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Title: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
Could this be the summer when we go mad and spend 100+ million on new players, possibly a lot more than that if Lukaku and Barkley go. Koeman has stated it will take 3 transfer windows before he is happy with "his squad", well this is the 3rd one, I'm a tad excited just thinking about it

One thing is for sure, an obscene amount of money will be spent by the bigger boys this summer
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 12, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
Having no knowledge of the subject whatsoever, has Financial Fair Play just gone out the window?

Seems everyone suddenly has hundreds of millions that they're supposedly going to spunk over the summer
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on May 12, 2017, 03:16:37 PM
I think, as ever, it all depends on whether we can convince big/expensive players to come to us, but I'm very sure that the money and the will is there to spend a lot this summer.

I also think that some big wages and transfer fees will be offered and some of our fans might baulk at the amounts (similar to when Bolasie came) but that inflation and excessiveness might be the only strategy available to convince certain players to pick us over others. Put more simply, we might have to put the idea of value for money on the backburner for the summer.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 12, 2017, 03:19:51 PM
Having no knowledge of the subject whatsoever, has Financial Fair Play just gone out the window?

Seems everyone suddenly has hundreds of millions that they're supposedly going to spunk over the summer

I have a feeling that a £25m player on a 5 year contract worth £100k a week would not take £25m off of your budget; rather it would be how much they are costing you in that financial year, so £10m would be nearer the mark.

I hope this is right, anyway 😁
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on May 12, 2017, 03:20:22 PM
I will be suprised if we don't spend over £100m this summer given the noises coming out of the club, even if we don't sell Barkley and Lukaku.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Faceatthefence on May 12, 2017, 03:22:07 PM
We will probably  have to go mad with the budget to replace rom,which will be a task in itself.Getting top european strikers to come here will be difficult,one name that would fit the bill if not already mentioned is Bas Dost.Had a brilliant first season at sporting but he as a buyout clause of a cool 60 million.But if you want to compete thats the kind of dough youve got to spend.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 12, 2017, 03:25:33 PM
We could really do with making a statement signing this summer
I think we will throw big money at a centre back

I just hope we've got lots of targets lined up because it seems as though all the top players have plenty of suitors and we will find it hard to win the race for the signature of any player who has interest from Champions League clubs as well

Business really does need to be done early as well and I would think a good 5/6 players need to come in, and that's without taking potential departures into account
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 12, 2017, 03:29:07 PM
I am just hoping our business is done by the end of July
Maybe a little dalliance on deadline today to make it exciting but main business all done and dusted

Not arsed how much we spend, just improve the squad
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
Its inevitable that we will be linked with every Tom Dick and Harry available, was the summer last summer, hoping we don't have another Witsel saga to be honest. Its different this year though, we're comfortably the 7th best team in the league (not great but better than 11th!) and now have European football next season, so are more attractive to any potential new players. Get the deals done as early as possible
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 03:33:05 PM
Having no knowledge of the subject whatsoever, has Financial Fair Play just gone out the window?

Seems everyone suddenly has hundreds of millions that they're supposedly going to spunk over the summer

revenue has gone fucking berserk all over the shop for all clubs.
TV revenue, sponsorships, outgoing transfers. Majority of Premier league clubs could spend close to £100m without falling foul of FFP to be fair.

You also get a warning on your first offence (based on previous examples). I'd probably keep my powder dry with that though. Use that ace in the hole if we creep into the top 4.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on May 12, 2017, 03:38:12 PM
I am just hoping our business is done by the end of July
Maybe a little dalliance on deadline today to make it exciting but main business all done and dusted

Not arsed how much we spend, just improve the squad

You're getting a like for the use of 'dalliance'. Underused word in my eyes.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
Might be a window where we go for bigger clubs cast offs, as the expensive next big things will all be on the big boys radars so they'll need to trim their squads.

Which I'm quite happy about as more Schneidelin type signings will bring us up a level without being a high risk addition.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Django on May 12, 2017, 04:09:51 PM
I think we’re in a much better position than we were last season and I’m not talking a shift in league places.

We’ve had our boss in place for a year now. Players can see what they’re coming into now, as well as us having some form of European football. I also think the media are putting us across as a club on the up more than in previous seasons, how much affect this has on players and agents remains to be seen but it can only be better.

We’ve got an owner that isn’t afraid to spend and invest, with a new ground on the way.

I’d hope that Koeman has put enough pressure on the board now that we will get the players we want. The likes of Klaasen and Sandro should be attainable.

However I do think it will be more of the same when it comes to buying either big name players or players that other teams want. We’re still not on a level to compete with teams offering CL.

Hopefully now we’re beyond the Marco Arnautovic’s of this world using us as a ploy to get a better deal from Stoke City, that’s progress fellas.


Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: pjk on May 12, 2017, 04:09:58 PM
Yep. Deffo a like for dalliance. ;D
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 12, 2017, 04:37:50 PM
With the already confirmed or likely departures of Cleverley, Deulofeu, McGeady, Niasse, McCarthy and the forgotten Tarashaj, the new USM deal, the improved shirt sponsorship deals then a total spend of £100m you wouldn't think would be out of the question.  Add in the potential/likely sales of Lukaku and Ross to that pot and @Simon Paul (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) will have to look at upgrading the site server with how busy it could be in here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Makis on May 12, 2017, 05:25:41 PM
I think a lot people will be disappointed come September because just because the club has money doesn't mean they can buy anyone. Every team that finishes above us will be a better prospect and can pay higher wages. But because every agent knows we are desperately looking for players their clients will ask for very high salaries. If there is a really good player available for less than 30 million, there will be at least ten Champions League clubs after him. In the PL alone at least two clubs above us wants to sign players to any position. GK: both ManC and the RS defo want, possibly ManU if De Gea leaves. CB: pretty much every team above us. Midfield and attack likewise.

So realistically our best chance is with players CL clubs don't want. And prices for those will be high too.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 05:27:17 PM
I think a lot people will be disappointed come September because just because the club has money doesn't mean they can buy anyone. Every team that finishes above us will be a better prospect and can pay higher wages. But because every agent knows we are desperately looking for players their clients will ask for very high salaries. If there is a really good player available for less than 30 million, there will be at least ten Champions League clubs after him. In the PL alone at least two clubs above us wants to sign players to any position. GK: both ManC and the RS defo want, possibly ManU if De Gea leaves. CB: pretty much every team above us. Midfield and attack likewise.

So realistically our best chance is with players CL clubs don't want. And prices for those will be high too.

We just have to hope there are more than 10 boss players in any position we need reinforcing then haha
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: montanatoffeefan on May 12, 2017, 05:33:10 PM
Its inevitable that we will be linked with every Tom Dick and Harry available, was the summer last summer...

Tom Dick already said he'd be going to The Shite.

'Arry is unlikely to make it out of Birmingham, much as he likes pretending he has much choice.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 12, 2017, 05:33:16 PM
I think a lot people will be disappointed come September because just because the club has money doesn't mean they can buy anyone. Every team that finishes above us will be a better prospect and can pay higher wages. But because every agent knows we are desperately looking for players their clients will ask for very high salaries. If there is a really good player available for less than 30 million, there will be at least ten Champions League clubs after him. In the PL alone at least two clubs above us wants to sign players to any position. GK: both ManC and the RS defo want, possibly ManU if De Gea leaves. CB: pretty much every team above us. Midfield and attack likewise.

So realistically our best chance is with players CL clubs don't want. And prices for those will be high too.
As long as people have realistic expectations and the squad is improved they will be fine
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 12, 2017, 05:59:19 PM
The echo keeping me grounded with links of Anthony K-Nockaert (make sure you pronounce the K at the start) and Juraj Kucka, a 30 year old midfielder at Milan who has managed to score 3 goals and make 2 assists in 31 games this season

Woah slow down with those stats there Juraj!

I suppose for every Lacazette and Van Dijk we sign this summer we are gonna need some squad players too
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Makis on May 12, 2017, 05:59:30 PM
We just have to hope there are more than 10 boss players in any position we need reinforcing then haha
What I mean that some people still expect VVD while even Keane might go to one of those teams so we could end up with someone like Maguire. Decent, but plenty have already called him shite.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 06:10:38 PM
What I mean that some people still expect VVD while even Keane might go to one of those teams so we could end up with someone like Maguire. Decent, but plenty have already called him shite.

yeah.

Although, there isn't a player on the planet we could sign without someone in here calling him shite haha
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 12, 2017, 06:17:39 PM
I would love for us to spend 200 million, but as long as our team is a lot stronger come September I am not too fussed how much it cost.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lincs Toffee on May 12, 2017, 06:26:16 PM
With the already confirmed or likely departures of Cleverley, Deulofeu, McGeady, Niasse, McCarthy and the forgotten Tarashaj, the new USM deal, the improved shirt sponsorship deals then a total spend of £100m you wouldn't think would be out of the question.  Add in the potential/likely sales of Lukaku and Rom to that pot and @Simon Paul (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) will have to look at upgrading the site server with how busy it could be in here.

Do we have a cloning machine then :snigger:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2017, 06:30:03 PM
The echo keeping me grounded with links of Anthony K-Nockaert (make sure you pronounce the K at the start) and Juraj Kucka, a 30 year old midfielder at Milan who has managed to score 3 goals and make 2 assists in 31 games this season

Woah slow down with those stats there Juraj!

I suppose for every Lacazette and Van Dijk we sign this summer we are gonna need some squad players too

Gotta love the echo's "who Everton should buy" stories, then pics of journeymen over 30

The shites on the other hand, all world class players
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on May 12, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
Just read through this thread and saw these names;

VDD
Keane
Klasson
Sandro


If those four came in and we kept Lukaku, that would be one hell of a transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 12, 2017, 08:09:56 PM
Do we have a cloning machine then :snigger:


It took me 5 attempts at reading back what I'd wrote to spot the mistake!  I was looking thinking I'd put McGeady down twice or something.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 13, 2017, 01:03:16 AM
Summer is when you do the major surgery and first window started decisive enough. We had Stones sale to negotiate and concluded business pretty swiftly after it. We end up running out of options, but it can happen.

This window we've arguably got Lukaku and/or  Barkley to sell before we know how much we have to spend. Plus we could be looking to move some others on, which will free up places and wages in squad.

With Europa qualifying, we will need to get our plans well under way, but you'd hope that Walsh, Koeman and Moshiri have a much better collective understanding a year on and with plenty of time to discuss and identify players in and out.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on May 13, 2017, 02:53:28 PM
Any advances on £200m?!  I feel a sweepstake coming on
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: toffee_scot on May 13, 2017, 05:28:34 PM
This will definitely be a very interesting transfer window and I expect a lot of twists and turns right up until the very end.

We will have a lot more money to spend through the Sky/BT TV deals plus new sponsorship from USM for Finch Farm, Sportpesa and in general it seems we are going in the right direction commercially.

We should be in a relatively better position to attract players to Everton this summer. We are one of the top 7 clubs again although it will still be difficult to bring in great players if Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs etc. are also very interested.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 13, 2017, 05:46:26 PM
In all honesty i'd don't care who makes up the 11 plus subs on the day be it with or without Barkley and Lukaku, I want us to finally bring home some long overdue silverware back to Goodison Park.League cup or FA cup.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: charlatan on May 13, 2017, 05:47:06 PM
Got to have our main targets in by mid July at the latest, then use the deadline for any squad padding we may need.  Would love us to get our stuff done ready for the start of pre-season for bonding etc
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mac934 on May 13, 2017, 09:00:13 PM
Is Aguero out of our reach if Lukaku leaves? His days look numbered at City.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on May 13, 2017, 09:03:38 PM
Is Aguero out of our reach if Lukaku leaves? His days look numbered at City.

Yes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on May 13, 2017, 10:38:45 PM
In all honesty i'd don't care who makes up the 11 plus subs on the day be it with or without Barkley and Lukaku, I want us to finally bring home some long overdue silverware back to Goodison Park.League cup or FA cup.

Rather have the EL!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 13, 2017, 10:55:49 PM
Is Aguero out of our reach if Lukaku leaves?

Yes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 13, 2017, 11:02:14 PM
Is Aguero out of our reach if Lukaku leaves? His days look numbered at City.

Can we really afford to risk 250k a week on someone with his injury record? Only chance we'd have is if everyone better than us were scared off for that very reason and if they are then we probably should be too
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Silas on May 13, 2017, 11:41:47 PM
We will spend huge imo. Keeping hold of at least one of Ross and Rom will make it a much smoother transition for next season. Expecting business done early with Europa on the horizon
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: smellybum on May 13, 2017, 11:58:14 PM
Honestly don't care how much we spend and if we make a profit or loss over the summer. All I really care about is this time next year we are better than we are now and actually having challenged for silverware and top 4, and had a good run at the Europa. If that happens then I would consider that a win. Job well done and set up for the future.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Frevski on May 14, 2017, 04:23:03 AM
I have hope for this window, none of this not wanting to pay wages for them for the whole summer that we had under BK.

Walsh has been in place long enough to clearly identify targets,  and understand what RK wants out of his team.

And we aren't going to have the distraction of trying to find out if RK will ever finish his holiday, which would have scared players off, as they wouldn't know who they were going to be working with.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: stirlingblue on May 14, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
Is Aguero out of our reach if Lukaku leaves? His days look numbered at City.

He'll go back to Athletico to replace Griezmann
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: chang on May 14, 2017, 04:23:32 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-agree-terms-with-sandro-600ppx9s2
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 14, 2017, 04:31:20 PM
Like most, I would be happy for most of the business to be done early on. Wouldn't like the Lukaku transfer to drag on till after our first game.

Any deadwood sales can go whenever they want really, they're probably not going to give Koeman a selection headache if they are still hanging around for the first game.

Keane would be a good signing, not a chance of signing VVD.
I'd be happy with Pickford too actually.

Then we need a new LB, 2 strikers, a quality number 10, 1 wide attacking forward (or 2 if we sell Deulofeu).
Not sure about a new RB as I think Jonjo Kenny is more than ready to step up.

Considering how much we will get for Lukaku and the rest, we probably won't have a massive net spend either.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: pjk on May 14, 2017, 04:33:15 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/everton-agree-terms-with-sandro-600ppx9s2



We're going to need a Times bod with access, to copy and paste it. I don't have a subscription. I wonder If Deulefeu will have had some influence on this lads future destination. He must know him quite well. Oh! and BTW. Is he a nigerian 21? :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on May 14, 2017, 04:36:52 PM


We're going to need a Times bod with access, to copy and paste it. I don't have a subscription. I wonder If Deulefeu will have had some influence on this lads future destination. He must know him quite well. Oh! and BTW. Is he a nigerian 21? :)
.............not a Times subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions)r but registered so I get 2 articles a week.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/everton-agree-terms-with-sandro-600ppx9s2
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Silas on May 14, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
5 million it's an absolute no brainer isn't It?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: chang on May 14, 2017, 04:39:42 PM


We're going to need a Times bod with access, to copy and paste it. I don't have a subscription. I wonder If Deulefeu will have had some influence on this lads future destination. He must know him quite well. Oh! and BTW. Is he a nigerian 21? :)

Everton have agreed personal terms with Malaga striker Sandro as part of Ronald Koeman’s restructuring of the Merseyside’s club squad. The Spain under-21 international has a £5m release clause in his contract with the Liga side, who he joined on a free transfer from Barcelona last July.

Atletico Madrid and Sevilla are also interested in the 21-year-old, but Sandro has rejected a contract offer from Sevilla and informed Everton that he wants to move to the Premier League. A product of Barcelona’s academy system, Sandro scored seven goals in 32 first-team appearances for the Catalan club.

His first campaign at Malaga has seen the 1m75 centre forward establish himself as one of Spain’s leading marksman, delivering 14 goals from 26 starts for the mid-table club. The relatively low value of Sandro’s buy-out is a product of Barcelona’s failure to activate a clause that would have allowed them to retain the forward for a further year last May.

Everton’s leading goalscorer Romelu Lukaku is wanted by Chelsea as a replacement for Diego Costa, who is in dispute with the newly crowned Premier League champions over their failure to offer an improved contract. Although Lukaku has informed Koeman that his wish is to move to another club this summer, Everton are posturing over the Belgian’s transfer fee, indicating that only a domestic record figure would be acceptable to them.

Everton may also be forced to sell Ross Barkley with Koeman imposing a public deadline of next week for the Englishman to accept the club’s offer of an improved contract. “I spoke to the player, I can’t do more,” said Koeman. “He needs to decide what his future is - in Everton or away from Everton.


“The reason why it takes so long is maybe that the player will doubt about his future and everybody has the own ambition to play Champions League football. All the players of Everton, including the manager, would like to continue into making the next step. And what we did this season to make it be better the next. He can be part of that, if he doesn’t like to part of that - then okay.”
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: bluenose27 on May 14, 2017, 04:42:36 PM
We will spend huge imo. Keeping hold of at least one of Ross and Rom will make it a much smoother transition for next season. Expecting business done early with Europa on the horizon
Agree we need to keep at least one of these as rightly or wrongly they are perceived to be our 2 top players. If we lost both it would send out the wrong message about us as a club and make it even harder to attract players.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on May 14, 2017, 06:50:47 PM
Wondering if there's anyone from Hull we could go for, now that they appear to be getting relegated. Maybe Robertson as competition for Baines? Oh just looked, and it appears Liverpool have agreed terms. He's shite, never rated him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mac934 on May 14, 2017, 06:58:52 PM
Thought maybe McGuire, but not so sure now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 14, 2017, 07:04:13 PM
Wondering if there's anyone from Hull we could go for, now that they appear to be getting relegated. Maybe Robertson as competition for Baines? Oh just looked, and it appears Liverpool have agreed terms. He's shite, never rated him.

Says in the mirror that Robertson is going to the shite. Says it's been agreed for when the window opens. I don't know if that means it's official and common knowledge but the piece was certainly written as if it had been announced
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 14, 2017, 07:04:57 PM
Wondering if there's anyone from Hull we could go for, now that they appear to be getting relegated. Maybe Robertson as competition for Baines? Oh just looked, and it appears Liverpool have agreed terms. He's shite, never rated him.

Teach me not to read the whole post before commenting
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 14, 2017, 07:25:02 PM
Wondering if there's anyone from Hull we could go for, now that they appear to be getting relegated. Maybe Robertson as competition for Baines? Oh just looked, and it appears Liverpool have agreed terms. He's shite, never rated him.

He's looked poor defensively when i've seen him.  Would much rather the young lad from Leicester who is the most Leighton Baines looking player since Leighton Baines.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on May 14, 2017, 08:05:02 PM
I've said it before, but I've never been bothered about boring people so - it's not so much about what we can spend as it is about what we can attract. If we got £200M for Lukaku from China - would one of Europe's top strikers want to come to Everton, even on silly money?

I doubt it. They're all on silly money already and it would be a massive step-down in terms of European football aspirations.

Regardless of spend, each window we need progress, improvement, better players and all that needs to translate to performances on the pitch. No amount of money is going to make Messi come next season.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2017, 03:37:05 PM
Like most, I would be happy for most of the business to be done early on. Wouldn't like the Lukaku transfer to drag on till after our first game.

Any deadwood sales can go whenever they want really, they're probably not going to give Koeman a selection headache if they are still hanging around for the first game.

Keane would be a good signing, not a chance of signing VVD.
I'd be happy with Pickford too actually.

Then we need a new LB, 2 strikers, a quality number 10, 1 wide attacking forward (or 2 if we sell Deulofeu).
Not sure about a new RB as I think Jonjo Kenny is more than ready to step up.

Considering how much we will get for Lukaku and the rest, we probably won't have a massive net spend either.

Which would cause an absolute meltdown of historic proportions.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2017, 03:58:12 PM
I've said it before, but I've never been bothered about boring people so - it's not so much about what we can spend as it is about what we can attract. If we got £200M for Lukaku from China - would one of Europe's top strikers want to come to Everton, even on silly money?

I doubt it. They're all on silly money already and it would be a massive step-down in terms of European football aspirations.

Regardless of spend, each window we need progress, improvement, better players and all that needs to translate to performances on the pitch. No amount of money is going to make Messi come next season.

True. To build in this league is a step by step process. Every year the big teams spend big money and pull themselves away from the rest of the pack a little more so to expect us to make significant inroads in one window to jump two steps forward and then get into the top 4 mix is too optimistic.
As long as there is a clear progression in our squad that's about all we can expect window on window, regardless of net spend (although there is obviously a clear correlation in spending more usually equating to increased progress).
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on May 15, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Here is a little run down from our good ITK friend the ESK on how FFP effects our spending this year.

http://www.theblueroomefc.com/2017/05/esk-ffp-mean-evertons-transfer-strategy/#

Still dont have a clue what it all means tbh, but I dont think we can just go balls out like Chelsea and City did in previous years.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 15, 2017, 04:47:07 PM
Here is a little run down from our good ITK friend the ESK on how FFP effects our spending this year.

http://www.theblueroomefc.com/2017/05/esk-ffp-mean-evertons-transfer-strategy/#

Still dont have a clue what it all means tbh, but I dont think we can just go balls out like Chelsea and City did in previous years.

Gives some ballpark figures as to what we could increase our total wage bull to (obviously varies greatly depending on departures).

Doesn't really go into any detail as to what we could spend on transfer fees without bumping into FIFA accountants though.
(Although, seems to suggest that because we broke even this year, we can spend what we like for the next 2.)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2017, 04:47:26 PM
Here is a little run down from our good ITK friend the ESK on how FFP effects our spending this year.

http://www.theblueroomefc.com/2017/05/esk-ffp-mean-evertons-transfer-strategy/#

Still dont have a clue what it all means tbh, but I dont think we can just go balls out like Chelsea and City did in previous years.

He's just a very committed fan with a lot of time on his hands and has crafted a social media persona to massage an ego. He's no more ITK than me or you who read the gossip columns but it's a nice article though.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on May 15, 2017, 04:48:03 PM
Gives some ballpark figures as to what we could increase our total wage bull to (obviously varies greatly depending on departures).

Doesn't really go into any detail as to what we could spend on transfer fees without bumping into FIFA accountants though.
(Although, seems to suggest that because we broke even this year, we can spend what we like for the next 2.)

The conclusion at the end seems to suggest we can spend quite a fair amount.

However, a lot of it will be next season or indeed year after the roll over of the Stones sale.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on May 15, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
He's just a very committed fan with a lot of time on his hands and has crafted a social media persona to massage an ego. He's no more ITK than me or you who read the gossip columns but it's a nice article though.

Yep, I was being sarcy with the ITK stuff, he knows fuck all, thoroughly enjoyed him having egg on his face after last summers exploits.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on May 15, 2017, 04:48:58 PM
Zabaleta on a free for 2 years is a no brainer in Colemans absence, -surely?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2017, 04:51:23 PM
Yep, I was being sarcy with the ITK stuff, he knows fuck all, thoroughly enjoyed him having egg on his face after last summers exploits.

He still likes to think he's got the inside track though, even after having his arse handed to him last year. He needs to get a life.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: cantoffee on May 15, 2017, 06:37:46 PM
Zabaleta on a free for 2 years is a no brainer in Colemans absence, -surely?
Would love him here but not sure he'd leave City to play second fiddle to someone else.

I think he can find a good club that will take him and have him start quite a bit.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Hawkandro on May 15, 2017, 06:42:18 PM
Would rather give Kenny the first half of next season until Coleman is fit, and have them fight it out for the position.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on May 15, 2017, 06:53:59 PM
Zabaleta ticks all the boxes, doesnt he.

Trouble is, any RB that comes in will have Coleman at the back of their mind
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2017, 06:56:37 PM
Most right backs can't hold a candle to Coleman when he's fit and firing so they know they'd be coming in to step aside eventually.
It's a shame Holgate hasn't worked out after his impressive first game in that position. Kenny will have to seriously impress in the U-20 tournament and in pre season to get the nod though.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on May 15, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
Zabaleta is well shite now, watched him a few times and his legs have gone, says it all when navas and fernandinho were played there at times this season, a big fat no from me
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on May 15, 2017, 07:45:05 PM
Zabaleta is well shite now, watched him a few times and his legs have gone, says it all when navas and fernandinho were played there at times this season, a big fat no from me

Zabaleta is certainly in the 'used to be a very good right back category' now, along with Ivanovic who we were linked with in January.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on May 15, 2017, 08:17:13 PM
Old fullbacks are rarely a good idea, especially given the demands of the modern game. I wouldn't touch Zabaleta now, however good he was in his prime.

Right back is an interesting spot for us this summer because we need better than Holgate/Kenny but without making a significant investment. I have this horrible, unshakable feeling that we're going to add Cuco Martina, which would be a low-key disaster. He'd be cheap, but Martina is hardly better than the aforementioned players and he's as good as he's going to get. Kenny and Holgate, on the other hand, will improve with game time. It's probably just paranoid speculation on my part but I see this guy linked with us once a month and it drives me crazy. We should be doing better than signing dross from the manager's previous club.

Hopefully Walsh finds someone better because we'll need the extra quality there.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2017, 08:29:42 PM
The days of scrimping on full backs so you can spend money on higher priority areas, or thinking you can get away with one weak link hoping you can ride it out are long gone. As evidenced by watching how Spurs play or seeing how we look without Coleman.

I wouldn't have any problem in us signing a good up and coming full back to hit the ground running and maybe even challenge Coleman for his place in the team.
If we get off to a poor start in the league, bomb the Europa league qualifier or go out of the league cup early, all while Coleman is out and we're muddling through with a combination of Kenny/Holgate/Davies, then it's going to look a silly decision. As unless we buy a quality player who can play wide right we're going to look very one sided or worse still too narrow and therefore easy to play against.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: everton1952 on May 15, 2017, 09:00:49 PM
Someone earlier wondered about taking someone from Hull, presumably a defender?  What a great idea to take a player from the worst defence in the premiership. Why oh why do we have to dredge up the crap from relegated teams? Surely our sights are set higher? I want nobody from Hull or Sunderland  or Middlesborough.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 15, 2017, 09:07:04 PM
West Ham want Zabaleta, and will offer him ridiculous money, he's still decent but there are better younger options out there
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on May 15, 2017, 09:30:22 PM
Zabaleta is well shite now, watched him a few times and his legs have gone, says it all when navas and fernandinho were played there at times this season, a big fat no from me

I agree. Pep has done everything he can to not play him there and moved into midfield over playing him at full back. He has had the odd good game but most of the time looked on the slide. Given coleman should be back and fit early 2018 it wouldnt be the end of the world however the wages he would command would be massive so not worth it for me would rather put those wages to other areas.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 15, 2017, 09:31:56 PM
Someone earlier wondered about taking someone from Hull, presumably a defender?  What a great idea to take a player from the worst defence in the premiership. Why oh why do we have to dredge up the crap from relegated teams? Surely our sights are set higher? I want nobody from Hull or Sunderland  or Middlesborough.

Gana worked out alright
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 15, 2017, 09:35:13 PM
Someone earlier wondered about taking someone from Hull, presumably a defender?  What a great idea to take a player from the worst defence in the premiership. Why oh why do we have to dredge up the crap from relegated teams? Surely our sights are set higher? I want nobody from Hull or Sunderland  or Middlesborough.
Yeah fuck us for signing Jagielka.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Major Clanger on May 15, 2017, 09:36:56 PM
Gana worked out alright

That Jagielka lad was shite though.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 15, 2017, 10:06:35 PM
Koeman in 6 months at Valencia, took them from 4 points off top to 2 points off relegation. Gave them their worse defeat in 25 years and their worst season in their history, but he was sacked with 5 games to go, so thankfully wasn't relegated.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 15, 2017, 10:13:01 PM
Koeman in 6 months at Valencia, took them from 4 points off top to 2 points off relegation. Gave them their worse defeat in 25 years and their worst season in their history, but he was sacked with 5 games to go, so thankfully wasn't relegated.

What's your point?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 15, 2017, 10:22:27 PM
What a bizarre, completely irrelevant post.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 15, 2017, 10:34:54 PM
What's your point?

That a bad result, doesn't neccessarily mean there is no worth.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on May 15, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Talking of Zabaleta, I'd actually take Clichy on a free as a squad player this year. Baines offers very little these days, and I'm not sure spending £20 million plus on a left back is a priority.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 15, 2017, 11:17:38 PM
What a bizarre, completely irrelevant post.

Irony
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: MmmblueBernard on May 16, 2017, 12:16:05 AM
Zabletta is only good for the knackers yard. Or West Ham/ Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on May 16, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
Talking of Zabaleta, I'd actually take Clichy on a free as a squad player this year. Baines offers very little these days, and I'm not sure spending £20 million plus on a left back is a priority.

Baines is still way above Clichy. And Clichy will probably be on double Baines wage. We shouldnt be bringing in squad players at full back who are near the end of their careers on 150k+ wages (not starting a Rooney debate here!). One of City's big problems is the lack of energy they have now from their full backs compared to what they used to get from them. Clichy 32 in a couple of months, Sagna 34, Kolarov 31, Zabaleta 32.

Baines is still quality but doesnt have the same constant speed and energy up and down all game he used to but is still really good at a lot of areas of the game and still a good left back so if we are getting a new left back it should be someone who can challenge Baines and have the potential to be the long term left back after him. Or someone who doesnt cost a huge amount but is decent to fill out the squad while we strengthen in other areas for now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 16, 2017, 01:03:59 AM
City's full backs are all shite.  They were on the decline when they went to City and have just gotten worse.  And they'll all be on stupid money.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on May 16, 2017, 01:18:01 AM
Citys downfall a lot of the time is their full backs, Clichy & Zabaleta are finished probably end up at newcastle or west ham, because theyll pay daft wages to finished players

One id maybe consider is Gibbs from Arsenal- but not even totally sure hes good enough/close to baines's level, think his injury record might not be the best either, just know we can get him cheap this summer with that Schalke LB going to arsenal.

Isnt that Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham meant to be really good? LB isnt he? 16/17?

Luke Shaw?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on May 16, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
Clichy is 32 already. It's funny how some players seem to have been around forever, while others seem to zip through their careers. I didn't realise Clichy had been around so long.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 16, 2017, 01:25:27 AM
Zabletta is only good for the knackers yard. Or West Ham/ Newcastle.

Harsh on the knackers yard.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on May 16, 2017, 04:57:14 AM

Isnt that Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham meant to be really good? LB isnt he? 16/17?


I would expect this type of signing - someone who will get some game time and grow into the role over the next couple of years as Baines declines. Having said that, despite all his talent, the Sessegnon lad is VERY young to be a starting LB in the PL even 2-3 years from now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 16, 2017, 05:03:26 AM
I would expect this type of signing - someone who will get some game time and grow into the role over the next couple of years as Baines declines. Having said that, despite all his talent, the Sessegnon lad is VERY young to be a starting LB in the PL even 2-3 years from now.

