minutes of any centre back here. It says a lot about his development. I don’t need to speak about his strengths or where he can improve. I am pretty sure he will play for best clubs in the world one day and he has the potential to captain England. That is what I wish for him.

“He is one of the best centre backs in the world in terms of potential. I was happy to be able to work with him. I would like to work further on with him.

“It is always a compliment when the biggest clubs in this country look at our players. We should feel proud and it shows we have definitely done something right. La Masia (Barcelona’s academy) can close the doors because everyone looks at Norwich. We have developed some of the biggest talents in this country.

“It started with the Murphys, James Maddison and so on. Sadly we have already lost Jamal Lewis, the best left back in this league. Pretty likely we now lose the best centre back and we still have some real talent with potential.

“It doesn’t help me in the short term. It is never esay to win games. That is why I would never want to sell. I don’t want to earn the biggest money in this country. I am highly motivated to win football games and you stand a better chance with all your top players. But it is a sign of quality work. I am not naive.

“The only self-funding club must listen to crazy offers and then make a decision. On the short, mid and long term this club is on a good page. It is a proud day to be a Norwich supporter. But as a head coach I have more than one tear in my eye. It doesn’t make my life easier.

“For all parties this is a good move.”
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 02, 2020, 10:12:01 PM
Godfrey missed training on Friday morning to undergo a medical and finalise personal terms after the two clubs thrashed out a £25m deal, plus add ons, on Thursday evening. This is the full transcript of what Farke makes of Godfrey’s pending exit.

“I can’t confirm a deal is done yet. What I can confirm is that Ben has trained the whole week with us and was in our plans for Derby. He trained on Thursday but then during the evening there was some progress on the work in the background and what I can confirm is Ben did not train today.

“He is in advanced, or more than advanced talks, with his agent and a club. If I have to judge it right now it is pretty likely the deal is done in the next hours or days. If not, I would be happy because I have the best centre back in the division. If not, then I cannot confirm sums but it will be a club record transfer fee for Norwich City.

“He won’t be with us for the Derby game. I can confirm that. Whoever signs Ben Godfrey can be unbelievably happy. It is no coincidence he is captain of the England Under-21s. This club has had some decent players in the best so to be rated the biggest transfer fee for a figure that is on the world level says everything about his potential.

“He had a lot of competition on the centre back positions but for me he played the most minutes of any centre back here. It says a lot about his development. I don’t need to speak about his strengths or where he can improve. I am pretty sure he will play for best clubs in the world one day and he has the potential to captain England. That is what I wish for him.

“He is one of the best centre backs in the world in terms of potential. I was happy to be able to work with him. I would like to work further on with him.

“It is always a compliment when the biggest clubs in this country look at our players. We should feel proud and it shows we have definitely done something right. La Masia (Barcelona’s academy) can close the doors because everyone looks at Norwich. We have developed some of the biggest talents in this country.

“It started with the Murphys, James Maddison and so on. Sadly we have already lost Jamal Lewis, the best left back in this league. Pretty likely we now lose the best centre back and we still have some real talent with potential.

“It doesn’t help me in the short term. It is never esay to win games. That is why I would never want to sell. I don’t want to earn the biggest money in this country. I am highly motivated to win football games and you stand a better chance with all your top players. But it is a sign of quality work. I am not naive.

“The only self-funding club must listen to crazy offers and then make a decision. On the short, mid and long term this club is on a good page. It is a proud day to be a Norwich supporter. But as a head coach I have more than one tear in my eye. It doesn’t make my life easier.

“For all parties this is a good move.”

What a write up from his manager. Really exciting.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 02, 2020, 10:12:07 PM
Godfrey missed training on Friday morning to undergo a medical and finalise personal terms after the two clubs thrashed out a £25m deal, plus add ons, on Thursday evening. This is the full transcript of what Farke makes of Godfrey’s pending exit.

“I can’t confirm a deal is done yet. What I can confirm is that Ben has trained the whole week with us and was in our plans for Derby. He trained on Thursday but then during the evening there was some progress on the work in the background and what I can confirm is Ben did not train today.

“He is in advanced, or more than advanced talks, with his agent and a club. If I have to judge it right now it is pretty likely the deal is done in the next hours or days. If not, I would be happy because I have the best centre back in the division. If not, then I cannot confirm sums but it will be a club record transfer fee for Norwich City.

“He won’t be with us for the Derby game. I can confirm that. Whoever signs Ben Godfrey can be unbelievably happy. It is no coincidence he is captain of the England Under-21s. This club has had some decent players in the best so to be rated the biggest transfer fee for a figure that is on the world level says everything about his potential.

“He had a lot of competition on the centre back positions but for me he played the most minutes of any centre back here. It says a lot about his development. I don’t need to speak about his strengths or where he can improve. I am pretty sure he will play for best clubs in the world one day and he has the potential to captain England. That is what I wish for him.

“He is one of the best centre backs in the world in terms of potential. I was happy to be able to work with him. I would like to work further on with him.

“It is always a compliment when the biggest clubs in this country look at our players. We should feel proud and it shows we have definitely done something right. La Masia (Barcelona’s academy) can close the doors because everyone looks at Norwich. We have developed some of the biggest talents in this country.

“It started with the Murphys, James Maddison and so on. Sadly we have already lost Jamal Lewis, the best left back in this league. Pretty likely we now lose the best centre back and we still have some real talent with potential.

“It doesn’t help me in the short term. It is never esay to win games. That is why I would never want to sell. I don’t want to earn the biggest money in this country. I am highly motivated to win football games and you stand a better chance with all your top players. But it is a sign of quality work. I am not naive.

“The only self-funding club must listen to crazy offers and then make a decision. On the short, mid and long term this club is on a good page. It is a proud day to be a Norwich supporter. But as a head coach I have more than one tear in my eye. It doesn’t make my life easier.

“For all parties this is a good move.”

Fucking hell.

Seems we have nailed it with this one.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 02, 2020, 10:31:34 PM
Depressing when you’re older than a player’s Dad, ffs.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 02, 2020, 10:51:32 PM
What number will he get?  #3?

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: American Evertonian on October 03, 2020, 12:12:41 AM
Godfrey missed training on Friday morning to undergo a medical and finalise personal terms after the two clubs thrashed out a £25m deal, plus add ons, on Thursday evening. This is the full transcript of what Farke makes of Godfrey’s pending exit.

“I can’t confirm a deal is done yet. What I can confirm is that Ben has trained the whole week with us and was in our plans for Derby. He trained on Thursday but then during the evening there was some progress on the work in the background and what I can confirm is Ben did not train today.

“He is in advanced, or more than advanced talks, with his agent and a club. If I have to judge it right now it is pretty likely the deal is done in the next hours or days. If not, I would be happy because I have the best centre back in the division. If not, then I cannot confirm sums but it will be a club record transfer fee for Norwich City.

“He won’t be with us for the Derby game. I can confirm that. Whoever signs Ben Godfrey can be unbelievably happy. It is no coincidence he is captain of the England Under-21s. This club has had some decent players in the best so to be rated the biggest transfer fee for a figure that is on the world level says everything about his potential.

“He had a lot of competition on the centre back positions but for me he played the most minutes of any centre back here. It says a lot about his development. I don’t need to speak about his strengths or where he can improve. I am pretty sure he will play for best clubs in the world one day and he has the potential to captain England. That is what I wish for him.

“He is one of the best centre backs in the world in terms of potential. I was happy to be able to work with him. I would like to work further on with him.

“It is always a compliment when the biggest clubs in this country look at our players. We should feel proud and it shows we have definitely done something right. La Masia (Barcelona’s academy) can close the doors because everyone looks at Norwich. We have developed some of the biggest talents in this country.

“It started with the Murphys, James Maddison and so on. Sadly we have already lost Jamal Lewis, the best left back in this league. Pretty likely we now lose the best centre back and we still have some real talent with potential.

“It doesn’t help me in the short term. It is never esay to win games. That is why I would never want to sell. I don’t want to earn the biggest money in this country. I am highly motivated to win football games and you stand a better chance with all your top players. But it is a sign of quality work. I am not naive.

“The only self-funding club must listen to crazy offers and then make a decision. On the short, mid and long term this club is on a good page. It is a proud day to be a Norwich supporter. But as a head coach I have more than one tear in my eye. It doesn’t make my life easier.

“For all parties this is a good move.”

Wonder which club it is.....Arsenal loves to hijack our defensive targets. Maybe he is heading to London? 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 03, 2020, 12:14:54 AM
Wonder which club it is.....Arsenal loves to hijack our defensive targets. Maybe he is heading to London? 🤷🏼‍♂️

I'm a bit confused, where are you getting the idea that a London club is hijacking the move?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Silas on October 03, 2020, 12:30:36 AM
Exciting stuff and nice to see us not going for an obvious choice. Building for the future as well as the now is more than I expected from Brands in this window.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 03, 2020, 12:35:48 AM
Wonder which club it is.....Arsenal loves to hijack our defensive targets. Maybe he is heading to London? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Are you confusing it with the fact that it was reported in the papers that “late night talks in London” took place to confirm the deal ? That’s because Mosh and Bill live there.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ally2 on October 03, 2020, 12:39:37 AM
No Django on this?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Lookmanohands on October 03, 2020, 12:40:45 AM
I think AE  has read " the two clubs are in advanced talks " , us and norwich , as two clubs are in talks to sign him.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on October 03, 2020, 12:43:03 AM
Buying the captain on the under 21s means another leader / right attitude player through the doors too... ancelotti seems.like he's really getting on top of our previous mentality issues and ensuring we have the right characters coming in, even when not first choice.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 03, 2020, 12:43:16 AM
No Django on this?

Last November.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 03, 2020, 01:58:20 AM
https://twitter.com/livechoefc/status/1312101543420792832?s=
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: American Evertonian on October 03, 2020, 02:03:06 AM
I'm a bit confused, where are you getting the idea that a London club is hijacking the move?

Just saying they did it reportedly with Tierny and Gabriel. Taking a piss mate
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: American Evertonian on October 03, 2020, 02:04:25 AM
I think AE  has read " the two clubs are in advanced talks " , us and norwich , as two clubs are in talks to sign him.

Haha I’m being sarcastic but that tone clearly didn’t come through 😂. Always next time.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 02:06:16 AM
Just saying they did it reportedly with Tierny and Gabriel. Taking a piss mate

Taking the piss, mate x
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: howard1334 on October 03, 2020, 04:52:13 AM
Not going to lie, I did not know who the name Ben Godfrey a week ago.  But based off of everything I've read, this seems like a very good signing.  Very happy with it.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 03, 2020, 05:05:19 AM
Perfect profile here.

Young, bags of potential and English.

Will be content to come into the mix because he should be able to challenge the current CBs for a starting place, yet will not expect one handed to him.

If this goes according to plan, we either get the current CBs to step up their game to keep their places - or, we get someone in who is an upgrade on what we already have.

Either way - our defence improves.

Not bothered about the price. This is really excellent business :)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 03, 2020, 05:11:19 AM
Not going to lie, I did not know who the name Ben Godfrey a week ago.  But based off of everything I've read, this seems like a very good signing.  Very happy with it.
Im exactly the same as you but less honest, Ive been saying to sign this guy up for ages.  :whistle:
Looks amazing and def capable of playing in def or midfield.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 03, 2020, 05:11:20 AM
Not going to lie, I did not know who the name Ben Godfrey a week ago.  But based off of everything I've read, this seems like a very good signing.  Very happy with it.

Me neither...  It's a little bit funny....... that suddenly Tomori and Todibo are now alternatives to Godfrey.  I'm just glad that Godfrey is coming to us.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on October 03, 2020, 05:22:30 AM
Im exactly the same as you but less honest, Ive been saying to sign this guy up for ages.  :whistle:

Dito and I’ve always said that him and Holgate will be England’s starting centre backs in Qatar
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 03, 2020, 06:55:59 AM
I haven’t read any of those articles posted here but I’m still rather excited by this signing.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 03, 2020, 07:33:50 AM
Finally. Bout time we signed someone I've been talking about for the past 24 hours.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 03, 2020, 08:26:47 AM
Another Yorkshire man. Hope he’s as good as the previous two in that position.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Outworlder47 on October 03, 2020, 11:14:45 AM
This will give us three young English CBs. Given the premium on English talent due to homegrown quotas (to say nothing of any Brexit implications), this is an investment that could pay serious dividends, both in terms of performance on the pitch and financially.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Juanito on October 03, 2020, 11:58:53 AM
Exactly what we need. Tall, good in the air, quick, good feet, good distribution and physical . Looks like a great long term partner for Holgate and good options with Keane as a 3 in a 3-4-3.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: stirlingblue on October 03, 2020, 01:07:32 PM
As excited as I am about this I’m also a bit confused, I presume he’ll be pushing first team places at that price point and that leaves us with four CBs who will all want first team football and Branthwaite/Gibson as high potential youngsters.

A nice problem to have, but surely still a problem to keep them all happy?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 03, 2020, 01:20:27 PM
I think we will flog Gibson.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on October 03, 2020, 01:24:55 PM
I think we will flog Gibson.

Yep and Branthwaite should probably be with the U23"s, or out on loan for the next year or so.

He was only thrown into first team squad last year due to injuries. He's also still very young.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on October 03, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
As excited as I am about this I'm also a bit confused, I presume he'll be pushing first team places at that price point and that leaves us with four CBs who will all want first team football and Branthwaite/Gibson as high potential youngsters.

A nice problem to have, but surely still a problem to keep them all happy?
I'm 110% sure this relationship management is where Carlo excels, you only need to look at what Bolasie wrote about being told he had no future to understand the way Carlo handles these 'issues'

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 01:26:49 PM
Exactly what we need. Tall, good in the air, quick, good feet, good distribution and physical . Looks like a great long term partner for Holgate and good options with Keane as a 3 in a 3-4-3.

I’m excited by signing Godfrey, but he’s not tall for a CB.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on October 03, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
Similar height to Dave Watson and Kevin Ratcliffe and 3 inches taller than Cannavaro :) If hes good enough, hes big enough. Hes still young, so a few more pans of scouse and he may grown an inch or two :D
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 01:54:52 PM
Similar height to Dave Watson and Kevin Ratcliffe and 3 inches taller than Cannavaro :) If hes good enough, hes big enough. Hes still young, so a few more pans of scouse and he may grown an inch or two :D

Yes, agreed, I was just pointing out that Juanito’s wish that he was “tall” wasn’t actually true compared to most CB’s these days.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 01:56:29 PM
I'm 110% sure this relationship management is where Carlo excels, you only need to look at what Bolasie wrote about being told he had no future to understand the way Carlo handles these 'issues'

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What did Bolasie write about that, Walt?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 03, 2020, 02:01:06 PM
What did Bolasie write about that, Walt?

https://twitter.com/YannickBolasie/status/1312094031934087169
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 02:06:28 PM
Another Yorkshire man. Hope he’s as good as the previous two in that position.