Looks like Garbutt's not gonna get a look in. Showed a lot of promise but now seems the nowhere man. Similar to Galloway but he was more left sided CB
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on May 16, 2017, 05:07:32 AM
Yeah Sessegnon would be competing with Kenny. Not great idea.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 16, 2017, 06:04:30 AM
Ryan Sessegnon may be 16, but been hugely impressed when I've seen him. Still a long way to go before he's old enough to start judging his career trajectory with any real certainty, but if he looked out of place, it was in a good way. If his twin is anywhere near his level, then he'd be worth taking on if the opportunity was there.

Wing backs are all the rage rather than full backs now, high wide wingers are very much off trend.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on May 16, 2017, 02:39:42 PM
I would expect this type of signing - someone who will get some game time and grow into the role over the next couple of years as Baines declines. Having said that, despite all his talent, the Sessegnon lad is VERY young to be a starting LB in the PL even 2-3 years from now.

He is playing left wing for Fulham most of the time so I don't think it is likely wherever he goes he will be playing left back straight away but who knows. However I think most of the top teams will want him so I think he would be a very difficult one to sign. I think he will go to city.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
With James Rodriguez now looking like he's signing for Man U is it worth going all out for Juan Mata? I know he might not play in the high intensity style Koeman likes but he's a class act and one of the very few who can pick the kind of passes we've been lacking for the past few years.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on May 16, 2017, 07:45:35 PM
With James Rodriguez now looking like he's signing for Man U is it worth going all out for Juan Mata? I know he might not play in the high intensity style Koeman likes but he's a class act and one of the very few who can pick the kind of passes we've been lacking for the past few years.

Koeman gave him his debut.

Don't think he'd turn his nose up at him at all.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Hawkandro on May 16, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-city-transfer-gossip-iheanacho-13035694

We really should be all over him for £20m.

Nolito going for £3m too, and Donnarumma for £20m? Bargains.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
Is Iheanacho that good though? Can't say I've seen enough of him to judge
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 16, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
Is Iheanacho that good though? Can't say I've seen enough of him to judge
Lukaku haters will be made up with someone else to call lazy
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 16, 2017, 09:14:14 PM
Get the £20m for Iheanacho done, then chuck £40m at Donnasumma
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2017, 09:17:45 PM
Get the £20m for Iheanacho done, then chuck £40m at Donnasumma

If she plays as good as she sings then we're in for a real treat

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 16, 2017, 09:17:55 PM
Lukaku haters will be made up with someone else to call lazy

He probably has an ''attitude problem'' as well.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 16, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
Nolito is a cracking player. Exactly the type we need if we are going to continue to play wide forwards. Can't just keep playing what should be attacking central midfielders there
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: formerKHL on May 16, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
sell them lukaku .....we'll have aguero plus £60mill
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 16, 2017, 09:26:19 PM
Nolito is a cracking player. Exactly the type we need if we are going to continue to play wide forwards. Can't just keep playing what should be attacking central midfielders there

Wants to go back to Spain, his family have struggled to settle in England
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on May 16, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Iheanacho is that good. Well worth the investment for £20m.

He'll be near or at Lukaku's level with regular game time and good coaching.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on May 16, 2017, 09:36:26 PM
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-city-transfer-gossip-iheanacho-13035694

We really should be all over him for £20m.

Nolito going for £3m too, and Donnarumma for £20m? Bargains.

I'd be chuffed with Iheanacho, exactly what we should be going for. Young with room to improve and to an extent proven at the top level.

Never thought he'd even be available, so it never crossed my mind as an option.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Hawkandro on May 16, 2017, 10:01:24 PM
I genuinely hope we express an interest, though I can see the lure of Dortmund being too much to ignore.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on May 16, 2017, 10:12:02 PM
Is Iheanacho that good though? Can't say I've seen enough of him to judge

Not great for me at this point.

He looks a good finisher but he doesnt seem like a player that is capable of playing up front on his own. A few times i've watched him closely when he has started to see what he is like and he really does offer very little when he isnt around the box. It's the reason in my opinion why he only comes on late in games or when City need a goal. Pep started him in a few games when Aguero was out but there have been plenty of times he would rather play De Bruyne up there on his own over him. Big parts of the games went by without him being involved.

He's only started 5 games this season and come on 14 which considering they have only had him and Aguero for most of the season and Aguero has only started just over half the games this season himself says he struggles to play well from the start and have an impact outside of scoring.

Someone like him might be ok depending on who else we bought as a goalscoring option if we had the money to buy a few forwards, but not for replacing Lukaku. He is young and not played a huge amount of first team football so does have time to improve but my concern about him on his own is how hard it would be for the team to play with him if you dont have a team that keeps the ball very well.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 16, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
A load of his goals seemed to be coming off the bench to finish games off, although he can't be blamed for making the best of what few opportunities he's had.
The truth is no-one knows how good he is as he's never had the opportunity to show it consistently and £20m is the new standard fee for anyone young and half decent, so maybe worth a shot if Lukaku goes along with another more experienced striker.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 16, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Not great for me at this point.

He looks a good finisher but he doesnt seem like a player that is capable of playing up front on his own. A few times i've watched him closely when he has started to see what he is like and he really does offer very little when he isnt around the box.


Sounds very much like a young version of Lukaku then doesn't he?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 16, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
If you had the choice of us getting Iheanacho for £20m or Abraham for the same price, who would you prefer?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on May 16, 2017, 10:57:48 PM
Summer spending, having a blast.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 16, 2017, 11:02:46 PM
Summer spending, having a blast.



Summer spending, happened so fast (hopefully)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on May 16, 2017, 11:03:30 PM
Batshuayi should be on our shopping list if lukaku goes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on May 16, 2017, 11:22:21 PM
If you had the choice of us getting Iheanacho for £20m or Abraham for the same price, who would you prefer?

Tough question. They both look special.

(https://i1.wp.com/statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Tammy-Abraham-Championship-2016-17_jan6_radar.png?w=580)

(https://i1.wp.com/statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Kelechi-Iheanacho-Premier-League-2016-17_radarjan6.png?w=580)

Abraham played starter's minutes for Bristol City. His attacking output is roughly in line with Iheanacho's (expected goals per shot, expected goals per 90) when you consider the substitute boost Ihenacho gets. His creative output (open play key passes, expected assists per 90) isn't anywhere near Iheancho which makes sense when you consider the clubs they play for (Bristol City bad, City good). He's a little more careful with the ball than Iheanacho (dispossessed) but against weaker opposition.

Iheanacho played primarily as a substitute so his numbers are probably inflated from playing against tired defenses and the conversions to per 90. I'm not sure whether playing in such a strong side is a mark for or against him. He gets dispossessed somewhat frequently but that's not so surprising when you consider that he's put into a lot of situations where City desperately need a goal. Everything that he's done has been against PL defenses which bodes well for future success. Abraham played in a good league but only has a handful of top flight minutes to his name.

As far as young, talented penalty-box predators go, I don't think you can go wrong with either player. I'd be made up if we added one of these two. I think they're the closest we can get to replacing Lukaku (development required obviously; we can't sign someone as good as Rom is today because players like that just aren't available).
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 17, 2017, 12:42:00 AM
I fucking love your analysis Kramer0, top poster.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2017, 12:45:01 AM
Tough question. They both look special.

(https://i1.wp.com/statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Tammy-Abraham-Championship-2016-17_jan6_radar.png?w=580)

(https://i1.wp.com/statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Kelechi-Iheanacho-Premier-League-2016-17_radarjan6.png?w=580)

Abraham played starter's minutes for Bristol City. His attacking output is roughly in line with Iheanacho's (expected goals per shot, expected goals per 90) when you consider the substitute boost Ihenacho gets. His creative output (open play key passes, expected assists per 90) isn't anywhere near Iheancho which makes sense when you consider the clubs they play for (Bristol City bad, City good). He's a little more careful with the ball than Iheanacho (dispossessed) but against weaker opposition.

Iheanacho played primarily as a substitute so his numbers are probably inflated from playing against tired defenses and the conversions to per 90. I'm not sure whether playing in such a strong side is a mark for or against him. He gets dispossessed somewhat frequently but that's not so surprising when you consider that he's put into a lot of situations where City desperately need a goal. Everything that he's done has been against PL defenses which bodes well for future success. Abraham played in a good league but only has a handful of top flight minutes to his name.

As far as young, talented penalty-box predators go, I don't think you can go wrong with either player. I'd be made up if we added one of these two. I think they're the closest we can get to replacing Lukaku (development required obviously; we can't sign someone as good as Rom is today because players like that just aren't available).

Really think you should get blogging on these things. there is money to be made for you. lots of it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on May 17, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
Sounds very much like a young version of Lukaku then doesn't he?

The difference is Lukaku is a more natural physical presence and while he needed to, and still has room to improve, around being a top focal point for the team he has the physical ability to be a dominant forward and when he has games where he is on top form he is a world class all round forward and that was true when he was 19/20 as well.

Iheanacho may well only be a couple of inches smaller than rom but he isnt as an imposing figure. And the criticism I have sometimes with rom would be he doesnt make the most of situations when the ball goes into him as in should hold it better rather than attempt a quick lay off, or should win a free kick rather than try and hold up an impossible ball. With Iheanacho when watching him it was that he wasnt getting balls into him to lose, he wasnt giving good options for the midfield to play it to him he just wasnt involved which is crucial if you are the lone striker.

The other big difference is the type of goals they both score or have scored so far. We know rom this season especially, but over his career can score left foot, right foot, headers, goals from outside the box, free kicks. If he gets a chance on his left you dont think he will miss, if has a chance with his head you expect him to score 70% of the time say and if it was on his right it might go down to 50% but the reason he scores so consistently is it doesnt really matter how the chances to fall to him. With Iheanacho it's something like 90% of his goals have been with his left foot, only has 1 header and 1 right footed goal. I know rom is better than nearly everyone at spreading how he gets his goals and not everyone is strong on all but as a lone forward it's a big weakness if you need a chances to fall in one manner.

To add roms spread for his 84 PL goals are 41 left foot, 24 right foot and 18 headers.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on May 17, 2017, 12:53:11 AM
Keen for us to follow Atletico Madrid's example of spending big money on strikers, so I'd definitely take a punt on Iheanacho or Abraham if we could convince either of them to come.

They might be flawed or not the end product, but despite Moshiri's money we should always be trying to sign players to develop and sell for mega-money when the opportunity arises.

Developing a 20+ a season striker like that is probably our best route to mixing it with the big boys (See Vardy, Kane, all of Atletico Madrid's most recent). We should probably supplement it with whomever we can get that's more established too, like, obviously as Monaco, Atletico and Dortmund have all done to an extent over the last 10 years, by that's the model I'd go for.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 17, 2017, 01:02:56 AM
I'd love Abraham. He's going to be a great goal scorer. Might actually already be 1
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on May 17, 2017, 01:32:40 AM
I would look at Vardy too.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 17, 2017, 02:48:53 AM
The problem for me with Iheanacho, is he reminds me of Daniel Sturridge. He could develop from just a striker, but I can't see it coming myself, just looks a good finisher. That said, I'd still take him as a young player with potential to win games or finish chances. But he's not going to be able to cut the mustard up top as a lone front man.

Tammy Abraham isn't actually that good when I've seen him, he is talented, but didn't think he's that near being good enough to start in PL. Was probably expecting him to be a bit more rounded, still looked a handful and can see him becoming a very decent player, just needs more time.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 17, 2017, 02:07:34 PM
Wouldn't Iheanacho be a replacement for Valencia?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
Would anyone have Sturridge?

Ooooh controversial there
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Hawkandro on May 17, 2017, 02:22:05 PM
If he had a muscle transplant, maybe...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trublue on May 17, 2017, 02:37:21 PM
Would anyone have Sturridge?

Ooooh controversial there
No!!!! I do admit he's a good player. But think he has a bad attitude and one of those players that goes off for the slightest niggle of an injury.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2017, 04:43:10 PM
Would anyone have Sturridge?

Ooooh controversial there

Steptoe and Son?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 17, 2017, 04:45:25 PM
Is Iheanacho that good though? Can't say I've seen enough of him to judge

I remember @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) throwing a few stats up about him a few months back, he loved bloody amazing going off the stats. I haven't seen enough of him tbf.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: everton1952 on May 17, 2017, 04:46:14 PM
Anichibe is available on a free. I can see him terrorizing Moldova's 3rd club in the Europa.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 17, 2017, 04:53:51 PM
Anichibe is available on a free. I can see him terrorizing Moldova's 3rd club in the Europa.

Guaranteed there will be at least one shout who thinks he could still do a job for us as a squad filler and be better than Kone.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 17, 2017, 05:02:09 PM
Guaranteed there will be at least one shout who thinks he could still do a job for us as a squad filler and be better than Kone.

Probably already has been on GOT
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2017, 11:41:28 PM
There is a photo on GOT of Koeman meeting with a guy who looks a bit like William Jose at what could be the Hilton hotel
In Manchester
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on May 17, 2017, 11:50:49 PM
There is a photo on GOT of Koeman meeting with a guy who looks a bit like William Jose at what could be the Hilton hotel
In Manchester

The Lemos thread says it's Lemos. ???
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on May 17, 2017, 11:53:43 PM
Is this turning into a Summer Transfer Thread on the sly?

The cheek...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on May 17, 2017, 11:55:32 PM
Pics or it didn't happen
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on May 17, 2017, 11:56:31 PM
There is a photo on GOT of Koeman meeting with a guy who looks a bit like William Jose at what could be the Hilton hotel
In Manchester
.................looks like  Joe Andersen on Koemans left !
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 17, 2017, 11:59:40 PM
The Lemos thread says it's Lemos. ???

The close up looks more like Jose than Lemos
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 18, 2017, 12:00:52 AM
There is a photo on GOT of Koeman meeting with a guy who looks a bit like William Jose at what could be the Hilton hotel
In Manchester

Who is Wiliam Jose?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Makis on May 18, 2017, 12:02:57 AM
Who is Wiliam Jose?
Brazilian striker playing for Real Socieded. We've been linked with him for a while.

Except it's Willian Jose.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 18, 2017, 12:06:58 AM
One of the lids will be messaging Bassala Sambou asking if its him again soon.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 18, 2017, 12:07:51 AM
Brazilian striker playing for Real Socieded. We've been linked with him for a while.

Except it's Willian Jose.

William is his twin brother mate
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 18, 2017, 12:15:36 AM
The Lemos thread says it's Lemos. ???

Yeah, pretty sure Lemos was training in Gran Canaria today, from all accounts
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on May 18, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
Yeah, pretty sure Lemos was training in Gran Canaria today, from all accounts
was the picture taken today though?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 18, 2017, 12:47:46 AM
was the picture taken today though?


Very good point.
Can't even confirm if it is the Hilton or if it's deffo even koeman
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2017, 01:24:27 AM
Is this turning into a Summer Transfer Thread on the sly?

The cheek...

It was never my intention, honest

<lights a cigar> I love it when a plan comes together
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on May 18, 2017, 03:21:08 AM
Bilbao defender Alvarez is the player pictured?? CB?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 18, 2017, 04:03:12 AM
Bilbao defender Alvarez is the player pictured?? CB?

It's looks nothing like him though
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 18, 2017, 04:07:10 AM
Can we take it that the fact no one has any fucking idea who it is despite having two photos of him that:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2017, 02:22:16 PM
Will we smash our transfer record this summer, I reckon so
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on May 18, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
Interesting stats on Lukaku ,Pickford ,Maguire and Sigurdsson...........
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2017/may/17/premier-league-clubs-player-season-eden-hazard
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 18, 2017, 03:26:42 PM
Will we smash our transfer record this summer, I reckon so

Think it's nailed on, especially if Lukaku leaves. We'd need splash half of what we recoup on a top striker. I think if the top clubs overlook him Lacazette should be the target. With Abraham coming off the bench, or another decent young talent
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on May 18, 2017, 03:30:39 PM
Think it's nailed on, especially if Lukaku leaves. We'd need splash half of what we recoup on a top striker. I think if the top clubs overlook him Lacazette should be the target. With Abraham coming off the bench, or another decent young talent

Said he only wants to leave Lyon for a CL club.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 18, 2017, 03:30:59 PM
Ron's gonna have to be flexible with his holidays this year with all this transfer activity coming up, maybe that's why he's doing the rounds now before the season's ended. He strikes me as the kind of guy who could get a bit grumpy if his umpteen rounds of golf in the sun get interrupted by pesky work commitments.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 18, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
Said he only wants to leave Lyon for a CL club.

True, but if none of the big clubs come in for him (and I can't think of any that seem to be after him based on rumours) I think we've got a chance of convincing him that we are a step up from Lyon
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Said he only wants to leave Lyon for a CL club.

Wants to go to Atletico according to reports this morning
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 18, 2017, 03:37:09 PM
True, but if none of the big clubs come in for him (and I can't think of any that seem to be after him based on rumours) I think we've got a chance of convincing him that we are a step up from Lyon

They all trot out the same old line of CL football, but once reality kicks in and the top tier of CL clubs take a look and move on they're faced with reality and the pay on offer in the Premier League proves a decent trade off.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 18, 2017, 03:38:13 PM
Wants to go to Atletico according to reports this morning

Fair enough. I thought he'd be one that would slip under the radar of some of the teams above us but f they are after him it's a non starter
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 18, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
Fair enough. I thought he'd be one that would slip under the radar of some of the teams above us but f they are after him it's a non starter

Atletico have become a very good stepping stone for young hungry strikers haven't they, Aguero, Falcao ,Costa and Griezmann to name a few, you could see why any striker would want to sign for them
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 18, 2017, 03:46:19 PM
Atletico have become a very good stepping stone for young hungry strikers haven't they, Aguero, Falcao ,Costa and Griezmann to name a few, you could see why any striker would want to sign for them

Top manager, new stadium coming up, regular CL football. They've really upped their game this past decade to become a proper tier 1 club across Europe, on a par with anything we have over here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 18, 2017, 03:48:33 PM
Atletico have become a very good stepping stone for young hungry strikers haven't they, Aguero, Falcao ,Costa and Griezmann to name a few, you could see why any striker would want to sign for them

Yeah they've always been able to replace without a drop in quality. Dortmund and Athletico are a good model to follow in terms of aiming for the good young players. The trouble is, because their leagues are less competitive they'll have the extra incentive of champions league football. Think both clubs are aware that they are a sort of stepping stone club, like us unfortunately. They're just the best stepping stone clubs in the world
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on May 18, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Batshuayi
M Dembele
Perez
Josh King
Lacazette (unlikely)
Ihenacho
Benteke

should probably be looking at two of these if Lukaku goes

I think we could make Batshuayi & M Dembele as good as Lukaku eventually
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 18, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
Batshuayi
M Dembele
Perez
Josh King
Lacazette (unlikely)
Ihenacho
Benteke

should probably be looking at two of these if Lukaku goes

I think we could make Batshuayi & M Dembele as good as Lukaku eventually

Wouldn't touch either with a barge pole. 1 has a record in the championship and for Celtic (neither counts) and Chelsea had a good look at the other and he can barely get on the pitch as a sub (I know lukaku was the same but they obviously don't rate him) be gutted if we spent 60m plus on these 2 with zero track record
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on May 18, 2017, 10:06:29 PM
Wouldn't touch either with a barge pole. 1 has a record in the championship and for Celtic (neither counts) and Chelsea had a good look at the other and he can barely get on the pitch as a sub (I know lukaku was the same but they obviously don't rate him) be gutted if we spent 60m plus on these 2 with zero track record
Batshuayi was never starting games there- his shots-goals ratio is very good this season, scored in his last 4 games or something, really good player who we could make even better

Dembele is what 19? 30 odd goals in 40 odd games this season, inc 5 in the champions league, scored 17 in 40 for fulham last season, can only score against what he plays against, think hes got massive potential personally
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 12:00:15 AM
Batshuayi was never starting games there- his shots-goals ratio is very good this season, scored in his last 4 games or something, really good player who we could make even better

Dembele is what 19? 30 odd goals in 40 odd games this season, inc 5 in the champions league, scored 17 in 40 for fulham last season, can only score against what he plays against, think hes got massive potential personally

He's playing for what's a bottom 6 premier league side in a league 2 standard league. Scoring goals for Celtic really doesn't count. Well not unless you think it should be a double signing with Scott Sinclair. He's gone from a 1 in 10 goalscorer to a 2 in 3.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 12:08:37 AM
Dembele will cost something silly. He's worth a punt but nowhere near the price they'd want. He's a £10m player tops, at best.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Faceatthefence on May 19, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
There is a photo on GOT of Koeman meeting with a guy who looks a bit like William Jose at what could be the Hilton hotel
In Manchester
Was told it was Gelson Martins who met R K last week,our scouts have made a number of trips to Sporting C P since feb this year.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on May 19, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
Was told it was Gelson Martins who met R K last week,our scouts have made a number of trips to Sporting C P since feb this year.

Nobody in that photo looks like Gelson Martins though
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Faceatthefence on May 19, 2017, 04:32:50 PM
Nobody in that photo looks like Gelson Martins though
Had to google him myself,not heard anything about him till this week.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 19, 2017, 04:38:42 PM
Was told it was Gelson Martins who met R K last week,our scouts have made a number of trips to Sporting C P since feb this year.

Gelson Martins? He's black with dreadlocks isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on May 19, 2017, 04:46:41 PM
Could have been Gelson Martins agent?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 05:33:20 PM
Nobody in that photo looks like Gelson Martins though

Why is that relevant? An ITK is an ITK, don't get caught up in the important details, if we all did that we'd have nothing to talk about. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 19, 2017, 06:00:19 PM
Looking forwards to hearing what Koeman has to say at his press conference, no doubt he will be asked about Barkley and Lukaku again
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 06:11:42 PM
Looking forwards to hearing what Koeman has to say at his press conference, no doubt he will be asked about Barkley and Lukaku again

Well Koeman did say he needs an answer from Barkley 'next week' and it is 'next week' so it'll be interesting to hear his take on where we are.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on May 19, 2017, 08:56:41 PM
Was told it was Gelson Martins who met R K last week,our scouts have made a number of trips to Sporting C P since feb this year.

Just googled him and burst out laughing in work cheers mate
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueMaquis on May 19, 2017, 10:27:27 PM
30 mil for Pickford - let's get him!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39980308
Quote
Sunderland will only consider offers of about £30m for goalkeeper Jordan Pickford, says boss David Moyes.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 10:33:41 PM
30 mil for Pickford - let's get him!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39980308

2nd most expensive keeper ever? Only a slightly better call than paying 40 for joe hart
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueMaquis on May 19, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
2nd most expensive keeper ever? Only a slightly better call than paying 40 for joe hart

When your missus is paying for dinner, you don't look at the prices on the menu
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 10:36:52 PM
When your missus is paying for dinner, you don't look at the prices on the menu

Let's get both then. Pickford Hart and fuck it let's do the 70m for mahez shout too. 140m we could have them all wrapped up by the 2nd of July. This years and next years spending sorted not our money.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 11:17:11 PM
The issue I can foresee if we could maybe sign Sandro, Klassen and Sigurdsson for c£50m and recoup maybe that in selling Barkley and Del. Thereby gaining three players who are all capable of contributing double figures in exchange for two who hardly trouble the scorers at all.

However there would be uproar from certain sections of our fans calling Moshiri a fraud for doing what would appear to be good business in strengthening the squad without spending much and keeping funds aside for a decent keeper and centre half, as well as others.

This summer will bring out the best and worst in our fanbase.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Silas on May 19, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
The issue I can foresee if we could maybe sign Sandro, Klassen and Sigurdsson for c£50m and recoup maybe that in selling Barkley and Del. Thereby gaining three players who are all capable of contributing double figures in exchange for two who hardly trouble the scorers at all.

However there would be uproar from certain sections of our fans calling Moshiri a fraud for doing what would appear to be good business in strengthening the squad without spending much and keeping funds aside for a decent keeper and centre half, as well as others.

This summer will bring out the best and worst in our fanbase.

Every summer does mate
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 19, 2017, 11:50:44 PM
Im starting to prefer the days when we were skint, at least then we all knew were we stood, quite a few blues have gone fucking stupid since Moshiri bought us, just wait til the window closes in September, there will be fans going ape shit if we haven't spent 200+ million
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on May 20, 2017, 12:58:57 AM
Anyone else heard that is was Matteo Mustacchio from Villareal, meeting with Koeman at the Hilton earlier in the week?
Certainly looks more like him than cauliflower eared Willian Jose! Although, he looks a good player too tbh.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on May 20, 2017, 01:01:57 AM
Think with the recent pics of Koeman at Malaga to see Sandro and the recent one it seems we are atleast TRYING to do business early.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 20, 2017, 02:08:15 AM
Think with the recent pics of Koeman at Malaga to see Sandro and the recent one it seems we are atleast TRYING to do business early.

Koeman has a lot of golf booked in over the summer months. He doesn't want work interfering with his holiday schedule.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 20, 2017, 02:15:12 PM
Already seen the first 'this window is so underwhelming shout' on social media. That would be the window that's not even open yet. We do have some over dramatic fans.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 20, 2017, 02:26:40 PM
Already seen the first 'this window is so underwhelming shout' on social media. That would be the window that's not even open yet. We do have some over dramatic fans.

Its going to be great.  We're going to be linked with everyone so i'll not get any work done for months.  Itll be shit when we're linked with good players and they sign contracts or go elsewhere, but it beats being linked with the likes of Paul Dickov and Robbie Savage.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 20, 2017, 02:31:15 PM
Its going to be great.  We're going to be linked with everyone so i'll not get any work done for months.  Itll be shit when we're linked with good players and they sign contracts or go elsewhere, but it beats being linked with the likes of Paul Dickov and Robbie Savage.

I love the links. I know most of them will be bollocks so won't fume when they go elsewhere. Now just off to order my new home shirt with Messi on the back
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 20, 2017, 02:33:51 PM
What the fuck is the hold up?!?! Ffs.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Blue Lagoon on May 20, 2017, 02:34:15 PM

This summer will bring out the best and worst in our fanbase.
Ah well. We're rich now so can just buy new fans ;)

I'm committed to being an Everton fan, but I'm not under contract and if Spurs want me I'm available for a few million like
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 22, 2017, 04:23:43 PM
The hard work starts today, was chatting to a mate yesterday about what we need etc.. we both agreed its gonna be a frustrating time but players will come, Koeman is a massive name in world football, quite a few players would bend over backwards to play for him and join "his project"
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: dangermouse on May 22, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
This topic needs a poll or dare I say a sweepstake..
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 22, 2017, 06:16:15 PM
The hard work starts today, was chatting to a mate yesterday about what we need etc.. we both agreed its gonna be a frustrating time but players will come, Koeman is a massive name in world football, quite a few players would bend over backwards to play for him and join "his project"

Depends if there is a better project on offer elsewhere. Koeman may well be a big name but he's still the manager of the 7th best team in the division who are hardly known outside of this country and who haven't won a trophy in most players lifetimes.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 22, 2017, 07:20:19 PM
Already seen the first 'this window is so underwhelming shout' on social media. That would be the window that's not even open yet. We do have some over dramatic fans.

be full on melt down by the end of June and we haven't signed anyone still.....  :hmph:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 22, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
It's a bit of an arse that the four other major European transfer windows open a week before ours.

It might sound crazy, but it ain't no lie.

I wonder why we aren't N Sync with them? 🤔

With a week to do their business before us, we can probably say bye, bye, bye to some of our targets.




(http://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/55/2016/08/2016_JustinTimberlake_Nsync_GettyImages-84427773_050516-1.jpg)










Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 22, 2017, 07:40:52 PM
Anyone else heard that is was Matteo Mustacchio from Villareal, meeting with Koeman at the Hilton earlier in the week?
Certainly looks more like him than cauliflower eared Willian Jose! Although, he looks a good player too tbh.


Ronald Koeman confirmed that it was a cameraman doing a documentary about his Barcelona days

He went on to say that if he was having transfer talks with a player it wouldn't be in a public place
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 22, 2017, 07:42:01 PM
be full on melt down by the end of June and we haven't signed anyone still.....  :hmph:

Heads will be falling off by the end of May let alone June.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 22, 2017, 07:47:07 PM
Heads will be falling off by the end of May let alone June.

They already are
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 22, 2017, 08:46:08 PM
Anyone else heard that is was Matteo Mustacchio from Villareal, meeting with Koeman at the Hilton earlier in the week?
Certainly looks more like him than cauliflower eared Willian Jose! Although, he looks a good player too tbh.

shame he's off to Milan
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: formerKHL on May 23, 2017, 02:16:30 AM
Whoever we buy and however much we spend.....

We have to be looking at players that will give us a minimum of  26 more points......no matter what their position

This gets us in and around the top 6 at least.....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 23, 2017, 02:22:59 AM
Whoever we buy and however much we spend.....

We have to be looking at players that will give us a minimum of  26 more points......no matter what their position

This gets us in and around the top 6 at least.....
26 more points gets is 87 pts which wins the league most years
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: cantoffee on May 23, 2017, 02:23:49 AM
Whoever we buy and however much we spend.....

We have to be looking at players that will give us a minimum of  26 more points......no matter what their position

This gets us in and around the top 6 at least.....
26 more points?!

That would have us challenging for the title!

There is 0 chance we pick up 26 more points next year. We'll have made good progress with 10-12 more points.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: formerKHL on May 23, 2017, 02:39:16 AM
DOH !! Apologies shoulda read 16 more points .....been along day at the office...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 23, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10889987/qpr-reject-everton-offer-for-teenager-josh-bowler

Walsh still finding time to help Unsworth out at the same time as Koeman.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 23, 2017, 08:07:29 PM
The season finished on Sunday, it's now Tuesday afternoon and we still haven't signed anyone

MOSHIRI IS A FRAUD, FUCK OFF EVERTON
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 23, 2017, 08:29:31 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10889987/qpr-reject-everton-offer-for-teenager-josh-bowler

Walsh still finding time to help Unsworth out at the same time as Koeman.

Walsh will be taking his summer holidays in October this year.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on May 23, 2017, 09:32:23 PM
meanwhile, as we go live to the Everton transfer centre office

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: toffee_scot on May 24, 2017, 02:36:28 AM
meanwhile, as we go live to the Everton transfer centre office

(http://www.cutecatgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Cute-Cat-GIFs-HQ.gif)




Looks like they are away to dispatch the infamous delegation.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 24, 2017, 11:58:53 PM
When does the window open? I thought it was July 1st but seeing some suggesting June 9th which sounds a bit random
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 25, 2017, 12:04:32 AM
When does the window open? I thought it was July 1st but seeing some suggesting June 9th which sounds a bit random

Its technically over after the last competitive game of the season is played for domestic transfers, so whenever the last playoff final is?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on May 25, 2017, 12:45:19 AM
From PL website
<<< The summer transfer window usually opens on June 10 and closes at 11pm BST on the final day of August. These dates may slightly vary from year to year.>>>
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: trueevertonianpaul on May 25, 2017, 04:17:43 AM
Well klassen can keep the ball but I don't know where is eye for goal thou.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shropshire Blue on May 26, 2017, 02:02:33 AM
Today's BBC reporting seems to open the door for a smooth transition back to Goodison for Wayne  Rooney. Leaving aside the obvious discussion about age or has he still got it etc I wonder if he could be the ideal person to bridge the gap between loosing Ross and the youngsters being at the stage when they have learned enough to hold their own in the PL and be consistent?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 26, 2017, 01:56:30 PM
Today's BBC reporting seems to open the door for a smooth transition back to Goodison for Wayne  Rooney. Leaving aside the obvious discussion about age or has he still got it etc I wonder if he could be the ideal person to bridge the gap between loosing Ross and the youngsters being at the stage when they have learned enough to hold their own in the PL and be consistent?

Or the guy that lets them know they can piss off at the first opportunity, have it all,win it all and then come back to little old Everton for a final payday?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
Or the guy that lets them know they can piss off at the first opportunity, have it all,win it all and then come back to little old Everton for a final payday?

I know what you're saying Mick, but when you look at his accolades, achievements, trophies, records and titles - can anyone say it was the wrong thing for him to do?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 26, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
I know what you're saying Mick, but when you look at his accolades, achievements, trophies, records and titles - can anyone say it was the wrong thing for him to do?

No.
But he's deffo not the person to parade as an example to make these kids stay is he?

There's also the argument that he could have used his talents to push us forward/attract other players to win silverware here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
No.
But he's deffo not the person to parade as an example to make these kids stay is he?

There's also the argument that he could have used his talents to push us forward/attract other players to win silverware here.

I don't think anyone would use him as an example to make kids stay anywhere other than at an already successful club.

As for the other argument - I will agree with you that he could have used his talents to push us forward/attract other players and win silverware here - if you'll agree with me that it would have taken years for that to happen and then - even if it did happen at all (and that's a very big 'if'), he would still only have achieved a tiny fraction of what he achieved at Man U?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 26, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
I don't think anyone would use him as an example to make kids stay anywhere other than at an already successful club.

I was replying to a post that would seemed to have suggested just that?
I think
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2017, 02:26:49 PM
I was replying to a post that would seemed to have suggested just that?
I think

I must have missed that. Unless you mean @Shropshire Blue (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3265) 's post but I read that as adding experience to the young players in the first team?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 26, 2017, 02:48:59 PM
I must have missed that. Unless you mean @Shropshire Blue (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3265) 's post but I read that as adding experience to the young players in the first team?

Yeah, maybe I misread it then.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
Or the guy that lets them know they can piss off at the first opportunity, have it all,win it all and then come back to little old Everton for a final payday?

Yawn.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
Yawn.

I've no issue with his lack of loyalty. There's no loyalty in football so why should he be any different. However I do think the bring him home shouts and claims he bleeds blue are ridiculous given he left first chance he got. People want to paint him as a returning hero but the truth is he scored about 10 goals for us over 10 years ago. He doesn't even make a tiny ripple in our history
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2017, 03:11:56 PM
I've no issue with his lack of loyalty. There's no loyalty in football so why should he be any different. However I do think the bring him home shouts and claims he bleeds blue are ridiculous given he left first chance he got. People want to paint him as a returning hero but the truth is he scored about 10 goals for us over 10 years ago. He doesn't even make a tiny ripple in our history

Yawn.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 26, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
Somebody needs to have a little nap
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2017, 03:18:51 PM
I've no issue with his lack of loyalty. There's no loyalty in football so why should he be any different. However I do think the bring him home shouts and claims he bleeds blue are ridiculous given he left first chance he got. People want to paint him as a returning hero but the truth is he scored about 10 goals for us over 10 years ago. He doesn't even make a tiny ripple in our history

It's this "first chance he got" bit that bugs me. Like he should have waited for the 10th or 11th chance or something.

I'd love someone to tell me the correct amount of missed opportunities before you can leave with your dignity intact.

The point isn't that it was the first chance - the point is that the chance was to go to a top side who were regularly winning domestic titles and European silverware. THAT is why he left - NOT because he pulled ticket number 1 at the deli counter and they called his number.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2017, 03:37:13 PM
I can't believe we're still going over the same old point nearly 15 years after the event. He's only one of England and the Premier League's most decorated footballers which justifies him leaving a relegation-threatened club at the first opportunity. He's made no secret of the fact he is still an Everton fan, his kids are always decked out in Everton clobber, he goes back to Goodison to watch a game when he can and there's not even a hint that he is a big time Charlie. In fact no-one within the game really has a bad word to say about him.

Question whether his fitness, his desire, his quality, his professionalism is still there by all means but the same old argument about him being some kind of returning judas doesn't really hold any water. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on May 26, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
He was one of the most highly regarded teenagers in world football and we were going nowhere. We needed the money, he wanted to win trophys and a deal was made. Ive got no issue with him coming back other than I don't think he's very good anymore
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ramjam on May 26, 2017, 06:24:05 PM
Is it true that the club had to sell him due to financial difficulties so they couldn't turn the 30mil down, also read reports that he didn't hit it off to well with Moyes so when the opportunity presented itself he decided to go. Perhaps we'll never know the truth but Rooney never lost his love for the club
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2017, 06:33:46 PM
It's this "first chance he got" bit that bugs me. Like he should have waited for the 10th or 11th chance or something.

I'd love someone to tell me the correct amount of missed opportunities before you can leave with your dignity intact.

The point isn't that it was the first chance - the point is that the chance was to go to a top side who were regularly winning domestic titles and European silverware. THAT is why he left - NOT because he pulled ticket number 1 at the deli counter and they called his number.




First chance is fine but you should lose the right to be treated like a returning hero who's blood is blue. How many goals did this man score for us over a decade ago? He's not 1 of our heroes. He did nothing here
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2017, 06:52:36 PM

First chance is fine but you should lose the right to be treated like a returning hero who's blood is blue. How many goals did this man score for us over a decade ago? He's not 1 of our heroes. He did nothing here


WTF are you on about?

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2017, 06:56:45 PM
WTF are you on about?



Half the people on here are talking about what a great Blue he is and shouting bring him home. Peoples opinions are clouded by sentiment and I'm really not sure why there's any sentiment. He did next to nowt over a decade ago
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
Half the people on here are talking about what a great Blue he is and shouting bring him home. Peoples opinions are clouded by sentiment and I'm really not sure why there's any sentiment. He did next to nowt over a decade ago

Fair bit of confirmation bias going on here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2017, 07:10:35 PM
Fair bit of confirmation bias going on here.

With me? I'd have Hitler and gerrard playing for us if they were good enough. My issue isn't that it's Wayne Rooney it's that he's not very good and he's being judged on sentiment which would be understandable if hed actually done something here
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on May 26, 2017, 07:12:04 PM
With me? I'd have Hitler and gerrard playing for us if they were good enough. My issue isn't that it's Wayne Rooney it's that he's not very good and he's being judged on sentiment which would be understandable if hed actually done something here

A point you've made a million times in a million different threads.

Please stop now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2017, 07:13:45 PM
A point you've made a million times in a million different threads.

Please stop now.

You gonna pull everyone up when they request we bring him home over and over? I respond the same way to the same shite.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 26, 2017, 07:19:50 PM
You gonna pull everyone up when they request we bring him home over and over? I respond the same way to the same shite.

Mate you're arguing against yourself just give it up, go and enjoy the sunny weather.
Most people on here are kind of resigned to the fact that if he comes he comes and let's just hope it's a success. We can all see he isn't the player he was and the only relevant point which keeps being made is the fact that he is a blue and not a big time Charlie, so on that basis it may well (hopefully) give him the added impetus to succeed and have a decent swansong to a very successful career. It really isn't any more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 26, 2017, 07:22:36 PM
Mate you're arguing against yourself just give it up, go and enjoy the sunny weather.
Most people on here are kind of resigned to the fact that if he comes he comes and let's just hope it's a success. We can all see he isn't the player he was and the only relevant point which keeps being made is the fact that he is a blue and not a big time Charlie, so on that basis it may well (hopefully) give him the added impetus to succeed and have a decent swansong to a very successful career. It really isn't any more complicated than that.

I think we all hope he's a success if he comes. As for the sun.... I'm extremely pale. It's no good for me
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 26, 2017, 07:56:02 PM
Is it true that the club had to sell him due to financial difficulties so they couldn't turn the 30mil down, also read reports that he didn't hit it off to well with Moyes so when the opportunity presented itself he decided to go. Perhaps we'll never know the truth but Rooney never lost his love for the club

Was front page news locally.

Rooney thought it was Moyes that leaked the story about him shagging that old prostitute. That killed any chance of him wanting to stay and he handed his transfer notice in (Moyes successfully sued to have it removed from Rooney's autobiography. Actually, not sure if that was this story or another one. But he got something removed, i'm sure).

The bank didn't force us to sell - Rooney did.
However, we would have been properly fucked if we didn't and Kenwright was pleading regularly with the bank to let us continue operating.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on May 26, 2017, 08:07:59 PM

The bank didn't force us to sell - Rooney did.
However, we would have been properly fucked if we didn't and Kenwright was pleading regularly with the bank to let us continue operating.
.....................That's how I remember it too. Bill famously said he wouldn't sell Rooney for £50m.......and he didn't.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sirblue57 on May 26, 2017, 09:27:30 PM
this Rooney bullshit is doing my head in, IF,he comes back , it would have to be on a financial package we could afford , WITHOUT, damaging our ability to buy top players as well. i don't want us spunking a transfer fee and top dollar wages for him, his fitness and other issues should override sentiment.

IF the price is right and leaves us free to add other quality players, yes, otherwise, no thanks.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 26, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
I always imagine Lefty is commenting with soiled undergarments, helps make more sense of his perspective.

Money from Rooney sale helped turn us from relegation fodder to regularly competing for Europe since.

He's not a proper blue, because he didn't score many, unlike Rom, who is not a great blue because he's not a grafter.

Unreasonable expectations tend to be reserve of the less able or the pessimist. But I'm an objectionable shit myself, so always got time for different opinions, only way you learn.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on May 27, 2017, 04:45:59 AM
Whisper it but i would go for that sako off the rs
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on May 27, 2017, 09:12:07 AM
With me? I'd have Hitler and gerrard playing for us if they were good enough. My issue isn't that it's Wayne Rooney it's that he's not very good and he's being judged on sentiment which would be understandable if hed actually done something here

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/004/591/gawdween.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 28, 2017, 06:02:25 PM
What would make you fewm, and what would have you shakin your rattles and waving your scarves all cock-a-hoop?

Fewmin for me would be:

Sell: (amongst others) Lukaku, Barkley, Deulofeu

Sign: (only) Deeney, Rooney, Sigurdsson, and Martina.


Cock-A-Hoop for me would be:

Sell: Only deadwood/ageing players, including Mori, McCarthy, and Deulofeu (reluctantly) if Koeman doesn't rate them and we can get decent money for them.

Sign: GK: I like Forster or Pickford
CB: Two, both young but ready to go into the 1st Team (Mawson looked good, quite like Maguire, and a lot creamed themselves on here over Lemos so fine by me!)
LB: Young competition/eventual replacement for Baines
DM/CM: Two, someone like Goretzka to play alongside Schneiderlin, and genuine competition for Gana Gueye (King-Dong Dendoncker?)
ACM/W: Ghezzal and Tielemans would be great (however unlikely)
ST/FW: Sandro, Iheanacho/Abraham and dare I say Rooney.

I would imagine, and hope at least, that the truth will be somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on May 28, 2017, 08:39:05 PM
What would make you fewm, and what would have you shakin your rattles and waving your scarves all cock-a-hoop?

Fewmin for me would be:

Sell: (amongst others) Lukaku, Barkley, Deulofeu

Sign: (only) Deeney, Rooney, Sigurdsson, and Martina.


Cock-A-Hoop for me would be:

Sell: Only deadwood/ageing players, including Mori, McCarthy, and Deulofeu (reluctantly) if Koeman doesn't rate them and we can get decent money for them.

Sign: GK: I like Forster or Pickford
CB: Two, both young but ready to go into the 1st Team (Mawson looked good, quite like Maguire, and a lot creamed themselves on here over Lemos so fine by me!)
LB: Young competition/eventual replacement for Baines
DM/CM: Two, someone like Goretzka to play alongside Schneiderlin, and genuine competition for Gana Gueye (King-Dong Dendoncker?)
ACM/W: Ghezzal and Tielemans would be great (however unlikely)
ST/FW: Sandro, Iheanacho/Abraham and dare I say Rooney.

I would imagine, and hope at least, that the truth will be somewhere in between.

Hasn't Tielmans just signed for Monaco?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 28, 2017, 08:53:20 PM
Hasn't Tielmans just signed for Monaco?

Haha, I don't know.

It wasn't a well-researched piece, just a guage between people's fewm and dreamland wheeling away in delight utopia.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 28, 2017, 09:07:04 PM
In: Lemos, Chilwell, Sigurdsson, Klassen, Batshuayi, Schmeichel (plus Barkley signs new deal)
Out: McCarthy, Williams, Deulofeu

I'm happy with that.  Probably not at all realistic.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on May 28, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
What would make you fewm, and what would have you shakin your rattles and waving your scarves all cock-a-hoop?

Fewmin for me would be:

Sell: (amongst others) Lukaku, Barkley, Deulofeu

Sign: (only) Deeney, Rooney, Sigurdsson, and Martina.


Haha. That is an absolute nightmare of squad planning.

Get rid of your best young attacking talent, sign three older attacking players who all pretty much occupy the same space on the pitch (and throw in a dumpster fire of a right back for good measure).

I'd be the first to call for Steve Walsh's head if we produced a summer like that.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 28, 2017, 09:47:41 PM
In: Lemos, Chilwell, Sigurdsson, Klassen, Batshuayi, Schmeichel (plus Barkley signs new deal)
Out: McCarthy, Williams, Deulofeu

I'm happy with that.  Probably not at all realistic.

No, a £120m+ net spend isnt anywhere close to being realistic.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 28, 2017, 10:04:58 PM
No, a £120m+ net spend isnt anywhere close to being realistic.

I've got a feeling it would only be seen as the amount we spend on that player on the initial first-year.

So, for example, if we spunked £30m on Sigurdsson and paid him £100k per week on an agreed 5 year contract, the amount from our budget for FFP would be around £11m rather than £30m.

At least that's how I understood it when someone who claimed to know about it explained it to me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on May 28, 2017, 10:33:08 PM
I've got a feeling it would only be seen as the amount we spend on that player on the initial first-year.

So, for example, if we spunked £30m on Sigurdsson and paid him £100k per week on an agreed 5 year contract, the amount from our budget for FFP would be around £11m rather than £30m.

At least that's how I understood it when someone who claimed to know about it explained it to me.

Regardless of FFP we won't have that kind f net spend I don't think.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 28, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
Regardless of FFP we won't have that kind f net spend I don't think.

Think we might if we don't sell lukaku. We aren't gonna spend 200m though. That's too much business so if lukaku goes the net would be much lower
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 28, 2017, 10:54:12 PM
I've got a feeling it would only be seen as the amount we spend on that player on the initial first-year.

So, for example, if we spunked £30m on Sigurdsson and paid him £100k per week on an agreed 5 year contract, the amount from our budget for FFP would be around £11m rather than £30m.

At least that's how I understood it when someone who claimed to know about it explained it to me.

Im not talking about FFP, im talking about committing to that much expenditure in one summer period.  No way that happens without Lukaku leaving for very close to asking price.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 28, 2017, 10:55:28 PM
Think we might if we don't sell lukaku. We aren't gonna spend 200m though. That's too much business so if lukaku goes the net would be much lower

Expect to be disappointed this summer then.  We're not City or United.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 28, 2017, 11:19:22 PM
Expect to be disappointed this summer then.  We're not City or United.

Think we'll buy at least 100m worth of players. Though I'm the idiot that sits there every deadline day when we do fuck all business so disappointment wouldn't be that surprising either
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 28, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
Regardless of FFP we won't have that kind f net spend I don't think.

Yes, I agree, I was just airing out FFP, just to see if I had it right more than anything
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on May 28, 2017, 11:55:42 PM
In: Lemos, Chilwell, Sigurdsson, Klassen, Batshuayi, Schmeichel (plus Barkley signs new deal)
Out: McCarthy, Williams, Deulofeu

I'm happy with that.  Probably not at all realistic.
Like those players coming in but wouldn't push McCarthy, Williams or (mentioned by many, Funes Mori) out. Think the fans massively underestimate the size of the job required this summer. We need quality but we are seriously short of numbers, too.

Looks like the following are/will be, off:

Valencia
Kone
Cleverly
Garbutt
McAleny
Niasse
McGeady

There are question marks over the futures of/ contract issues with:

Deulofeu
Lukaku
Barkley
Barry
Jagielka
Robles

And these lot won't be ready for the start of the season:

Bolasie
Coleman
Lennon

The following have only been in and around the squad as we're so short of numbers and are yet to prove they can consistently perform for a team aspiring for a CL place:

Calvert-Lewin
Pennington
Kenny
Williams
Lookman
Browning

I know not all of the above have made a significant contribution this season - but that's still a massive proportion of the squad that are deemed surplus to requirements or are not ready to justify a place in the squad.

There is a massive assumption that u23s will step up but that's a lot to ask - at most you'd only want 2 or 3 supplementing the squad.

Just basic maths; we probably need 8 players this summer. How far will £100m go?

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 28, 2017, 11:57:50 PM
Like those players coming in but wouldn't push McCarthy, Williams or (mentioned by many, Funes Mori) out. Think the fans massively underestimate the size of the job required this summer. We need quality but we are seriously short of numbers, too.

Looks like the following are/will be, off:

Valencia
Kone
Cleverly
Garbutt
McAleny
Niasse
McGeady

There are question marks over the futures of/ contract issues with:

Deulofeu
Lukaku
Barkley
Barry
Jagielka
Robles

And these lot won't be ready for the start of the season:

Bolasie
Coleman
Lennon

The following have only been in and around the squad as we're so short of numbers and are yet to prove they can consistently perform for a team aspiring for a CL place:

Calvert-Lewin
Pennington
Kenny
Williams
Lookman
Browning

I know not all of the above have made a significant contribution this season - but that's still a massive proportion of the squad that are deemed surplus to requirements or are not ready to justify a place in the squad.

There is a massive assumption that u23s will step up but that's a lot to ask - at most you'd only want 2 or 3 supplementing the squad.

Just basic maths; we probably need 8 players this summer. How far will £100m go?
I dont think we have a set sum to spend. I feel its more lile we have the money for what we need.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on May 29, 2017, 12:32:59 AM
I dont think we have a set sum to spend. I feel its more lile we have the money for what we need.
If anyone is actually going to eventually say yes to coming here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on May 29, 2017, 12:43:01 AM
I've got a feeling it would only be seen as the amount we spend on that player on the initial first-year.

So, for example, if we spunked £30m on Sigurdsson and paid him £100k per week on an agreed 5 year contract, the amount from our budget for FFP would be around £11m rather than £30m.

At least that's how I understood it when someone who claimed to know about it explained it to me.

Think that's to do with wages and contracts specifically, although some transfer fees are paid in installments. Amount recorded would be £30m for fee plus £5m for wages this year and then £5m for each subsequent year of contract. Cost of overall transfer to club is £55m, but only the amount paid this year would be in accounts, not entire cost of agreement.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 29, 2017, 12:51:33 AM
Spend all the monies!!!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 29, 2017, 12:52:01 AM
Think that's to do with wages and contracts specifically, although some transfer fees are paid in installments. Amount recorded would be £30m for fee plus £5m for wages this year and then £5m for each subsequent year of contract. Cost of overall transfer to club is £55m, but only the amount paid this year would be in accounts, not entire cost of agreement.

Ah I see, so my informer was being overly optimisic.

The prick.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on May 29, 2017, 01:13:17 AM
Ah I see, so my informer was being overly optimisic.

The prick.

I think your underworld connection was right.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: arteta4spain on May 29, 2017, 01:40:13 AM
Ah I see, so my informer was being overly optimisic.

The prick.
I don't understand how people don't factor in wages when including a transfer. Its just common sense. 😳
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 29, 2017, 02:14:50 AM
I don't understand how people don't factor in wages when including a transfer. Its just common sense. 😳

I'm not sure you read the post fully, A4S;
The fella did factor in wages, he just thought you only included the first year of the transfer fee with regards to FFP (i.e. A £30m player on a 5 year contract worth £100k a week would strike £11m off of your 'allowance', so to speak)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on May 29, 2017, 02:15:27 AM
I think your underworld connection was right.

Oh really, BD, have you heard the same?

I got the info from some dude in a mobile fast-food hatch when I was Up North once..
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 29, 2017, 06:05:38 AM
Amortisation of value is what's placed in the books.

We may sign him for £30m, but we then have an asset of £30m. The books balance at zero.

Each year (including the 1st, think of it like driving a car off the forecourt) we then account for amortisation of value.

So player value is, traditionally, split over the length of his contract. His wages come out yearly in a separate column.

It's why the likes of Barkley are technically worth zero on our books
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on May 29, 2017, 11:19:21 AM
Amortisation of value is what's placed in the books.

We may sign him for £30m, but we then have an asset of £30m. The books balance at zero.

Each year (including the 1st, think of it like driving a car off the forecourt) we then account for amortisation of value.

So player value is, traditionally, split over the length of his contract. His wages come out yearly in a separate column.

It's why the likes of Barkley are technically worth zero on our books

Yes.

£25m player on 5 year / 5m pa contract

Costs £5m in amortisation against the asset value and £5m in wages. So an impact of £10m on the bottom line.

Therefore at the end of 17/18 the player will be worth £20m in our accounts.

During 18/19 they will cost another £5m amortisation costs and £5m wages. They will be worth £15m as an assets.

Were we to sell at that point for £30m we would register a profit of £15m (£30m cash vs £15m asset value) which can be used to offset FFP.

So Barkley (as no fee paid) would be pure profit.

Lukaku is 4 years into his original 5 year deal so will be worth about £5.5m so again, we should be in for massive (accounting) profit were he to go.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 29, 2017, 10:06:32 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/08/man-city-hand-teenage-defender-tosin-adarabioyo-lucrative-new/
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robber Rodwell on May 30, 2017, 02:04:12 AM
Just seing the links regarding this Reuben Semedo fella from Portugal, also Mangala from City possibly available.  Has anyone seen these guys in action over the last few seasons.  Both seem to be a good age and physically strong, should we be interested if the price is right?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 30, 2017, 02:10:28 AM
aint saw much of the Reuben Semedo  guy, always thought he was a RB
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 30, 2017, 02:12:30 AM
Just seing the links regarding this Reuben Semedo fella from Portugal, also Mangala from City possibly available.  Has anyone seen these guys in action over the last few seasons.  Both seem to be a good age and physically strong, should we be interested if the price is right?
Mangala was poor in the pl
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robber Rodwell on May 30, 2017, 02:14:24 AM

Looks Like Virgil part two.  Has some pace and not scared to throw in a tackle.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robber Rodwell on May 30, 2017, 02:16:00 AM
I know Newcastle are linked.  Surely we are more appealing at this point.  Would really like Ron and Steve to get the finger out and make a signing that shows some intent.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robber Rodwell on May 30, 2017, 03:39:24 AM
20 million euro (17 million pounds)
Is being the price reported in the daily express.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on May 30, 2017, 03:46:17 AM
He's got the moody 'manny fernandes' look. I'm in
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: hill135 on May 30, 2017, 04:55:32 AM
that Semedo has Man Utd written all over him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 30, 2017, 01:59:14 PM
No chance of VVD
Sandro off to Atletico
Klassen maybe to Roma
Ihenacho maybe to West Ham

Cripes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 30, 2017, 02:09:25 PM
No chance of VVD
Sandro off to Atletico
Klassen maybe to Roma
Ihenacho maybe to West Ham

Cripes

Still think we could get Sandro and klassen & Ihenacho would choose us over the other reported options
If Sandro and his agent have any sense they'll be looking to sign a contract similar to his last 1 with a lesser team then sitting on atelticos bench
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on May 30, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
Jordan Pickford 8/11 to sign for Everton
Sigurdsson 2/5 to sign for Everton
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 30, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Still think we could get Sandro and klassen & Ihenacho would choose us over the other reported options
If Sandro and his agent have any sense they'll be looking to sign a contract similar to his last 1 with a lesser team then sitting on atelticos bench

He is quite highly rated though and he can play out wide as well so it's not as if he'd be going there just as a bench warmer. If he got the chance to try his luck at Atletico he's not gonna turn it down for us, he's still young enough to move on if it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on May 30, 2017, 04:27:16 PM
Jordan Pickford 8/11 to sign for Everton
Sigurdsson 2/5 to sign for Everton


Means fuck all, Mata was 1/6 to sign for us, Witsel was 1/4
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: MHEFC on May 30, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Begovic to Bournemouth for £10 mil.

I would of took him over Joel and Stekelenburg !

Is the Pickford deal going to happen? 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 30, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
Begovic to Bournemouth for £10 mil.

I would of took him over Joel and Stekelenburg !

Is the Pickford deal going to happen? 

He's been poor for the past few years. Now he's older and not really worth it to risk another short term fix.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on May 30, 2017, 07:55:02 PM
Begovic is quite shit

Was poor in his last season at stoke and has been poor anytime he's played for chelsea.

I'd like to think we have our sights set a lot higher
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 30, 2017, 09:05:52 PM
Begovic hasn't had a decent game since he went to Chelsea.  £10m for him confirms if he had more than a year left on his deal we'd be able to get a more than decent wedge for Robles, and that Pickford at £25m isn't extortionate.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 30, 2017, 09:09:56 PM
Speaking of our Spanish stopper I wonder how much Robles would fetch if we flogged him? (Not literally).

He's got age on his side, he's got some decent stats from last season and looking at the dearth of decent goalkeeping talent across the market at the minute I wonder how much we could rinse some unsuspecting buyer for him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on May 30, 2017, 09:26:19 PM
Speaking of our Spanish stopper I wonder how much Robles would fetch if we flogged him? (Not literally).

He's got age on his side, he's got some decent stats from last season and looking at the dearth of decent goalkeeping talent across the market at the minute I wonder how much we could rinse some unsuspecting buyer for him.

If he had more than a year left I'd say we'd get £15m for him to another EPL team.  Just a year left I'd still be looking £8m-ish.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: hill135 on May 30, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
No way any team on earth is going to pay decent money for Robles.

His level is 10th-15th La Liga and those teams are dirt poor.

3 mil max in my eyes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 30, 2017, 09:48:19 PM
At those rates, I'd keep Robles for Cup ties and injury insurance.  He's under contract, and not good enough to raise a stink about it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on May 30, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
If he doesn't get any first team assurances he won't sign a new contract (or so he was intimating), so we might not have a choice.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 01, 2017, 07:36:44 PM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/evertons-e20m-offer-27-year-carefully-considered-club-look-replacement/


http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-watford-keen-sign-young-defender-agent-problems-strike/
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 01, 2017, 11:48:28 PM
If he doesn't get any first team assurances he won't sign a new contract (or so he was intimating), so we might not have a choice.

It's not unusual for a back up goalies to run down their contracts, he'll be on decent money for a back-up, and easily replaced when the time comes.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on June 01, 2017, 11:56:43 PM
No way any team on earth is going to pay decent money for Robles.

His level is 10th-15th La Liga and those teams are dirt poor.

3 mil max in my eyes
in this market id want more than 3mill for any first team player. Robles is probably mid table premier league level, he was really consistent this season then had a bad run of about 3/4 games when he was at fault for a few goals. I could see him number 1 for a west ham or a newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2017, 12:15:22 AM
I reckon we should spend 130 million minimum
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: schleffera on June 02, 2017, 06:05:13 AM
I reckon we should spend 130 million minimum
Not net, maybe excl. cash in.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2017, 01:23:35 PM
Not net, maybe excl. cash in.

I don't think net is relevant. We need to spend that with our without sales.

If we sold Lukaku for £80m, there'd be no reason to go out and spend a further £80m just because we had it. We'd spend whatever it took to replace him (see: £10m for Williams to replace Stones. Anybody else we bought was brought in regardless of whether stones had left or not)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trowel on June 02, 2017, 01:40:46 PM
Walsh On Blues' Summer Transfer Plans

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/06/01/walsh-on-blues-summer-transfer-plans

Director of Football Steve Walsh has revealed how Everton’s summer transfer plans ramped up as soon as the January window closed - and that “a lot of work” has been done behind the scenes to bolster the first-team squad during the off-season.

Walsh and his team of staff have been working closely with manager Ronald Koeman to put into practice the ongoing recruitment strategy - including the identification, scouting and due-diligence of potential new signings.

Last month, Koeman revealed how he would constantly be in dialogue with Walsh and Club officials during his summer break to ensure the Blues are ready to act and secure the right transfer targets.

Formerly joint Assistant Manager and Head of Recruitment at the 2015/16 Premier League champions Leicester City, Walsh was appointed at Everton last July and in his position has so far helped lure Idrissa Gana Gueye, Ashley Williams, Yannick Bolasie, Ademola Lookman and Morgan Schneiderlin to Goodison Park.

“Planning never stops,” declared Walsh. “From the day the window closes until the day it opens again, you are always looking at your possibilities. We are no different.

“We’ve done a lot of work behind the scenes to get the correct information about the players. I have sat down with Ronald and gone through those. Obviously we discuss it all the time and we want to improve things, build on what we have got. That’s the key message.

“We've got a large team of people working with me and I collate a lot of information from them. My department is very well run, very organised and we make sure we get as much information about the player that we possibly can. If we like the player, I’ve got to try to convince Ronald that he’s the player for us. It could well be that Ronald has seen the player as well, so it’s a collective decision at the end of the day.”
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2017, 02:01:25 PM
Sounds like a case of to many cooks
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on June 02, 2017, 02:46:25 PM
Heard that Mourinho wants Lacazette after Greizman said he's staying at Atletico, so if anyone was still holding out for that one...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
I have confidence in Walsh and Koeman. It's the deal-making arm of the operation that worries the fuck out of me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 02, 2017, 04:45:22 PM
I have confidence in Walsh and Koeman. It's the deal-making arm of the operation that worries the fuck out of me.

Yeah, is that still Elstone and Bill?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2017, 04:45:34 PM
Walsh getting some right stick over on Facebook on one of the Echo articles about this. There are some absolute idiots in our fanbase.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
Yeah, is that still Elstone and Bill?

It certainly seems like they are heavily involved in that side of things.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 02, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
It certainly seems like they are heavily involved in that side of things.

Oily Elstone
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 05:00:24 PM
Oily Elstone

If you look at the utter mess that was the SportPesa announcement and the subsequent mishandling of that, as well as the Schneiderlin deal dragging on much longer than it should have, it suggests that incompetence is still the order of the day in the business side of the club.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on June 02, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
What was a mess, exactly?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2017, 05:02:43 PM
If you look at the utter mess that was the SportPesa announcement and the subsequent mishandling of that, as well as the Schneiderlin deal dragging on much longer than it should have, it suggests that incompetence is still the order of the day in the business side of the club.