I hope he’s as good as our other two young Yorkshiremen in the squad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 03, 2020, 02:38:35 PM
I wonder if we might not see Branthwaite go to Norwich on loan when he's fit?

Be a good level to test him at and they've just lost a CB.

Could be a Brands move to keep the cost down. If it happened I wouldn't even be surprised if we still paid his wages as he won't be on a lot.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 03, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
I wonder if we might not see Branthwaite go to Norwich on loan when he's fit?

Be a good level to test him at and they've just lost a CB.

Could be a Brands move to keep the cost down. If it happened I wouldn't even be surprised if we still paid his wages as he won't be on a lot.

I think they have loaned in Ben Gibson already and already have Hanley, Zimmerman and Klose on thier books, so maybe if they are planning to lose one of those
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 03, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
I wonder if we might not see Branthwaite go to Norwich on loan when he's fit?

Be a good level to test him at and they've just lost a CB.

Could be a Brands move to keep the cost down. If it happened I wouldn't even be surprised if we still paid his wages as he won't be on a lot.

Norwich would be a great place to send someone like Braithwaite though, always seem to do a good job with young players.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: mikey_blue on October 03, 2020, 03:22:27 PM
https://twitter.com/naustin1975/status/1312137866760183809

James has got another Goon to protect him now.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KingdingalingNL on October 03, 2020, 03:39:29 PM
I’m excited by signing Godfrey, but he’s not tall for a CB.
How many Holgate's is he?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 03, 2020, 03:40:58 PM
I've read 1.80m, 1.83m and 1.86m on different sites and articles, it will be interesting to know how tall he actually is.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 03:41:56 PM
How many Holgate's is he?

Same height.

Much heavier, though, around 1.5 stone difference.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 03, 2020, 04:07:51 PM
https://twitter.com/naustin1975/status/1312137866760183809

James has got another Goon to protect him now.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 03, 2020, 04:25:14 PM
Very happy with this one, the sort of player I'd buy on Champ, sorry Football Manager

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 03, 2020, 04:32:19 PM
I thought he was a unit from the clips. Broad shouldered, narrow waisted. Kinda more like a swimmer or rower's physique.

There were a couple of clips in there where he pushed his body in front of a player to just assume possession of the ball. Not in the way Gomes can 'finesse' someone off the ball, more bullied them off it.

And fuck you, to whoever said you don't get excited about CB signings. CB's are the gladiators of the team and it's a fucking joy to watch someone who's good at it boss the forwards about.

It's one thing jizzing your shorts over a star striker, but when they have a 'bad game' how much do you attribute to the CB? It's not the physical battle it was 25 years ago, but the mental battle is still every bit as strong as it ever was. If during the first few skirmishes, you can make a striker believe he's not going to score that day - boom! You're halfway there.

Loved playing CB, love watching CBs. Best position on the pitch. Fight me.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 03, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
...is he Ancelotti's son?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 03, 2020, 05:20:46 PM
IS this a reliable source?  Says Medical complete.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/medical-complete-player-signing-5-year-everton-contract-today-exclusive/
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 03, 2020, 05:33:56 PM
Looks impressive. Did we steal in while other clubs were dithering or was it an out of the blue signing?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 03, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
Tying him down on a 5 right outta that gate. Must have BIG plans for this kid.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 05:43:56 PM
He does look filth tbf.

And his character sounds superb.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluebridge on October 03, 2020, 05:54:56 PM
https://twitter.com/naustin1975/status/1312137866760183809

James has got another Goon to protect him now.
And Duncan to play with in the ring.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 03, 2020, 06:14:54 PM
Exactly what we need. Tall, good in the air, quick, good feet, good distribution and physical . Looks like a great long term partner for Holgate and good options with Keane as a 3 in a 3-4-3.

I think you've got this backwards. He and Holgate are very similar (and both only 6'), and better ball-playing defenders. I believe it would be a case of which one will partner with either Keane or Mina.

I'm hoping this means Branthwaite is headed out on loan, perhaps even a 2-year one with option to recall after 1.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 03, 2020, 06:17:35 PM
And Duncan to play with in the ring.

That sounds filth.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gary1878 on October 03, 2020, 06:34:01 PM
And Duncan to play with in the ring.
Yikes.

As a boxing fan, you can see he knows his stuff there! Speed power and technical ability in those punches!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TSGun on October 03, 2020, 06:44:36 PM
Have to say I know bugger all about this fella.

He seems to tick a fair few boxes and I'm loving the hype around his mental strength.

Suddenly we're a team full of leaders.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee1 on October 03, 2020, 07:08:58 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12087279/ben-godrey-everton-agree-deal-to-sign-norwich-city-defender
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 03, 2020, 07:24:10 PM
Glad we’ve gone this route rather than hanging in Chelsea’s shirt tails and waiting for them to decide what they’re doing with their defenders. Screwed us ip last summer with Zouma.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ally2 on October 03, 2020, 07:46:46 PM
Yes hopefully this teaches other clubs that we have a limit and won't just be strung along.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 03, 2020, 08:04:06 PM
Yes hopefully this teaches other clubs that we have a limit and won't just be strung along.

Everton F.C 2020/21. They're not just bosses on the pitch.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cods on October 03, 2020, 11:08:58 PM
He seems to tick a fair few boxes
Hopefully one is Right Back
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 04, 2020, 02:21:52 AM
Hopefully one is Right Back
And putting the ball in the redshites net
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 04, 2020, 02:30:41 AM
Hope the lad is watching and is buzzing about being part of this team
We’ve suddenly become a very attractive team to play for
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 04, 2020, 02:34:30 AM
I thought we might see an announcement tonight, maybe we still will. Probably end up being Monday though.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 04, 2020, 03:19:44 AM
Passed his medical according to SSN, could be announced tonight.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee1 on October 04, 2020, 03:41:53 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/status/1312488262322147328
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Ari on October 04, 2020, 05:10:07 AM


Nice watching, I think i's obvious that he will get the number #22

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: mikey_blue on October 04, 2020, 02:15:36 PM
Was just watching MOTD and they talked about when we don’t have the ball, we move into a 5-4-1 formation with our 6 moving into the defence. Made me think that this lad may be able to provide some cover for Allan too. He might not be a like for like replacement in possession, but when we’re defending, he’d be able to slot in there perfectly and has the pace to break forward when needed. Looks astute bit of but business.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 04, 2020, 03:08:35 PM
Was just watching MOTD and they talked about when we don’t have the ball, we move into a 5-4-1 formation with our 6 moving into the defence. Made me think that this lad may be able to provide some cover for Allan too. He might not be a like for like replacement in possession, but when we’re defending, he’d be able to slot in there perfectly and has the pace to break forward when needed. Looks astute bit of but business.

That looked like bollocks, to me.  They selected an isolated frame from a 90 minute match where Doucoure Iwobi had drifted over to the far left tracking someone, and decided it was a fact that we'd dropped to 5 at the back.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 04, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
That looked like bollocks, to me.  They selected an isolated frame from a 90 minute match where Doucoure had drifted over to the far left tracking someone, and decided it was a fact that we'd dropped to 5 at the back, even though Doucoure wasn't playing as the furthest midfielder back.

Ooh. Controversial!

Can't really comment too much because I was hammered before, during and after the match. I was Too Drunk To Football.

Tbh I don't think I want to do that again. I'm enjoying the football so much right now I want to appreciate and remember it.

Fuckinell - I don't have to get drunk to enjoy watching us anymore!

#TDTF
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 04, 2020, 03:15:39 PM
Ooh. Controversial!

Can't really comment too much because I was hammered before, during and after the match. I was Too Drunk To Football.

Tbh I don't think I want to do that again. I'm enjoying the football so much right now I want to appreciate and remember it.

Fuckinell - I don't have to get drunk to enjoy watching us anymore!

#TDTF

I just went back and checked, and I was half wrong, but it was still a single frame taken out of context.  5 seconds later the next time they froze it you can clearly see the 4-3-3 / 4-5-1.  And then when we break Delph dropped in to cover Digne and Sigurdsson sat in front.  At no point was it a fixed 5 at the back.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 04, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
Our formation is very fluid, and apart from post lockdown this has been a regular occurrence under Ancelotti.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2020, 06:32:15 PM
That looked like bollocks, to me.  They selected an isolated frame from a 90 minute match where Doucoure Iwobi had drifted over to the far left tracking someone, and decided it was a fact that we'd dropped to 5 at the back.

Not very good at analysing us (or anyone for that matter) on MOTD are they?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 04, 2020, 07:04:12 PM
Not very good at analysing us (or anyone for that matter) on MOTD are they?

Appalling.

MOTD to football analysis is like what Loose Women is to social commentary.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee1 on October 04, 2020, 07:16:10 PM
Appalling.

MOTD to football analysis is like what Loose Women is to social commentary.


The BBC is pretty poor across the board, have you ever listened to The Squad on Radio 5 on Sundays? Caught a bit today and it is the total opposite to intelligent broadcasting.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 04, 2020, 07:16:48 PM
Appalling.

MOTD to football analysis is like what Loose Women is to social commentary.


Haha. Lovely stuff, Samuel.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Lxxx on October 04, 2020, 07:26:24 PM
You do get the feeling they can't wait to get to the end of our segment so they can move on to the part of the programme they have done some proper analysis on.

It's fine, they can only ignore us for so long. (He hopes).
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mac934 on October 04, 2020, 07:28:49 PM
When is he actually going to sign?
I thought it was done and dusted two days ago?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 04, 2020, 07:34:00 PM
When is he actually going to sign?
I thought it was done and dusted two days ago?

I assume he's already signed and we are just waiting for the right moment to announce it. We had a game yesterday so I assume he will be doing all hits bits/photos/interviews with Brands, Ancelotti and Dave today.

Absolutely no basis for this opinion, but that's what I think is likely.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 04, 2020, 07:34:25 PM
When is he actually going to sign?
I thought it was done and dusted two days ago?

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on October 04, 2020, 07:41:37 PM
Quick reminder that premier league clubs have another 11 days to sign players from the championship (or below).
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Lazarou on October 05, 2020, 03:02:07 PM
Signed  :clap:
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 05, 2020, 03:02:21 PM
DONE - 5 year deal

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1313026146355814401

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1313026663798706177
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Lazarou on October 05, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
We are having some fun at the moment in these shit times.

I never thought that Everton would be my shining light after the last few years.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 05, 2020, 03:09:13 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1313026456654622720?s=
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 05, 2020, 03:10:02 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/1313026456654622720?s=

Brands at it again!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 05, 2020, 03:12:00 PM
Will be £20M with £5M add ons most likely.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 05, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
Can he play in the league cup?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Free Agent on October 05, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
Gotta love Marcel  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Macca77 on October 05, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
Sky Sports reporting the larger figure as usual
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 05, 2020, 03:18:41 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1313030341607723009
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 05, 2020, 03:18:43 PM
Great reveal vid!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 05, 2020, 03:20:19 PM
Sky Sports reporting the larger figure as usual

Got to get that stupid counter up as high as possible!

I also hate that their countdown has 100ths of a second now. Little things like that in an attempt to up the drama really piss me off. More than it should really.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 05, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Hahah

Headline on BBC is £30m

Sub article leads with £25m

Other journalists saying £20m

He’ll have been signed on a free again by lunch!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on October 05, 2020, 03:29:52 PM
Hahah

Headline on BBC is £30m

Sub article leads with £25m

Other journalists saying £20m

He’ll have been signed on a free again by lunch!  :laugh:

Just like Hames.  (Is Brands negotiating with the media as well)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 05, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
Hahah

Headline on BBC is £30m

Sub article leads with £25m

Other journalists saying £20m

He’ll have been signed on a free again by lunch!  :laugh:
And to complete the set, The Guardian are saying £10m... (assume it's a typo in their report)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2020/oct/05/transfer-deadline-day-2020-cavani-partey-sancho-and-more-news-live?page=with:block-5f7ad2af8f080b5d569e55bb#block-5f7ad2af8f080b5d569e55bb
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sirblue57 on October 05, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
So how.much will Norwich be paying us when brands finishes?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Trowel on October 05, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
https://twitter.com/bbcmerseysport/status/1313041590911488000
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on October 05, 2020, 04:22:24 PM
He looks bigger than 6 foot.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Outworlder47 on October 05, 2020, 04:40:57 PM
Can he play in the league cup?

Surprise! YES!

He was away on international duty with the England U21s when Norwich lost their first round match, so he is not cup-tied.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Outworlder47 on October 05, 2020, 04:41:56 PM
He looks bigger than 6 foot.

Listed elsewhere as 6'2". Will want to see him in training next to the others to really assess.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on October 05, 2020, 04:49:19 PM
Becoming a huge fan of the 'Brands Disparity' as reported figures are eventually revealed to be nowhere near what the brandster has convinced the other club to take.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: dunkster on October 05, 2020, 04:54:17 PM
Hopefully he'll reach such a level with us that'll he be simply known as 'God'
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on October 05, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Listed elsewhere as 6'2". Will want to see him in training next to the others to really assess.

Tape measure probably the most reliable instrument to confirm his height.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 05, 2020, 08:30:13 PM
Hopefully he'll reach such a level with us that'll he be simply known as 'God'

Nah, his atheist.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 05, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
Really nice ToffeeTV chat with a Norwich expert, about what we're getting in Big Ben here.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee1 on October 05, 2020, 09:39:15 PM
https://twitter.com/BenG0dfrey/status/1313063712975093761
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 05, 2020, 09:50:08 PM
Delighted with this. Hope he'll go on to be our best centre half.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blueToffee on October 05, 2020, 09:50:48 PM
Can he play makeshift RB? If he has a little pace he could be useful against Liverpool if Coleman and Kenny are out.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 05, 2020, 09:51:34 PM
Can he play makeshift RB? If he has a little pace he could be useful against Liverpool if Coleman and Kenny are out.

I believe I read a few NC supporters saying he could but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Omar on October 05, 2020, 10:16:47 PM
Nah, his atheist.

So, he has commons sense then?  ;)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Omar on October 05, 2020, 10:17:52 PM
Can he play makeshift RB? If he has a little pace he could be useful against Liverpool if Coleman and Kenny are out.

Was hoping that myself.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 05, 2020, 10:24:30 PM
Was hoping that myself.

He has played left back, right back and defensive midfield for Norwich, but he is a centre back so I'd imagine it would be similar to playing Holgate there.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mouse on October 05, 2020, 10:29:02 PM
This looks to be a cracking bit of business for the future. I'm loving everything I read about this kid. A fighter, a leader, physical but with a good touch, a reader of the game and a hard working student (he sends clips after games to Rio Ferdinand to analyse). Could be the start of a serious love affair. There's something special about a dominating, blood and guts CB. Add finesse and he's the stuff of dreams.

Can he play makeshift RB? If he has a little pace he could be useful against Liverpool if Coleman and Kenny are out.