Don't forget the recent denial that we are pre-seasoning in Holland, despite Gronigen releasing dates & ticket prices
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2017, 05:09:48 PM
It's normal when a new owner comes in to give the existing Chief Exec enough rope to hang himself or step up to the mark. He seems to be doing the former not the latter.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 05:22:31 PM
What was a mess, exactly?

Full disclosure, this point was made on a Blue Room podcast originally. Firstly it was leaked out, then no new kits were available when it was announced. At the launch, Darren Griffiths apparently said 'it doesn't matter which name is on the kit as long as it's Royal Blue' (just what your new commercial partner wants to hear). There's other stuff as well. Have a listen to this from the 36 minute mark -

http://www.theblueroomefc.com/2017/05/podcast-everton-business-matters-episode-2/
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2017, 05:35:46 PM
Full disclosure, this point was made on a Blue Room podcast originally. Firstly it was leaked out, then no new kits were available when it was announced. At the launch, Darren Griffiths apparently said 'it doesn't matter which name is on the kit as long as it's Royal Blue' (just what your new commercial partner wants to hear). There's other stuff as well. Have a listen to this from the 36 minute mark -

http://www.theblueroomefc.com/2017/05/podcast-everton-business-matters-episode-2/
I'm not suggesting that the club handled it well, but you have to look as the Esk always loves to put it, you have to compare us to out peers. Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal all have their kits leaked all the time. There was a good 3+ weeks between Liverpool's kit being unveiled and it being released. There's a lot to criticise the club for - the way that Meis and Anderson have been blabbing about the stadium for example - but the kit stuff really seems like nitpicking. The only thing I would really say should be done is unveiling it in April instead of May and having our away kits available sooner in turn.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2017, 05:38:16 PM
I may be wrong here, but weren't the new kits meant to be available to buy online and in shops on the 26th May?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 05:44:33 PM
I'm not suggesting that the club handled it well, but you have to look as the Esk always loves to put it, you have to compare us to out peers. Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal all have their kits leaked all the time. There was a good 3+ weeks between Liverpool's kit being unveiled and it being released. There's a lot to criticise the club for - the way that Meis and Anderson have been blabbing about the stadium for example - but the kit stuff really seems like nitpicking. The only thing I would really say should be done is unveiling it in April instead of May and having our away kits available sooner in turn.

Yeah point taken. I just think the mess of last summer's transfer window, combined with the Schneiderlin deal taking a week longer than it should (by which point we were out of the FA Cup), combined with this SportPesa stuff, combined with all the previous indiscretions over the years still points to a pattern of financial incompetence and underachievement.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on June 02, 2017, 05:46:40 PM
Why did the Schneiderlin deal "take a week longer than it should"?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2017, 05:48:34 PM
Why did the Schneiderlin deal "take a week longer than it should"?

Looks like it had stalled and we were close to giving up on the deal, when Koeman had strong words after the Leicester defeat - pushing the recruitment team back to United with a more realistic offer.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
Yeah point taken. I just think the mess of last summer's transfer window, combined with the Schneiderlin deal taking a week longer than it should (by which point we were out of the FA Cup), combined with this SportPesa stuff, combined with all the previous indiscretions over the years still points to a pattern of financial incompetence and underachievement.
I don't disagree. I think Elstone and Kenwright have had a lot of practice being in charge at a small time club with no money and have continued operating in the same way.

A 5-year deal with SportPesa screams "we can guarantee more money than Chang for 5 years! That's great!". A more ambitious club should be taking the most money we can get for the next 2 or 3 years and negotiating for more after regular European competition and challenging for cups/the top 4.

Similarly with Schneiderlin, offering that far below the asking price for Pickford suggests we're still going to have long drawn out transfer sagas this year. It's inevitable to a degree because there are higher profile clubs likely to be after our targets, but dragging it out makes it more likely that secondary targets become unavailable too.

Criticising the kit launch just seemed to be nitpicky really. That said, I do enjoy listening to those Blue Room business podcasts and will have to listen to the latest one at some point.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on June 02, 2017, 05:57:35 PM
Looks like it had stalled and we were close to giving up on the deal, when Koeman had strong words after the Leicester defeat - pushing the recruitment team back to United with a more realistic offer.

Possibly. I dunno, I just feel we all are guilty of underestimating how difficult all these deals are/can be. It's always easy to put a negative spin on everything.

The opposite side of the coin being; we got Schneiderlin, we signed a lucrative (in comparison to previous) sponsorship deal, we're releasing a kit in time for summer (as fans always moan about).

People are getting narky because of the transfer window, which isn't even opened in earnest. That seems to be the really issue here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 06:05:33 PM
I don't disagree. I think Elstone and Kenwright have had a lot of practice being in charge at a small time club with no money and have continued operating in the same way.

A 5-year deal with SportPesa screams "we can guarantee more money than Chang for 5 years! That's great!". A more ambitious club should be taking the most money we can get for the next 2 or 3 years and negotiating for more after regular European competition and challenging for cups/the top 4.

Similarly with Schneiderlin, offering that far below the asking price for Pickford suggests we're still going to have long drawn out transfer sagas this year. It's inevitable to a degree because there are higher profile clubs likely to be after our targets, but dragging it out makes it more likely that secondary targets become unavailable too.

Criticising the kit launch just seemed to be nitpicky really. That said, I do enjoy listening to those Blue Room business podcasts and will have to listen to the latest one at some point.

Yeah, like I say point taken. I do think it indicates a certain level of ineptitude, but like most things we're all guessing, we don't have access to the inner workings etc.

The £8m bid for Pickford (if accurate) isn't exactly a confidence builder really.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2017, 06:09:22 PM
People are getting narky because of the transfer window, which isn't even opened in earnest. That seems to be the really issue here.

Correct! Patience is needed, unfortunately a lot of Evertonians don't know what that word means
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on June 02, 2017, 06:10:21 PM
Correct! Patience is needed, unfortunately a lot of Evertonians people don't know what that word means
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2017, 06:12:33 PM
Give it another week, then we will start to get the Moshiri is fraud quotes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2017, 06:13:03 PM
The rumour is they owe us the majority of the January cash for Gibson and Oviedo so I suppose we're thinking the £8m plus c£5m (£13m) if we look at it that way is a fair opening bid for an unproven keeper with only 20-odd games to date in his professional career. Which sounds sensible to be honest, bearing in mind they are a cash strapped club. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on June 02, 2017, 06:23:40 PM
https://twitter.com/CraigHope_DM/status/870189198367760384 (https://twitter.com/CraigHope_DM/status/870189198367760384)

And just for fun:

https://twitter.com/DavidSneydIDM/status/870189623116521472 (https://twitter.com/DavidSneydIDM/status/870189623116521472)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2017, 06:27:49 PM
Yeah, like I say point taken. I do think it indicates a certain level of ineptitude, but like most things we're all guessing, we don't have access to the inner workings etc.

The £8m bid for Pickford (if accurate) isn't exactly a confidence builder really.
Yeah. I think we both hope we've learned a little from the Schneiderlin deal and get deals for which there's less competition over the line sooner. If Sigurdsson is one of our top targets, we should be getting that over the line much sooner rather than later.

After thinking about Pickford a little, I wonder if we're stuck in a chain that begins with De Gea... Schmeichel, for example, being the top target for both us and United and we're sat here waiting for that to be resolved before moving down the list.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 06:29:42 PM
I think the blues who talk about 'patience' a lot tend to be apologists and bend over backwards to excuse and explain away ineptitude but different strokes for different folks and all that.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 02, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
On a separate note, that WRD fella on another forum reckons we signed a left back last night but no names mentioned.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2017, 06:43:36 PM
Weren't Man U arguing that Schneiderlin had somehow increased in value from £24m though after hardly playing any football for 18 months? We were right to argue the toss, how much did we pay in the end? £20m with a few more in add ons?

Just because we no longer have the same money worries doesn't mean we should walk into discussions with our pants round our ankles. We still have to play within the FFP boundaries. The possible difference in haggling in big deals is the value of a Sandro or the best part of a Lookman, which with our budget constraints has to be a consideration.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 02, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
I'm not arguing that Everton shouldn't be looking for the best deal possible, but that they should probably be arriving at that deal sooner.

Particularly when the player in question isn't making matchday squads and the only other serious interest is from a team like West Brom whom he's never going to move to anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 02, 2017, 07:38:31 PM
On a separate note, that WRD fella on another forum reckons we signed a left back last night but no names mentioned.

He also said we've signed Keane and Schmeichel

I'm calling him out as a fraud!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 02, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
On a separate note, that WRD fella on another forum reckons we signed a left back last night but no names mentioned.

We've also signed a striker today

I won't say who, or when it will be announced

But I'll want my ITK points whenever it happens.....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 02, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
On a separate note, that WRD fella on another forum reckons we signed a left back last night but no names mentioned.

Ferland Mendy

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2017, 07:55:29 PM
Striker probably the young lad from QPR.

Good to see Walsh is planning for the post-Koeman era as well as now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 02, 2017, 07:55:55 PM
I think the blues who talk about 'patience' a lot tend to be apologists and bend over backwards to excuse and explain away ineptitude but different strokes for different folks and all that.

I would rather patience than getting deals over the line by not negotiating very hard
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on June 02, 2017, 07:58:21 PM
I think the blues who talk about 'patience' a lot tend to be apologists and bend over backwards to excuse and explain away ineptitude

That's more than once you've bandied that term around. What exactly is the "ineptitude" on display here? New sponsorship deals have been signed and a new stadium is moving forward. Transfers will happen in time, but it's worth remembering that it's the second of June.

Not sure what'f going on with you of late bud, you're usually one of the more level headed of posters around here. Ever since that call for a signing to be announced before the end of the season you seem to be getting into a tizz on a semi regular basis.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on June 02, 2017, 08:18:42 PM
See, this is why people cant be arsed with a transfer thread.

Just becomes a place for people to chat any old shite not relevant in anyway to the subject matter.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2017, 08:20:43 PM
I'm not arguing that Everton shouldn't be looking for the best deal possible, but that they should probably be arriving at that deal sooner.

Particularly when the player in question isn't making matchday squads and the only other serious interest is from a team like West Brom whom he's never going to move to anyway.

It takes two parties to make a deal though. I know it's fashionable at the moment to bash everyone concerned with Everton apart from Moshiri, although some have even progressed to that, but we ended up paying a fair price for a player from a club who were trying it on at first. £5m or so is still a fair chunk of money to us. I'm sure we were always going to do the deal as Koeman wanted him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on June 02, 2017, 11:02:54 PM
On a separate note, that WRD fella on another forum reckons we signed a left back last night but no names mentioned.

Charlie Taylor from Leeds? Or Mendy from Le Harve?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: everton1952 on June 02, 2017, 11:35:32 PM
It wasn't going to be long before doubts were raised about Koeman and Moshiri on here. I am relaxed that we have a very good manager and strong financial backing. Admittedly that backing will not be on the scale of Man City etc, but certainly far more than we have been used to. Relax and ignore the shite journalistic rumours. When there is something solid to be said, the club will say it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 03, 2017, 02:00:28 AM
I think the blues who talk about 'patience' a lot tend to be apologists and bend over backwards to excuse and explain away ineptitude but different strokes for different folks and all that.

Frankly, this is me and has been for the last 10 years at least.

Every signal summer I've convinced myself we were going to make a big, crucial signing that closes the gap between us and the teams above.

Fact is, we barely ever do. And when something doesn't come off I convince myself they are acting in our best interests and have been unlucky or outbid or made a tactical decision.

I've had enough tbh. No excuses for me from now on. Shit or get off the pot, they've made a rod for their own backs and they need to deliver.

Have a look at the attached - compare our squad to southhamptons, I have us up by one or two. We're going to have to kick on to stay in the same place, and I'm worried we won't.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on June 03, 2017, 02:13:31 AM
Have a look at the attached - compare our squad to southhamptons, I have us up by one or two. We're going to have to kick on to stay in the same place, and I'm worried we won't.

Thats bollocks though.  The only position theyre stronger is goalkeeper.  The rest arent even close.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 03, 2017, 02:39:25 AM
Thats bollocks though.  The only position theyre stronger is goalkeeper.  The rest arent even close.

Not so sure mate honestly I'm not.

Is there much difference between yoshida and jags / Williams in therms of age and ability?

Bertrand probably got more ahead of him in the next two years than Baines, coleamans injured for 6 months.

I prefer schneiderlin over Romeu but I bet some of them and some neutrals would disagree.

Davies v J Ward Prowse same scenario.

Redmond v Barkley, should be easy us but imo you'd find blues who'd say different!

Lukaku gabbiadini easy us.

Tadic mirallas 50/50 mate honestly.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on June 03, 2017, 04:07:55 AM
Not so sure mate honestly I'm not.

Is there much difference between yoshida and jags / Williams in therms of age and ability?

Bertrand probably got more ahead of him in the next two years than Baines, coleamans injured for 6 months.

I prefer schneiderlin over Romeu but I bet some of them and some neutrals would disagree.

Davies v J Ward Prowse same scenario.

Redmond v Barkley, should be easy us but imo you'd find blues who'd say different!

Lukaku gabbiadini easy us.

Tadic mirallas 50/50 mate honestly.

Ill give you Bertrand, but i wouldnt swap any of the rest.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 03, 2017, 07:42:14 PM
Ill give you Bertrand, but i wouldnt swap any of the rest.

You'd have my attention if you offered Tadic for Kev.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 03, 2017, 07:43:49 PM
Ill give you Bertrand, but i wouldnt swap any of the rest.

They'd likely say the same about lukaku and our squad to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 03, 2017, 08:14:56 PM
They'd likely say the same about lukaku and our squad to be fair.

We finished about 15pts in front of them didn't we.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 03, 2017, 08:41:21 PM
We finished about 15pts in front of them didn't we.

The Koeman effect.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2017, 09:10:49 PM
Frankly, this is me and has been for the last 10 years at least.

Every signal summer I've convinced myself we were going to make a big, crucial signing that closes the gap between us and the teams above.

Fact is, we barely ever do. And when something doesn't come off I convince myself they are acting in our best interests and have been unlucky or outbid or made a tactical decision.

I've had enough tbh. No excuses for me from now on. Shit or get off the pot, they've made a rod for their own backs and they need to deliver.

Have a look at the attached - compare our squad to southhamptons, I have us up by one or two. We're going to have to kick on to stay in the same place, and I'm worried we won't.

oh, this is definitely a "shit or get off the pot" window.  Even if Ross re-signs and Rom stays.  And I'd bite Soton's hand off if they offered us Tadic for Kev.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 03, 2017, 09:36:01 PM
We're the second club in what most people in Europe look at as a one club city.

A city which is cold, wet and perceived as just another northern backwater in the shadow of it's larger neighbour.

We've also not been very successful in recent decades.

We're just not an attractive proposition to players of a certain level.
We can blame the board if we want to, it's quite a popular pastime, but we aren't going to make this jump in one summer, or two, or even three probably.

It took Atletico for example a long time to put in place the right infrastructure to enable them to buy and invest wisely to build to where the are now, to genuinely compete with their richer neighbour.
It's going to take us as long too, in a much more competitive league.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 03, 2017, 09:48:50 PM
We finished about 15pts in front of them didn't we.

Yes. What about it?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: School of Science on June 03, 2017, 09:59:30 PM
We're the second club in what most people in Europe look at as a one club city.

A city which is cold, wet and perceived as just another northern backwater in the shadow of it's larger neighbour.

We've also not been very successful in recent decades.

We're just not an attractive proposition to players of a certain level.
We can blame the board if we want to, it's quite a popular pastime, but we aren't going to make this jump in one summer, or two, or even three probably.

It took Atletico for example a long time to put in place the right infrastructure to enable them to buy and invest wisely to build to where the are now, to genuinely compete with their richer neighbour.
It's going to take us as long too, in a much more competitive league.

.... But on the downside to that  :).  " A city which is cold wet and is perceived as just another northern backwater in the shadow of its larger neighbour " Ffs take it you've never worked for the tourist board then mate  lolol. After reading that I feel like ending it all.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 03, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
Yes. What about it?

Well it stands to reason we might have better players doesnt it. Unless theres a big factor elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 03, 2017, 10:29:07 PM
Well it stands to reason we might have better players doesnt it. Unless theres a big factor elsewhere.

7th word from the end of my sentence:
Lukaku

And, just as importantly, what @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) said
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 03, 2017, 10:32:45 PM
.... But on the downside to that  :).  " A city which is cold wet and is perceived as just another northern backwater in the shadow of its larger neighbour " Ffs take it you've never worked for the tourist board then mate  lolol. After reading that I feel like ending it all.

I always feel like ending it all, I feel like your city would suit me perfect like! :D
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 06, 2017, 02:05:39 AM
In answer to the original post, no, I don't feel this is the summer we will go wild and spend big.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 06, 2017, 03:18:47 AM
£60m for VVD and £200k p/w wages. Hmmm...we've REALLY got some fucking catching up to do!

I just hope we have a proper plan. Fuck knows how we're going to bring in the required quality and numbers, in this market.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 06, 2017, 03:20:20 AM
£60m for VVD and £200k p/w wages. Hmmm...we've REALLY got some fucking catching up to do!

I just hope we have a proper plan. Fuck knows how we're going to bring in the required quality and numbers, in this market.

I just fear we wont tbh. Just think with Elstone and Kenwright still here we wont kick on. We also have fuck all money compared to the top 6.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on June 06, 2017, 03:24:06 AM
The market for proven top players is outrageous. the market for not proven yet but very good is just as bad as the van Dijk nonsense and Stones transfer last year is anything to go by. it's why we recruited Walsh, to find the Mbappe's of this world before they wort 90M. When they more like 5-10M. It's hit and miss and bound to be a struggle but there really is no other hope.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 06, 2017, 03:31:30 AM
Maybe asking 100m for Rom is being gracious after all.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2017, 03:46:50 AM
Chill, we will strengthen, if the bigger boys wanna pay over the odds and offer obscene wages then so be it. Lets not panic
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 06, 2017, 04:07:20 AM
Numbers are crazy, but that's the game now

Everyone got a fortune in tv money, fees and wages are gonna be high, so we will have to spend big in order to compete

We're gonna have to face facts that were not gonna get good value for money. We're gonna over pay for almost everyone we sign

I just hope we prioritise the areas we need and find players that are gettable

Chances are these are players we are taking a bit of a risk on. Young unproven players, hidden gems from around the world, or players who have gone to big clubs and it hasn't worked out who neee regular football and have a point to prove. These are the types of players who we will probably be looking after

Once we're up against a side who can offer CL footy chances are we're gonna miss out so I hope we don't waste too much time negotiating for those types of players if they are unachievable
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Silas on June 06, 2017, 04:10:09 AM
I'm hoping we can pull out a few Arteta's, Pienaar's and Cahill's. I don't think there is much value for us in throwing money around if the players won't come. Go in for them by all means but there's nothing wrong with getting a Gueye for example.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2017, 04:18:22 AM
We're too late aren't we
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 06, 2017, 04:19:35 AM
We're too late aren't we

Pretty much the crux of it yeah.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on June 06, 2017, 04:19:47 AM
We're too late aren't we

No.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: School of Science on June 06, 2017, 04:21:42 AM
Trust us to get a billionaire after all these years of being skint, when money doesn't matter anymore.....Everton that.  :P
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 06, 2017, 04:22:07 AM
It would be the Most Everton Timeline.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 06, 2017, 04:45:59 AM
We just need to find 2 or 3 to bridge the gap. We are too poor not too late to bridge it without getting closer with clever recruitment first. We just have to do good business
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2017, 05:12:13 AM
Come on, lads, there is so much to be positive about.

Ambitious owner, a proper DOF and scouting system in place so we don't have to live and die by our manager, a quality manager who is here for two more years, a good youth system, a new stadium on the horizon, and we aren't skint anymore.

We just need optimism, an open mind, patience, and togetherness.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on June 06, 2017, 05:31:00 AM
Come on, lads, there is so much to be positive about.

Its a glass half full night.

Ambitious owner - I'd say all owners are ambitious
A proper DOF - We've a DOF who's never held that position previously.  Define 'proper'.
A scouting system in place so we don't have to live and die by our manager - Completely unproven so far
A quality manager who is here for two more years - And likely only 2 more years.  Not exactly selling 'the project' isit?
A good youth system - A very good youth system.
[Plans for] A [potential] new stadium on the horizon
And we aren't skint anymore.  And neither is anyone else.

We just need optimism, an open mind, patience, and togetherness - And 3 of the 6 teams above us to completely fuck up for 3 consecutive years.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 06, 2017, 05:36:55 AM
Its a glass half full night.

Ambitious owner - I'd say all owners are ambitious
A proper DOF - We've a DOF who's never held that position previously.  Define 'proper'.
A scouting system in place so we don't have to live and die by our manager - Completely unproven so far
A quality manager who is here for two more years - And likely only 2 more years.  Not exactly selling 'the project' isit?
A good youth system - A very good youth system.
[Plans for] A [potential] new stadium on the horizon
And we aren't skint anymore.  And neither is anyone else.

We just need optimism, an open mind, patience, and togetherness - And 3 of the 6 teams above us to completely fuck up for 3 consecutive years.

I know we are competing, or at least trying to, but comparison can be an ugly thing, especially when everyone else seems out of reach.

All we can do is concentrate on moving forward, and we are certainly attempting to do that, and are in a far healthier position than before Moshiri came on board.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2017, 05:40:39 AM
We just need to focus on the players the top teams don't deem good enough for them, either from them teams or elsewhere.

I'm confident we'll snap up the likes of Keane and Sigurdsson etc... this way, which is about our level and both would improve us.

We're just not big enough for the sexy signings unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 06, 2017, 05:45:54 AM
Its fucking June 5th lads.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: fubarruk on June 06, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
Its fucking June 5th lads.
And our season starts proper in 4 weeks
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 06, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
This transfer window is probably the biggest in the clubs premier league history. Lets see what happens in the next 90 days.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 06, 2017, 01:38:37 PM
Spurs and Leicester have both shown you don't need to spend mega money to have success. Less of the crying, eh - it'll be more fulfilling this way.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on June 06, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
Happy Summer Lids

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 06, 2017, 01:46:06 PM
In context of the original post 'Could this be the summer when we go mad and spend £100m?' - that statement seems utterly outdated, already. I'm sure we will spend £100m but the teams that already have better squads than us will spend 2 or 3 times that.
Just a sobering realisation that Moshiri's money won't gatecrash us into the top 4. We'll buy cheap and hope, just as we always have done.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
Its fucking June 5th lads.

It's a Summer Spending thread. What date should we start discussing transfers?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on June 06, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
And our season starts proper in 4 weeks

We don't even start pre season training (July 3rd) for another 4 or 5 weeks.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 06, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
7 weeks and 2 days our first competative game.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 06, 2017, 04:13:20 PM
It's a Summer Spending thread. What date should we start discussing transfers?
Im all for discussing transfers mate. Im just not for criticising the clubs transfer policy when there is just under 3 months of the transfer window left. If we go out of the Europa and fail to bring in targets by September we can then i have a breakdown. Not this early in June.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2017, 04:22:09 PM
And our season starts proper in 4 weeks

Errrrrr are you sure?

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 06, 2017, 04:53:39 PM
Errrrrr are you sure?



Think he's on the Mayan calendar....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: fubarruk on June 06, 2017, 05:00:00 PM
Errrrrr are you sure?
Are we not in the 2nd qualifying round of the Europa? If so then that begins 2nd week of July.

If not then I stand corrected, final qualifying round is late July.

Either way, next month, I rounded down....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: fubarruk on June 06, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
Think he's on the Mayan calendar....
Gave up on that when the world didn't end in 2012..
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2017, 05:04:53 PM
Im all for discussing transfers mate. Im just not for criticising the clubs transfer policy when there is just under 3 months of the transfer window left. If we go out of the Europa and fail to bring in targets by September we can then i have a breakdown. Not this early in June.

I'm not aware of anyone criticising the club's transfer policy. All I've read on here are people speculating what might happen. I can't say the same for GOT where heads are falling off already but by and large on here we're more of a level headed bunch.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: fubarruk on June 06, 2017, 05:05:13 PM
We don't even start pre season training (July 3rd) for another 4 or 5 weeks.
I stand corrected, thought we were in 2nd qualifying round for Europa when in fact it's the 3rd....

I'll get my coat
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
Its a marathon not a sprint, chill and relax, new signings will come

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 06, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
I feel we are not starting quickly because our needs cjange drastically whether or not Lukaku stays. I feel that will have to be sorted before anything else.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 06, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
I think it's almost impossible to start quickly due to our ambitions mean we aren't the players first choice. Players want to wait and consider their options. It's not the same with city for example
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on June 06, 2017, 07:50:18 PM
I think it's almost impossible to start quickly due to our ambitions mean we aren't the players first choice. Players want to wait and consider their options. It's not the same with city for example

This is why, we are down the queue and have to wait for what is left after the teams above us have done most of thier business.

It's the Domino effect, but we are maybe the fourth or fifth domino so have to wait our turn.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 06, 2017, 07:50:49 PM
Its a marathon not a sprint, chill and relax, new signings will come



Actually, it's a Snickers
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 06, 2017, 08:59:39 PM
And the theories have started, apparently we're skint so have to sell to generate funds for new players, that's why we're selling Lukaku, Moshiri is a huge fraud and isn't putting a single penny into the club blah blah blah verbal diarrhea........
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 06, 2017, 11:06:25 PM
And the theories have started, apparently we're skint so have to sell to generate funds for new players, that's why we're selling Lukaku, Moshiri is a huge fraud and isn't putting a single penny into the club blah blah blah verbal diarrhea........

Has anyone thought to discuss it with his niece on twitter.

Even if it was true and he wasn't investing massive amounts (which I don't believe it is) he'd still be a vast improvement on kenwright for how he's progressing us as a business

Sick of people crying because we won't go down the city route of making a statement by throwing a couple of hundred million at overrated over priced shite
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 06, 2017, 11:25:58 PM
Has anyone thought to discuss it with his niece on twitter.

Even if it was true and he wasn't investing massive amounts (which I don't believe it is) he'd still be a vast improvement on kenwright for how he's progressing us as a business

Sick of people crying because we won't go down the city route of making a statement by throwing a couple of hundred million at overrated over priced shite

It's the instant gratification world we live in. The social media generation of fans want it all and they want it now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: School of Science on June 06, 2017, 11:36:09 PM
This is why, we are down the queue and have to wait for what is left after the teams above us have done most of thier business.

It's the Domino effect, but we are maybe the fourth or fifth domino so have to wait our turn.

Yes we have to be 'realistic the CL teams have first bite of the cherry, frustrating but true.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on June 06, 2017, 11:52:17 PM
Think everyone is just a bit bored at the moment which translates itself into frustration.

I wanna see something actually happening. Confirmation a bid has been accepted, we're in talks with someone, even a Witsel like saga.

At the moment fuck all is being reported and it's a bit boring init.

There's no rush but Koeman did say he wants players in for pre season.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2017, 12:29:08 AM
Think everyone is just a bit bored at the moment which translates itself into frustration.

I wanna see something actually happening. Confirmation a bid has been accepted, we're in talks with someone, even a Witsel like saga.

At the moment fuck all is being reported and it's a bit boring init.

There's no rush but Koeman did say he wants players in for pre season.



I think the club have learnt from last year. Too many leaks so means too much frustration and anger when deals break down as do 80% of them.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on June 07, 2017, 02:18:47 AM
Has anyone thought to discuss it with his niece on twitter.

Even if it was true and he wasn't investing massive amounts (which I don't believe it is) he'd still be a vast improvement on kenwright for how he's progressing us as a business

Sick of people crying because we won't go down the city route of making a statement by throwing a couple of hundred million at overrated over priced shite

Take that back! I will not hear a bad word said against Roque Luis Santa Cruz Cantero, you hear me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 07, 2017, 02:30:34 AM
Take that back! I will not hear a bad word said against Roque Luis Santa Cruz Cantero, you hear me.

Good player for Bayern and was quality for Blackburn tbf
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 07, 2017, 02:32:31 AM
Think everyone is just a bit bored at the moment which translates itself into frustration.

I wanna see something actually happening. Confirmation a bid has been accepted, we're in talks with someone, even a Witsel like saga.
 

At the moment fuck all is being reported and it's a bit boring init.

There's no rush but Koeman did say he
wants players in for pre season.

 
I don't give a fu** what anyone thinks, we (or Steve Walsh) needs to get a move on. He should have some targets from January and previous already sown up to an extent. At the end of the season I thought we needed a keeper, left back competition, right back competition, at least one centre back, an attacking midfielder and a couple of forwards. Now our best 2 offensive players are on the verge of leaving and nerd replacing big time, that makes 9 in total. We're basically fighting like fu** just to stay were we are! I thought we'd have had a couple agreed baring in mind we start so early also. We don't do big transfer business quickly and efficiently if history is anything to go by..... It'll have to be some shift in gear if we are going to surprise and excite everyone at the club as promised!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2017, 02:47:37 AM

 
I don't give a fu** what anyone thinks, we (or Steve Walsh) needs to get a move on. He should have some targets from January and previous already sown up to an extent. At the end of the season I thought we needed a keeper, left back competition, right back competition, at least one centre back, an attacking midfielder and a couple of forwards. Now our best 2 offensive players are on the verge of leaving and nerd replacing big time, that makes 9 in total. We're basically fighting like fu** just to stay were we are! I thought we'd have had a couple agreed baring in mind we start so early also. We don't do big transfer business quickly and efficiently if history is anything to go by..... It'll have to be some shift in gear if we are going to surprise and excite everyone at the club as promised!

Go and have a smoke lad.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 07, 2017, 02:56:51 AM

 
I don't give a fu** what anyone thinks, we (or Steve Walsh) needs to get a move on. He should have some targets from January and previous already sown up to an extent. At the end of the season I thought we needed a keeper, left back competition, right back competition, at least one centre back, an attacking midfielder and a couple of forwards. Now our best 2 offensive players are on the verge of leaving and nerd replacing big time, that makes 9 in total. We're basically fighting like fu** just to stay were we are! I thought we'd have had a couple agreed baring in mind we start so early also. We don't do big transfer business quickly and efficiently if history is anything to go by..... It'll have to be some shift in gear if we are going to surprise and excite everyone at the club as promised!

you can say fuck you know...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 07, 2017, 03:00:35 AM
you can say fuck you know...


Haha thanks for the heads up, didn't want to get banned by the mods. Or are you setting me up? Actually you said fu** and you haven't been banned! Fuck it, fuck fuck fuckity fuck!! Aaaagh that's better!!
 
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2017, 03:02:49 AM
Whats fu**?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on June 07, 2017, 03:07:24 AM
Whats fu**?

GOT for fuck.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on June 07, 2017, 03:08:22 AM
GOT for fuck.

They swear on Game of Thrones don't they?   ;)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on June 07, 2017, 03:15:48 AM
They swear on Game of Thrones don't they?   ;)

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2017, 03:15:57 AM
you can say fuck you know...

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on June 07, 2017, 03:51:48 AM
Good player for Bayern and was quality for Blackburn tbf

I know it isnt all about goalscoring, they had some good strikers, he was young and clearly had talent...however he had a goal ratio of 1 every 5.5 games for Bayern. In 17 seasons in Europe he got double figures in all compeitions twice.....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 07, 2017, 04:22:52 AM
I know it isnt all about goalscoring, they had some good strikers, he was young and clearly had talent...however he had a goal ratio of 1 every 5.5 games for Bayern. In 17 seasons in Europe he got double figures in all compeitions twice.....

You don't play over 150 games for Munich if you're shit.

In 2 seasons at Blackburn he got almost 1 in 2 also.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on June 07, 2017, 04:39:16 AM
You don't play over 150 games for Munich if you're shit.

In 2 seasons at Blackburn he got almost 1 in 2 also.

He got 29 in 70 games for Blackburn so just worse than that, but did only score 6 in 27 in his second season at Blackburn. Dont get me wrong he was a decent player, good technically but his goal scoring record throughout his career was really poor, the one season at Blackburn where he scored 23 was completely out of line with the rest of his career from a goalscoring perspective.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2017, 05:25:17 AM
Slightly worried about how many attacking players we need to bring in and how slow we usually are at doing business

Assuming that we sell Lukaku, Niasse and Deulofeu, that Kone and Valencia aren't being offered deals, and that Bolasie and Lennon will be missing at the start of the season

This just leaves us with Barkley, Mirallas, Lookman and DCL for those attacking positions, unless I'm missing someone?

We could do with a good 4 or 5 attacking signings as well as some glaringly obvious additions needed further back in the shape of goalkeeper and centre back

Really hope there are deals we are working on and lots of targets lined up
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bally on June 07, 2017, 05:30:19 AM


Haha thanks for the heads up, didn't want to get banned by the mods. Or are you setting me up? Actually you said fu** and you haven't been banned! Fuck it, fuck fuck fuckity fuck!! Aaaagh that's better!!
 
Thanks again.
Mate you can use any profanity you want, as long as it's not racist, homophobic, xenophobic, Sexist, you can can say
Fuck
Twat
Cunt
Bollocks
Arse
Shit
Cockwomble
Express yourself man it's liberating
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on June 07, 2017, 05:35:20 AM
Can't see Lennon back anytime soon and what has happened to the Barkley deadline?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on June 07, 2017, 05:47:28 AM
Slightly worried about how many attacking players we need to bring in and how slow we usually are at doing business

Assuming that we sell Lukaku, Niasse and Deulofeu, that Kone and Valencia aren't being offered deals, and that Bolasie and Lennon will be missing at the start of the season

This just leaves us with Barkley, Mirallas, Lookman and DCL for those attacking positions, unless I'm missing someone?

We could do with a good 4 or 5 attacking signings as well as some glaringly obvious additions needed further back in the shape of goalkeeper and centre back

Really hope there are deals we are working on and lots of targets lined up

I don't know I would consider Lennon attacking anymore. Poor today we only have 4 based off that list.

Goes to show our squad needs massive investment regardless of if Lukaku leaves or not.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 01:32:49 PM
Strap yourselves in people

Everton manager Ronald Koeman will be allowed to spend a club record amount in the summer transfer window, with the Dutchman also set to offload a number of highly paid players. (Liverpool Echo)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2017, 01:58:55 PM
Strap yourselves in people

Everton manager Ronald Koeman will be allowed to spend a club record amount in the summer transfer window, with the Dutchman also set to offload a number of highly paid players. (Liverpool Echo)

Yeah, but I bet the most we've spent in a window before is like £45m last summer.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
I'm still sticking to my guns that we will have a net spend of 30million or less

I still think we are pretty much sell to buy

Moshiri is helping us become better commercially but this isn't gonna be a quick process where he's going to plough lots of money in himself. We aren't gonna see a Chelsea or a Man City here. Which morally is a good thing!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
I'm still sticking to my guns that we will have a net spend of 30million or less

I still think we are pretty much sell to buy

Moshiri is helping us become better commercially but this isn't gonna be a quick process where he's going to plough lots of money in himself. We aren't gonna see a Chelsea or a Man City here. Which morally is a good thing!

I think this but then I think - we wanted to pay £45m for koulibaly??
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on June 07, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
I'm still sticking to my guns that we will have a net spend of 30million or less

I still think we are pretty much sell to buy

Moshiri is helping us become better commercially but this isn't gonna be a quick process where he's going to plough lots of money in himself. We aren't gonna see a Chelsea or a Man City here. Which morally is a good thing!

It should be slightly higher than that, but only slightly.  But if we sell Ross and Lukaku as well as the deadwood then I can see us having a negative net spend.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2017, 02:14:06 PM
I think this but then I think - we wanted to pay £45m for koulibaly??

But the players who are touted as being that kind of fee we can't attract to join at the moment anyway. He ain't leaving Napoli for us is he
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 02:30:42 PM
We made 120 odd million from tv and that last season, add another 80 for Lukaku and possibly 30 for Barkley

SPEND THE FUCKING LOT
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2017, 02:32:28 PM
We made 120 odd million from tv and that last season, add another 80 for Lukaku and possibly 30 for Barkley

SPEND THE FUCKING LOT

Imagine if we spent 230million!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 02:33:43 PM
Imagine if we spent 230million!

How many McGeadys would that get us
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 07, 2017, 02:34:30 PM
We made 120 odd million from tv and that last season, add another 80 for Lukaku and possibly 30 for Barkley

SPEND THE FUCKING LOT
There isn't 120 mil sitting in the bank. You do realise we have outgoings don't you?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2017, 02:35:21 PM
Not really an issue if we don't have a large net spend is it? It's the quality of our recruitment that counts and the big wedge we get from Lukaku will distort the figures, making it look like we've not done decent business when we probably will have expanded the squad massively.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 02:35:27 PM
There isn't 120 mil sitting in the bank. You do realise we have outgoings don't you?

Of course I do, I was just being sarcastic, I've heard it's good for morale
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 07, 2017, 02:38:49 PM
Not really an issue if we don't have a large net spend is it? It's the quality of our recruitment that counts and the big wedge we get from Lukaku will distort the figures, making it look like we've not done decent business when we probably will have expanded the squad massively.

As long as we come out of the summer with a stronger squad then that's fine

If we come out significantly weaker and not having spent much then I think people are entitled to be a bit pissed off

I don't think we can buy success. Would be amazing if we could do it through having a strong youth system in place as well as good management. We need to be stronger every window though
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 02:41:09 PM
I'm quite confident that we will come out of the window a lot stronger, despite losing Lukaku
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
I still think Keane will come here because all the other options for him seem to be dwindling and he's a regular starter here.

Over and above that I've no idea what business we'll do. Not even Rooney is nailed on really.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 02:43:24 PM
I still think Keane will come here because all the other options for him seem to be dwindling and he's a regular starter here.

Over and above that I've no idea what business we'll do. Not even Rooney is nailed on really.

Agree about Keane, I think we will see a few surprise signings as well, there is value out there, Gana is proof of that
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Waltzer on June 07, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
As long as we come out of the summer with a stronger squad then that's fine

If we come out significantly weaker and not having spent much then I think people are entitled to be a bit pissed off

I don't think we can buy success. Would be amazing if we could do it through having a strong youth system in place as well as good management. We need to be stronger every window though

If our real intentions are really to break into the top 4 then the squad, and more importantly the first 11, needs to be significantly stronger than we ended last season. There is a need to recruit quickly too as we need a majority of new first team players to bed in, I dont think its a case of just giving better depth to the squad.
If we kept Ross and Rom I think we needed a minimum of 4 first team additions, with the prospect of them leaving makes thats 6 which is a massive overhaul which needs to be finalised before the season starts otherwise we'll potentially write this season off in terms of challenging for the top 4.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on June 07, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
Agree about Keane, I think we will see a few surprise signings as well, there is value out there, Gana is proof of that

let's see if Walshie can justify the club putting him on the payroll and pull a few gems out the bag
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 02:47:36 PM
I'd be quite content with Keane, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Suarez, Neymar, Isco, Iniesta and a GK

What?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Buck76 on June 07, 2017, 02:48:59 PM
When you look at the squad and the dead wood or players rumoured to leave or not fancied we need some major numbers...

This is an extreme list of potential outs but demonstraits the size of job Walsh's team are looking at....

G-Robles
D-Garbutt
D-Jags
M-Barkley
M-Grant
M-McCarthy
M-Lennon
M-Barry
F-Lukaku
F-Deulofeu
F-Kone
F-Niasse
F-McAleny
F-Rodriguez
 F-Tarashaj

Now we have some great kids coming through and maybe we keep hold of a few but we need major investment in this over inflated market which is pretty daunting considering the quantity of quality we require.
Title: Summer Spending
Post by: Hesmenos on June 07, 2017, 03:05:39 PM
I can't see us getting any of our top targets in early. With all of this new money coming in, I reckon most teams will wait to see what the real level of the market is first before agreeing to sell.
1 month ago 25 Million seemed enough to buy Sigurdsson but now you see 35-40 M being mentioned. If Van Dijk then goes for 60M they would feel like mugs for accepting 40M.
Unless a team is desperate to get rid, or there's a release clause involved, I'd be surprised to see much business in June.
Title: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 07, 2017, 03:28:13 PM
I'd be quite content with Keane, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Suarez, Neymar, Isco, Iniesta and a GK

What?

Nah, Iniesta is too old, plus Sigurdsson can do what he does plus more besides  :whistle:
Title: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 07, 2017, 06:39:29 PM
We need to get moving quickly, as much as anything to keep faith in 'the Moshiri project'.

We were told we would spend big last summer, we didn't really. We were told the Barkley situation would be resolved by the last game...nothing. We were told Rom had 2 years left and would be staying...that looks rather unlikely now.

The credibility of this new direction is still somewhat in doubt, and we start our season in about 6 weeks. Time to get transfers sorted, and to give the fans something concrete to believe in.
Title: Summer Spending
Post by: Trowel on June 07, 2017, 06:56:08 PM
I'd be quite content with Keane, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Suarez, Neymar, Isco, Iniesta and a GK

What?
Be realistic mate - no chance we'll sign a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 08, 2017, 02:27:57 PM
Is anyone else a little bit excited about the new few weeks, I'm like a kid at Christmas for some reason, be interesting to see who we bring in once Lukaku has fucked off. Koemans back from his hols next week as well
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Morta75 on June 08, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
I am super excited to see what happen the next few weeks.
I think that Everton will not confirm the Lukaku sale before they have the replacment in place. Not to big fan off Rooney coming back, I would prefere that we try to sign Martial of Man.utd. Still young and loads of potential, but if he would consider going to us is another question.
Would also like to see Everton try to sign some of the players mention under
- Fraser Foster
- Corentin Tolisso
- Sander Berge (young for the future)
- Gylfi Sigurdsson
- M. Batshuayi
- Micheal Keane
- Chris Smalling
- James Ward Prowse
- Riyad Mahrez
- Andre Gray
- Hakan Calhanoglu
Loan bid for 1 off these 2
- Renato Sanches
- Thiago Alcántara

Give youngster like
Lookman
Dowell
Kenny
more chances on the first team next season.

Out with
Lukaku
Niasse
Kone
Robles
McGeady
McCarthy
Barry
Lennon
Maybe Barkley if not signing new contract
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on June 08, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10907960/milan-make-163-39m-belotti-bid

Not a bad player
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on June 08, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10907960/milan-make-163-39m-belotti-bid

Not a bad player

boss at singing with Sarah Brightman too
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: everton1952 on June 08, 2017, 03:52:00 PM
We will spend around £200m this summer and recoup about £110m. Net spend £90m.  Good business that with loads in hand to spend for the season after next. 2018/2019 we might be knocking at the door of 4th/5th place.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 08, 2017, 04:50:33 PM
Costa to Atletico, can't play until January, so a cheeky six month loan to keep him fresh and fit.....

or any player that Atletico sign....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 08, 2017, 05:05:15 PM
Costa to Atletico, can't play until January, so a cheeky six month loan to keep him fresh and fit.....

or any player that Atletico sign....

It's not a bad idea in principle. No footballer wants to be sat on his arse but you don't want to use up one of your loan quotas on a 5 month stint. Sandro on loan from Atletico for the season works for all parties.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 08, 2017, 09:57:09 PM
It's not a bad idea in principle. No footballer wants to be sat on his arse but you don't want to use up one of your loan quotas on a 5 month stint. Sandro on loan from Atletico for the season works for all parties.

Has Sandro signed for them now? Is that 1 over and done with 😕
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 08, 2017, 10:40:57 PM
Is anyone else a little bit excited about the new few weeks, I'm like a kid at Christmas for some reason, be interesting to see who we bring in once Lukaku has fucked off. Koemans back from his hols next week as well
TBH, last summer broke me a bit. I'm just a bit apprehensive at the size of the task at the moment. We need quality AND quantity. Once the first quality signing comes in, I'll get excited.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 08, 2017, 11:18:49 PM
TBH, last summer broke me a bit. I'm just a bit apprehensive at the size of the task at the moment. We need quality AND quantity. Once the first quality signing comes in, I'll get excited.

Genuinely think we'll do very well this window. Lots of quality and our record will go 3 times if we sign them in the right order.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 09, 2017, 12:00:39 AM
Costa to Atletico, can't play until January, so a cheeky six month loan to keep him fresh and fit.....


That's actually a really good shout.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 09, 2017, 12:15:57 AM
That's actually a really good shout.

It's really not.

I remember this shite from when turan went to Barca, but it just doesn't really happen does it?

They'd probably rather he was bedding in and learning how to play with his teammates than risking injury for no reason.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 09, 2017, 01:26:27 AM


They'd probably rather he was bedding in and learning how to play with his teammates than risking injury for no reason.

If that would even be allowed, not sure on how wide the ban stretches.


Edit: Also it's not really up to 'them' is it.
If they can't sign him, then he's Chelsea's player until Atletico are in a position to buy him.

Why would Chelsea want to pay £X amount a month for a player that will play absolutely no part in their team for 5 or 6 months. They could just loan him out for a few months and take him off the wage bill until they sell him.
Not saying it will be to us, but it makes complete sense to do that, if Costa agrees obviously.

Edit again: I have no clue how the ban works. It seems that they might actually still be able to sign them, just not register him for a few months. but he's come out and said he doesn't want to miss 5 to 6 months of football, so it's still a possibility.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 09, 2017, 01:43:18 AM
Well fair enough but I'll eat my own knob if it happens.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on June 09, 2017, 02:12:06 AM
Well fair enough but I'll eat my own knob if it happens.

Get the brown sauce ready
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 09, 2017, 02:30:00 AM
Well fair enough but I'll eat my own knob if it happens.

I often make that statement.

If it did happen would you try and get the tip in?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2017, 02:36:34 AM
That's actually a really good shout.

It's really not. Where do Atletico find £70m quid from if they're not selling Griezmann.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 09, 2017, 02:55:27 AM
It's really not. Where do Atletico find £70m quid from if they're not selling Griezmann.

They probably made that by making the CL Semis.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Rhys on June 09, 2017, 04:27:48 AM
Either way, even if they did sign Costa and loan him out which i dont think would happen as they wont want him breaking a leg or knee ligament injury before he played for them...if he was going on loan as always we would be so low down on the list of clubs he'd consider going on loan to.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 09, 2017, 07:27:22 AM
Have to say, I'm starting to flap over our lack of movement.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on June 09, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
Have to say, I'm starting to flap over our lack of movement.
...............surprised to hear SSN saying the transfer window is open as of today ,rather than 1st July. Probably get 2 or 3 in by lunchtime !
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 09, 2017, 03:15:45 PM
I am super excited to see what happen the next few weeks.
I think that Everton will not confirm the Lukaku sale before they have the replacment in place. Not to big fan off Rooney coming back, I would prefere that we try to sign Martial of Man.utd. Still young and loads of potential, but if he would consider going to us is another question.
Would also like to see Everton try to sign some of the players mention under
- Fraser Foster
- Corentin Tolisso
- Sander Berge (young for the future)
- Gylfi Sigurdsson
- M. Batshuayi
- Micheal Keane
- Chris Smalling
- James Ward Prowse
- Riyad Mahrez
- Andre Gray
- Hakan Calhanoglu
Loan bid for 1 off these 2
- Renato Sanches
- Thiago Alcántara

Give youngster like
Lookman
Dowell
Kenny
more chances on the first team next season.

Out with
Lukaku
Niasse
Kone
Robles
McGeady
McCarthy
Barry
Lennon
Maybe Barkley if not signing new contract


You want us to loan Bayerns star midfielder?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 09, 2017, 03:20:01 PM
Have to say, I'm starting to flap over our lack of movement.

Calm down, apart from City making a big statement and Liverpool signing another expensive wide player there's nothing happening.

Unless we're all gutted we've missed out on Atsu, Fletcher and Begovic?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2017, 04:02:10 PM
The shite have only signed Solanke haven't they?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 09, 2017, 04:26:42 PM
The shite have only signed Solanke haven't they?

Yes, but Klopp has been texting and meeting up with various other players, buying them candy floss and taking them on the big one in Blackpool, the naughty German
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 09, 2017, 04:32:31 PM
The shite have only signed Solanke haven't they?

I thought they'd got the Salah deal over the line. If they haven't, even less reason for people to flap.

It's fucking June
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Morta75 on June 09, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
You want us to loan Bayerns star midfielder?
Yes Renato Sanches I think could well be heading out on loan next season 17 matches played last season in Bundesliga. Thiago I agree was maybe a little bit out off line. Did not think he played as much as 27 games in Bundesliga last season + 7 games i CL so that is not gone happen. My mistake for not checking good enough prior to posting...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 09, 2017, 05:29:48 PM
Yes Renato Sanches I think could well be heading out on loan next season 17 matches played last season in Bundesliga. Thiago I agree was maybe a little bit out off line. Did not think he played as much as 27 games in Bundesliga last season + 7 games i CL so that is not gone happen. My mistake for not checking good enough prior to posting...

Think Sanchez will go teams above us, wouldn't be surprised see him go Monaco as they look to need to be replacing a shitload if their players with quality.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 09, 2017, 06:46:59 PM
You want us to loan Bayerns star midfielder?

He isn't playing and looks to be on his way out.

Too much too soon.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 09, 2017, 09:18:55 PM
Too much too soon.

that's what she said.

sorry
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
So when are we gonna buy some players then? I know some people get tetchy when that's asked, but isn't it the time we need to get our arses into gear. Pre-season starts in a few weeks, our actual season starts in about 6 or 7 weeks. Received wisdom is that we need a bare minimum of 5 players, maybe upto 7 or 8. We don't even seem to be getting seriously linked with anyone. All a bit too quiet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2017, 09:58:56 PM
The initial players we were linked with have come to nothing, so far (Sandro, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Martina), we've had no movement on Barkley and our star striker is off, leaving an unproven 20 year old with only a handful of games under his belt as our only striker. I know it's still early but it all just feels so typically Everton.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 09, 2017, 11:44:19 PM
The initial players we were linked with have come to nothing, so far (Sandro, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Martina), we've had no movement on Barkley and our star striker is off, leaving an unproven 20 year old with only a handful of games under his belt as our only striker. I know it's still early but it all just feels so typically Everton.

Has sandro signed for atletico? I saw a rumour he was having a medical then nothing since. Is that deal done?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 09, 2017, 11:48:41 PM
Has sandro signed for atletico? I saw a rumour he was having a medical then nothing since. Is that deal done?

No idea mate but there's been nothing mentioning his name and Everton in the same sentence for a while.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2017, 12:49:07 AM
No idea mate but there's been nothing mentioning his name and Everton in the same sentence for a while.

No it's just completely disappeared. Why I kind of assumed he'd signed but couldn't find confirmation of that either
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: School of Science on June 10, 2017, 12:55:20 AM
We really need a statement signing, someone to make people to sit up and take notice.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 10, 2017, 03:43:46 AM
He isn't playing and looks to be on his way out.

Too much too soon.

If he was on the way out Guardiola would snap him up within 5 minutes, Sanches wouldn't be that unrealistic.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 10, 2017, 03:45:00 AM
He isn't playing and looks to be on his way out.

Too much too soon.

Just realised you probably thought I was talking about Sanches, he said Thiago.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 10, 2017, 05:35:54 AM
Just realised you probably thought I was talking about Sanches, he said Thiago.

Sorry lad my fault
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on June 10, 2017, 04:06:54 PM
Lets not panic just as yet, other than man city none of the sides above us have brought in players.
We'll probably have 2-3 key players in before pre season starts. For others we'll probably need to be patient right up until the window shuts
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on June 10, 2017, 05:55:12 PM
Lets not panic just as yet, other than man city none of the sides above us have brought in players.
We'll probably have 2-3 key players in before pre season starts. For others we'll probably need to be patient right up until the window shuts
................... we need to bring in 5 players just to get us back to 'strength ' when Barkley and Lukaku go and until Coleman ,F-M ,and Bolassie come back.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 10:28:39 PM
He's such a prick tease

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/874631965118537728
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2017, 10:30:12 PM
He's such a prick tease

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/874631965118537728

Klassen
Sigs
Martina
Keane
Sandro
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 10:32:08 PM
You would think the c£70m or so for Lukaku is in the bag then. I know we said we have money to spend but we still have to play within the FFP regulations.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
If that was the list (or something similar), I think we'd be keeping Big Rom
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on June 13, 2017, 10:33:37 PM
He's such a prick tease

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/874631965118537728

He's literally got nothing right about Everton these last 12 months. That said weve probably bid for 5 players yeah

we need 8 or 9 signings this summer though at least, especially if Barkley & Lukaku go
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on June 13, 2017, 10:36:47 PM
You would think the c£70m or so for Lukaku is in the bag then. I know we said we have money to spend but we still have to play within the FFP regulations.

If it's the players I've mentioned I'd say that's taking into account Lukaku staying and Barkley going?

Then should we sell Lukaku, Walsh and Koeman have a list of strikers they're ready to go for if there's enough time.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Klassen
Sigs
Martina
Keane
Sandro

What about Giroud?  If Rom is still going, as one assumes to be the case.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 13, 2017, 10:39:16 PM
You would think the c£70m or so for Lukaku is in the bag then. I know we said we have money to spend but we still have to play within the FFP regulations.

Got loads of FFP room according to people who know a lot more about it than me. Pretty much not an issue, if they are correct.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2017, 10:39:32 PM
If that was the list (or something similar), I think we'd be keeping Big Rom

I would love to cling to that slender reed of hope, but I presume it means 5 in addition to what's already pretty much done?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 13, 2017, 10:41:45 PM
You would think the c£70m or so for Lukaku is in the bag then. I know we said we have money to spend but we still have to play within the FFP regulations.
Should be plenty of elbow room though, considering we have a pretty small squad anyway and got rid of loads of players in Jan. There will be more departures this summer, too, not including Ross or Rom. Think we'll see at least 8 players come in.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 13, 2017, 10:45:45 PM
Keane next please
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2017, 11:00:26 PM
Assuming Sandro signs, then I think it's (Barkley or Sigurdsson).

Assuming Rom goes (95% likely, though if Chelsea don't pay up, too damned bad), I'd like to bring in Giroud and a Batshuayi-type.

Sell McCarthy, keep Besic, see if he can come back healthy for a squad depth role.

Let Jags, Williams, and Funes Mori all fight it out for the CB2 role (beside Lemos or Keane).  Runner-up mentors Holgate as part of the back-up/Cup tie pairing.  Loser goes to the Everton farm in the country and awaits January transfer window (absent injuries).

Does that seem like a reasonable wish list from here on out?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 13, 2017, 11:04:25 PM
Every times he's tweeted abiut us he has been wrong
He needs to fuck off
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 13, 2017, 11:19:46 PM
I hope Moshiri has learnt from last time and isn't texting the bell end.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: gizzblue on June 13, 2017, 11:28:38 PM
That aforementioned five signings should be the minimum in this window ....but we've now gone 6-1 odds for Giroud too ....he's a good signing for any prem team ...and with the added ecl games were gonna need a few more too .
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on June 13, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
That aforementioned five signings should be the minimum in this window ....but we've now gone 6-1 odds for Giroud too ....he's a good signing for any prem team ...and with the added ecl games were gonna need a few more too .
Id be surprised if Giroud ended up here, be delighted if he did though probably guarantees 15-20 goals if he plays, I see him going back to France though tbh.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Liam on June 13, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
You would think the c£70m or so for Lukaku is in the bag then. I know we said we have money to spend but we still have to play within the FFP regulations.

No we don't Financial Fair Pay is pretty much dead and buried. Too many clubs taking UEFA to court so they have swept it under the carpet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 13, 2017, 11:41:40 PM
That aforementioned five signings should be the minimum in this window ....but we've now gone 6-1 odds for Giroud too ....he's a good signing for any prem team ...and with the added ecl games were gonna need a few more too .

I'd put $20 (or whatever that is in British money) down on that!  I think we have a good sales pitch to make, as the club best positioned for him to stick it to Arsenal/Wenger.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 14, 2017, 12:03:49 AM
I'd put $20 (or whatever that is in British money) down on that!  I think we have a good sales pitch to make, as the club best positioned for him to stick it to Arsenal/Wenger.

Right now, about £15.50
Post Brexit.....probably £100
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trowel on June 14, 2017, 12:44:20 AM
He's such a prick tease

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/874631965118537728
I'm expecting the photo unveiling our new signings to look like the cover of Sgt. Pepper.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on June 14, 2017, 01:33:25 AM
Is the Rooney deal dead in the water now or? Gone quiet on that one
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 14, 2017, 01:39:01 AM
Is the Rooney deal dead in the water now or? Gone quiet on that one

Hopefully
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on June 14, 2017, 01:49:16 AM
https://twitter.com/deepxg/status/874569949775310848 (https://twitter.com/deepxg/status/874569949775310848)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 14, 2017, 02:00:51 AM
He's such a prick tease

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/874631965118537728

He's such a prick full-stop.

However, five would be my minimum wish if Lukaku and Barkley remain.

Klassen is for competition with Davies surely, with Sigurdsson competing with/replacing Barkley.

If Lukaku goes, we need two strikers minimum, especially with no Niasse, Kone, or Valencia either.

And Barkley will likely go, along with Deulofeu, and of course Bolasie is a long way off coming back.

Even if Lukaku stays and Barkley leaves, I would like our list to be something like:

Pickford
Klassen
Keane
Lemos
Sigurdsson
Sandro
Ghezzal
Abraham/Iheanacho

If Lukaku goes, Batshuayi or Giroud should be on the radar.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2017, 02:20:08 AM
You could probably add another £15m or so in the kitty for James McCarthy as well as I would imagine half a dozen games a season again doesn't work when we have over 60 games to play this year.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2017, 02:28:28 AM
That Giroud fella looks decent like
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on June 14, 2017, 02:30:05 AM
The French team has some brilliant players. France B would make a pretty decent team too. Should be looking at some of those.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on June 14, 2017, 02:32:43 AM
Cleverley 8 mill - 55k saved on wages
McGeady 2 mill  - 50k saved on wages
Niasse 10mill - 55k saved on wages
McCarthy 15-20mill - 40k wages?
Deulofeu 10-20mill - 40k wages?
Kone released - 40k saved
valencia loan return - 40k saved

if all or 90% of those go, weve barely spent a penny (net) even when Klassen, Pickford & Sandro arrive

then the potential sales of:

Lukaku - 70-85mill? - 80k wages
Barkley -30-35mill? - 60k wages
Robles?
Mori?
Besic?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: plumber on June 14, 2017, 02:40:11 AM
Who on earth would pay 10 million for Niasse?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 14, 2017, 02:40:19 AM
Someone needs castrating for some of the wages on offer there.

boaty mcboatface
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on June 14, 2017, 02:43:46 AM
Who on earth would pay 10 million for Niasse?
Hull had an agreement for 10mill if they stayed up? Scored 5/6 goals for them, likes of west ham will probably end up with him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 14, 2017, 02:44:46 AM
Be interesting to see who takes a punt on Niasse
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on June 14, 2017, 02:45:24 AM
Who on earth would pay 10 million for Niasse?

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02582/roberto-martinez_2582010b.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 14, 2017, 02:55:51 AM
He's such a prick tease

https://twitter.com/JimWhite/status/874631965118537728

I hope we get our business done good and proper long before his deadline day wankathon.  Hope Moshiri gives him a ring live on air that night and tells him to put it away.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: plumber on June 14, 2017, 03:04:53 AM
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02582/roberto-martinez_2582010b.jpg)

Could we get Belgian passport somehow for Niasse?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on June 14, 2017, 06:32:18 AM
5 players after Pickford? 


Keane
Smalling
Sandro
Klassen
Martina


Hopefully add Giroud into that and that's a good looking new look side.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 14, 2017, 12:26:42 PM
Cleverley 8 mill - 55k saved on wages
McGeady 2 mill  - 50k saved on wages
Niasse 10mill - 55k saved on wages
McCarthy 15-20mill - 40k wages?
Deulofeu 10-20mill - 40k wages?
Kone released - 40k saved
valencia loan return - 40k saved

if all or 90% of those go, weve barely spent a penny (net) even when Klassen, Pickford & Sandro arrive

then the potential sales of:

Lukaku - 70-85mill? - 80k wages
Barkley -30-35mill? - 60k wages
Robles?
Mori?
Besic?
Joel has 1 year left on his contract and won't be offered/signing a new one if we get Pickford. We'll have to sell rather than him leave for nothing next summer. We need more than 2 keepers so he'll have to be replaced.

We need at least 8 players. Think we'll sign 10-12, including Donkor and some academy prospects. Absolute FM scenes!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2017, 07:38:24 PM
Walsh has booked a personal trip to seal the Geri transfer so he can meet the wife out there and share a room on work expenses. We've all done it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2017, 08:34:55 PM
https://twitter.com/J4MESMITCHELL/status/874968277885353984
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2017, 08:38:04 PM
One thing all this transfer activity brings home is that we're a totally different club than we used to be, and the Moshiri era is well underway (as if there was any doubt anyway).

Obviously we need to get some deals finalised to confirm that, but just the way the club is behaving in the transfer market is so different.

Massive fee for a keeper, trying to get the captain of Ajax, competing with Atletico (not fucking West Ham) for another player, having meetings with groups of top Italian clubs.

It's fucking great!

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 14, 2017, 08:40:13 PM
One thing all this transfer activity brings home is that we're a totally different club than we used to be, and the Moshiri era is well underway (as if there was any doubt anyway).