I hate to be the bearer of ill-tidings but I'm pretty sure he is more a left sided CB, could be wrong.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 05, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
I hate to be the bearer of ill-tidings but I'm pretty sure he is more a left sided CB, could be wrong.

According to Norwich fans he played on the left side of the back 2 because all their defenders were right sided and he was the most comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on October 05, 2020, 10:45:21 PM
I believe I read a few NC supporters saying he could but don't quote me on that.

He said himself that he's played right back before.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 05, 2020, 10:52:32 PM
He said himself that he's played right back before.

wtf I said don't quote me

 ;)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 12:33:56 AM
Was on £5k a week at Norwich, what do you reckon we will be paying him ?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 12:34:28 AM
Was on £5k a week at Norwich, what do you reckon we will be paying him ?

£50k.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 12:36:44 AM
£50k.

That’s insane, surely not ? Wouldn’t say £25k be about right for the first year of his contract, by all means give him a new contract after a year but to offer a ten fold increase straight off only lines the pockets of his agent.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on October 06, 2020, 12:51:17 AM
£30k tops. Anything more would be silly and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 12:51:33 AM
That’s insane, surely not ? Wouldn’t say £25k be about right for the first year of his contract, by all means give him a new contract after a year but to offer a ten fold increase straight off only lines the pockets of his agent.

I'm just guessing. It really wouldn't surprise me though. Kean was on 53k, Iwobi's on 50k.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 06, 2020, 01:02:10 AM
I'm just guessing. It really wouldn't surprise me though. Kean was on 53k, Iwobi's on 50k.

I thought Iwobi was on £35k?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 06, 2020, 01:06:36 AM
I thought Iwobi was on £35k?

I'm getting mixed up, I think £35k is what he was on at Arsenal.

I don't think Godfrey with be on £50k if he's come from £5k a week, that's a 900% increase.

It'll be £25-30k IMO.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 01:12:49 AM
I'm getting mixed up, I think £35k is what he was on at Arsenal.

I don't think Godfrey with be on £50k if he's come from £5k a week, that's a 900% increase.

It'll be £25-30k IMO.

Good thing it's Brands and not me in charge of these things!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 01:25:45 AM
I'm getting mixed up, I think £35k is what he was on at Arsenal.

I don't think Godfrey with be on £50k if he's come from £5k a week, that's a 900% increase.

It'll be £25-30k IMO.

Think Davies and Holgate on £25k
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 01:32:19 AM
Think Davies and Holgate on £25k

That was before their new deals.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 02:02:29 AM
That was before their new deals.

No, that’s what they’re on now
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 02:04:54 AM
No, that’s what they’re on now

So DCL didn't get a raise?

He's been on 20k for years.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 06, 2020, 02:06:31 AM
Godfrey wouldn't have been given a wage that is 10 times higher than what he was on. That's madness
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 02:28:12 AM
So DCL didn't get a raise?

He's been on 20k for years.

DCL got a new deal, rising to £70k
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 02:31:02 AM
Think Davies and Holgate on £25k
That was before their new deals.
No, that’s what they’re on now
So DCL didn't get a raise?

He's been on 20k for years.
DCL got a new deal, rising to £70k

You see the insanity of the above, right? lol
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 06, 2020, 02:35:40 AM
Both Holgate and Dom signed 5 yr deals in March, 70k
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2020, 02:37:37 AM
He’ll be on around 40-60k
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 02:38:17 AM
You see the insanity of the above, right? lol

Yes, I think you’re losing it, I never mentioned DCL S wage, I said Davies and Holgate, you brought DCL into the conversation out of the blue, shouldn’t of wasted your time with the oboe trail, makes you look a fool.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: 74Blue on October 06, 2020, 02:38:25 AM
Was on £5k a week at Norwich, what do you reckon we will be paying him ?
£5k as many tickets to Joseph and his amazing technicolour dreamcoat as he wants and first pick from BK's personal biscuit tin, as long as he doesn't eat all the milk chocolate hob-nobs because they're Moshiri's favourite.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 02:39:04 AM
He’ll be on around 40-60k

Gets even madder, £60 k now 😂
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 06, 2020, 02:47:43 AM
Of course he will be on about 50K. His deal is for 5 years. He ain’t getting a raise for 5 years. His wages are built to show a raise. High now but lower later unless he gets a new deal 3 years in. Pretty standard though.

He and his agent would be stupid for agreeing to to 25k for 5 years
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 06, 2020, 02:47:46 AM
Are we sure he was a pl player on 5k a week?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2020, 02:48:53 AM
Gets even madder, £60 k now 😂

Nothing mad about it.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 06, 2020, 02:49:16 AM
Gets even madder, £60 k now 😂

Your lack of footballers wages and money in the game is appalling. Doubt there are many players anywhere on less than 30K per week
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 02:49:27 AM
Yes, I think you’re losing it, I never mentioned DCL S wage, I said Davies and Holgate, you brought DCL into the conversation out of the blue, shouldn’t of wasted your time with the oboe trail, makes you look a fool.

Been there all day, it's cool.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 06, 2020, 02:50:38 AM
I'm thinking this is a low key young Rio Ferdinand level signing btw. No pressure on the lad, but I am.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 02:54:35 AM
Your lack of footballers wages and money in the game is appalling. Doubt there are many players anywhere on less than 30K per week
Not quite sure what your qualification is to speak as an authority but , appalling is a  is a weird choice of word to use ? Nobody expects to stay on the same terms for five years, new contracts are usually offered after a year or two, DCL signed a five year on £20k and has gone up to £70 after two years having proven that he wasn’t an appalling player.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: irishtoffee on October 06, 2020, 03:01:35 AM
Your lack of footballers wages and money in the game is appalling. Doubt there are many players anywhere on less than 30K per week
The top earner at Norwich would “only” be on 30-40k a week. Think I read Godfrey was on £260000 a year so about £5k a week sounds about right
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 06, 2020, 03:11:40 AM
The top earner at Norwich would “only” be on 30-40k a week. Think I read Godfrey was on £260000 a year so about £5k a week sounds about right

Like I said hard to find EPL payers on less than 30K and not after they have signed a 20M deal.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: irishtoffee on October 06, 2020, 03:51:20 AM
Like I said hard to find EPL payers on less than 30K and not after they have signed a 20M deal.
The likes of Burnley, Brighton, West Brom and Sheffield United would have half their squads on less than 30k a week.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 06, 2020, 04:10:18 AM
The likes of Burnley, Brighton, West Brom and Sheffield United would have half their squads on less than 30k a week.

Doubt it.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 04:13:09 AM
https://www.spotrac.com/epl

Here, you guys can look up whoever you'd like.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: irishtoffee on October 06, 2020, 04:19:55 AM
Doubt it.
You can check it on the link Yankee gave. Brighton have 9 players on over 30k and Fulham have only 7. I couldn’t be arsed checking any deeper
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 04:22:33 AM
Doubt it.
You can add Fulham to that list too.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 06, 2020, 04:29:10 AM
The likes of Burnley, Brighton, West Brom and Sheffield United would have half their squads on less than 30k a week.

Poor bastards... imagine having to manage on that? Should we have a whip round?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 04:34:48 AM
You can check it on the link Yankee gave. Brighton have 9 players on over 30k and Fulham have only 7. I couldn’t be arsed checking any deeper

I would literally throw rotten eggs at me mum for 30k/week. ;D
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 06, 2020, 04:43:38 AM
Not quite sure what your qualification is to speak as an authority but , appalling is a  is a weird choice of word to use ? Nobody expects to stay on the same terms for five years, new contracts are usually offered after a year or two, DCL signed a five year on £20k and has gone up to £70 after two years having proven that he wasn’t an appalling player.

DCL didn't come in as a £25m signing.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 06, 2020, 04:44:01 AM
Your lack of footballers wages and money in the game is appalling. Doubt there are many players anywhere on less than 30K per week

Doubt there are many, as you can tell, you have found maybe 6 players on three teams who earn less and I can bet you a week of their wages that none of them was sold to someone else for £20M
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 04:49:46 AM
Doubt there are many, as you can tell, you have found maybe 6 players on three teams who earn less and I can bet you a week of their wages that none of them was sold to someone else for £20M

Why are you re quoting yourself ? What’s that about six players on three teams ?
Title: Ben Godfrey
Post by: irishtoffee on October 06, 2020, 04:52:23 AM
Your lack of footballers wages and money in the game is appalling. Doubt there are many players anywhere on less than 30K per week
You're trying to change the argument. This is what you said and you were wrong. There’s about 15 in the Fulham and Brighton squads alone.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 06, 2020, 05:11:30 AM
I am quoting what I said. Not many players. You guys show me there are a few only. So I am right. And you proving my argument continually.

Thanks guys. Great work
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: irishtoffee on October 06, 2020, 05:16:43 AM
I’ve showed you 30 in 2 squads alone. Not sure how many you consider to be “few epl players anywhere” but I’m not going searching through the other squads to find it for you but there’s about 10 in the Everton squad too
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: markB on October 06, 2020, 05:18:14 AM
https://www.spotrac.com/epl

Here, you guys can look up whoever you'd like.

Fuck me Dwight McNeil £5k a week and they need money
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 06, 2020, 05:56:56 AM
I am quoting what I said. Not many players. You guys show me there are a few only. So I am right. And you proving my argument continually.

Thanks guys. Great work

The only thing that’s been proven here is that you have patently lost the plot, stop digging.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 06, 2020, 06:00:10 AM
The only thing that’s been proven here is that you have patently lost the plot, stop digging.

Patently is a srsly underrated word.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on October 06, 2020, 06:49:06 AM
Is going to need a few seasons before he's a regular isn't he.

Like his build though, looks like a swimmer.

Apparently good in the air but not amazing one v one. Quick over the ground and good on the ball. Sounds like plenty of good stuff to work with.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 06, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
Is going to need a few seasons before he's a regular isn't he.

Like his build though, looks like a swimmer.

Apparently good in the air but not amazing one v one. Quick over the ground and good on the ball. Sounds like plenty of good stuff to work with.
Well he’s going to be back up to Keane and Mina for the time being. Maybe even play right back if Coleman is our next game.

He’s closer to action than Branthwaite as he is already experienced in the prem.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 06, 2020, 08:52:37 AM
Quite a few Norwich fans saying he'll be in the England squad within a season or so, nevermind the Everton squad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 06, 2020, 10:27:56 AM
Quite a few Norwich fans saying he'll be in the England squad within a season or so, nevermind the Everton squad.
Mate are you suggesting England have a better team than Everton?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on October 06, 2020, 11:44:11 AM
Mate are you suggesting England have a better team than Everton?

It's more of an accolade to be in the England team than the Everton team. That's what I'm saying. I don't personally care about it, but that's irrelevant.

And yes, England would beat Everton more often than not, if they were coached as a club side by a good manager.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 06, 2020, 12:52:19 PM
Fuck me Dwight McNeil £5k a week and they need money

This appears to be old to me. Dcl still on 20k according to that
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Tinga on October 06, 2020, 05:42:38 PM
https://twitter.com/T96491000/status/1313054585792192514

I didn't think he was built like that, looks like he could be very imposing on the pitch to me.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 06, 2020, 06:01:56 PM
Good to see us trying to tap into the championship market, even if these days you can struggle to find bargains there.

Championship buys have been the cornerstone of some of our better sides in recent years

(Jags, cahill, lescott, gueye, doucoure)

Would like us take some calculated risks on others that haven't been in the prem, where maybe the cost is lower (your Madison's,  etc)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 06, 2020, 06:41:41 PM
Good to see us trying to tap into the championship market, even if these days you can struggle to find bargains there.

Championship buys have been the cornerstone of some of our better sides in recent years

(Jags, cahill, lescott, gueye, doucoure)

Would like us take some calculated risks on others that haven't been in the prem, where maybe the cost is lower (your Madison's,  etc)

Interesting discussion on five live about the championship market and the reluctance of big clubs to tap into it.

Apparently Ollie Watkins was offered round to all the big teams and despite all their scouting teams giving him positive reviews they all turned him down because they said they cant make big money signings from that level because of the perception it brings.

They'd rather go abroad because it gets a more favourable reaction from fans on social media. 
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 06, 2020, 09:26:20 PM
Interesting discussion on five live about the championship market and the reluctance of big clubs to tap into it.

Apparently Ollie Watkins was offered round to all the big teams and despite all their scouting teams giving him positive reviews they all turned him down because they said they cant make big money signings from that level because of the perception it brings.

They'd rather go abroad because it gets a more favourable reaction from fans on social media. 

That's good for us if we can take advantage of that.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 06, 2020, 10:18:50 PM
Interesting discussion on five live about the championship market and the reluctance of big clubs to tap into it.

Apparently Ollie Watkins was offered round to all the big teams and despite all their scouting teams giving him positive reviews they all turned him down because they said they cant make big money signings from that level because of the perception it brings.

They'd rather go abroad because it gets a more favourable reaction from fans on social media. 

There is definitely something in that isnt there? People turning their noses up at it sort of thing.

Probably in part a misconception of the footy played down there too. The championship is progressively developing teams that want to play on the front foot and keep the ball.

Think the big teams are missing a trick there tbh. An ollie watkins, who played in a team who plays progressive football and dominates games, would slot into a team that does likewise in the league above.

Hopefully we can find some rough diamonds from down there. I know el pivote chanpions one or 2 as potential good quality prem players
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on October 07, 2020, 12:27:46 AM
There is definitely something in that isnt there? People turning their noses up at it sort of thing.

Probably in part a misconception of the footy played down there too. The championship is progressively developing teams that want to play on the front foot and keep the ball.

Think the big teams are missing a trick there tbh. An ollie watkins, who played in a team who plays progressive football and dominates games, would slot into a team that does likewise in the league above.

Hopefully we can find some rough diamonds from down there. I know el pivote chanpions one or 2 as potential good quality prem players

The old ‘if his name was Oliviér Watkinsio’ argument
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 07, 2020, 01:02:30 AM
The old ‘if his name was Oliviér Watkinsio’ argument

Yeah. Sam Allardici. Ok bad example
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: NickNack on October 07, 2020, 02:23:07 AM
Yeah. Sam Allardici. Ok bad example
Was thinking of him ^ yesterday after hearing on a sports bulletin that “Premier League leaders Everton” had signed the promising Norwich centre half Ben Godfrey. About how far we’ve come from Allardyce / Cenk Tosun to Ancelotti / James Rodriguez / Allan etc...
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 07, 2020, 02:53:43 AM
Was thinking of him ^ yesterday after hearing on a sports bulletin that “Premier League leaders Everton” had signed the promising Norwich centre half Ben Godfrey. About how far we’ve come from Allardyce / Cenk Tosun to Ancelotti / James Rodriguez / Allan etc...
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on October 07, 2020, 05:40:24 AM
Good write up from Greenall

https://toffeeanalysis.com/2020/10/06/scout-report-ben-godfrey/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting how similar him, Holgate and Ake pan out numbers wise.

Like the idea that it's Keane and Mina the stoppers alongside ball players in Godfrey and Holgate.