Obviously we need to get some deals finalised to confirm that, but just the way the club is behaving in the transfer market is so different.

Massive fee for a keeper, trying to get the captain of Ajax, competing with Atletico (not fucking West Ham) for another player, having meetings with groups of top Italian clubs.

It's fucking great!



It's certainly something that none of us are used to
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 14, 2017, 09:19:57 PM
Makes a change seeing this much movement in mid-June as opposed to middle of August.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: formerKHL on June 14, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Makes a change seeing this much movement in mid-June as opposed to middle of August.

EDIT: end of august....too late...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: pjk on June 15, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
It's quite impressive, it's such a necessary mixed blend of youth, experience and just coming toward their peak quality, we're chasing after. I've seen this before in the sixties. I didn't recognise it then. (I was too young.) Now I look back on it though, it's very similar to what we did then. I can tell you from experience, with 50,000 plus crowds, we were motivated happy Evertonians. And we put some real quality sides together. The main difference with today's rebuilding programme is, it's global and more continental.:)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 16, 2017, 12:02:37 AM
Would very much like some links to some wingers and strikers to salivate over soon.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 16, 2017, 03:27:46 AM
I absolutely love the fact that Steven Pienaar retweeted this!!

https://twitter.com/lowergwladyslad/status/875432455074873345
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2017, 04:22:42 AM
Seems as though Moshiri coming out publicly last season after how much of a farce the summer window was and vowed that he wanted answers and would never let it happen again, well he is true to his word, he must have bashed some serious domes last season and it's worked. Their arses are well and truly in gear this time around.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: toffee_scot on June 16, 2017, 04:25:12 AM
Wow we mean business this summer - and the window is not open for another 2 weeks!

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2017, 04:26:04 AM
https://twitter.com/EFC_Statto/status/875459049646632961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23875459049646632961
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on June 16, 2017, 04:50:40 AM
https://twitter.com/EFC_Statto/status/875459049646632961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23875459049646632961

Fuck off Moshiri you fraud, and take Kenwrong with you as well. :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on June 16, 2017, 04:54:15 AM
Would very much like some links to some wingers and strikers to salivate over soon.

This. All we have is Kev and Bolaise assuming Del Boy leaves
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Tinga on June 16, 2017, 04:54:31 AM
I think this is what I expected last season, glad we're really kicking into gear now. So exciting!.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 16, 2017, 04:58:06 AM
As if we're gonna have all our business done by the end of June. Absolutely mental scenes. Poor Steve Walsh hasn't a clue what day it is at the minute.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 16, 2017, 05:03:58 AM
Can you imagine what deadline day is going to be like!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2017, 05:05:40 AM
Can you imagine what deadline day is going to be like!

Probably dull if this early business is anything to go by.

Would be nice to pull of a "Robinho" style signing out of nowhere like City did that time.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on June 16, 2017, 05:08:05 AM
It's funny reading other forums

"It's the Lukaku money"
"Is the Barkley money"
"It's still the Stones money"

Opposition fans are in for a fucking shock this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: arteta4spain on June 16, 2017, 05:09:17 AM
Can you imagine what deadline day is going to be like!
Rom signs a new contract!! Imagine the scenes! 😂😂
Doubt it like but that would put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons. 😂😂
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 16, 2017, 05:10:38 AM
Can you imagine what deadline day is going to be like!
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o7qDXEDBeVQ4pISkw/200w.gif)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on June 16, 2017, 05:19:22 AM
Can you imagine what deadline day is going to be like!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/rq6c5xD7leHW8/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on June 16, 2017, 05:37:50 AM
FFS it's been over an hour since our last signing was announced. Why haven't we announced another? Everton that!!!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 16, 2017, 05:39:47 AM
FFS it's been over an hour since our last signing was announced. Why haven't we announced another? Everton that!!!!

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/Cozzie/moshiri_zpsfwnxcstn.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 16, 2017, 05:59:01 AM
I can honestly say that i haven't felt joy like this as an Evertonian for a while, the feel good factor is back!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 16, 2017, 06:31:30 AM
If nothing else, signings like Pickford and Klaassen will go a long way towards cementing us a way ahead of the rest of the pack.

The sooner we're seen as bottom of the top 7 and not as on the same level as Southampton, Leicester, West Ham and Newcastle the better.

If Spurs can break their way into the leading pack, there's absolutely nothing stopping us from doing the same.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: cantoffee on June 16, 2017, 09:37:13 AM
I absolutely love the fact that Steven Pienaar retweeted this!!

https://twitter.com/lowergwladyslad/status/875432455074873345
Also told him to stay off the bevy!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Fynci on June 16, 2017, 01:42:48 PM
FFS it's been over an hour since our last signing was announced. Why haven't we announced another? Everton that!!!!

Just woke up, truly saddened that we haven't brought in two more overnight.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: pjk on June 16, 2017, 06:49:54 PM
The fab four.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Up the fucking toffees pic.twitter.com/aZ1RGALIQo (https://t.co/aZ1RGALIQo)</p>&mdash; michael devereau (@mickdev2000) June 15, 2017 (https://twitter.com/mickdev2000/status/875397585254699008)
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on June 16, 2017, 07:38:32 PM
I absolutely love the fact that Steven Pienaar retweeted this!!

https://twitter.com/lowergwladyslad/status/875432455074873345

Haha!  YES!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k0-g8ErYddA/UXXXBP6QShI/AAAAAAAAAB4/RA8Czx5Ziq0/s1600/dr-dre-guess.who-s-back.gif)

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lincs Toffee on June 16, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
Lots of emphasis on midfield and forward players, I would like to see a few more links to the defensive side, I know we have Keane linked, but I'm not happy with a line up of Keane, Jags, Williams, Holgate and FM...unless i've missed someone else that we have been linked with.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on June 16, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
 :whistle:Ronaldo wants to leave madrid, worth a punt  :whistle:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on June 17, 2017, 01:09:47 AM
great week to be fair, few arses were starting to twitch early doors so reassuring to know the delegation is on it this Summer, interesting times ahead
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 17, 2017, 05:09:16 AM
Well, if Niang's been swerved, I want us to nab Sandro, Keane, Berardi, Dendoncker, Ghezzal, Bacca, and Lemos next ☺️
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on June 17, 2017, 05:09:49 AM
Well, if Niang's been swerved, I want us to nab Sandro, Keane, Berardi, Dendoncker, Ghezzal, Bacca, and Lemos next ☺️

All in by tomorrow too
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on June 17, 2017, 05:15:40 AM
All in by tomorrow too

Lunchtime.

And that's just for starters.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 17, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
All in by tomorrow too
Or moshiri is a fraud
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on June 18, 2017, 04:22:03 AM
https://twitter.com/JM1TTY/status/876171291388235777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23876171291388235777

Elstones face!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on June 18, 2017, 04:36:17 AM
Oh Moshiri dancing is the best!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue1948 on June 18, 2017, 11:08:08 AM
Loved that ,even Joel between the sticks .Brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on June 18, 2017, 02:18:50 PM
One for the future - ginger hair is a good omen !!!

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/15350904.Carnforth_youngster_travels_the_world_with_Everton_team/?ref=mmsp
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 18, 2017, 06:29:21 PM
One of the best bits about our spending so far is seeing us signing players of a good age again, most of our star players of the Moyes era were signed at 23-25.

You get the best years out of them and if they do want to move on you get big money for them in their prime, our squad was allowed to decay into low value sell on value players by Martinez and to an extent Moyes towards the end.

Klaassen 24 and Pickford 23.

Dolberg 19, Sigurdsson 27, Keane 24, Jorgensen 26, Sandro 23 all being linked.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 18, 2017, 07:22:41 PM
One of the best bits about our spending so far is seeing us signing players of a good age again, most of our star players of the Moyes era were signed at 23-25.

You get the best years out of them and if they do want to move on you get big money for them in their prime, our squad was allowed to decay into low value sell on value players by Martinez and to an extent Moyes towards the end.

Klaassen 24 and Pickford 23.

Dolberg 19, Sigurdsson 27, Keane 24, Jorgensen 26, Sandro 23 all being linked.



We been linked with Dolberg? He's gonna be a great player
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluebridge on June 18, 2017, 08:14:21 PM
One of the best bits about our spending so far is seeing us signing players of a good age again, most of our star players of the Moyes era were signed at 23-25.

You get the best years out of them and if they do want to move on you get big money for them in their prime, our squad was allowed to decay into low value sell on value players by Martinez and to an extent Moyes towards the end.

Klaassen 24 and Pickford 23.

Dolberg 19, Sigurdsson 27, Keane 24, Jorgensen 26, Sandro 23 all being linked.


Thought Sandro was 21?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on June 18, 2017, 08:32:24 PM
Thought Sandro was 21?

He is.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 18, 2017, 08:48:54 PM
Thought Sandro was 21?

Yeah he is, I cocked up moving him from the completed signings to the potential signings part.

Didn't want to tempt fate.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on June 19, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
From Fourth Official
FC Volendam have confirmed that 18 year old centre half Nathangelo Markelo has signed for Everton #efc
(U-23 player )
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
Fucking great this summer. Seems we'll just have everyone. Pinching everyone's best youngsters, spending decent amounts on quality. Hopefully getting sandro for a fraction of his true worth. Really enjoying it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 10:44:54 PM
Fucking great this summer. Seems we'll just have everyone. Pinching everyone's best youngsters, spending decent amounts on quality. Hopefully getting sandro for a fraction of his true worth. Really enjoying it.

The rumours are that Keane will be finalised imminently too. I can foresee another 'two in 24 hours' confirmed again like last week, just for the PR effect. Good times. Even my mates who don't support us are texting me telling me how impressed they are with Everton so far this window.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on June 19, 2017, 11:47:42 PM
The rumours are that Keane will be finalised imminently too. I can foresee another 'two in 24 hours' confirmed again like last week, just for the PR effect. Good times. Even my mates who don't support us are texting me telling me how impressed they are with Everton so far this window.
Yeah I agree, I think Sigurdsson is the one that might drag on a bit
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on June 19, 2017, 11:49:25 PM
Yeah I agree, I think Sigurdsson is the one that might drag on a bit

That can drag on, as long as we're getting all these other deals across the line. We'll need something else to look forward to over summer once we have our main targets in.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Buck76 on June 20, 2017, 12:41:20 AM
Burnley looking at McCarthy so the Kean deal could work out well for us...

We are still short in offensive areas when you think, Kone, Niasse, Valencia, DelBoy & McGready gone with Lukaku & Barkley most likely gone... we have still got some business ahead of us, but at this rate we'll have it all boxed off by the end of the month anyway.. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trublue on June 20, 2017, 12:53:04 AM
Don't forget, we're going to be selling a lot of the existing forest team squad in the coming weeks. I imagine the way things are going it will be July and August of players leaving and not much, if any in.  Won't be as exciting, but think we are doing this the right way.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Morta75 on June 20, 2017, 01:16:54 AM
Think too many players in at one time is also a bit dangerous... Need to have the foundation in central line, then supply with quality. This Goretzka in Germany looks good!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 20, 2017, 01:28:09 AM
Don't forget, we're going to be selling a lot of the existing forest team squad in the coming weeks. I imagine the way things are going it will be July and August of players leaving and not much, if any in.  Won't be as exciting, but think we are doing this the right way.

It's mad how Nottingham Forest would even allow us to do that!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 20, 2017, 01:32:26 AM
It's mad how Nottingham Forest would even allow us to do that!

With their recent ownership disasters, I wouldn't put it past them......
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Buck76 on June 20, 2017, 08:37:18 AM
In the excitement of the recent weeks business whilst looking at the players expected to leave and assuming we've at least £50m net to spend, I went all FF and you can tweak the values/players etc. & No doubt it maybe too much in one go but we would frighten the top 6 to death with this or an equiverlant squad....

Robles - £8m / Pickford - £30m
Barkley - £40m / Klaasen - £26m
Kone - Free / Sandro - £5m
McCarthy - £20m / Kean - £25m
Lukaku - £80m / Dolberg - £25m
Deulofeu - £10.5m / Siggy - £35m
Niasse - £10m / Dembele - £30m
McGready - £2.5m / Brozovic - £20m
Player Sales £171m                         
Plus Defense Cover (CB /LB?) - £25m
                           Player Purchases - £221m
                                           =£50m net spend


Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 20, 2017, 01:09:33 PM
The Dembele link is definitely someone mistaking Markelo for him. But your point stands none the less
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on June 20, 2017, 04:22:06 PM
The Dembele link is definitely someone mistaking Markelo for him. But your point stands none the less

I pointed this out on Twitter to the guy that said he he saw him at Finch Farm and got told they look nothing alike... Well they don't really, but at a distance they have the same build and the same hair and someone could esaily make the mistake.

I'm convinced Dembele was not at Finch Farm on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 20, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
Basala Sambou all over again.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trublue on June 20, 2017, 09:38:33 PM
It's mad how Nottingham Forest would even allow us to do that!

Yeah sorry I'm old and crap at using a tablet or my phone. Darn predictive text. Lol
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue1948 on June 21, 2017, 03:33:00 PM
Yeah sorry I'm old and crap at using a tablet or my phone. Darn predictive text. Lol
Turn it off !
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on June 28, 2017, 08:35:26 PM
Just thought I'd drop this.

WARNING: Don't read unless you want to get really, really angry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-should-not-looking-over-10701552

Condescending arsehole!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 28, 2017, 08:43:59 PM
Just thought I'd drop this.

WARNING: Don't read unless you want to get really, really angry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-should-not-looking-over-10701552

Condescending arsehole!

Doesn't bother me in the slightest that

He sounds like a Kopite journo, and he sounds scared.......
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on June 28, 2017, 09:01:41 PM
Doesn't bother me in the slightest that

He sounds like a Kopite journo, and he sounds scared.......

You're a better man than I.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 28, 2017, 09:06:54 PM
You're a better man than I.

I doubt that!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 28, 2017, 09:17:50 PM
Definite red journo. Which editor let that one go through, most condescending piece I've read in a long time.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on June 28, 2017, 09:20:51 PM
Haha Jim Boardman is the most bitter of bitter kopites.

Not even going to bother reading knowing he's wrote it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bally on June 28, 2017, 09:43:54 PM
Just thought I'd drop this.

WARNING: Don't read unless you want to get really, really angry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-should-not-looking-over-10701552

Condescending arsehole!
Bitter cunt Hahahaah love it, can smell it oozing out of him Hahahaah bitter deluded twat
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 28, 2017, 09:51:46 PM
He's worried....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 28, 2017, 09:56:14 PM
i enjoy the rage/fume from all the Reds in the press, and on TV., Their hatred provides so much amusement..
enjoy it, :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 28, 2017, 10:01:16 PM
Didn't think there was anything wrong with it!!
Basically about their inability to get their transfer dealings sorted and, from their point of view,  stating what they should be doing - looking up not back at us - and highlighting the anxiety their fans are feeling.. It's an article about them not us!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 28, 2017, 10:06:30 PM
They'd rather the sky fell in than we progress...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2017, 11:29:27 PM
Never seen them so rattled mate.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 29, 2017, 01:45:05 AM
I'm worried that we get Sandro, Gray and Keane over the line soon.

Then we move on and sort sigurdsson and Lemos out before the Europa.

Then we either keep or replace lukaku swiftly after.

We could have an entire month of a transfer window with no real plans to bring anybody in.
Our resident lunatics are going to be beside themselves for weeks over tenuous links that don't come off.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on June 29, 2017, 01:45:31 AM
Not as funny as Stan.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2017, 02:10:13 AM
Remember all of those transfer windows were we had no money, had to shop at the bargain basement and sell to buy, getting gazumped by Spurs and Newcastle, nearly signing Robbie Savage.

Horrible
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2017, 02:56:47 AM
Enjoying our signings so far but even if we announce Sandro, Henry and Lemos in the next week - then lose lukaku, we're weaker than we went in imo.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on June 29, 2017, 03:06:42 AM
Enjoying our signings so far but even if we announce Sandro, Henry and Lemos in the next week - then lose lukaku, we're weaker than we went in imo.

Well yeah, because at that point we'd have replaced 3 strikers with 1.  The only times that matter are when we play our first game, and when the window closes.  Not some arbitrary day at the start of july.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2017, 04:09:24 AM
Well yeah, because at that point we'd have replaced 3 strikers with 1.  The only times that matter are when we play our first game, and when the window closes.  Not some arbitrary day at the start of july.

Just saying there's a long way to go yet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 29, 2017, 04:30:51 AM
Just saying there's a long way to go yet.

Works both ways that mate.

I'll re-quote this shortly after Lukaku's inevitable departure
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2017, 05:32:41 AM
Works both ways that mate.

I'll re-quote this shortly after Lukaku's inevitable departure

Ok cool, I dunno what you're getting at but OK.

I've been thinking about that bid we had for keita turned accepted (before getting kb'd) Goalscoring winger, came about the same time as Sandro I think so I guess we were looking to add both.

Quite a significant fee was rumoured, surprised we haven't seen a bid for someone else of a similar profile. Hopefully we do before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 29, 2017, 06:50:44 AM
Enjoying our signings so far but even if we announce Sandro, Henry and Lemos in the next week - then lose lukaku, we're weaker than we went in imo.

But re-sign Ross, plus bring in Giroud?  Feeling good.  Add an Ihenacho or Batshuayi, and I'm over the moon.

The newsbot article re 1 July also indicated Chelsea might be paying our full 100m valuation, which would be quite the validation for Moshiri against all the punditry downplaying our "reasonableness."
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 29, 2017, 03:29:29 PM
Ok cool, I dunno what you're getting at but OK.

Just that, when we sell Lukaku, there will be instant anguish that:
1) we don't have an immediate replacement for him
2) we have only spent "the Lukaku money"

Your advice of "there's a long way to go" will be relevant then to calm us down as it is now to induce low-level panic.


ps
Keita has turned down Liveperpool because they're not a big enough club for him. He is well out of our league.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
Just that, when we sell Lukaku, there will be instant anguish that:
1) we don't have an immediate replacement for him
2) we have only spent "the Lukaku money"

Your advice of "there's a long way to go" will be relevant then to calm us down as it is now to induce low-level panic.


ps
Keita has turned down Liveperpool because they're not a big enough club for him. He is well out of our league.

Ah sure yeah definitely, not panicking just not getting carried away. We're making good Europa level signings, but potentially going to lose a CL level goalscorer so there's a few legs in the window yet.

Yeah wasn't arsed by keita, he scored like 20 last year he's ready for a big club, I just mean - wonder who plan B is and when we'll hear about that? Lemina maybe?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 29, 2017, 04:42:16 PM
Just that, when we sell Lukaku, there will be instant anguish that:
1) we don't have an immediate replacement for him
2) we have only spent "the Lukaku money"

Your advice of "there's a long way to go" will be relevant then to calm us down as it is now to induce low-level panic.


ps
Keita has turned down Liveperpool because they're not a big enough club for him. He is well out of our league.

Isn't that the other Keita?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 29, 2017, 04:46:51 PM
Isn't that the other Keita?

ah, maybe. I have literally only read headlines
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 29, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
ah, maybe. I have literally only read headlines

They want Naby (RB Leipzig CM) we wanted Balde Diao winger of Lazio but Diao wants Juventus.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Nicco on June 29, 2017, 06:40:52 PM
They want Naby (RB Leipzig CM) we wanted Balde Diao winger of Lazio but Diao wants Juventus.
But but but....
Has anyone told him that players have turned down Barca, Real Madrid, RS and others to join us? He is wrong (Diao that is).
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2017, 07:43:06 PM
State of Everton spending 70+ million and its not even July yet, wreckless fools they are
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 29, 2017, 07:44:38 PM
Keane and Sandro announced over the weekend would actually be superb
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: formerKHL on June 29, 2017, 07:46:05 PM
I wonder how much of this spending is having factored in the Lukaku and Barkley sales....

now it looking Barkley staying....and TBH lukaku looks to be going nowhere at the moment either..
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2017, 07:49:20 PM
Pickford - 30 million
Klaassen - 25 million
Sandro - 6 million
Henry whathisname - 8 million
Keane - 25 million

Next?

Walsh on deadline day

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/businessman-in-hawaiian-shirt-with-feet-up-on-desk-picture-id80609947?s=170667a)


Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on June 29, 2017, 07:49:56 PM
I wonder how much of this spending is having factored in the Lukaku and Barkley sales....

now it looking Barkley staying....and TBH lukaku looks to be going nowhere at the moment either..

Well we're still going to have to buy a replacement for Lukaku and I doubt they're going to be cheap based on these sort of fees, even if they're not a top line player.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on June 29, 2017, 07:51:26 PM
I wonder how much of this spending is having factored in the Lukaku and Barkley sales....

now it looking Barkley staying....and TBH lukaku looks to be going nowhere at the moment either..

I imagine we'd have a decent amount available irrespective of those sales, however when you factor in possible outgoings of McCarthy, Niasse, Del, McGeady and the Cleverley money, which equates to about £45-£50m, we still wouldn't have spent a huge amount and strengthened the first team hugely.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: formerKHL on June 29, 2017, 07:59:45 PM
I can picture the bean counters with their abacus' sitting there sweating it out and thinking......"Bills gonna be shitting himself"

not used to the fact Everton do actually have coffers in the bank........

all the while moshiri standing there smoking a cigar, gin and tonic in hand looking cool....."this loose change is doing me head in.."
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on June 29, 2017, 08:20:26 PM
What's brilliant is not having to sell smaller players to buy, I think sometimes teams sell someone they'd ideally hold onto because they're the only one they can move on quick enough to force an incoming transfer through.

Were casually snapping up our targets then we trim the squad when it's all in place.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 29, 2017, 09:00:45 PM
Pickford - 30 million
Klaassen - 25 million
Sandro - 6 million
Henry whathisname - 8 million
Keane - 25 million

Next?


We could do with another striker and attacking midfielder regardless of if Barkley/Lukaku stay or go to be honest.
Then replacements for them if they do.

Then, if we're being greedy, another defender and that Martina bloke.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
We could do with another striker and attacking midfielder regardless of if Barkley/Lukaku stay or go to be honest.
Then replacements for them if they do.

Then, if we're being greedy, another defender and that Martina bloke.

Greedy get!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 29, 2017, 09:42:18 PM
We could do with another striker and attacking midfielder regardless of if Barkley/Lukaku stay or go to be honest.
Then replacements for them if they do.

Then, if we're being greedy, another defender and that Martina bloke.

Oh yeah agreed, with Lukaku going we'd still need 2 strikers. I still think we lack a bit of creativity and need something there, whether it be sig or whoever.

If we can get another cb and cover at rb then it's the best transfer window of my lifetime, even with Rom going

Depending on funds I'd be even greedier and look for any long term lb that can shadow baines for a bit. Tierney?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on June 29, 2017, 10:46:22 PM
Keane and Sandro announced over the weekend would actually be superb

Goalkeeper
Defender
Midfielder
Striker

One from each position all to go in the first 11. Spine.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 29, 2017, 11:43:18 PM
Goalkeeper
Defender
Midfielder
Striker

One from each position all to go in the first 11. Spine.

Proper spine that
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Polledreng on June 29, 2017, 11:52:38 PM
Goalkeeper
Defender
Midfielder
Striker

One from each position all to go in the first 11. Spine.
think that will make us the first team with a 30 mill keeper on the beanch
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on June 30, 2017, 12:00:07 AM
think that will make us the first team with a 30 mill keeper on the beanch

So far I meant, not in addition to:

Pickford
Keane
Klassen
Sandro
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 30, 2017, 12:03:52 AM
So... Even with these signings - and even if we kept Rom and Ross for next season - does anyone actually see us finishing higher than 7th if the rest of the top teams perform as they should?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on June 30, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
Young looking, EL level spine imo, good progress.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on June 30, 2017, 12:10:13 AM
Would love us to go get Johnny Evans and dump Funes Mori.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: pjk on June 30, 2017, 12:11:41 AM
If we get all them signings in, keep Ross and Rom, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Pickford and Klaasen? Maybe a few from Italy? If we don't get close to winning something: we never will. Don't forget Bolasie and Seamus. Shit! that's some squad coming together there. And we still have the kids. Have I missed anyone? :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on June 30, 2017, 12:28:37 AM
Pickford - 30 million
Klaassen - 25 million
Sandro - 6 million
Henry whathisname - 8 million
Keane - 25 million

Next?

Walsh on deadline day

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/businessman-in-hawaiian-shirt-with-feet-up-on-desk-picture-id80609947?s=170667a)






Don't think it will be like this at all.

I think we'll continue to snap up fresh young talent all over Europe and come deadline day - Walsh and Moshiri will be securing them loan deals to give our fledglings some experience!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on June 30, 2017, 12:30:15 AM
If we get all them signings in, keep Ross and Rom, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Pickford and Klaasen? Maybe a few from Italy? If we don't get close to winning something: we never will. Don't forget Bolasie and Seamus. Shit! that's some squad coming together there. And we still have the kids. Have I missed anyone? :)

And yet by the time April comes, we'll be complaining that we still don't have much squad quality...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 30, 2017, 12:30:27 AM
Young looking, EL level spine imo, good progress.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with this.

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with building an initial squad that will cement us in the Europa League with a chance of finishing higher if other clubs do well. It's essentially what Spurs, Liverpool and City all did.

We're just spending a lot of money to cement 7th.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 30, 2017, 12:31:43 AM
And yet by the time April comes, we'll be complaining that we still don't have much squad quality...
We might not have a quality squad, but at least we'll have some quality squad depth. :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 30, 2017, 12:35:48 AM
So... Even with these signings - and even if we kept Rom and Ross for next season - does anyone actually see us finishing higher than 7th if the rest of the top teams perform as they should?

Yes, I do.  Keep Ross and Rom, I easily see us vaulting over Arsenal at least.  We would be in a pitched battle for 4th, even if nobody falls off in quality.  We would simply be good enough for the fight.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on June 30, 2017, 12:43:48 AM
Don't get me wrong, I agree with this.

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with building an initial squad that will cement us in the Europa League with a chance of finishing higher if other clubs do well. It's essentially what Spurs, Liverpool and City all did.

We're just spending a lot of money to cement 7th.

A lot of money in relation to what? The money is bonkers - don't worry about it - my man Moshiri has got it covered. We will not overspend and he seems keen not to underspend either.

If we get Champions League (unlikely) or even Europa League (very possible) football next season - we will get lots more in TV revenue and in Premier League position bonus.

But the other part of the equation is that the money is now bonkers for everyone - if we don't go forwards, we'll go backwards because EVERY man and his dog has money these days.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 30, 2017, 12:44:27 AM
Don't get me wrong, I agree with this.

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with building an initial squad that will cement us in the Europa League with a chance of finishing higher if other clubs do well. It's essentially what Spurs, Liverpool and City all did.

We're just spending a lot of money to cement 7th.

We'd have to spend a damn site more on players that probably wouldn't want to come with us to have any chance of a top 6 finish.

With the extra games, not spending this money carries the real risk of finishing below 7th next year and that would be disastrous.

Cement 7th, pray that for the next 2 years 7th is enough for Europe and that 1 of the club's above is have a shit enough season to get our noses in front of them.
And a cup or 2
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 30, 2017, 01:11:10 AM
With the extra games, not spending this money carries the real risk of finishing below 7th next year and that would be disastrous.
I think this, in particular, is an excellent point which I hadn't fully considered.

We've had this discussion before and we're pretty much on the same page about it; improving our overall squad quality is key to our progression.

I really don't think there's anything particularly wrong with our approach and I'm pretty confident that we'll finish with 65+ points.

It's difficult to compare to other leagues around Europe because of the differences in spending power. It's difficult to judge a transfer fee when it's still only June. I just wonder a little about the value we're ultimately getting. A lot of this really stems from the unknowns and how little I really know about a lot of the players.

What makes Michael Keane worth £13m more than Harry Maguire? What makes Bolasie worth £15m more than Nathan Redmond? Did we really need to spend £30m on Pickford or could we have got somebody just as effective for much cheaper? I think we're doing a great job at bridging the gap, but my personal opinion is that - despite it not being money - you can't just ignore cost when assessing the job Walsh and Koeman do.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 30, 2017, 01:27:05 AM
Oh, it deffo adds a layer of complexity when judging Koeman. (Of course he did well, look at the money he had spent). Long gone are the days of Everton "punching above their weight".
Less than 7th is horrendous for him now. Whereas 8th was still decent.

Walsh on the other hand? You have to judge him on the cheaper ones I reckon. Gana, Sandro, Henry and the like.

His will be the value for money players.
Koeman will be the ones we expect to be automatically brilliant
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on June 30, 2017, 01:32:44 AM
Would love us to go get Johnny Evans and dump Funes Mori.

Evans would be such a good signing.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 30, 2017, 01:38:16 AM
Oh, it deffo adds a layer of complexity when judging Koeman. (Of course he did well, look at the money he had spent). Long gone are the days of Everton "punching above their weight".
Less than 7th is horrendous for him now. Whereas 8th was still decent.

Walsh on the other hand? You have to judge him on the cheaper ones I reckon. Gana, Sandro, Henry and the like.

His will be the value for money players.
Koeman will be the ones we expect to be automatically brilliant
You've hit the nail on the head a bit there though. I'm fairly concerned about just how much power I see our manager wielding on player targets which isn't really what I would have expected in a Director of Football system.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on June 30, 2017, 02:11:38 AM
Evans and Keane would be a very solid centre back pairing
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on June 30, 2017, 02:31:20 AM
Would love us to go get Johnny Evans and dump Funes Mori.

That was a terrible choice by Martinez/Reeves.

Evans would have been well worth the extra wage expenditure.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on June 30, 2017, 02:58:18 AM
So... Even with these signings - and even if we kept Rom and Ross for next season - does anyone actually see us finishing higher than 7th if the rest of the top teams perform as they should?

I've said this before, but think about the needless points we dropped against awful teams in the Prem this season. We don't necessarily need to worry about beating the 6 teams above us - they will all take points off each other. We need to put away the dross, home and away, and then if we pick up a few points against the big boys on top of that, sound.

So if we have a much stronger team and squad that can do damage against the 13 teams below us, that might well bridge that gap to the teams above us. Obviously, with Europe as well, that will be a difficult challenge, but it's a much more surmountable challenge to aim to beat all of the poor teams, that suddenly expecting to beat the big boys.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on June 30, 2017, 03:11:46 AM
I've said this before, but think about the needless points we dropped against awful teams in the Prem this season. We don't necessarily need to worry about beating the 6 teams above us - they will all take points off each other. We need to put away the dross, home and away, and then if we pick up a few points against the big boys on top of that, sound.
Quite.

It's why Chelsea won the league and Liverpool didn't. :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on June 30, 2017, 03:42:14 AM

What makes Michael Keane worth £13m more than Harry Maguire? What makes Bolasie worth £15m more than Nathan Redmond? Did we really need to spend £30m on Pickford or could we have got somebody just as effective for much cheaper? I think we're doing a great job at bridging the gap, but my personal opinion is that - despite it not being money - you can't just ignore cost when assessing the job Walsh and Koeman do.