For my own two pence - and I'm not saying he could be this at all, but the player he reminds me of is young Van Dyke.

Athletic, quick over the ground, good build, strong and able to cover big gaps, v comfortable on the ball but prone to lapses in concentration.

He's got an OK headed duel success rate, but doesn't tend to contest very many. That's OK as mina and Keane are both v happy heading space bricks all day long but vvd is fast and good on the ball AND the best in the air in the league. If he can increase how many times he gets into duels and retain his success rate he would look even better.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluebridge on October 13, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
Just been chatting to an old youth teammate of Godfrey from when they were at York together, says he’s more a midfielder than a centre back, and has a nasty streak in him, says we’ve got a very good buy.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 13, 2020, 11:03:20 PM
Just been chatting to an old youth teammate of Godfrey from when they were at York together, says he’s more a midfielder than a centre back, and has a nasty streak in him, says we’ve got a very good buy.

I've been explicitly told he's not a midfielder, and chided for suggesting he could be, so his old youth teammate is full of bollocks. :snigger:
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 14, 2020, 01:28:13 AM
Starts tonight for the U21s.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 14, 2020, 01:32:54 AM
I've been explicitly told he's not a midfielder, and chided for suggesting he could be, so his old youth teammate is full of bollocks. :snigger:
League 1 level midfielder. Prem level defender.

He might enjoy himself more in midfield, but all his strengths point to a ball-playing CB.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 14, 2020, 01:34:47 AM
Starts tonight for the U21s.
Is it televised?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 14, 2020, 01:37:55 AM
Is it televised?

Yeah, it's on BT.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 14, 2020, 02:07:19 AM
League 1 level midfielder. Prem level defender.

He might enjoy himself more in midfield, but all his strengths point to a ball-playing CB.

He only played as a CB because Farke started playing him there.

He was a CM/DM before that.

His speed, physical attributes, and passing range would be an asset in the centre of the park, as well.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 14, 2020, 02:14:26 AM
Streams for this u21 game?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on October 14, 2020, 02:17:58 AM
He only played as a CB because Farke started playing him there.

He was a CM/DM before that.

His speed, physical attributes, and passing range would be an asset in the centre of the park, as well.

You could say that about plenty of footballers.

DCL only plays as a forward because xxxx played him there. He was a midfielder before that
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 14, 2020, 02:26:48 AM
You could say that about plenty of footballers.

DCL only plays as a forward because xxxx played him there. He was a midfielder before that

What’s your point?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 14, 2020, 02:27:30 AM
Streams for this u21 game?

https://www.vivafoot.xyz/p/england-u21-v-turkey-u21-uefa-under-21.html?m=1
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 14, 2020, 03:28:05 AM
It's good he's comfortable at a variety of positions then. We need a utility man, he can be it for now until he earns his place in the team in his preferred position.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on October 14, 2020, 04:31:43 AM
It's good he's comfortable at a variety of positions then. We need a utility man, he can be it for now until he earns his place in the team in his preferred position.

Definitely, hopefully that versatility helps us with filling in when required outside of CB, and also helps him get the game time he needs to feel part of things here.

I remember a young man named Jagielka came here and played RB and CM multiple times before becoming the fantastic CB he was... I mean he was pretty awful in those other positions but still, it's a good example for Godfrey to follow imo.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluebridge on October 14, 2020, 05:25:32 AM
I've been explicitly told he's not a midfielder, and chided for suggesting he could be, so his old youth teammate is full of bollocks. :snigger:
Just saying
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 14, 2020, 10:12:35 AM
Definitely, hopefully that versatility helps us with filling in when required outside of CB, and also helps him get the game time he needs to feel part of things here.

I remember a young man named Jagielka came here and played RB and CM multiple times before becoming the fantastic CB he was... I mean he was pretty awful in those other positions but still, it's a good example for Godfrey to follow imo.

Yeah - Rio Ferdinand, Vincent Kompany, Ledley King, Marcel Desailly, Hierro, Lothar Matthaus - all started in midfield before moving back to become superb defenders.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 14, 2020, 12:36:00 PM
Will he make his debut in the derby now or will Mina be ok?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 14, 2020, 12:59:51 PM
How did he play for U21's?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 14, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
How did he play for U21's?

Yeah, wasn't captain though for some reason. Nketiah was.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 14, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
Yeah, wasn't captain though for some reason. Nketiah was.

Did you manage to watch any of it?. Just wondering how he performed.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 14, 2020, 03:16:38 PM
Will he make his debut in the derby now or will Mina be ok?

What’s happened to Mina?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 14, 2020, 03:23:17 PM
What’s happened to Mina?

Colombia twitter account said he’d felt a discomfort in his hamstring so didn’t play just as a precaution to not aggravate a previous issue
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 14, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
Did you manage to watch any of it?. Just wondering how he performed.

Doesn’t touch the ball in these highlights.

He played LCB.


Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 14, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
Colombia twitter account said he’d felt a discomfort in his hamstring so didn’t play just as a precaution to not aggravate a previous issue

Blimey, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 14, 2020, 04:09:54 PM
What’s happened to Mina?

Seems precautionary but... :(

Full link in the international thread
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 14, 2020, 06:10:41 PM
Why do you lot have an obsession with turning CBs into DMs?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 14, 2020, 06:54:41 PM
Why do you lot have an obsession with turning CBs into DMs?

It’s good to have a player with versatility, particularly during a mini injury crisis.

Plus, this lad actually was a DM until recently, and reports suggest that he is still positionally naive as a CB, so, maybe CB isn’t his most natural position.

It’s just speculating, and chatting, and many wrong opinions.

Standard football forum fare.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 14, 2020, 07:39:15 PM
Why do you lot have an obsession with turning CBs into DMs?

In Godfrey's case it would be turning him back into a DM, where he played nearly exclusively until 2018/19, according to Transfermarkt's positions played stats (88 at CB to 54 at DM).

Though I don't think anyone is saying either/or here; just that he would appear to be versatile enough to do both is all.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Heisenberg on October 14, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
Why do you lot have an obsession with turning CBs into DMs?

Everyone was clearly a big fan of the pirlo like performances in DM by heitenga and jags under moyes
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 14, 2020, 08:53:42 PM
Ahh the good old Heitinga Neville midfield pairing.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 14, 2020, 09:42:35 PM
Speciality > Versatility

Let the lad concentrate on being a defender hey?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gary1878 on October 14, 2020, 10:15:00 PM
Ahh the good old Heitinga Neville midfield pairing.

That gives a facial twitch seeing those two in central midfield together.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: 74Blue on October 14, 2020, 11:58:56 PM
That gives a facial twitch seeing those two in central midfield together.
As opposed to the trouser twitch seeing Allan, Doucoure and James bossing the game gives.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 10:33:33 AM
Started with Rodwell and has never ended.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 15, 2020, 02:53:16 PM
Started with Rodwell and has never ended.

Rodwell was largely rubbish in both positions, he just looked athletic.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 15, 2020, 02:53:39 PM
Started with Rodwell and has never ended.

Godfrey started as a midfielder though.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Rodwell was largely rubbish in both positions, he just looked athletic.

At not much younger Rodwell was being touted as 'the next big thing'. And everyone wanted to turn him into a defender because of a shout once upon a time that likened him to Ferdinand.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 03:17:06 PM
Godfrey started as a midfielder though.

And Rodwell had played in multiple positions during his development.

Look, I'm not slating anyone for these shouts... I just find it rather odd behaviour to want to turn players into utility man. We had years of that shite with Moyes.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 15, 2020, 03:22:39 PM
And Rodwell had played in multiple positions during his development.

Look, I'm not slating anyone for these shouts... I just find it rather odd behaviour to want to turn players into utility man. We had years of that shite with Moyes.

They're important parts of a squad though.

With how short we are in midfield it wouldn't surprise me to see him get some games there while he competes for a place in defence

Carlo is an Italian manager. They love players that play multiple positions
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 03:24:45 PM
Are we that short in the middle? We seem to have 2 players per position now don't we? And Gbamin due back in a month...
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 15, 2020, 03:25:20 PM
Are we that short in the middle? We seem to have 2 players per position now don't we? And Gbamin due back in a month...

For defensive players I would say yes.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 15, 2020, 03:26:02 PM
At not much younger Rodwell was being touted as 'the next big thing'. And everyone wanted to turn him into a defender because of a shout once upon a time that likened him to Ferdinand.

That’s correct.

He was shite, though.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 03:27:12 PM
For defensive players I would say yes.

Allan
Delph
Davies
Gbamin*

Those are the options for the deep lying midfielder. Not sure we are?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 03:27:58 PM
That’s correct.

He was shite, though.

I don't think he was at the time. Anyway, he is now. And a dick.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 15, 2020, 03:29:19 PM
Allan
Delph
Davies
Gbamin*

Those are the options for the deep lying midfielder. Not sure we are?

You can’t hang your hat on Delph or Gbamin being fit, and Davies did well against Brighton, but, ya know, come on.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 15, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
I don't think he was at the time. Anyway, he is now. And a dick.

The only word I would change is don’t to didn’t.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 15, 2020, 03:34:23 PM
Allan
Delph
Davies
Gbamin*

Those are the options for the deep lying midfielder. Not sure we are?

They'll be times when both Delph and Gbamin are out and Davies is required to play forward, I'm not sure he can play that role tbh.

We've spent a lot of money on Godfrey and I think we'll look at ways of getting him on the pitch as much as we can whilst Mina and Keane are bossing it at the back.

If he can play midfield I dont see why we wouldn't utilise that?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
You can’t hang your hat on Delph or Gbamin being fit, and Davies did well against Brighton, but, ya know, come on.

But the cover is more needed at CB, that's why he's been bought. We (Carlo/the club) were very vocal about needing a CB, not midfield cover. By all accounts Tomori was first choice, can he play midfield? Truth is there was no mention of midfield until some post on a Norwich forum about how the lad has developed since being a midfielder.

Calvert-Lewin started as a midfielder before a tactical chat with his coach resulted in him moving forward. Pretty sure none of us want him to be reverted now?

My point is this; he's a you'g lad who's game is developing and will benefit from a settled position rather than employed as a utility man. In extreme situations, fair enough, though I think we have cover.

We bought a CB, let's just see how he develops as a CB?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 15, 2020, 03:45:34 PM
There are some things that immediately catch the eye when you watch Ben Godfrey play.

The first is his composure in possession. A former midfielder, Godfrey is comfortable with the ball at his feet, venturing forward or picking passes between the lines.

The second, his rapid recovery pace, as seen on multiple occasions during England Under-21s’ 2-1 victory over Turkey at Molineux on Tuesday evening. More on that later.

The two elements go some of the way to explaining why Godfrey is already being touted in some circles as one of the next cabs off the rank for full England selection.

“If you look at the Premier League, I can’t really name a centre-back playing with any conviction, putting their hand up and saying ‘pick me (for England)’,” said BT Sport pundit Karen Carney before Tuesday’s game. “Godfrey has gone to Everton and if he plays well consistently, he could be knocking on the door — the next one to jump up from the juniors. I don’t see why not.”

Godfrey’s ascent from League Two side York City in 2016 to a £20 million signing for Everton has been remarkable, and it may well be that, for all his promise, England talk is a tad premature.

For now, the 22-year-old’s first task will be acclimatising at his new club after joining on deadline day for a fee that will eventually become Norwich’s record sale. The ink was barely dry on his five-year deal at Goodison when he was whisked away to join up with Aidy Boothroyd’s England Under-21 squad for the double-header against Andorra and Turkey — two pivotal games in the quest for qualification for next year’s Euros.

Godfrey is still yet to train properly with his new team-mates, and will have less than half a week’s preparation before Saturday’s Merseyside derby.

In trademark fashion, it is a hurdle he feels ready to overcome.

“It’s been an unbelievable week,” Godfrey explained to BT. “Signing for Everton was a real proud moment for me and I can’t wait to go back and get started.  The pathway I’ve been through, going through the lower leagues, I wouldn’t change it for anything. Those experiences and being under that pressure since 16 or 17 have helped me. Now I’m more comfortable with situations I come across now as a result of that.”

Tuesday’s game was still in its opening throes when Godfrey was given the first chance to put on the afterburners. From an England corner, Turkey looked to break, clearing the ball downfield. Godfrey, up from the back and milling around the visitors’ penalty area, raced after the ball like the Road Runner to help his team win back possession near the halfway line. It was reminiscent of this from his time at Norwich.


His value to the side was evident in and out of possession. Starting on the left side of the defensive duo, when England had the ball he and fellow centre-back Marc Guehi split wide, allowing deep-lying midfielder Oliver Skipp to drop in and dictate. It was not unusual to see Godfrey stride down the left inside channel in the first half at Molineux in search of a pass.

More often than not, he found one.

His short passing tends to be crisp and unerring, as you would expect from a defender that honed his game under Daniel Farke at Norwich. At Molineux and also with Norwich, there has been a tendency to look to spring wingers with long diagonals, although neither of his two attempts in the first half of this game found their intended targets — one intercepted and the other sailing out of play.

Godfrey’s potential on the ball is a trait that piqued the interest of Everton scouts and Carlo Ancelotti given the Italian’s focus on vertical passing through the thirds. It is felt he can help the side improve at this after struggles most notably against Liverpool in the FA Cup last season, after which the Everton manager demanded more bravery and accuracy in possession.
 
There are obvious parallels with Mason Holgate, one of his competitors for a place in the Everton starting line-up. Godfrey’s pace, together with that of partner Guehi, allowed England to push up and play a high line. In Michael Keane and Yerry Mina, Ancelotti has two aerially dominant but slower defenders; in Godfrey and Holgate, a duo of quicker ball-players. His arrival at Goodison affords Ancelotti, who has used Michael Keane and Yerry Mina mostly out of necessity this season, the option of doing the same.
 
When Guehi went to meet aerial balls forward, Godfrey would hang back as a sweeper. It is not hard to imagine him doing the same for either Keane or Mina at Goodison. On one occasion, the 22-year-old smartly raced back towards his own goal to intercept a ball over the top. When Holgate returns for Everton — he was expected to be out for around 12 weeks with the toe injury he sustained against Preston in early September — Ancelotti will have two players capable of playing in such a way.

Described as a “leader” in the England Under-21 set-up by his new club team-mate Tom Davies this week, Godfrey was vocal throughout at Molineux, barking instructions to get England out when clearing corners and gesturing to his fellow defenders as to who they should be marking.
Called up in 2019, Godfrey captained the side on only his second appearance, showing obvious leadership traits.

“Ben is a genuine guy and honest,” Boothroyd explains to The Athletic. “He’s just had a huge move to Everton but you wouldn’t know that when he walks in the door. He doesn’t suffer fools in the group and tends to police it along with Tom (Davies) and Eddie (Nketiah). Good, genuine people and good characters.

“Talent only gets you through the door — if you’re a good character you end up staying here.”
In Godfrey’s case, he has done, making his debut against Turkey in September 2019 and coming full circle to help England achieve qualification just over a year later against the same side.