I know I bang on about the money side of things just being so ridiculous as to not bother with - but you are right - you can't just ignore cost when assessing what Koeman and Walsh do.

However - because it's so bonkers - we will have to wait until the end of the season and judge them alongside the only comparables - other teams.

Did West Brom spend half what we did and finish level on points? Did Liverpool spend less and improve more on their position than we did ours?

It's an end of season conversation looking at what other clubs did in comparison. It's the only way to even come close to assessing the spend and evne then it's flawed.

I, for one, will not give one single, solitary shit. We have a billionaire accountant with a tight rein on the club so if we spend it - I trust we can afford it. The only thing I care about now is league finish and silverware.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluebridge on June 30, 2017, 04:01:23 AM
So once Keane is done, do we get Sigurdson in next?

I can honestly see us smashing our transfer record again once Lukaku is sold
If Barkley is staying, I can't see Sigurdson coming, with Klassen, that's three very similar players.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 30, 2017, 04:34:54 AM
Surely we need some pace and directness in the wide forwards now. We need a quality out and our winger. Barkley and sigurdsson aren't what we need in that position
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
So I was waiting for 1st July for the flurry.

Now I'm waiting for Monday for the flurry.

Most of all I am just amazed that our signings are being described as 'a flurry of signings' and I'm anticipating the word 'plethora' being used by early August!

So are people expecting loads tomorrow? I am - I hope there is at least one nice surprise in there too!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 02, 2017, 11:43:48 PM
So I was waiting for 1st July for the flurry.

Now I'm waiting for Monday for the flurry.

Most of all I am just amazed that our signings are being described as 'a flurry of signings' and I'm anticipating the word 'plethora' being used by early August!

So are people expecting loads tomorrow? I am - I hope there is at least one nice surprise in there too!

Keane, Sandro and maybe Martina at most.  Wont be any left field surprises.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 02, 2017, 11:45:16 PM
Keane, Sandro and maybe Martina at most.  Wont be any left field surprises.


Booooooooooo!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on July 02, 2017, 11:45:25 PM
I reckon Sandro, Keane and unfortunately Martina will all be wearing the shirt on the Stephen Hughes tree tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 02, 2017, 11:46:12 PM
Cant argue with that sort of business before pre season has begun though.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 12:01:31 AM
We've all moaned about getting people in before pre season.

Now we coukd have basically signed 7 and people are still moaning

Only Everton
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 12:13:10 AM
We've all moaned about getting people in before pre season.

Now we coukd have basically signed 7 and people are still moaning

Only Everton

Deadline day will be fun
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 03, 2017, 12:13:22 AM
The thread that refuses to die
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2017, 12:15:41 AM
We've all moaned about getting people in before pre season.

Now we coukd have basically signed 7 and people are still moaning

Only Everton

I wasnt moaning.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 03, 2017, 12:22:33 AM
Very difficult to find a reason to moan I think.

I do think 7th is still the realistic ceiling, and we are spending a lot of money without any real CL level head turners, but it's just what we've got to do I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 03, 2017, 12:27:08 AM
I haven't seen one person moan to be fair.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
I haven't seen one person moan to be fair.



I think I'm optimistic and always hope for that little bit more (nsno) but without moaning if I don't get it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 03, 2017, 12:39:03 AM
Very difficult to find a reason to moan I think.

I do think 7th is still the realistic ceiling, and we are spending a lot of money without any real CL level head turners, but it's just what we've got to do I'm afraid.

I think we're all getting overly defeatist with this ceiling of 7th thing.

I know it was an anomaly, but Leicester were champions only a year ago, and before Bale Spurs were the same level as us, and now they are legitimate heirs to the EPL throne.

Both of those clubs have achieved beyond their respective ceilings with a combination of good/fortunate recruitment, effective coaching and tactics, and in Spurs' case unearthing an international-class homegrown goal machine.

We have to remember, we have got an excellent youth system, where even RS parents are currently encouraging their talented offspring to opt for Everton, and a proper owner now who is forging us forward.

I don't think seventh is our ceiling at all.

Pickford, Klassen, Sandro, and Keane could all turn out to be Top 4 level players, and then suddenly we are up there, back where we belong.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 03:04:31 AM
93 million quid spent so far in January and this window
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Simon Paul on July 03, 2017, 03:06:15 AM
93 million quid spent so far in January and this window

still £7m to go then and we can sell Lukaku to break even
Title: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 03, 2017, 03:06:16 AM
93 million quid spent so far in January and this window
We'll easily spend £150m - whether Rom leaves or not
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on July 03, 2017, 03:08:00 AM
Still think we need another top quality centre half
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 03, 2017, 03:16:51 AM
I think we're all getting overly defeatist with this ceiling of 7th thing.

I know it was an anomaly, but Leicester were champions only a year ago, and before Bale Spurs were the same level as us, and now they are legitimate heirs to the EPL throne.

Both of those clubs have achieved beyond their respective ceilings with a combination of good/fortunate recruitment, effective coaching and tactics, and in Spurs' case unearthing an international-class homegrown goal machine.

We have to remember, we have got an excellent youth system, where even RS parents are currently encouraging their talented offspring to opt for Everton, and a proper owner now who is forging us forward.

I don't think seventh is our ceiling at all.

Pickford, Klassen, Sandro, and Keane could all turn out to be Top 4 level players, and then suddenly we are up there, back where we belong.

We can legitimately compete now.  That's what it's all about, having a chance.  Screw the "closed shop" nonsense, just go out and compete every week.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 03:18:35 AM
Now it looks like we have Sandro and Keane just about done, I would be over the moon if we could get Giroud, Sigurdson and this Doppelganger dude from Belgium.

      Pickford

Coleman Keane Doppelganger Baines

    Gana  Schneiderlin  Klaassen

  Sigurdsson Giroud Sandro


Subs Joel Williams Kenny Davies Lookman Mirallas DCL

How's that looking?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 03:26:58 AM
I think we're all getting overly defeatist with this ceiling of 7th thing.

I know it was an anomaly, but Leicester were champions only a year ago, and before Bale Spurs were the same level as us, and now they are legitimate heirs to the EPL throne.

Both of those clubs have achieved beyond their respective ceilings with a combination of good/fortunate recruitment, effective coaching and tactics, and in Spurs' case unearthing an international-class homegrown goal machine.

We have to remember, we have got an excellent youth system, where even RS parents are currently encouraging their talented offspring to opt for Everton, and a proper owner now who is forging us forward.

I don't think seventh is our ceiling at all.

Pickford, Klassen, Sandro, and Keane could all turn out to be Top 4 level players, and then suddenly we are up there, back where we belong.

Where the eagles fly,
Over mountains high...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 03:30:17 AM
93 million quid spent so far in January and this window

Minus £7.5m Oviedo and Gibson, £10.25m Del, £8m Cleverley and whatever the McGeady fee is, £4.5m? So £62m spend soon to be wiped out by Lukaku leaving us in profit.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 03, 2017, 03:31:58 AM
Now it looks like we have Sandro and Keane just about done, I would be over the moon if we could get Giroud, Sigurdson and this Doppelganger dude from Belgium.

      Pickford

Coleman Keane Doppelganger Baines

    Gana  Schneiderlin  Klaassen

  Sigurdsson Giroud Sandro


Subs Joel Williams Kenny Davies Lookman Mirallas DCL

How's that looking?

Isn't the lookalike a defensive midfielder primarily or am I missing something? Maybe if pep was our manager he'd slot in there but I get the sense that Koeman wants defenders first and foremost and build from there in terms of ball playing
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 03, 2017, 03:35:47 AM
Minus £7.5m Oviedo and Gibson, £10.25m Del, £8m Cleverley and whatever the McGeady fee is, £4.5m? So £62m spend soon to be wiped out by Lukaku leaving us in profit.

I'd be quite happy with a profit made as long as we are a better team regardless. I still think we'll spend plus 30-50 mil, when you factor in Keane, another defender and 2 strikers. If we spend more it definitely means our squad will be able to rotate without dropping in quality and hopefully be able to compete at the top

exciting times
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 03, 2017, 03:38:25 AM
If we don't bring in Lemos, I say let's put Holgate at CB once Seamus is healthy (use Jags until then).  Let him learn alongside Keane and become the defensive pairing for the next 5+ years.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 03, 2017, 03:40:04 AM
Now it looks like we have Sandro and Keane just about done, I would be over the moon if we could get Giroud, Sigurdson and this Doppelganger dude from Belgium.

      Pickford

Coleman Keane Doppelganger Baines

    Gana  Schneiderlin  Klaassen

  Sigurdsson Giroud Sandro


Subs Joel Williams Kenny Davies Lookman Mirallas DCL

How's that looking?

I think you forgot Barkley, which makes that squad even stronger.  Plus the Batshuayi-type we will surely bring in if Romelu goes to Chelsea (and if that doesn't happen next week, I don't think it happens until next summer).
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 03, 2017, 03:44:49 AM
If we don't bring in Lemos, I say let's put Holgate at CB once Seamus is healthy (use Jags until then).  Let him learn alongside Keane and become the defensive pairing for the next 5+ years.

If we've got ambitions of top 4 I don't think Koeman will risk Holgate at CB. I'd love hat idea but it's arisk someone like Koeman won't take. And fair play, results driven business. Holgate will get time but not as a 1st choice CB
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 03:50:53 AM
I imagine Holgate may go out on loan this season
Galloway too or even be sold
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 03, 2017, 03:51:30 AM
Still think we need another top quality centre half

Absolutely but I can't see it happening.

Koeman will be happy with Williams considering he signed him.

We might buy a back up CB.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 03, 2017, 04:03:20 AM
I'd be quite happy with a profit made as long as we are a better team regardless. I still think we'll spend plus 30-50 mil, when you factor in Keane, another defender and 2 strikers. If we spend more it definitely means our squad will be able to rotate without dropping in quality and hopefully be able to compete at the top

exciting times


That's the truly exciting thing. We are improving without a massive net spend
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 03, 2017, 04:03:44 AM
I'd like a left back and a winger
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 03, 2017, 04:09:42 AM
I'd like a left back and a winger

I think apart from Giroud (who is an out and out striker) Koeman will get two other striker/second forward/winger versatile types to go with Sandro, who also fits that bill.

I'm guessing he likes Dembele and Gray.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2017, 04:14:04 AM
Out
Howard
Hibbert
Osman
Stones
Gibson
Oviedo
Cleverley
Kone
Deulofeu
McGeady

In
Steklenberg
Gueye
Bolasie
Williams
DCL
Schneiderlin
Lookman
Pickford
Klaassen
Onyekuru
Sandro
Keane

Even if Ross and Rom do leave, that list of incomings gives me the faith that we'll come out stronger.

And we've even got some more deadwood left to rinse people for too.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 04:29:06 AM
Offering to buy Sunderland's best player for £25m, while they give us half the money back and take three bang average player's off our hands, just feels like robbery really. I feel for them.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 03, 2017, 04:29:10 AM
Remember when we were skint! Ha
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Heisenberg on July 03, 2017, 04:34:21 AM
This is all so exciting. Losing Rom really wont be an issue as we will cover the lost goals via a better midfield
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 03, 2017, 04:35:43 AM
Feels good to be an Evertonian, at last
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: arteta4spain on July 03, 2017, 04:37:30 AM
This is all so exciting. Losing Rom really wont be an issue as we will cover the lost goals via a better midfield
We needed players in no doubt but I think we've prepared ourselves in case Rom goes on deadline day and we're left with a wad of cash and can't get anyone in. We've done so well this window that whoever goes I'm not arsed! As good as Rom is hopefully we've got enough to cope. Can still see a big signing up top if he goes tho.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 04:41:44 AM
Minus £7.5m Oviedo and Gibson, £10.25m Del, £8m Cleverley and whatever the McGeady fee is, £4.5m? So £62m spend soon to be wiped out by Lukaku leaving us in profit.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/xT5LMxmFQ37UyhH344/200w.gif)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 03, 2017, 04:54:48 AM
dont think it will happen, but i'd like a signing between 45m and 70m.  we've  got a few 30m ones, just want to see us push that little bit more for that star, think that would also convince Lukaku to stay..
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 04:55:20 AM
I think you forgot Barkley, which makes that squad even stronger.  Plus the Batshuayi-type we will surely bring in if Romelu goes to Chelsea (and if that doesn't happen next week, I don't think it happens until next summer).

I didn't forget Barkley. I don't think he or Lukaku will be here next season.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: arteta4spain on July 03, 2017, 04:59:59 AM
dont think it will happen, but i'd like a signing between 45m and 70m.  we've  got a few 30m ones, just want to see us push that little bit more for that star, think that would also convince Lukaku to stay..
Think we'll only go for one of them of Rom leaves. Can't see us spending around £150 odd mill before player sales. But then again who knows!! If we're after Giroud, I can't see Rom staying. Can't see either of them being happy with second choice, sharing the spoils.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: claimabstract on July 03, 2017, 05:29:32 AM
I'd love to watch some of the preseason training to see how RK plays with the formations and how they all fit together.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 03, 2017, 05:34:43 AM
I'd love a £60m Lukaku replacement but like...who is he? Where do you get him from and would he join Everton?

We're in a weird position and unfortunately whatever happens we are going to lose a champions league level goalscorer in big rom, And likely replace him with a number of cheaper unproven gambles to some extent. We just don't have the option of going like for like.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 03, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
This is all so exciting. Losing Rom really wont be an issue as we will cover the lost goals via a better midfield

I think we need to remember that Koeman wanted more goals on top of Lukaku's.

So if a new (replacement striker) scored 15 league goals that means the wide players (or AMs) have to cover 10 then score at least 10 more to get to the sort of figures Koeman was probably talking about.

That's why someone like Giroud is appealing as you know you'd get roughly 15 from him.

Potentially having 2/3 of the attackers unproven in the PL would be risky in this regard. I guess that's why we seem particularly set on Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on July 03, 2017, 01:04:57 PM
Lacazette is reportedly an arsenal target for around 45m, they're in the europa league like us so surely worth a punt
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 03, 2017, 01:27:28 PM
think that would also convince Lukaku to stay..

Why would it?

He wants to go to a bigger club to win honours and play in the Champions League. One big signing does not put Everton on the same footing as Chelsea, City etc.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
Why would it?

He wants to go to a bigger club to win honours and play in the Champions League. One big signing does not put Everton on the same footing as Chelsea, City etc.

Very true. Whilst i don't disagree with you - it could be argued that one superstar signing would be a good cover for Lukaku to backtrack over the 'no option' comments.

If another club isn't willing to pay what we demand he has three choices:
1) stay here on less money
2) stay here and sign a contract extension
3) force a move and lose his loyalty payments

As it stands option 3 is the only one that would happen.
If we sign a truly world class player? Option 2 is still too much to consider, but option 1 becomes quite feasible.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 03, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
I'd love a £60m Lukaku replacement but like...who is he? Where do you get him from and would he join Everton?

We're in a weird position and unfortunately whatever happens we are going to lose a champions league level goalscorer in big rom, And likely replace him with a number of cheaper unproven gambles to some extent. We just don't have the option of going like for like.

Lacazette seemed like a bit of a pipe dream a few months ago, but the fact he looks close to signing for Arsenal (who are in a similar position to us) shows that he's not completely unobtainable.

I'm surprised that we haven't tried to have a nibble.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 03, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
Lacazette seemed like a bit of a pipe dream a few months ago, but the fact he looks close to signing for Arsenal (who are in a similar position to us) shows that he's not completely unobtainable.

I'm surprised that we haven't tried to have a nibble.

They've had 1 season outside the CL in 20 years.

We've had about 4 EL qualifications.

Even right now they're in the group stages and won something last year whereas we've got 2 qualifying rounds to play.

We won't be seen as being in the same bracket.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 03, 2017, 03:58:50 PM
Why would it?

He wants to go to a bigger club to win honours and play in the Champions League. One big signing does not put Everton on the same footing as Chelsea, City etc.


maybe cos he has a contract, and he has mentioned Moshiri, not  buying the players he has said... this is the first window where we are doing it, if you dont think he will stay then cool., but the only way he will stay is by buying players on his level..
Quote

Asked about the level of ambition at Goodison, the 23-year-old said: "You have to have the attitude, you have to. Everton as a football club has a great history right.

"But the future has to be written. You get me?

"Because we always talk about the teams of the 80s and 60s and if you look it was great. But we as players we want the fans talking about us instead of us talking about them. No disrespect but you know what I mean.

"You want to be remembered as well. No matter where you play you want to be remembered.
"You cannot only be remembered by scoring goals, you want to be remembered by winning trophies at the end of the day.

"So instead of living in the past, you have to think ahead. How this club has to grow, how this club has to improve, which player does it want to bring in so you can challenge for the big trophies

"Obviously stuff is changing and stuff is happening, but like I said there were some players that we could have got. That I knew the club could have got and they didn’t get. And they are playing in this league.

"I am not saying names, but they are doing well.

"It is a little bit frustrating but, at the end of the day, we have fantastic players. We cannot look at the others, we can only look at ourselves. We are the only ones to blame. We cannot blame the fans. We cannot blame the manager."


Old interview. where he came across like a fan. to me, he says saying. SHOW ME YOUR AMBITIONS.

but yeah, if you think he should move, to chelsea, so he can win honors.. then keep saying it.

I'm hoping our highest goal scorer in the premier league STAYS.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 03, 2017, 04:00:23 PM
They've had 1 season outside the CL in 20 years.

We've had about 4 EL qualifications.

Even right now they're in the group stages and won something last year whereas we've got 2 qualifying rounds to play.

We won't be seen as being in the same bracket.

I'm talking about how they performed on the pitch last season and the opportunities they will have this season.

We weren't that far off last season. This season they can't really offer players much more than what we can offer them.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
When was the last time we signed all of our targets without any sort of problems or last minute hitches? In fact I doubt we've ever done this before.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2017, 04:25:35 PM
When was the last time we signed all of our targets without any sort of problems or last minute hitches? In fact I doubt we've ever done this before.

I tweeted last night saying this is the first time I can remember it being fun being an Everton fan without alcohol having to be consumed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 04:32:00 PM
The year we got Howard, Lescott & Johnson before mid-June was the last time we seemed to have got the transfer window spot on.
Finished 6th that season as well i think.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 05:43:25 PM
I'm talking about how they performed on the pitch last season and the opportunities they will have this season.

We weren't that far off last season. This season they can't really offer players much more than what we can offer them.

Arsenal as a club are in a different league to us at the minute, most of their squad are paid six figures a week. Let's not kid ourselves just because we've had about 5 minutes with a new sugar daddy. The top 6 are in their own league and we're aspiring to make it into a top 7. Long way to go yet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Escla on July 03, 2017, 06:25:17 PM
Arsenal as a club are in a different league to us at the minute, most of their squad are paid six figures a week. Let's not kid ourselves just because we've had about 5 minutes with a new sugar daddy. The top 6 are in their own league and we're aspiring to make it into a top 7. Long way to go yet.

When did the top 4 become the top 6 ? Only when Liverpool and United slipped out of the top 4, I am not getting carried away but if there is one team in the top 6 that I think we can replace it's our neighbours, we may become the new "noisy neighbours"
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 03, 2017, 06:29:05 PM
Arsenal as a club are in a different league to us at the minute, most of their squad are paid six figures a week. Let's not kid ourselves just because we've had about 5 minutes with a new sugar daddy. The top 6 are in their own league and we're aspiring to make it into a top 7. Long way to go yet.

You'd be surprised about their wage structure actually.

http://sillyseason.com/salary/arsenal-players-salaries-69062/

Their issue is Wenger has had a long standing belief that there should not be too much disparity in wages in the squad, which results in top earners being on 160k and squad players being on 65 plus

But I agree they are well above us in terms of attractiveness. I'd say they'd be a more attractive proposal than Liverpool, as players must look at a club over more than 1 season and they are champions league regulars (normally)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 06:37:03 PM
When did the top 4 become the top 6 ? Only when Liverpool and United slipped out of the top 4, I am not getting carried away but if there is one team in the top 6 that I think we can replace it's our neighbours, we may become the new "noisy neighbours"

Exactly, two of the larger clubs with financial resources were replaced so it becomes a top 6. If we can replace any of them it becomes a top 7. Makes the top 4 extremely hard to break into so let's not get too excited just yet. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Escla on July 03, 2017, 06:39:02 PM
See what you mean, if we do replace one of them it automatically becomes a top 7
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 06:39:57 PM
You'd be surprised about their wage structure actually.

http://sillyseason.com/salary/arsenal-players-salaries-69062/

Their issue is Wenger has had a long standing belief that there should not be too much disparity in wages in the squad, which results in top earners being on 160k and squad players being on 65 plus

But I agree they are well above us in terms of attractiveness. I'd say they'd be a more attractive proposal than Liverpool, as players must look at a club over more than 1 season and they are champions league regulars (normally)

Yeh I meant to say most of their first team are all on triple figure weekly wages, or near as damn it. I know Wenger is very egalitarian which results in a high wage bill with bog standard players earning very good money.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 03, 2017, 06:48:59 PM
Yeh I meant to say most of their first team are all on triple figure weekly wages, or near as damn it. I know Wenger is very egalitarian which results in a high wage bill with bog standard players earning very good money.

Yeah, his approach has probably been a factor in missing out on some top bracket players.

I think in terms of wages, I'm confident we could match them (for Lacazette). But the overall picture, they are well ahead of us.

The window of opportunity for Lacazette was last summer. But we kept Lukaku, so happy days at the time
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 11:14:37 PM
Matterface and Gough bigging us up on talksport right now
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trowel on July 03, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
One of the best things about doing good business early in the window is there's relatively little activity elsewhere so the press spend that bit longer talking about us.

And that extra buzz about us must look good to any other prospective signings.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
You can create a goodwill factor around your club, justified or not, by doing your business early like this. I'm sure a lot of the excitement will be lost in a few weeks when the rest of the transfer market wakes up properly and the top 6 obsessed media can get back to doing what they do best but for a while at least, let's enjoy being a media darling.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Big Nev on July 03, 2017, 11:33:35 PM
One of the best things about doing good business early in the window is there's relatively little activity elsewhere so the press spend that bit longer talking about us.

And that extra buzz about us must look good to any other prospective signings.

And we won't be biting our nails and keeping fingers crossed on deadline day!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 12:09:10 AM
Injuries and potential outs disregarded :

GK:
Pickford/Robles/Stek
LB:
Baines/Galloway/Robinson?
RB:
Coleman/Holgate/JJK
CB:
Jags/Williams/F-M/Keane?
CM:
Gueye/Schneiderlein/Davies/Barry/Besic/McCarthy
AM:
Mirallas/Barkley/Bolassie/Klaassen/Lennon/Lookman/DCL
FWD:
Lukaku/Sandro

Some of those can move about a bit of course, and some will move on, might get another breakout from the youth ranks, but IMO even without anyone leaving, we are still short a bit of quality.

With barkley and Lukaku out, we're running on the spot a bit I think.

I'm going to need a few more in please Walshy lerd.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: toffee_scot on July 04, 2017, 12:13:37 AM
The great thing is we seem to have brought in many of our main targets in positions where we are weak or lacking.

- Pickford should solve for the long term our goalkeeper problem which we've had for at least 3 seasons.
- Klaassen is a much needed attacking goalscoring threat. If he can link the midfield with the attack then hopefully this will mean we will create more goalscoring chances and bury them.
- Sandro could be seen as Valencia's replacement (or maybe Kone) and hopefully he can ease the goalscoring burden of Lukaku if he stays.
- Keane, although it is not yet confirmed, I expect he will become the first choice central defender by the start of the season.

Next, we should be looking for another defensive player, especially someone who could cover for Coleman at right back or even Baines at left back should the situation arise.

Of course there is still just under 2 months to go before the window closes, I expect more activity from us right up until the end as certain players will be made available or we might find ourselves selling Barkley and Lukaku and need to find replacements. 

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: griff969 on July 04, 2017, 01:16:27 AM
Got to say in 30 odd years of being an Evertonian I cannot remember us having signed this many this early in the summer.

That said we do have Europa League qualifiers early and the chances of Rom or Ross playing (and getting cup-tied) may be pretty slim if they do intend to leave.

It is great though that we appear to have a plan for a change, and the business is getting done.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 04, 2017, 01:39:19 AM
A lot of people in the media and social media seem to think we're just spending the money that we are going to get for Ross and Rom anyway, not that it matters, as we're clearly improving the squad in all areas.

But do you think that we are still essentially selling to buy? If we do sell Rom and Ross for £100m combined, will we we go out and splurge that or not?

Im not really bothered if our net spend isn't too high, providing we improve the squad all over, it just seems like a few blues want us to really go on a huge spending spree.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 01:41:47 AM
A lot of people in the media and social media seem to think we're just spending the money that we are going to get for Ross and Rom anyway, not that it matters, as we're clearly improving the squad in all areas.

But do you think that we are still essentially selling to buy? If we do sell Rom and Ross for £100m combined, will we we go out and splurge that or not?

Im not too sure I'm actually bothered if our net spend isn't too high, providing we improve the squad all over, it just seems like a few blues want us to really go on a huge spending spree.
Along with the rest of the world bar city, Chelsea, real and barca we are improving our squad and if we get ridiculous offers for our players we will sell
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 01:46:06 AM
Yeah. I'm confident this money would have been spent whether them 2 go or not.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Fynci on July 04, 2017, 01:53:19 AM
Who is going to be next then?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 04, 2017, 01:55:03 AM
Who is going to be next then?

Sigurdson
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 01:56:00 AM
Who is going to be next then?
Crazy. Normally we'd be chasing the 4 we've bought for the 1st team till the end of the window.

I'm walking round like a scene from an apocalyptic drama. Just wondering about blinking at the light.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on July 04, 2017, 02:03:34 AM
Over £95m spent already 8)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 02:04:34 AM
Over £95m spent already 8)

Fuck off Everton
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 02:04:49 AM
I imagine a lull now
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on July 04, 2017, 02:06:25 AM
A lot of people in the media and social media seem to think we're just spending the money that we are going to get for Ross and Rom anyway, not that it matters, as we're clearly improving the squad in all areas.

But do you think that we are still essentially selling to buy? If we do sell Rom and Ross for £100m combined, will we we go out and splurge that or not?

Im not really bothered if our net spend isn't too high, providing we improve the squad all over, it just seems like a few blues want us to really go on a huge spending spree.
 

People are getting too hung up on net spend. I think we'd have spent the money anyway but even if we do get £100m plus in outgoings it would then be very difficult even with todays prices to spend in excess of £200m on players plus factoring in what those players would do to the wage bill.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 04, 2017, 02:07:55 AM
We need another genuine winger. Not barkley rooney or sigurosson playing wide but a genuine winger with pace and directness
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 04, 2017, 02:08:50 AM
 

People are getting too hung up on net spend. I think we'd have spent the money anyway but even if we do get £100m plus in outgoings it would then be very difficult even with todays prices to spend in excess of £200m on players plus factoring in what those players would do to the wage bill.

I think that's it. I think we have the 100m to spend but if we shift out 100m of players it's a question as to is it really practical to spend 200m
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Simon Paul on July 04, 2017, 02:09:38 AM
whether we sell Lukaku or not this has already been a fantastic window for us

if we bring Rooney in and Barkley signs, then even if that's all we do (aside from selling Rom) then I'll be happy
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 02:09:45 AM
The jealousy of fans from other teams is a joy to see
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 02:11:58 AM
We spend 30+ million in a couple of hours and yet Villa signing Terry is a bigger story
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 04, 2017, 02:15:45 AM
I think we'll be waiting to see what happens with Ross and Rom now.  We'll definitely have more players leave too, so we wont spend everything we bring in because we wont have to.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 02:23:49 AM
The jealousy of fans from other teams is a joy to see
Carragher on twitter... Bitter bastard
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 04, 2017, 02:27:34 AM
Carragher on twitter... Bitter bastard

What's he said? A few weeks back he was advising Keane to join us above anyone else.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toffee1 on July 04, 2017, 02:30:23 AM
What's he said? A few weeks back he was advising Keane to join us above anyone else.

He said something along the lines that Everton sign five players and none of them would get in the Liverpool team.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 04, 2017, 02:33:32 AM
Got to be made up with the business we've done so far. Really didn't think we would see this much activity, especially so early in the summer

Signed a big player in each department

Got To be excited about the new season now!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 02:33:57 AM
He said something along the lines that Everton sign five players and none of them would get in the Liverpool team.

Really? What a twat
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ell Capitan on July 04, 2017, 02:34:46 AM
Can't imagine we'll be getting many more in. We don't want to do a Spurs and do too much of a squad overhaul in one summer, it never works out well.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: toffee_scot on July 04, 2017, 02:36:20 AM
We spend 30+ million in a couple of hours and yet Villa signing Terry is a bigger story

It's strange although I think there have been about 4 separate articles about Everton on top of the BBC football page today including Sandro, Keane, Lennon returning and we seem to occupy the headline for the gossip page.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 04, 2017, 02:36:46 AM
He said something along the lines that Everton sign five players and none of them would get in the Liverpool team.

Clearly taking the piss.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toffee1 on July 04, 2017, 02:37:15 AM
Really? What a twat

Can't believe this warrants a whole article but here it is mate.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/liverpool-legend-jamie-carragher-trolls-everton/

Think it was in jest but with him, you never can be sure. Don't care really, just loving the way we are doing things and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 04, 2017, 02:37:39 AM
He said something along the lines that Everton sign five players and none of them would get in the Liverpool team.

Strange, considering it was widely reported they were interested in Keane and Pickford.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: di_guyo on July 04, 2017, 02:37:39 AM
Clearly taking the piss.

Surely...Pickford and Keane would walk in.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 04, 2017, 02:38:32 AM
Surely...Pickford and Keane would walk in.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 04, 2017, 02:39:00 AM
Nope, I like this, keep on going, the better quality players we can bring the better. We need a bigger squad with all the competitions. Hopefully we can still bring another 2-3 more before the window shuts.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Simon Paul on July 04, 2017, 02:39:04 AM
closet Evertonian over-compensating
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: gizzblue on July 04, 2017, 02:39:17 AM
He said something along the lines that Everton sign five players and none of them would get in the Liverpool team.
No they just overspend on a shite Chelsea and prem reject that will get in their team 😅😅hope Salah is as shite as his first stint in the prem .
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: di_guyo on July 04, 2017, 02:40:05 AM
No they just overspend on a shite Chelsea and prem reject that will get in their team 😅😅hope Salah is as shite as his first stint in the prem .

he's a good player tbf and not at all shite.

let's not resort to their levels.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 04, 2017, 02:43:11 AM
Reids response :)

https://twitter.com/reid6peter/status/881938398855954432
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: gizzblue on July 04, 2017, 02:51:14 AM
he's a good player tbf and not at all shite.

let's not resort to their levels.
Never did anything but shit in the prem....but what ever .