There was more of the same in the second half as England dominated possession and Turkey looked to hit on the counter. But as the visitors grew into the game, Godfrey became busier in other defensive aspects.

Regular observers say it is some of the finer points that still need the most work. Positioning, decision-making etc. On numerous occasions, he went touch tight when Turkey’s forwards received the ball with their backs to goal, at one stage shoving over his marker during a move that led to a shot at Aaron Ramsdale.

From crosses, it was noticeable how he switches between scanning for his opponent and focusing on what the crosser is about to do, surveying the scene and the danger that could materialise.

There were other signs of class too as he adjusted his body shape to take a ball in midfield and switch it out to the right. Tall and lean, there was also a timely leap to glance a free kick behind for a corner as others sniffed an opportunity.
 
Tougher tests await, both for club and country. Against top opposition, Godfrey will be far busier than he was on Tuesday at Molineux. He will need time to fully adjust to life on Merseyside but in Boothroyd he has an advocate who feels he is up for whatever is thrown at him. That will involve battling to win a place in a defence that has started the season well.

“He’ll bring competition (to Everton’s defence) first. He’s got two guys ahead of him initially and he’s got to make a stake for his place, which he will,” Boothroyd tells The Athletic.
 
“He’s the sort of guy that can handle the pressure of going into an environment like that. He’s got a top manager and coaching team to work with, and they’ll help him become an even better player than he was at Norwich. He’s got to kick on because the Premier League is a lot more unforgiving than the Championship.

“I’m sure he will.”
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 15, 2020, 03:46:16 PM
But the cover is more needed at CB, that's why he's been bought. We (Carlo/the club) were very vocal about needing a CB, not midfield cover. By all accounts Tomori was first choice, can he play midfield? Truth is there was no mention of midfield until some post on a Norwich forum about how the lad has developed since being a midfielder.

Calvert-Lewin started as a midfielder before a tactical chat with his coach resulted in him moving forward. Pretty sure none of us want him to be reverted now?

My point is this; he's a you'g lad who's game is developing and will benefit from a settled position rather than employed as a utility man. In extreme situations, fair enough, though I think we have cover.

We bought a CB, let's just see how he develops as a CB?

Fair points.

It's hard for a centre half to get into the team though so think using him as a midfielder might be a good way for him to get minutes over the next year or so.

Mad to think but Jags had 18 months of being a CM and RB before he got his chance at CB.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 15, 2020, 04:09:40 PM
You can’t hang your hat on Delph or Gbamin being fit, and Davies did well against Brighton, but, ya know, come on.

Have been critical of Davies but as you say, he did well against Brighton. Was always in favour of local lads playing in Derby’s , seemed like they really get it but with Tom I would be concerned about his enthusiasm getting the better of him and a couple of rash challenges and he’s off.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 15, 2020, 04:15:30 PM
Have been critical of Davies but as you say, he did well against Brighton. Was always in favour of local lads playing in Derby’s , seemed like they really get it but with Tom I would be concerned about his enthusiasm getting the better of him and a couple of rash challenges and he’s off.

Would be more worried about him losing the ball and them countering.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Fair points.

It's hard for a centre half to get into the team though so think using him as a midfielder might be a good way for him to get minutes over the next year or so.

Mad to think but Jags had 18 months of being a CM and RB before he got his chance at CB.

I guess it depends how Carlo wants to play. Mina and Keane are very similar, as are Godfrey and Holgate. And you can't help but presume the first choice partnership will be a combination of one of each similarities.

Criminal that Jags spent so long in those positions. Christ Moyes was averse to taking a chance wasn't he?!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 15, 2020, 05:16:36 PM
I guess it depends how Carlo wants to play. Mina and Keane are very similar, as are Godfrey and Holgate. And you can't help but presume the first choice partnership will be a combination of one of each similarities.

Criminal that Jags spent so long in those positions. Christ Moyes was averse to taking a chance wasn't he?!

And not playing Baines for ages, initially, preferring Lescott at LB. 
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 05:18:01 PM
And not playing Baines for ages, initially, preferring Lescott at LB. 

Took him so, so long to play Coleman at right back too.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 15, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
Took him so, so long to play Coleman at right back too.

Hibbert likes this.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 15, 2020, 05:20:27 PM
Hibbert likes this.

And Neville  -__-
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 15, 2020, 05:21:08 PM
And Neville  -__-

Christ, yeah.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 15, 2020, 07:48:49 PM
They'll be times when both Delph and Gbamin are out and Davies is required to play forward, I'm not sure he can play that role tbh.

We've spent a lot of money on Godfrey and I think we'll look at ways of getting him on the pitch as much as we can whilst Mina and Keane are bossing it at the back.

If he can play midfield I dont see why we wouldn't utilise that?

I don't think Davies can play forward. 😅
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 15, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
I don't think Davies can play forward. 😅

Further forward than a six is what I meant
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 15, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
Further forward than a six is what I meant

I know I was trying to make a funny. Maybe my emoji didn't come across lol.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on October 15, 2020, 09:18:11 PM
Maybe Moyes way of bedding them in slowly was correct as they all became top top players playing sheltered minutes first.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 15, 2020, 09:54:22 PM
Maybe Moyes way of bedding them in slowly was correct as they all became top top players playing sheltered minutes first.

I mean, i disagree with the entire point, to be honest.

But this is an argument that's made me stop and have a re-think about it.
The word "sheltered" specifically. Maybe we're much more forgiving when a rightback has a poor game as a winger, or a centre-half at DM makes a howler or 3. Because they do and will. But its possible it doesn't effect their confidence/the crowds opinion of them as much.

Fair play.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on October 16, 2020, 12:49:05 AM
Maybe Moyes way of bedding them in slowly was correct as they all became top top players playing sheltered minutes first.

I was going to say that too... all went on to have fantastic careers so really it's easy to argue he got it spot on
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 16, 2020, 01:28:31 AM
Baines has said himself he struggled when he first came and the defence was very settled. Has mentioned the consistency of other players and referenced players like Lescott doing extra work in the gym etc

Think Jags only had a few months not playing at CB. He played with Yobo at CB and Lescott at left back for at least the second half of 07/08

Baines was over a year not in the team consistently before Yobo got injured just before Christmas in 08/09 which moved Lescott to the middle.

Coleman also wasn’t great at defending when he first came.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: cantoffee on October 16, 2020, 01:52:40 AM
Baines has said himself he struggled when he first came and the defence was very settled. Has mentioned the consistency of other players and referenced players like Lescott doing extra work in the gym etc

Think Jags only had a few months not playing at CB. He played with Yobo at CB and Lescott at left back for at least the second half of 07/08

Baines was over a year not in the team consistently before Yobo got injured just before Christmas in 08/09 which moved Lescott to the middle.

Coleman also wasn't great at defending when he first came.
I remember playing Coleman at RW many times.

Grim when you think about it.

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on October 16, 2020, 02:56:59 AM
Utility players are every bit as important as first team players. Every successful side has one or two high quality utility players. If Godfrey can play a few positions for now, fantastic, he will gain experience and settle in well. His time will come in his favored position. He has one of Keane, Mina and Holgate to displace first.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 16, 2020, 05:17:41 AM
I was going to say that too... all went on to have fantastic careers so really it's easy to argue he got it spot on

None that stayed with Everton went on to win anything. I think it's fair to say most are unfulfilled potential. Not blaming that on this position debate, but that "sheltered" and "not being brave enough" attitude of Moyes is something that has hamstrung this club ever since.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 16, 2020, 11:26:46 AM
Just to add, I don't think Moyes was wrong in bedding in those players in positions where they were more free to get away with errors that are expected of young players, I just think he did it for too long. That's what I mean about overly cautious and players being/becoming utility men.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 16, 2020, 02:05:14 PM
Utility players are every bit as important as first team players. Every successful side has one or two high quality utility players. If Godfrey can play a few positions for now, fantastic, he will gain experience and settle in well. His time will come in his favored position. He has one of Keane, Mina and Holgate to displace first.

Eeeeey, back in my day, when I were a lad and all this was just fields, you didn't have such things as benches full of substitutes. You had 11 players on the pitch and a thing called an 'Alan Harper'. And if any player player in any position got injured, you would bring your Alan Harper on, he would take over and everything would carry on as normal as if nothing had ever happened.

And ya tell that to kids today - and they won't believe ya!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on October 16, 2020, 02:29:18 PM
Just to add, I don't think Moyes was wrong in bedding in those players in positions where they were more free to get away with errors that are expected of young players, I just think he did it for too long. That's what I mean about overly cautious and players being/becoming utility men.

None of Jags, Baines, Lescott, Coleman became utility men though? They all became specialists in their position, with an added bonus that if / when required they could fill in a different role too.

Jags, Baines and Coleman are three of the best players for us in their position in a generation, so I just don't see the argument you're making here tbh.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 16, 2020, 04:09:38 PM
None of Jags, Baines, Lescott, Coleman became utility men though? They all became specialists in their position, with an added bonus that if / when required they could fill in a different role too.

Jags, Baines and Coleman are three of the best players for us in their position in a generation, so I just don't see the argument you're making here tbh.

No argument really, just an observation about wanting to deploy defenders in midfield and midfielders in defence. Then it got onto how Moyes utilised players outside of their preferred positions and I would suggest that he did it for too long because he lacked the bravery to trust younger players.

Seperate to that, did that cowardice affect the player's development? For as good as they are their trophy cabinets are empty.

I don't know the answers here, just making observations.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: 74Blue on October 16, 2020, 06:30:02 PM
Eeeeey, back in my day, when I were a lad and all this was just fields, you didn't have such things as benches full of substitutes. You had 11 players on the pitch and a thing called an 'Alan Harper'. And if any player player in any position got injured, you would bring your Alan Harper on, he would take over and everything would carry on as normal as if nothing had ever happened.

And ya tell that to kids today - and they won't believe ya!
Very underrated player indeed was Alan Harper. The fact that Howard Kendall signed him 3 times as a manager speaks volumes. You could put the bloke absolutely anywhere on the pitch and be guaranteed  100% effort and guarantee that he would never let you down.
We also had Kevin Richardson that could slot into a few positions too and would always put a shift in.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: jongre123 on October 16, 2020, 07:21:38 PM
I mean, i disagree with the entire point, to be honest.

But this is an argument that's made me stop and have a re-think about it.
The word "sheltered" specifically. Maybe we're much more forgiving when a rightback has a poor game as a winger, or a centre-half at DM makes a howler or 3. Because they do and will. But its possible it doesn't effect their confidence/the crowds opinion of them as much.

Fair play.

To add onto this point, wasn't Seamus' first game playing LB in the 5-0 at Benfica. That didn't stop him becoming the player he is.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Escla on October 16, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
To add onto this point, wasn't Seamus' first game playing LB in the 5-0 at Benfica. That didn't stop him becoming the player he is.
How can you remember something like that ? Amazes me what some of you remember.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: jongre123 on October 16, 2020, 07:42:30 PM
How can you remember something like that ? Amazes me what some of you remember.

I always remember that game as going into it as I think we had won our first two games and Benfica had just lost to AEK Athens who we smashed in the opener. I couldn't believe the absolute whalloping we then suffered considering I thought we had the better side at the time. Every now and then I like to go back and look at the lineups and laugh at how deluded I was.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZvCkp4n.jpg)

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 16, 2020, 07:43:44 PM
To add onto this point, wasn't Seamus' first game playing LB in the 5-0 at Benfica. That didn't stop him becoming the player he is.

Yeah, I can still see it now, poor lad.

Little did we know he was forged from iron.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 16, 2020, 08:18:55 PM
I always remember that game as going into it as I think we had won our first two games and Benfica had just lost to AEK Athens who we smashed in the opener. I couldn't believe the absolute whalloping we then suffered considering I thought we had the better side at the time. Every now and then I like to go back and look at the lineups and laugh at how deluded I was.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZvCkp4n.jpg)
Beaten by a team with player called Quim.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 16, 2020, 08:34:04 PM
Fucking generational Benfica team, tbf!


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: cantoffee on October 16, 2020, 08:49:41 PM
Yea totally fair to lose that game when you look at the squads, unreal talent in that Benfica team!

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: kerryblue boy on October 16, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
How can you remember something like that ? Amazes me what some of you remember.
He got absolutely rinsed by di Maria in that game
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 16, 2020, 09:19:31 PM
Does anyone remember when he played left mid in an away defeat to Newcastle?

That was seriously bad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 16, 2020, 09:29:42 PM
In Moyes first full season wasn't Carsley playing on the right?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 17, 2020, 01:45:33 AM
In Moyes first full season wasn't Carsley playing on the right?

Pembridge or Unsworth on the left most of the time too.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 17, 2020, 01:47:26 AM
Pembridge or Unsworth on the left most of the time too.



Ha, was just watching the unsworth goal in Moyes first game and thinking surely he wasn’t playing left wing.

Think naysmith had a stint there as well.

Watson right mid too. He was decent to be fair.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Juanito on October 17, 2020, 02:10:08 AM
Yeah, I can still see it now, poor lad.

Little did we know he was forged from iron.

Di Maria taught him a few lessons that day
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Robioto on October 17, 2020, 04:27:52 AM
Ha, was just watching the unsworth goal in Moyes first game and thinking surely he wasn’t playing left wing.

Think naysmith had a stint there as well.

Watson right mid too. He was decent to be fair.

Steve Watson scored a hattrick against Leeds didn't he from right wing? Mad that was.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 17, 2020, 04:29:50 AM
Watson played center forward
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 17, 2020, 04:42:22 AM
Think he played on the wing in that game, Duncan was upfront
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 17, 2020, 04:48:57 AM
Yeah, he was right mid.  When we played him upfront he didn't score a single goal.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on October 17, 2020, 06:11:42 AM
Steve Watson scored a hattrick against Leeds didn't he from right wing? Mad that was.

What a hattrick it was as well.

I’ll always remember that game for McFaddens performance thinking he was the rooney replacement lol.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 17, 2020, 06:29:16 AM
What a hattrick it was as well.

I’ll always remember that game for McFaddens performance thinking he was the rooney replacement lol.


I remember when we were initially linked with him he was touted as the Scottish Rooney, bless him.

Mad that when we got him we had McFadden who was barely 20, and Rooney who was 18.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee Tuesdays on October 17, 2020, 07:39:56 AM


I remember when we were initially linked with him he was touted as the Scottish Rooney, bless him.

Mad that when we got him we had McFadden who was barely 20, and Rooney who was 18.

I remember the goal against Metalist and that’s about it. Aside from the France goal
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Old England Toffee on October 17, 2020, 08:05:20 AM
Beaten by a team with player called Quim.
quim keeps less clean sheets than seaman
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Goaljira on October 17, 2020, 12:27:47 PM


I remember when we were initially linked with him he was touted as the Scottish Rooney, bless him.

Mad that when we got him we had McFadden who was barely 20, and Rooney who was 18.

I remember his debuting the league Cup against maybe Stockport, and thought he was going to be better than Rooney.

He should have been more than he ended up being.   Those goals against Charlton and Fulham are amongst the best of the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 17, 2020, 01:11:04 PM
I remember his debuting the league Cup against maybe Stockport, and thought he was going to be better than Rooney.

He should have been more than he ended up being.   Those goals against Charlton and Fulham are amongst the best of the last 30 years.

I remember the charlton one but I’ve completely forgotten the Fulham goal.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 17, 2020, 01:13:06 PM
I remember the charlton one but I’ve completely forgotten the Fulham goal.

boss little smile there

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on October 17, 2020, 01:18:48 PM
boss little smile there

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Oof.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GLewis on October 17, 2020, 01:42:07 PM
Yeah, he was right mid.  When we played him upfront he didn't score a single goal.

Got a nice assist for Pembridge I think near the end of one game that we won 2-0. Might have been Southampton
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 17, 2020, 02:27:46 PM
boss little smile there

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Similar to another iconic goal by another Evertonian called James..
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 17, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
What a hattrick it was as well.

I’ll always remember that game for McFaddens performance thinking he was the rooney replacement lol.

Was that his first start in league or first game in league for us after he boosted it in league cup?

Sure against leeds he had a breakaway and a one on one and I remember being desperate for him score it (he didn't) and wanting him be my new hero.

Also remember randzinski could have tapped one of Watson's goals in on the line but moved out the way. Might have been the hat trick goal
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on October 17, 2020, 03:58:22 PM
What a hattrick it was as well.

I’ll always remember that game for McFaddens performance thinking he was the rooney replacement lol.

Was there for that game and remember the lad behind me declaring him the new Messiah. Tbf he was class that day.

Also remember it taking 10 hours to get back to Cardiff due to roadworks and traffic. Hell of a long day that
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Nicco on October 17, 2020, 06:25:52 PM
boss little smile there

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Thought you Linked to Cocu Martinas goal there for a sec
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 17, 2020, 09:41:29 PM
boss little smile there

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Wasn't even the best goal we scored in that game!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 17, 2020, 09:43:09 PM
How did he do for pace up against Mane?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: 74Blue on October 17, 2020, 09:44:38 PM
Thought Godfrey handled the pressure of a derby quite well tbf. He didn't look massively out of place and did ok considering what he was up against. He got caught out a couple of times, but made a decent contribution and looks like he will be pretty decent once he's fully settled into the squad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on October 17, 2020, 09:47:03 PM
How did he do for pace up against Mane?

Well enough considering he was thrust into his first game in a position that was at best his third after CB and DM.

We got ourselves a player methinks.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 17, 2020, 09:48:51 PM
He did well today. We're building a squad with a nice blend of athleticism and ability.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Tinga on October 17, 2020, 09:51:15 PM
He looked great, only one mistake he made was that header that fell right to Mane, could have been costly.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on October 17, 2020, 09:55:10 PM
Enjoyed his marauding run.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blueToffee on October 17, 2020, 09:58:53 PM
Enjoyed his marauding run.

Yeah, that was Coleman like bumping off players.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: cantoffee on October 17, 2020, 10:07:46 PM
Strong, fast, good in the air.

Not a right back though. Did well considering but looked out of place to me. Not that I blame him.

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: mikey_blue on October 17, 2020, 10:34:33 PM
That block with his bullet proof chest.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: NomadskiEFC on October 17, 2020, 10:39:16 PM
Thought he did well considering he was chucked into the deep end. A couple of moments that could have led to a RS goal, but he looked strong, had a nice dribble, made one particularly important block.

Couldn’t have been easy considering not having much time with the squad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: BlueNoseMike on October 18, 2020, 01:45:21 AM
I liked how some of their players bounced off him when he made a tackle. Looked rapid too and looked to play out.

Could also see him telling other players what to do, which I believe the red shute raved about thiago doing in his debut 😂 bit still good for a kid in a team of older heads. James ignored him though(and why not, it's ficking James 😂)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Silas on October 18, 2020, 01:48:20 AM
He looked quite secure considering Rodriguez wasn't doing too much defensively
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on October 18, 2020, 02:12:53 AM
Looks to have all the attributes needed. Very close battle between our four CBs.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 18, 2020, 03:09:19 AM
Did well.

Did the basics very well, which I loved.

This built confidence and enabled the run which was excellent to see. Shame Richarlison didn't make more of being given the ball in space on the edge of their box.

Got into trouble a couple of times when he tried some more complicated moves though. This wasn't the game for that and he learned his lesson and went back to doing the basics very well.

I'm not going to slate him for trying to do more though, good on him for having a go.

Only thing was the wayward header towards the end which was made under no pressure, although it was coming down from over his shoulder.

Impressed me a lot.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on October 18, 2020, 03:10:26 AM
Unit.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on October 18, 2020, 03:12:41 AM
Unit.

Ask Henderson about those pauldrons!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Nicco on October 18, 2020, 03:55:29 PM
Ask Henderson about those pauldrons!
Godfrey did barely notice the collision.

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on October 19, 2020, 04:49:51 AM
Try not to wank.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on October 20, 2020, 12:47:34 AM
Try not to wank.

Failed.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2020, 03:18:51 PM
Some growing chat on the twitters around having this big lump play 6 with Allan and Doucs ahead of him
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 11, 2020, 03:22:50 PM
Some growing chat on the twitters around having this big lump play 6 with Allan and Doucs ahead of him

Carlo trying to find a solution to having to play Gylfi or Gomes?

I suppose behind those two you’d just need good awareness, physically and the ability to spray it wide when necessary?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: dazfrancis on November 11, 2020, 03:38:25 PM
Think I would rather see him in a 3 at the back and playing the sweeper role rather than as a DM. a more natual position defensively for him and can carry it out from the back
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 11, 2020, 04:04:59 PM
Think I would rather see him in a 3 at the back and playing the sweeper role rather than as a DM. a more natual position defensively for him and can carry it out from the back
Doesn’t solve the midfield issue though.

I’d try him in at CM. He’s played there before, albeit, not at this level. He’s mobile, athletic and good on the ball. Maybe let Doucoure break forward more.

There’s a team that don’t play too far from us that have the 433 perfected. They have 3 energetic, but pretty unspectacular CMs who’s job is just to screen, cover the fullbacks and give the ball to their flair players. The formula is there for all to see.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on November 11, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
I think it might help Allan to be further up the pitch. Also, he has some dribbling and passing abilities that probably aren't being best used at the moment in the deeper position.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Risky on November 11, 2020, 04:35:06 PM
Certainly doesn't sound like the worst plan in the world as things stand.

He's played a fair bit of football there, would hopefully provide some more defensive protection (would hopefully make things like Fernandes mincing in to the box unmarked a thing of the past), and would allow Allan and Doucoure to do their pressing higher up the pitch. 
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 11, 2020, 04:35:09 PM
I think it might help Allan to be further up the pitch. Also, he has some dribbling and passing abilities that probably aren't being best used at the moment in the deeper position.
I’ve said before; Allan isn’t going to screen the back 4. His game is to going ratting around the midfield, pressing and trying to nick the ball.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on November 11, 2020, 04:43:35 PM
Some growing chat on the twitters around having this big lump play 6 with Allan and Doucs ahead of him

Well, I did suggest it when he arrived.

Allan’s more of a seeker, like Gana, and Doucouré is a box to box man, so trying Godfrey or Gbamin (if he’s ever robust enough) as a 6 would be potentially great if it came off.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on November 11, 2020, 05:27:18 PM
Ok. Let's try it. I give my permission to try against Fulham this weekend.

Holgate worked well there too.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: phillyt on November 11, 2020, 05:35:38 PM
Some growing chat on the twitters around having this big lump play 6 with Allan and Doucs ahead of him

I actually dug out this thread the other day to suggest that this was a good idea (little one needed a shit so forgot about it)

I think with his pace and defensive awareness he would do a job there on a temporary basis or as back up. I think with holgate getting fit he is unlikely to get much of a look in at CB.

I also though of him potentially playing in front of Coleman, similar to Coleman himself when he first started playing regularly. Might offer some protection down that right side and allow Seamus to push forward more. The risk with that though is he is naturally drawn inside.

I think if he isn’t going to play his natural position then defensive mf would be an option for him. He’s got pace, can tackle and carry the ball forward too. A decent shout I think.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 11, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
I can see him playing dm but dropping in to make it a back 3 when we attack
Would allow both full backs to overload and more or less be a 343 if we use it correctly, rodriguez could drift in and play off dcl and Richarlison can do them for out to in late runs
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on November 11, 2020, 06:41:53 PM
Fulham is probably the game where we don't need to actually do this, I'd rather we moved James central as we should dominant the game.

Maybe Godfrey in there against Leeds though.
Title: Ben Godfrey
Post by: stirlingblue on November 11, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
It also gives the benefit of Godfrey getting game time, as we can't be splashing £25m on players to leave them rotting on the bench.

Not sure how often he's played there, but Holgate definitely worked ok there in the past
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: stirlingblue on November 11, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Fulham is probably the game where we don't need to actually do this, I'd rather we moved James central as we should dominant the game.

Maybe Godfrey in there against Leeds though.

Leeds would be a bit of a baptism of fire given how much they press the ball in midfield
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: ajax_andy on November 11, 2020, 07:05:58 PM
Leeds would be a bit of a baptism of fire given how much they press the ball in midfield

True but we need a good win against Fulham to build confidence, which we have more chance of achieving imo with James centrally rather than Godfrey
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: bornblue88 on November 11, 2020, 08:19:42 PM
On the face of it Fulham is an easier game so I’d rather give Godfrey a game at dm there to see how it works. Or let him play cb and have mason in midfield. A clean sheet is a must in the next game
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2020, 09:07:54 PM
I actually dug out this thread the other day to suggest that this was a good idea (little one needed a shit so forgot about it)

I think with his pace and defensive awareness he would do a job there on a temporary basis or as back up. I think with holgate getting fit he is unlikely to get much of a look in at CB.

I also though of him potentially playing in front of Coleman, similar to Coleman himself when he first started playing regularly. Might offer some protection down that right side and allow Seamus to push forward more. The risk with that though is he is naturally drawn inside.

I think if he isn’t going to play his natural position then defensive mf would be an option for him. He’s got pace, can tackle and carry the ball forward too. A decent shout I think.

Apparently had played a fair bit there lower down the leagues, I remember elpivote saying he actually looked more promising as a DM.

Find it a bit hard to believe he's a 25m DM and we just didn't know it, but at least he's somewhat comfortable in that role.

Doucoure and Allan are putting in HUGE amounts of work at the moment, but it's a bit like having two Gueyes. Ball seeking missiles that don't care too much for position discipline or getting broke in behind.

You'd think a three of

Allan (press)   Doucoure (press & progress the ball)
            Godfrey (screen)

Would give a bit of solidify compared to

Whoever (nothing).      Doucoure (press and push up)
                  Allan (press and screen)


But personally I do think we'll see him go to a 442 again, go back to the well and start again. Cover space, cover the pitch, move in banks of 4, get clean sheets, build from that
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on November 11, 2020, 09:30:59 PM
Holgate in 6 would be another option. He plated midfield a few times last year and was our best passer while doing so!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 11, 2020, 10:47:39 PM
Not sure why there's so many calls today for Godfrey to come in at centre mid. Theres one position I want to see this lad play and its centre back

We've pretty much got all our centre mid options available to us apart from Gbamin, including the 2 that we splashed like a combined 50m or whatever on in the summer in Allan and Doucoure. They are both still new to the team and settling in

Personally I think Richarlisons return to the side is going to put the shape back into our attack, will help out Dom and also take some of the focus off James anyway and as a result the team will just function better than it has the last few games


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 11, 2020, 11:18:24 PM
Not sure why there's so many calls today for Godfrey to come in at centre mid. Theres one position I want to see this lad play and its centre back

We've pretty much got all our centre mid options available to us apart from Gbamin, including the 2 that we splashed like a combined 50m or whatever on in the summer in Allan and Doucoure. They are both still new to the team and settling in

Personally I think Richarlisons return to the side is going to put the shape back into our attack, will help out Dom and also take some of the focus off James anyway and as a result the team will just function better than it has the last few games


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I'm not that keen on seeing him in midfield, bit I think it just highlights how highly rated most of that fit midfield are, and that most would rather see a centre back there, than the current options we have

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 12, 2020, 06:34:40 AM
Godfrey would have been ideal for DM against Man U and the way they set up, but that's with hindsight.

I wouldn't be averse to him there against Fulham in a 433, although with Richarlison back I'd like us to revert to the lineup that won us the first 4 games because I dont see Fulham causing us too many problems.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 01:41:00 AM
Another one isn't he
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 01:42:37 AM
Not had a great start but it might be a tad too soon to be writing him off like.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on November 29, 2020, 01:45:24 AM
Not sure he works in a three.

Then again tbh I am flat out unsure about anything anymore.

My Mrs was ordering an indian on Just Eat during the game and I asked her to order some Prawn Crackers.

Prawn Crackers.

From a fucking Indian.

Fuck off Everton 😧
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Shogun on November 29, 2020, 01:46:48 AM
Not sure why we signed him tbh. 4 distinctly average CBs (5 if you include Branthwaite).

Meanwhile we have no RW in the squad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on November 29, 2020, 01:48:54 AM
Not sure why we signed him tbh. 4 distinctly average CBs (5 if you include Branthwaite).

Meanwhile we have no RW in the squad.

And no decent right back.

Regardless of whether you where banking on Coleman being fit the whole season he is still way past his best and Kenny is shite.

Should have gone for Arrons instead of Godfrey.

Not that I reckon Godfreys crap he just wasn't what we needed.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 01:57:39 AM
And no decent right back.

Regardless of whether you where banking on Coleman being fit the whole season he is still way past his best and Kenny is shite.

Should have gone for Arrons instead of Godfrey.

Not that I reckon Godfreys crap he just wasn't what we needed.
Come on, it's not like we don't have form for this. Wanted Zaha, got Iwobi in desperation, wanted a right back, spent 25 million on a centre back we don't need

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 02:04:37 AM
Not sure why we signed him tbh. 4 distinctly average CBs (5 if you include Branthwaite).

Meanwhile we have no RW in the squad.

This is my issue with it. What's the thinking? Is there any thinking?

Seem to sign players without any forethought into how we will actually shape up on the pitch at all.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 02:14:17 AM


This is my issue with it. What's the thinking? Is there any thinking?

Seem to sign players without any forethought into how we will actually shape up on the pitch at all.

I'll be recruiting you to the 'Brands is a clueless prick' group with comments like this....

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: blargins on November 29, 2020, 02:17:00 AM
Not impressed so far but he’s young and I think will come good. Keane and Mina are our best pairing at the moment but with Holgate back I hope he’ll get some form and replace Mina.

Need a couple of fall backs now don’t we?


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2020, 02:17:28 AM
Did okay against Liverpool been an absolute liability since
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on November 29, 2020, 02:18:13 AM
Did okay against Liverpool been an absolute liability since

He’s come into a bit of a shitshow, though.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on November 29, 2020, 02:21:31 AM
Too early to assess him imo. Come into quite a chaotic setup. I've seen plenty there to work with, but might take him a season to settle down and develop properly.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gash on November 29, 2020, 02:24:35 AM
Been thrown in all over the place since he arrived, think it's a bit harsh to start having a go at the lad already. People moan when we buy 27-28 year old players getting past their peak, then we buy a highly rated 22 year old with a lot of potential who's been put into an unsettled and often changed defence and you're turning on him already, there really is no middle ground on here at times.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 02:25:21 AM
Aye you know what you're right we should just accept whatever the club does good shout
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 02:27:32 AM
Don’t think Carlo rates Mina at all so probably asked for a centre half and Brands recommended Godfrey.

He’s not been great but he has all the attributes to be a top defender so it’s going to be a work in progress. I’ve got no problem with is making this signing.

I’m not convinced Keane is playing all that well myself. Would be interesting to see if there’s any improvement at the back should he not be available.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gash on November 29, 2020, 02:30:47 AM
Aye you know what you're right we should just accept whatever the club does good shout

No one's said that.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on November 29, 2020, 02:36:28 AM
Aye you know what you're right we should just accept whatever the club does good shout

Good point. Well made 🙄
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 02:47:52 AM
Here they are the super bloos!

He might end up being a boss player tbh, at least he is young like you say and he's certainly got physical tools to work with.

for me what annoys me is, did we need to spend £25m on a long term project CB when we we look at the squad? Probably not really.

Planning, decision making, squad building, talent identification. The right players in the right places? Still spending like lottery winners without much going on upstairs imo.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on November 29, 2020, 02:50:53 AM
Here they are the super bloos!

He might end up being a boss player tbh, at least he is young like you say and he's certainly got physical tools to work with.

for me what annoys me is, did we need to spend £25m on a long term project CB when we we look at the squad? Probably not really.

Planning, decision making, squad building, talent identification. The right players in the right places? Still spending like lottery winners without much going on upstairs imo.

Why are you making pricking statements like that? If it was someone slagging off Iwobi we’d have a 5 page essay about how he was brilliant three years ago in a game against Kidderminster in the League  Cup.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 29, 2020, 02:51:40 AM
And no decent right back.

Regardless of whether you where banking on Coleman being fit the whole season he is still way past his best and Kenny is shite.

Should have gone for Arrons instead of Godfrey.

Not that I reckon Godfreys crap he just wasn't what we needed.

Don’t worry, Aarons is just as shit, we’d just be having the reverse argument
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 02:53:19 AM
Why are you making pricking statements like that? If it was someone slagging off Iwobi we’d have a 5 page essay about how he was brilliant three years ago in a game against Kidderminster in the League  Cup.

Yeah taking my frustration out a bit on you and gash over a minor annoyance I suppose, apologies
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 02:53:20 AM
Here they are the super bloos!

He might end up being a boss player tbh, at least he is young like you say and he's certainly got physical tools to work with.

for me what annoys me is, did we need to spend £25m on a long term project CB when we we look at the squad? Probably not really.

Planning, decision making, squad building, talent identification. The right players in the right places? Still spending like lottery winners without much going on upstairs imo.

Considering how terrible we are at the back and how poorly Holgate and Mina have played, I would argue yes.

Actually, Holgate and branthwaite were injured when we bought Godfrey wernt they? Would be negligible if anything not to sign a centre half.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 02:53:48 AM
Considering how terrible we are at the back and how poorly Holgate and Mina have played, I would argue yes.

Actually, Holgate and branthwaite were injured when we bought Godfrey wernt they? Would be negligible if anything not to sign a centre half.


But, why not a good one?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 02:58:26 AM


Considering how terrible we are at the back and how poorly Holgate and Mina have played, I would argue yes.

Actually, Holgate and branthwaite were injured when we bought Godfrey wernt they? Would be negligible if anything not to sign a centre half.

It would be negligible if they were out for the season, they were only out about 3 games, surely the medical teams must've had an idea of the severity of their injuries?

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on November 29, 2020, 03:02:44 AM
But, why not a good one?

Judging him on how many games? Two of them played in his less favoured position? Really?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 03:02:53 AM
But, why not a good one?

Well, they think he’s a good centre half, whether they’re right or not remains to be seen.

One thing is for sure, they won’t be basing their opinion on three and a half games.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gash on November 29, 2020, 03:02:59 AM
Here they are the super bloos!

He might end up being a boss player tbh, at least he is young like you say and he's certainly got physical tools to work with.

for me what annoys me is, did we need to spend £25m on a long term project CB when we we look at the squad? Probably not really.

Planning, decision making, squad building, talent identification. The right players in the right places? Still spending like lottery winners without much going on upstairs imo.

It's just people giving an opinion, not sure what the "super bloos" stuff is all about. Typically immature stuff.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 03:03:55 AM

It would be negligible if they were out for the season, they were only out about 3 games, surely the medical teams must've had an idea of the severity of their injuries?

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You would’ve been happy starting the season with two fit centre halves?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 03:07:23 AM
You would've been happy starting the season with two fit centre halves?
Brands didn't give a fuck last season when we lost Zouma?
And if the medical team turned around and said you'll have 2 centre backs back in a matter of weeks, so the options were to get a right back, that we desperately need, or to get another centre back that we wouldn't need in 2 weeks, then yes, I would've been ok with it especially if the only option cost 25 million

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cozzie on November 29, 2020, 03:07:44 AM
Don’t worry, Aarons is just as shit, we’d just be having the reverse argument

But a right back none the less.

Don't think he is shit at all but ok.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on November 29, 2020, 03:10:38 AM

It would be negligible if they were out for the season, they were only out about 3 games, surely the medical teams must've had an idea of the severity of their injuries?

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We definitely needed another because Branthwaite is too young to be relied upon as a 4th choice centre back, but somebody on loan would have been fine.

That said, it's way too soon to be writing him off, although the money might have been better spent on a young right back.


Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 03:11:19 AM
Brands didn't give a fuck last season when we lost Zouma?
And if the medical team turned around and said you'll have 2 centre backs back in a matter of weeks, so the options were to get a right back, that we desperately need, or to get another centre back that we wouldn't need in 2 weeks, then yes, I would've been ok with it especially if the only option cost 25 million

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Brands tried to sign Zouma then moved onto players like rojo at the last minute when we couldn’t get a deal.

None of the centre halves we already had at the club are convincing so the need to sign a centre half, even without the injuries was there.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 03:12:50 AM
We definitely needed another because Branthwaite is too young to be relied upon as a 4th choice centre back, but somebody on loan would have been fine.

That said, it's way too soon to be writing him off, although the money might have been better spent on a young exciting right back.
I'm not writing him off, I just think in terms of priorities a 25 million 4th choice centre back wouldn't have been top of my extensive list of reinforcements needed.

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 03:12:55 AM
Thing is, you can’t sort everything out in one window.

We need countless more players to be competitive at the top of the league. It can’t all be done at once. We decided to sign a centre half this window, we’ll sign a right back and a winger in the next two when the right player is available.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on November 29, 2020, 03:13:58 AM
Thing is, you can’t sort everything out in one window.

We need countless more players to be competitive at the top of the league. It can’t all be done at once. We decided to sign a centre half this window, we’ll sign a right back and a winger in the next two when the right player is available.

Are you confident in our talent identification and the metrics we use to identify talent?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 29, 2020, 03:14:09 AM
But, why not a good one?

Weren’t you pretty keen on him when he signed?!

I’ll put it down to frustration at today’s game, I feel the same but not jumping on the slag off wagon
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 03:16:56 AM
Are you confident in our talent identification and the metrics we use to identify talent?
Are you insinuating there are better things than YouTube?

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cassius on November 29, 2020, 03:17:02 AM
We definitely needed another because Branthwaite is too young to be relied upon as a 4th choice centre back, but somebody on loan would have been fine.

That said, it's way too soon to be writing him off, although the money might have been better spent on a young right back.


Brands wanted Tomori on loan but when Chelsea fucked us around he went for Godfrey as a longer term option. That's fine in my book and he does need time, although we're so desperate for a RB it feels like poor judgement in hindsight.

By the way, hello mate, hope you're good!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 29, 2020, 03:17:23 AM
Are you confident in our talent identification and the metrics we use to identify talent?

With brands and Carlo at the helm I think we have two of the best people possible to make this squad competitive so, yes.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: toshyboy on November 29, 2020, 03:18:08 AM
FFS give him a chance. He’s a kid who’s played CB in a 4. Not done that for us yet so in a learning curve
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on November 29, 2020, 03:23:10 AM
I'm not writing him off, I just think in terms of priorities a 25 million 4th choice centre back wouldn't have been top of my extensive list of reinforcements needed.

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Really we needed both, one of which could have been a loan (preferably a centre back), but considering the size of our sqaud that probably wasn't possible.

What's frustrating is that as soon as Coleman injured we're forced to change formation because Carlo clearly doesn't fancy Kenny.

We have the exact same issue on the left too if Digne is injured, because Nkounkou isn't deemed good enough to play there either.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 03:23:39 AM
It's just people giving an opinion, not sure what the "super bloos" stuff is all about. Typically immature stuff.

Yeah like I say, pointing my frustration at the wrong thing aren't I. It is just an opinion, obviously it was directed at me like but it is just your opinion.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 03:25:38 AM
It wasn't ever going to be s long term fix, but missing out on Silva was a big blow for us, providing we were in for him? Think we need someone with more experience to settle the team. Pickford is erratic as fuck and so is it defence, we needed a steady head. Put someone like David Weir or Gough in the defence and I bet they look a whole lot better as a unit, I'm not sure how Godfrey helps that?

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 03:38:34 AM
Are you confident in our talent identification and the metrics we use to identify talent?

I think we have maybe three players who have increased value since we signed them? Four if you count Holgate.

We've jacked wages through the ceiling, jacked transfers through the ceiling. Have gained basically nothing.

God bless moshiri his heart seems to be in the right place but we are worse off than under Moyes at this moment, and the further down the road we go of not thinking about the future or having any kind of plan the worse it will get, no matter how much star power the manager has.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: velimski on November 29, 2020, 03:38:53 AM


By the way, hello mate, hope you're good!

Long time mate. I'm all good. Yourself? Remember the bad old days when Everton were shit? Yeah well they're still here.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 29, 2020, 03:40:22 AM
This is my issue with it. What's the thinking? Is there any thinking?

Seem to sign players without any forethought into how we will actually shape up on the pitch at all.
The thinking was probably that we’ll move Mina on in the summer and Branthwaite isn’t ready.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 29, 2020, 03:46:03 AM
I think we have maybe three players who have increased value since we signed them? Four if you count Holgate.

We've jacked wages through the ceiling, jacked transfers through the ceiling. Have gained basically nothing.

God bless moshiri his heart seems to be in the right place but we are worse off than under Moyes at this moment, and the further down the road we go of not thinking about the future or having any kind of plan the worse it will get, no matter how much star power the manager has.

4th youngest team in the PL last year, before we signed Godfrey and Nkounkou, what future planning do you want? 11 wonder kids ready to drop into the team?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 03:47:07 AM
The thinking was probably that we'll move Mina on in the summer and Branthwaite isn't ready.


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It's a bit of a conflict of interests though isn't it. Brands needs to justify his job, yet the players he needs to move on, like Mina, we'll take a massive hit on. Like Brap alluded too, probably 80% of his signings have devalued, hardly a great plus to take into your contact review meeting is it

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Title: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 29, 2020, 03:48:55 AM
I think we have maybe three players who have increased value since we signed them? Four if you count Holgate.

We've jacked wages through the ceiling, jacked transfers through the ceiling. Have gained basically nothing.

God bless moshiri his heart seems to be in the right place but we are worse off than under Moyes at this moment, and the further down the road we go of not thinking about the future or having any kind of plan the worse it will get, no matter how much star power the manager has.
You have to consider Carlo's reign a new chapter and a new plan. It's not year 5 of a 5 year plan, is it? It's the start of another one. The squad needed too much of an overhaul to be implemented in one summer.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 29, 2020, 03:55:26 AM
You have to consider Carlo's reign a new chapter and a new plan. It's not year 5 of a 5 year plan, is it? It's the start of another one. The squad needed too much of an overhaul to be implemented in one summer.


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But why can’t we be good instantly god dammit?!? I don’t want another season of ups and downs

Moshiri’s been here ages  ::)
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 29, 2020, 03:56:05 AM
You have to consider Carlo's reign a new chapter and a new plan. It's not year 5 of a 5 year plan, is it? It's the start of another one. The squad needed too much of an overhaul to be implemented in one summer.


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I think what you're saying is correct for us atm, but fundamentally wrong, which is why were in such a shit state. A new manager shouldn't mean the start of a new project everytime, if you have the right structure, vision and approach a new manager doesn't have to start from scratch, he builds on what is there. We can't be having discussions again in 2 years when Carlo gets sacked that we have 8 players that need moving on as they're for a different manager/system, it just isn't sustainable

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 03:59:44 AM
You have to consider Carlo’s reign and new chapter and a new plan. It’s not year 5 or a 5 year plan, is it? It’s the start of another one. The squad needed too much of an overhaul to be implemented in one summer.

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I definitely take your point re the squad bloat.

I don't know if Allan, Doucoure and James in key positions (or are they? To play what positions? ) Is particularly planning for a 5 year build, especially given the squad wage issues you mentioned right?

Just not confident in anything at all at Everton at the minute.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on November 29, 2020, 04:05:48 AM
Let's face it, we didn't really need Godfrey but everyone else panicked when Holgate got injured. It's debatable if Godfrey will go on to fulfil his potential. I suspect Branthwaite is the better prospect though.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 29, 2020, 04:25:45 AM
I think what you're saying is correct for us atm, but fundamentally wrong, which is why were in such a shit state. A new manager shouldn't mean the start of a new project everytime, if you have the right structure, vision and approach a new manager doesn't have to start from scratch, he builds on what is there. We can't be having discussions again in 2 years when Carlo gets sacked that we have 8 players that need moving on as they're for a different manager/system, it just isn't sustainable

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I agree - but when someone like Carlo is willing to come to your club, you have to be willing to ditch the ethos, IMO.


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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gash on November 29, 2020, 04:48:39 AM
Yeah like I say, pointing my frustration at the wrong thing aren't I. It is just an opinion, obviously it was directed at me like but it is just your opinion.

Surely you can see the irony though, you constantly beat the drum about signing older players and that we should be signing younger players then you turn on a young player after about 300 minutes of football here, in an unsettled defence playing various positions/formations. At least practice what you preach, he might well turn out to be shite but it's a bit soon to turn on him.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 05:02:21 AM
Surely you can see the irony though, you constantly beat the drum about signing older players and that we should be signing younger players then you turn on a young player after about 300 minutes of football here, in an unsettled defence playing various positions/formations. At least practice what you preach, he might well turn out to be shite but it's a bit soon to turn on him.

It's a fair argument and I can understand why you think that.

I don't think it the two are mutually exclusive and I think can be more generally pulled under a single heading of I Think Our Recruitment Is Generally Poor For Various Reasons.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gash on November 29, 2020, 05:33:12 AM
It's a fair argument and I can understand why you think that.

I don't think it the two are mutually exclusive and I think can be more generally pulled under a single heading of I Think Our Recruitment Is Generally Poor For Various Reasons.


I don't think anyone will deny that at times since Moshiri took over our spending has been "scattergun" at best. We've made some good signings, we've made some poor signings. But in this case we've had the chance to buy a young, rated centre back so we've bought him, we've not bought him to cover right back, central defence or because we need a right midfielder etc, we've bought him because he was a player that was available and one for the future, regardless of other positions that were needed so saw as an opportunity to invest in him, pretty much everything you've wanted the club to do.

I agree with your point about recruitment but you've totally gone against pretty much every reasonable argument you've made about young players, giving them time, play them in the correct position, invest in the future etc just because you don't seem to rate the guy after 300 minutes of football, it just seems a bit inconsistent.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 06:09:25 AM

I don't think anyone will deny that at times since Moshiri took over our spending has been "scattergun" at best. We've made some good signings, we've made some poor signings. But in this case we've had the chance to buy a young, rated centre back so we've bought him, we've not bought him to cover right back, central defence or because we need a right midfielder etc, we've bought him because he was a player that was available and one for the future, regardless of other positions that were needed so saw as an opportunity to invest in him, pretty much everything you've wanted the club to do.

I agree with your point about recruitment but you've totally gone against pretty much every reasonable argument you've made about young players, giving them time, play them in the correct position, invest in the future etc just because you don't seem to rate the guy after 300 minutes of football, it just seems a bit inconsistent.



Well as you say, it's just someone giving their opinion.

I think he's been bad enough in the time we've seen to say, wow, what was going on for us to put 25m down for this guy, he is a disaster so far.

Obviously I'd be over the moon if he came good and he very well might! But just because he's young doesn't mean I have to support the signing unfalteringly.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Confucius on November 29, 2020, 06:13:27 AM
This thread is bonkers. It’s the kids third game for us. Actually didn’t think he played badly. Had pace, physically strong, doesn’t get beaten one on one. Probably could be better in the air. Struggled with the space he had in front of him and got into good positions but you could tell he has never been that high up before.

Saved us a goal in the first half with a brilliant goal line clearance and was quite unlucky with the Raphina goal. He hesitated a second because all game Leeds had runners into space so didn’t want to commit. He will learn, he will make mistakes.

Think he is going to be very very good myself. Him and Holgate will mean we have two of the fastest CB’s around and they can both play.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Gash on November 29, 2020, 06:31:44 AM
Well as you say, it's just someone giving their opinion.

I think he's been bad enough in the time we've seen to say, wow, what was going on for us to put 25m down for this guy, he is a disaster so far.

Obviously I'd be over the moon if he came good and he very well might! But just because he's young doesn't mean I have to support the signing unfalteringly.


Yeah, I get all that, but what I'm saying is you've set your standard on here for giving young players a chance, so the next time Iwobi's shite for the umpteenth time and everyone's saying he is just take a step back before you preach to us all about how great he is but he's getting played out of position etc.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Brownie on November 29, 2020, 07:39:30 AM
Well as you say, it's just someone giving their opinion.

I think he's been bad enough in the time we've seen to say, wow, what was going on for us to put 25m down for this guy, he is a disaster so far.

Obviously I'd be over the moon if he came good and he very well might! But just because he's young doesn't mean I have to support the signing unfalteringly.


Fucking hell - ‘disaster’? Bit hyperbolic like.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 02:56:27 PM
Yeah, I get all that, but what I'm saying is you've set your standard on here for giving young players a chance, so the next time Iwobi's shite for the umpteenth time and everyone's saying he is just take a step back before you preach to us all about how great he is but he's getting played out of position etc.

I don't think we'll have to wait long if it's any consolation!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2020, 03:05:17 PM
You have to consider Carlo's reign a new chapter and a new plan. It's not year 5 of a 5 year plan, is it? It's the start of another one. The squad needed too much of an overhaul to be implemented in one summer.


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Can we afford another midtable having spent the bulk of our money on players approaching 30. What’s the point of Allan James and daucoure (who’s a bit crap anyway) if we aren’t gonna actually improve before they start declining.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 29, 2020, 03:11:39 PM
I agree - but when someone like Carlo is willing to come to your club, you have to be willing to ditch the ethos, IMO.


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Absolutely and the manager has to be responsible if the expensive players approaching 30 don’t lead to improvements straight away

Look it’s undeniable that ancelotti has an amazing cv but that takes absolutely nothing away from the fact that he’s currently doing a really shitty job. What he’s done here isn’t markedly better than what koeman allardyce silva and Martinez did. Not sure it’s better at all and surely it’s undeniable that he’s got better players. At some stage he has to take the responsibility for it.
If we finish midtable again then we’ve not only wasted another season but we’ve wasted a lot of money on James Allan and daucoure. We can’t sign players in their late 20s and talk about a 5 year plan. You sign them players with a plan to do something now
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Cassius on November 29, 2020, 04:50:00 PM
Long time mate. I'm all good. Yourself? Remember the bad old days when Everton were shit? Yeah well they're still here.

Hahaha mate it's all I've ever known.

Yeah all good thanks man
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 29, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
This thread went a bit mental ey
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: brap2 on November 29, 2020, 08:51:04 PM
This thread went a bit mental ey

Yeah I mean, I don't want it to be that I'm turning on him or writing him off or whatever, but I have my opinion on the signing that it wasn't a good use of money and I don't love what I've seen of him as a player when there are such gaping critical holes elsewhere.

I'm not saying bin him off or never play him or whatever I'm just saying, what was the thinking behind this one?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 29, 2020, 08:54:38 PM
Yeah I mean, I don't want it to be that I'm turning on him or writing him off or whatever, but I have my opinion on the signing that it wasn't a good use of money and I don't love what I've seen of him as a player when there are such gaping critical holes elsewhere.

I'm not saying bin him off or never play him or whatever I'm just saying, what was the thinking behind this one?

Far cry from the most batshit crazy opinion in NSNO-land the past 24 hours.

Personally think it was simply a 'we're going to need this piece and he's available' decision myself. Doesn't mean there was a smart £25m RB or RW available.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 30, 2020, 12:02:30 AM
Yeah I mean, I don't want it to be that I'm turning on him or writing him off or whatever, but I have my opinion on the signing that it wasn't a good use of money and I don't love what I've seen of him as a player when there are such gaping critical holes elsewhere.

I'm not saying bin him off or never play him or whatever I'm just saying, what was the thinking behind this one?

Re the club spending in general: Obviously it’s wages that’s the issue and not fees. We can take on a Godfrey and not really skip a beat.

Re the plan: the defence is to be overhauled and this kid came up ahead of schedule and we bought him because we didn’t want him going anywhere else.

Just my take and kinda why I’m not bothered that we stocked up on an extra CB. We deffo would have needed one next summer with either/both Keane and Mina being moved on.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bluedylan on November 30, 2020, 12:19:36 AM
So are we kinda saying that we need two new CBs, a new RB, a new keeper and probably a new DM to shore the defence up, and that Digne is the only player we're happy with, on our side of the halfway line?

Marcel Brands really doing a stellar job, 2 and a half years in.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 30, 2020, 12:36:26 AM
So are we kinda saying that we need two new CBs, a new RB, a new keeper and probably a new DM to shore the defence up, and that Digne is the only player we're happy with, on our side of the halfway line?

Marcel Brands really doing a stellar job, 2 and a half years in.

I’d sell Keane, keep Mina, see how Holgate does, keep Godfrey, replace Coleman, keep Digne.

Oh and sign a replacement for JPG (hard to see how he comes in and played loads of games).
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on November 30, 2020, 12:46:44 AM
So are we kinda saying that we need two new CBs, a new RB, a new keeper and probably a new DM to shore the defence up, and that Digne is the only player we're happy with, on our side of the halfway line?

Marcel Brands really doing a stellar job, 2 and a half years in.

BD, stop turning @Waltzer (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907) on, you saucy little tease!
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2020, 12:51:07 AM
BD, stop turning @Waltzer (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1907) on, you saucy little tease!
Hard to argue with though isn't it when you put it down on paper!!?

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on November 30, 2020, 12:53:55 AM
Hard to argue with though isn't it when you put it down on paper!!?

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Yeah, kinda.

All joking aside, though, if everyone at the Club had their own, clearly defined roles, and there was some kind of joined up thinking, I’d feel more optimistic.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2020, 12:59:28 AM
Yeah, kinda.

All joking aside, though, if everyone at the Club had their own, clearly defined roles, and there was some kind of joined up thinking, I'd feel more optimistic.
And that's 99% of the issue, I actually like Brands but he's either really shit at his job or really not given the authority to do his job, so either way he's not needed.

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: sam of the south on November 30, 2020, 01:03:05 AM
And that's 99% of the issue, I actually like Brands but he's either really shit at his job or really not given the authority to do his job, so either way he's not needed.

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I agree with you, other than the fact he’s not needed.

I think a lot of the reorganising and restructuring he’s supposedly been doing was needed, and we need to be even more ordered going forward, and ran like an actual modern football club if we want to compete again.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: TheRam on November 30, 2020, 01:09:24 AM
We don’t need two centre halves.

He inherited a mess of a squad and we’re in a much better situation than when he first came in.

Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 30, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
So are we kinda saying that we need two new CBs, a new RB, a new keeper and probably a new DM to shore the defence up, and that Digne is the only player we're happy with, on our side of the halfway line?

Marcel Brands really doing a stellar job, 2 and a half years in.

Conceded most goals from open play. Now maybe our defenders aren’t the greatest but they are surely a lot better than that stat. Does an ancelotti Everton defend better than a Martinez or silva Everton?
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Lazarou on November 30, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
Conceded most goals from open play. Now maybe our defenders aren’t the greatest but they are surely a lot better than that stat. Does an ancelotti Everton defend better than a Martinez or silva Everton?

I would say our defending has slowly gotten worse under Ancelotti, we just look so open either when being countered attacked or put under sustained pressure, positional discipline has gone out the window. Look at Holgate in the first half when he gives the ball away near the opposition box, he should be nowhere near there especially against a team like Leeds.

Lunacy.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2020, 02:47:35 PM
I would say our defending has slowly gotten worse under Ancelotti, we just look so open either when being countered attacked or put under sustained pressure, positional discipline has gone out the window. Look at Holgate in the first half when he gives the ball away near the opposition box, he should be nowhere near there especially against a team like Leeds.

Lunacy.

I think our defending is poor, but the most concerning thing for me is when Holgate came out after and said we didnt really follow the managers instructions. This isnt the first time we've heard this, but I think it goes back to leadership on the pitch, or lack of it. It pains me to say but you look at the Liverpool v Brighton game, Liverpool were getting overran, Henderson comes on at half time and transforms it, yes they only drew, but we havent got anyone like Henderson with that presence and leadership
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: kerryblue boy on November 30, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Ben will be sound good athlete and strong on the ball I wouldn’t be writing him off yet we lost on Saturday but some of the reactions on here after were brutal our defending is poor but constant changing of personal doesn’t help play Keane and Mina against Burnley with holgate right back and delph on the other side
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: dazfrancis on November 30, 2020, 04:18:54 PM
On appearenaces for everton so far Branthwaite looks more comfortable at centre half.

Possibly a product on Godfrey being played in different positions throughout his career
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 30, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
I do think he would be better as 1 of 2 centre backs in a back 4 rather than as one of a 3. Long term I would imagine we are going to be playing with a back 4

Strangely is our best centre back this season Lucas Digne?God i miss him

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Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: YankeeBlue214 on November 30, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
...Holgate came out after and said we didnt really follow the managers instructions.

Yes that would be a rather large problem.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: tipping1! on November 30, 2020, 10:18:39 PM
I love Ben Godrey think he is a great player. He allows us to be flexible with the formation giving us a option of 3 at the back. We now have 4 quality centre backs now, something we haven't had for a number of years now. Something I like about Godfrey is his pace, I watched a recent interview with DCL and he said Godfrey was one of the fastest players in the squad.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on December 01, 2020, 04:52:01 AM
On appearenaces for everton so far Branthwaite looks more comfortable at centre half.

Possibly a product on Godfrey being played in different positions throughout his career

What I like about Branthwaite is that he does the simple things well and seems more relaxed. Not the same with Godfrey. I guess some people here are carried away because of his price tag set by Norwich.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Jamokachi on December 01, 2020, 07:20:14 AM
What I like about Branthwaite is that he does the simple things well and seems more relaxed. Not the same with Godfrey. I guess some people here are carried away because of his price tag set by Norwich.

Behave yourself, you've seen about 10 minutes of each.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Toddacelli on December 01, 2020, 12:17:41 PM
Behave yourself, you've seen about 10 minutes of each.

I agree with @Undisputed_blue (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7170) here.

Branthwaite was surprisingly composed and collected for a lad his age and people do seem to have some skewed expectations of how good Godfrey should be.

And yes it's based on the very little that we've seen of them so far but those opinions, like the players, will develop with more game time.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: dazfrancis on December 01, 2020, 04:59:04 PM
I'm firmly of the opinion if you play well, you deserve a chance to play the next game.

It's an oversimplification of course, and it's more complicated on the other side, i.e. If you play bad you shouldn't necessarily be dropped as that doesn't allow players to develop.

But Branthwaite has mostly played very well when he's been in the team where as Godfrey hasn't settled yet, despite having more Premier league experience.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: Undisputed_blue on December 01, 2020, 06:13:19 PM
Both Branthwaite and Godfrey are rapid players. So I look forward to the time when they're paired together and we can play a higher line.
Title: Re: Ben Godfrey
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on December 02, 2020, 05:32:50 PM
I think our defending is poor, but the most concerning thing for me is when Holgate came out after and said we didnt really follow the managers instructions. This isnt the first time we've heard this, but I think it goes back to leadership on the pitch, or lack of it. It pains me to say but you look at the Liverpool v Brighton game, Liverpool were getting overran, Henderson comes on at half time and transforms it, yes they only drew, but we havent got anyone like Henderson with that presence and leadership

Agree with this, I'm looking around when things collapse defensively and we don't have a presence in there who plays on the front and leads by example. Coleman is capable but not consistent and I always feel like it needs to either be a CB or CM.

Outside of one performance from Mina this season, we've not had a single defender be that hero at the back who flys around dominating the box, making those big tackles while (as cheesy as this sounds) inspiring the other players around them to do the same.

I miss Jags, because although he was a limited player in so many ways, he did that part of the game better than any of our current lot who only look good when we're on top.