Also it's Just Carra the rubberfoot has sand in his vagina again or wouldn't bother his arse whinging.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 02:55:36 AM
What's he said? A few weeks back he was advising Keane to join us above anyone else.
A pic of klopp looking a twat with the quote when the blues sign five lads and none would get in your starting xi
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 02:57:38 AM
Oh I see it's been covered :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: velimski on July 04, 2017, 03:10:20 AM
Can't imagine we'll be getting many more in. We don't want to do a Spurs and do too much of a squad overhaul in one summer, it never works out well.

Reckon we need to sign 2 strikers if (when) Rom goes.

Could well end up being Giroud + Rooney.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2017, 03:16:33 AM
I don't think there will be a lull particularly. We still need cover at LB (assuming Galloway won't be it), probably another CB if we can, a couple of forwards, maybe a winger and maybe another creative midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 03:20:15 AM
The red banter machine is in full swing now but it will only get worse when Lukaku goes, just a fact.

I can't see us spending £200m and I'm not entirely sure I'd like us to, so when Lukaku goes I'm braced for the banter I think.

I would still deep down like a real head turner. A pacey RW upgrade on what we have, £30-£40m to get pulses racing, but I guess we can't complain if not much else happens.

Interesting that the young lads haven't been announced...pace them out over the lull maybe.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2017, 03:35:28 AM
Genuinely never heard them sound so threatened. Pages and pages worth on RAWK about how inferior we are, our signings are average, we're spending to stay in 7th at best, it's the Lukaku money etc etc.

The more they protest and whine, the more this 'not arsed' thing sounds hollow. Bad bellends the lot of them (even the ones in my family and friends).
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 04, 2017, 03:35:41 AM
I was talking to the old man before when the Keane deal went through, we are kind of in a state of shock at the moment  We also talked about the fantastic January window as well with the purchase of Schneiderlin and £11million on Lookman. To think we would spend 7 million on a player and immediately loan him out it is just mind blowing!

The hype machine is in full swing in the house of Lazarou.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 03:39:36 AM
I was talking to the old man before when the Keane deal went through, we are kind of in a state of shock at the moment  We also talked about the fantastic January window as well with the purchase of Schneiderlin and £11million on Lookman. To think we would spend 7 million on a player and immediately loan him out it is just mind blowing!

The hype machine is in full swing in the house of Lazarou.
Cant say your name without blasting into zanadoo by elo
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on July 04, 2017, 03:39:44 AM
The red banter machine is in full swing now but it will only get worse when Lukaku goes, just a fact.

I can't see us spending £200m and I'm not entirely sure I'd like us to, so when Lukaku goes I'm braced for the banter I think.

I would still deep down like a real head turner. A pacey RW upgrade on what we have, £30-£40m to get pulses racing, but I guess we can't complain if not much else happens.

Interesting that the young lads haven't been announced...pace them out over the lull maybe.

I was thinking before that if Mane hadn't gone to Liverpool last year we'd have been all over him now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 04, 2017, 03:42:52 AM
I don't think there will be a lull particularly. We still need cover at LB (assuming Galloway won't be it), probably another CB if we can, a couple of forwards, maybe a winger and maybe another creative midfielder.

I agree in the main.

I really feel we will go for six or seven more, particularly if we sell/move on Lukaku, Barkley, and maybe McCarthy, Jagielka, Funes Mori, and even Mirallas.

I have a feeling it will be something like:

LB: Mendy (Le Havre)
CB: Smalling or Lemos
DM/CM: Dendonker (helped with the goodwill of loaning Anderlecht Onyekuru)
AM/FW: Rooney or Sigurdsson
W/FW: Demerai Gray or Ghezzal
ST: Giroud
ST/FW/W: Andre Gray.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 04, 2017, 03:49:55 AM
I still think they'll be a really big 1. 40-50 million on a wide forward. Am I setting myself up for disappointment?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: velimski on July 04, 2017, 03:53:43 AM
Cant say your name without blasting into zanadoo by elo

I can't say it without thinking of the France's 1998 World Cup winning left back, Bixente.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mr. Devil on July 04, 2017, 04:02:32 AM
Nothing new at Everton. Up for one long boring summer.

Can't wait for deadline day. Refresh after refresh.

Love it so far though.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: velimski on July 04, 2017, 04:10:43 AM
6 or 7 more signings would leave me frantically searching for my emergency supply of valium.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bally on July 04, 2017, 04:10:57 AM
Coukd this be the first year I don't have to stick around all day for deadline day
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 04, 2017, 04:12:03 AM
I can't say it without thinking of the France's 1998 World Cup winning left back, Bixente.

Same.

My second favourite left back ever.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 04, 2017, 04:15:42 AM
Same.

My second favourite left back ever.

First? Maldini?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2017, 04:17:25 AM
First? Maldini?

Bainesy, you madman.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mr. Devil on July 04, 2017, 04:19:38 AM
Coukd this be the first year I don't have to stick around all day for deadline day

As if...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: velimski on July 04, 2017, 04:20:31 AM
Same.

My second favourite left back ever.

Pistone Lahm?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 04:21:10 AM
I was thinking before that if Mane hadn't gone to Liverpool last year we'd have been all over him now.

Every club in the world would be I think. Pace and goals from RW, one of the hardest types of player to find.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 04, 2017, 04:24:50 AM
I can't see us spending £200m and I'm not entirely sure I'd like us to.

I would still deep down like a real head turner.

This is what I'm hoping for next - we've beefed the squad - lets get the 1, 2 or even 3 mega-signings that make the kopites shit their beds!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 04, 2017, 04:25:37 AM
Pistone Lahm Pembridge?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 04:25:37 AM
Zanadoo
Zanadooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 04, 2017, 04:28:01 AM
Can't believe this warrants a whole article but here it is mate.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/liverpool-legend-jamie-carragher-trolls-everton/

Think it was in jest but with him, you never can be sure. Don't care really, just loving the way we are doing things and long may it continue.

Sky Sports are staying classy.

They did a whole headline thing on our signings, and also mentioned us looking at Giroud and Rooney as well.

And yet they finish the piece with Carraghers pathetic tweet.

Smirks to the camera from nobend presenters.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 04, 2017, 04:29:11 AM
Honestly only see is getting a net of two more players.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 04:30:35 AM
Sky Sports are staying classy.

They did a whole headline thing on our signings, and also mentioned us looking at Giroud and Rooney as well.

And yet they finish the piece with Carraghers pathetic tweet.

Smirks to the camera from nobend presenters.
Carra works for them... No shock there
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on July 04, 2017, 04:37:18 AM
This window has been as good as we could've hoped for, but it's just as exciting now, to see who we could potentially add to put the icing on the cake.
Would love to see Andrew Robertson from Hull to put a bit of pressure on Baines. A bit more pace in the side, possibly Demarai Gray who I think will be quality in 2 or 3 years.
Keeping Lukaku and Barkley would also definitely make people sit up and take serious notice.
Bring it on!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 04:38:59 AM
This is what I'm hoping for next - we've beefed the squad - lets get the 1, 2 or even 3 mega-signings that make the kopites shit their beds!

Giroud
Rooney
Sigurdsson
My Pacey Winger - Lemina? BERARDI (please)

Then Rom, Oumar, McGeady out.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 04, 2017, 04:43:23 AM
This window has been as good as we could've hoped for, but it's just as exciting now, to see who we could potentially add to put the icing on the cake.
Would love to see Andrew Robertson from Hull to put a bit of pressure on Baines. A bit more pace in the side, possibly Demarai Gray who I think will be quality in 2 or 3 years.
Keeping Lukaku and Barkley would also definitely make people sit up and take serious notice.
Bring it on!!
Would rather Chilwell from Leicester if we're going for a left back.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on July 04, 2017, 04:54:09 AM
Would rather Chilwell from Leicester if we're going for a left back.

Haven't really seen much of him tbh.
Robertson just reminds me of Baines 6 or 7 years ago. Loves attacking and linking up, with a great cross on him.
I can't see Galloway being ready to step up just yet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 04, 2017, 04:55:40 AM
Would rather Chilwell from Leicester if we're going for a left back.

Leicester's owner makes Moshiri look like a peasant. Not a chance of getting him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jay on July 04, 2017, 04:59:53 AM
Going for a pacey winger its gotta be Lozano imo.....vague inkling i may have read he has moved somewhere tho lol
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 05:02:22 AM
Going for a pacey winger its gotta be Lozano imo.....vague inkling i may have read he has moved somewhere tho lol

Is that "Chucky"? Yeah he moved, Germany I think?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 04, 2017, 05:02:34 AM
Leicester's owner makes Moshiri look like a peasant. Not a chance of getting him.

Why?  Theyre selling Mahrez.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on July 04, 2017, 05:03:50 AM
Leicester's owner makes Moshiri look like a peasant. Not a chance of getting him.

And they sold Kante'.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 04, 2017, 05:13:33 AM
Leicester's owner makes Moshiri look like a peasant. Not a chance of getting him.

Don't recall them ever really splashing the cash?

If we want anyone from them we'll get them.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 04, 2017, 05:35:41 AM
I still think Koeman wants to play a 3-5-2 ideally

Which means we would really need a left sided wing back to come in, with Coleman and Kenny both being perfect on the right

Chilwell would definitely fit the bill imo
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on July 04, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
I still think Koeman wants to play a 3-5-2 ideally

Which means we would really need a left sided wing back to come in, with Coleman and Kenny both being perfect on the right

Chilwell would definitely fit the bill imo

Really hope Kenny gets a chance whilst Coleman is out.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 04, 2017, 12:01:57 PM
I still think Koeman wants to play a 3-5-2 ideally

Which means we would really need a left sided wing back to come in, with Coleman and Kenny both being perfect on the right

Chilwell would definitely fit the bill imo

Don't think he's really ever played that consistently, certainly not in his time in the PL, only really in expediency.

Think we'd be linked with many more CBs.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/882143279936135168
https://twitter.com/philmcnulty/status/882143433556623362


Think this sums it up pretty well.
We needed these players. We still need a striker, cover for right back and potentially 1 more creative winger/midfielder. These will all come in.
If we then sell Lukaku we will go out and replace that position in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bally on July 04, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
Just gonna drop this in here.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170704/420acedc034b7114eeb6e6eddf7be1cc.jpg)
#NorrarsedMate
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 04, 2017, 03:02:31 PM
Just gonna drop this in here.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170704/420acedc034b7114eeb6e6eddf7be1cc.jpg)
#NorrarsedMate

This is what happens when the government cuts funding to care in the community projects
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ramjam on July 04, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
Just gonna drop this in here.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170704/420acedc034b7114eeb6e6eddf7be1cc.jpg)
#NorrarsedMate

Panic stations setting in
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toffee1 on July 04, 2017, 03:08:49 PM
This is what happens when the government cuts funding to care in the community projects

Oh dear - you have to feel sorry for them as this is what panic does to you.

They should watch the interview with Kieran Reed after the test last Saturday about how to be gracious. Not that I want to give them ideas but should they not be spending time lobbying their board and printing the obligatory protest t-shirt about their lack of signings so far?



Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on July 04, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
So who are we signing today?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 03:40:47 PM
I think this year might be my most hate filled year yet for those lot.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 04, 2017, 03:46:59 PM
Just gonna drop this in here.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170704/420acedc034b7114eeb6e6eddf7be1cc.jpg)
#NorrarsedMate

What a cock.

Surely success is built on solid foundations, good management and a bit of luck, not trophies.

Trophies are a measure of success.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on July 04, 2017, 03:47:53 PM
Is there anything worse than when they call him Bobby Firmino
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 03:53:33 PM
They're panicking.

They're also obsessed with us, I've never understood why? The majority of Evertonians I know couldn't give a fuck what they do or who they sign, we just don't care.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 04, 2017, 03:55:18 PM
The red shites at work have been very quiet so far, did not even get much of a murmur out of them signing Salah who appears to be a totally underwhelming signing even at £35million. Of course I keep my dignity but I think they can see the future and it is not red it's blue.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue1948 on July 04, 2017, 05:16:15 PM
Just gonna drop this in here.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170704/420acedc034b7114eeb6e6eddf7be1cc.jpg)
#NorrarsedMate
Doesn't it give you a lovely warm glow when they start spouting  . A few arses twitching around Norway methinks!!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 05:23:07 PM
Honestly, I don't understand why they're so arsed about us, they could sign Messi and I wouldn't lose a single second of sleep over it, that's how much I care about what they do.

Said the above to one of the reds in work about half an hour ago and he called me bitter, so I asked him to explain to me where the bitter tag comes from and what it relates to, he didn't know
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bally on July 04, 2017, 05:38:47 PM
Honestly, I don't understand why they're so arsed about us, they could sign Messi and I wouldn't lose a single second of sleep over it, that's how much I care about what they do.

Said the above to one of the reds in work about half an hour ago and he called me bitter, so I asked him to explain to me where the bitter tag comes from and what it relates to, he didn't know
I always ask that, every time, 5 times lad
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 04, 2017, 06:32:34 PM
Want us to bring in some flair players now. Match winners.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: stirlingblue on July 04, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
I always ask that, every time, 5 times lad

To be fair, if you had recently learned to count to 5 you'd want to show off
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Big Nev on July 04, 2017, 06:47:28 PM
Have we signed anyone else today yet?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on July 04, 2017, 06:55:41 PM
How cute!

https://twitter.com/EFCSnapped/status/882203386917081088
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: dazfrancis on July 04, 2017, 07:03:50 PM
Some receding hairlines amongst the new signings
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2017, 07:34:18 PM
Decent read...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jul/04/everton-transfer-deals-premier-league-top-four-ronald-koeman
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 04, 2017, 07:56:05 PM
I also think that the top 6 teams being strong will help us rather than make it more difficult for us.

With the strength they have, you soon reach a level of individual player ability that is high enough that it eventually becomes an equaliser. And even if you have a squad just below that level, bridging that gap doesn't have to mean buying star names.

I find it annoying when peope quote Leicester as an example to prove almost any football argument but I find myself using it now.

Ironically though, this could actually hurt us. That bonding and understanding/organisation that we will need will be hard to achieve with so many new players and an almost inevitable change in style too. All the more reason to buy early, and that's what we've done.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 07:57:33 PM
I like how they're flip flopping between - spending all that means you have to get top 4 of it's a failure, and we'll blow you out the water with keita and none of these would start for a big club.

Well, which one is it? Can't have it both ways like.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Escla on July 04, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Decent read...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jul/04/everton-transfer-deals-premier-league-top-four-ronald-koeman

Was enjoying that article up to the point where the reference to Europa League impacting on League position sent a shiver down my back.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
I like how they're flip flopping between - spending all that means you have to get top 4 of it's a failure, and we'll blow you out the water with keita and none of these would start for a big club.

Well, which one is it? Can't have it both ways like.

They have literally spent a billion pounds in the premier league and never won it.
I'm not concerned about their opinions to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
I also think that the top 6 teams being strong will help us rather than make it more difficult for us.

With the strength they have, you soon reach a level of individual player ability that is high enough that it eventually becomes an equaliser. And even if you have a squad just below that level, bridging that gap doesn't have to mean buying star names.
I'd tend to agree with that.

There's 78 points to be picked up from the teams in 8th through 20th compared to 36 from the top 6. Given that, it's probably more important at this stage for us to be much, much better than the bottom 13 than it is for us to be better than the top 6.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 04, 2017, 08:22:34 PM
I'd tend to agree with that.

There's 78 points to be picked up from the teams in 8th through 20th compared to 36 from the top 6. Given that, it's probably more important at this stage for us to be much, much better than the bottom 13 than it is for us to be better than the top 6.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 08:22:44 PM
I'd tend to agree with that.

There's 78 points to be picked up from the teams in 8th through 20th compared to 36 from the top 6. Given that, it's probably more important at this stage for us to be much, much better than the bottom 13 than it is for us to be better than the top 6.

yes. Good point.
Obviously it means winning the league is a bit further away. But we can all accept it is a long way off anyway.
But if we all smash those below us and we can pick up *some* points of those above us then we are in the mix as they will, obviously, have to take points off each other.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on July 04, 2017, 08:24:43 PM
They have literally spent a billion pounds in the premier league and never won it.
I'm not concerned about their opinions to be honest.

I think they are the only team to have spent a billion or two, can't remember which, but to have never won the premier league
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2017, 08:41:21 PM
yes. Good point.
Obviously it means winning the league is a bit further away. But we can all accept it is a long way off anyway.
But if we all smash those below us and we can pick up *some* points of those above us then we are in the mix as they will, obviously, have to take points off each other.
Consistently hitting the ~70 points would be the first aim over the next two seasons for me.

We managed 61 last season, so I don't think that's at all unattainable either. We won 1 in 10 mid-September to mid-December and only won one of our last 5.

Regularly hit 70+ points and we'll start to look a lot more like serious contenders and we'll be in with a shout of 4th most seasons.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 08:43:05 PM
20 wins, 10 draws and 8 losses?

Can't decide whether that sounds well hard or well achievable actually.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 04, 2017, 08:47:16 PM
20 wins, 10 draws and 8 losses?

Can't decide whether that sounds well hard or well achievable actually.

We won 21, drew 9 and lost 8 when we finished on 72 points and 5th place.

It's weird because that would have been enough for CL place in previous seasons, and even enough for 2nd place when Leicester won the league...but wouldn't have even got us top 5 last season.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: dangermouse on July 04, 2017, 08:48:30 PM
20 wins, 10 draws and 8 losses?

Can't decide whether that sounds well hard or well achievable actually.

I cant wait until we start seeing peoples prem predictions :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 08:50:36 PM
We won 21, drew 9 and lost 8 when we finished on 72 points and 5th place.


and that was a big season for us
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2017, 09:00:21 PM
20 wins, 10 draws and 8 losses?

Can't decide whether that sounds well hard or well achievable actually.
I wasn't suggesting it was easy, just that it's achievable. :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trowel on July 04, 2017, 09:00:42 PM
Another decent read, with one of my favourite lines of the summer so far:

Jordan Pickford is a huge upgrade in goal, though after a season of Joel Robles and Maarten Stekelenburg, so too would have been a scarecrow in gloves.

http://www.football365.com/news/everton-sprint-out-of-the-blocks-for-a-marathon

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 04, 2017, 09:00:52 PM
Consistently hitting the ~70 points would be the first aim over the next two seasons for me.

We managed 61 last season, so I don't think that's at all unattainable either. We won 1 in 10 mid-September to mid-December and only won one of our last 5.

Regularly hit 70+ points and we'll start to look a lot more like serious contenders and we'll be in with a shout of 4th most seasons.

70 is an excellent, very fair target.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 04, 2017, 09:05:17 PM
70 is an excellent, very fair target.

What position in the league would 70 points have gotten us over the last 5 seasons?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: formerKHL on July 04, 2017, 09:07:08 PM
TBH....where I work it's nice to be getting all the wind ups re Everton in the positive...if you get my meaning.....

rather than the negative stuff that usually I get about Everton....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2017, 09:10:20 PM
What position in the league would 70 points have gotten us over the last 5 seasons?
2016/17: 6th (4th = 76)
2015/16: 3rd or 4th (4th = 66)
2014/15: 4th or 5th (4th = 70)
2013/14: 5th (4th = 79)
2012/13: 6th (4th = 73)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 04, 2017, 09:11:31 PM
What position in the league would 70 points have gotten us over the last 5 seasons?

Moving back in time:

6th, 3rd(T), 4th(T), (still 5th - this was year we finished 5th on 72), 6th
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 04, 2017, 09:18:11 PM
20 wins, 10 draws and 8 losses?

Can't decide whether that sounds well hard or well achievable actually.

Throw in another 15ish minimum wins for the EL, and another 8 for decent runs in the other cups and you're looking at plenty of happy times on this place.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 04, 2017, 09:24:11 PM
Throw in another 15ish minimum wins for the EL, and another 8 for decent runs in the other cups and you're looking at plenty of happy times on this place.

The Cups will be interesting.  We will have to make a whole bunch of changes for those, hopefully there's enough depth that people won't get too pissed off about it (and we can still manage to progress).
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 04, 2017, 09:28:01 PM
2016/17: 6th (4th = 76)
2015/16: 3rd or 4th (4th = 66)
2014/15: 4th or 5th (4th = 70)
2013/14: 5th (4th = 79)
2012/13: 6th (4th = 73)

Cheers. Then I think 70+ should be the target.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on July 04, 2017, 09:36:16 PM
4/5 more wins should get us top 4- bare in mind we lost to swansea, bournemouth & burnley away, if we maintain our home form, and improve our below par away form (I think we will) we can do it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 05, 2017, 05:39:36 AM
Nice little article from Joyce

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/how-moshiris-money-and-ambition-are-making-everton-relevant-again-6cw5ssmvv
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2017, 05:41:47 AM
Nice little article from Joyce

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/how-moshiris-money-and-ambition-are-making-everton-relevant-again-6cw5ssmvv

Copy and paste thank you please
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 05, 2017, 05:43:31 AM
Paul Joyce Article

Peek beyond the headline figure, one which seemingly spirals by the week as another high-profile recruit arrives, and it is not just what Everton are doing in the transfer market which captures the attention but how they are doing it.

This is a club whose supporters have grown accustomed to seeing business completed moments before the window closes rather than delivering many targets before it had even opened. Deadline day will not quite be the same without the mad-cap rush to beat the clock.

Recent weeks will go down as the most expensive in Everton’s history, a period in which more than £95 million was lavished on signings such as Jordan Pickford, Davy Klaassen, Michael Keane, Sandro Ramírez, Henry Onyekuru and Cuco Martina (subject to confirmation), although the statement of intent had been delivered much earlier.

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Everton have already completed a number of signings this summer, including KeaneANDREW MATTHEWS/EMPICS SPORT
Farhad Moshiri, the billionaire businessman who became Everton’s major shareholder in 2016, does not make many public utterances, which is a shame given the chord he struck when addressing a general meeting back on January 4.

In a short speech, he realigned focus onto the pitch where the true barometer of success at any club has to be measured.

“We don’t want to be a museum, we want to be competitive and we want to win,” said Moshiri. “We don’t have all the time in the world. We have a window to establish ourselves.”

This window - and the spending will not stop with Gylfi Sigurdsson and Olivier Giroud targets and the prospect of bringing Wayne Rooney back to Goodison Park, either on loan or permanently – has left Evertonians understandably pinching themselves.

EVERTON’S SIGNINGS SO FAR THIS SUMMER
Jordan Pickford (from Sunderland) £30m
Davy Klaassen (Ajax) £23.6m
Henry Onyekuru (Eupen) £7m
Sandro Ramírez (Malaga) £5.25m
Michael Keane (Burnley) £30m
Total: £95.85m
Everton have spent around £170 million (recouping more than £70 million) since the arrival of Moshiri, who spent about £85 million to buy a 49.9 per cent stake and put up £80 million in the form of an interest-free loan to pay down debts of £54 million.

His finance has proved transformational but the test is translating it on to the pitch. Yet in becoming relevant again Everton are benefiting from a collision of new money and increased ambition, transfer nous and continuity.

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Koeman has been able to convince players of Everton’s potentialPA/PRESS ASSOCIATION
Director of football, Steve Walsh, is considered to possess an eye for a player and manager Ronald Koeman boasts a certain mystique for prospective targets as well as authority having retreated to Portugal over the summer, while chairman Bill Kenwright proceeded with delivering on a clear vision designed to harness potential and, in other cases, proven ability.

“Clearly the level of resource we now have at our disposal, following Farhad’s investment in the club, is making a difference,” said Everton chief executive officer, Robert Elstone. “But the way we operate in the transfer window, and indeed how we manage the business, remains based on the same principles we’ve worked to for many years.

“We’ve always had ambition and always supported our managers as much as we possibly can. We’ve traded well over many seasons - and the experience, discipline and creativity we’ve developed stands us in good stead now we have increased funds to work with.

A new Everton is threatening to emerge as quickly as the plans for a shimmering new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock
“In Steve Walsh, we know we’ve got someone leading our scouting who has a great eye for a player to take to Ronald and the board for consideration - and ultimately for the chairman to negotiate and bring to the club.

“As I’m sure everyone appreciates, Ronald is also a big draw for players when they’re considering whether to join us.”

It would have made little sense to take the role of negotiator-in-chief off Kenwright given his track record as one of the best in football. He remains responsible for persuading Moshiri to sell his stake in Arsenal and come on board, convincing him Everton’s “debts were assets” as Moshiri, himself, put it.

Kenwright knows only too well how Everton’s fortunes have changed, both figuratively and literally, having spent years where the early stages of his summer were eaten up negotiating with the banks to cut the club some slack .

And so there has inevitably been an adjustment he will have had to make when rival clubs recognise how the landscape has changed at Goodison Park and ask for bigger fees, players seek bigger wages and agents demand larger cuts. His ownership was spent railing against being ripped off and trying to make every penny count.

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Moshiri has transformed the club’s fortunes by offering his unconditional support to KenwrightTIMES PHOTOGRAPHER BRADLEY ORMESHER
It is here that Moshiri’s backing is best evident as he offers unconditional support which allows deals to be driven to conclusion without quibble.

There is no guarantee in-roads into the natural order will follow or that the glass ceiling will be smashed. Keane has potential for further improvement and interested former club Manchester United, but not sufficiently for them to go all out for him.

Pickford feels like an immediate upgrade on Joel Robles and Maarten Stekelenburg, but there is a clear onus on Koeman to now deliver with Everton clearly not content with viewing themselves as the best of the rest.

Whether or not Romelu Lukaku’s £100 million departure offsets the current outlay misses the point. A new Everton is threatening to emerge as quickly as the plans for a shimmering new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. Expect more expensive times to follow.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 05, 2017, 05:50:48 AM
This is the basis of the Cuco matina thread
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 05, 2017, 06:11:03 AM
Crap little list I did of players still at the club (and likely to play some minutes if retained) and rumoured transfer targets (in brackets)

GK: Pickford   Robles       Stekelenburg

RB: Coleman   (Martina) Kenny
CB: Keane    Jagielka      Holgate
CB: Williams(Smalling)(Lemos) Funes Mori
LB: Baines   (Mendy)

DM: Schneiderlin  Barry
CM: Gana (Dendoncker)McCarthy
CM: Klaassen  Davies   Besic

AM/FW: Barkley (Rooney)  Lookman Lennon
AM/FW: Sandro (Sigurdsson) Mirallas Bolasie

ST: Lukaku (Giroud)(Gray) Calvert-Lewin
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue1948 on July 05, 2017, 10:53:03 AM
Throw in another 15ish minimum wins for the EL, and another 8 for decent runs in the other cups and you're looking at plenty of happy times on this place.
Someone would still be moaning ,trust me
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2017, 05:48:59 PM
Us right now

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 05, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
Damn, Messi has agreed another deal with Barca http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11833/10937501/lionel-messi-agrees-new-barcelona-deal-until-2021

That's him off our list then ;)

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on July 05, 2017, 11:44:52 PM
We still have some moves left to make but I'm starting to wonder about how these players fit together. Based on our current squad and the most recent transfer links, I think we're closest to playing a 4-3-3 or an incredibly narrow 4-4-2. Since a narrow 4-4-2 sounds like an awful idea, here's a guess at how a 4-3-3 look. (I know @sam of the south (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1686) just did something like this above but I have too much time on my hands and wanted to sort the players slightly differently.)

GK: Pickford (Robles, Stekelenburg)
RB: Kenny ([Martina], Holgate, Coleman to return)
CB: Keane (Jagielka, Pennington)
CB: Williams (Funes Mori)
LB: Baines (Garbutt, Connolly, Robinson, Foulds)
DM: Schneiderlin (Barry, Walsh)
CM/DM: Gana (McCarthy, Besic)
CM/AM: Klaassen (Davies)
RWF: Mirallas (Lennon, Bolasie to return, put Sandro at the top of this list if he's better on the right)
CF: [Giroud]/[Rooney] (Sambou) [obvious assumptions being made here]
LWF: Sandro (Calvert-Lewin, Lookman, put Mirallas at the top of this list if Sandro is better on the right)

That seems workable. We (hypothetically) have Giroud for when we want a target man, Rooney for when we want extra creativity at centre forward, and both for when we're aggressively chasing a goal (in something like a 4-2-4). Sandro, Klaassen, and Mirallas (who we should upgrade but probably won't) provide plenty of attacking support. The sooner Bolasie gets fit, the better. He doesn't offer the goal threat that I'd want from that position but he'd be a good supplier for a target man like Giroud. Klaassen doesn't appear to be much of a creative passer but he makes clever runs into the penalty area, which is something we've lacked from our midfielders in recent seasons.

We won't be getting much width from that group of forward players so we'll need to lean heavily on the fullbacks, which could be an issue as this is probably our weakest area (in stark contrast to recent seasons). With Coleman injured, right back is a mess. I think Kenny is the best fit for providing a threat in the wide areas but we don't have any evidence that he can perform consistently since he's so new to PL football. I haven't been shy about sharing my opinion on Martina (I think he's terrible) but I'd love to be proven wrong. Holgate should only be used when we want to play defensively. Left back looks slightly better. Baines' positioning is good, he's a great passer, and he delivers nice crosses when he finds the time and space, though I do worry about his declining athleticism and his recent injury issues. The list of potential back-ups is a mixed bag at best so now would probably be a good time to look for his successor.

The defensive spine looks strong. Schneiderlin is one of the best defensive midfielders in the league, Gana provides extra defensive cover (even if I'd prefer someone who's better in possession), and Keane/Williams should be a solid pairing behind them. We have plenty of cover for our defensive midfielders (I really hope McCarthy gets another look because we could really use someone with his pace, positioning, and simple passing given all of the games we have) and Jagielka and Funes Mori are decent back-up CBs, even if I don't trust the latter.

It's safe to assume that Lukaku is going. I think it would be a mistake to bring Barkley back as a central attacking midfield option. If we want to keep Ross, we need to find him a different role, either as a Dembele-style transition midfielder or as winger who holds the ball up and plays in the half-spaces (which could work in an imbalanced 4-3-3, with someone like Klaassen giving him a third option in/around the box). I'd only allow McCarthy to leave if we get an offer that's too good to refuse. A bunch of fringe players, like McGeady, Tarashaj, Rodriguez, and Niasse (who we could find a role for if Koeman would have him back, which he won't), should come off the books.

In addition to the inevitable-seeming Martina and Rooney transfers and the strong possibility of Giroud, we probably still need a creative passer in midfield and a Baines successor, not to mention a younger centre forward option (unless Koeman sees Calvert-Lewin or Sambou making a big step up in the next couple of seasons).

That's a lot of work for a single summer. I can't wait for pre-season to get a feel for how Koeman actually plans on using this squad since there are a lot of moving pieces here and our end-of-season tactics left me with more questions than answers.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 06, 2017, 12:02:22 AM
We still have some moves left to make but I'm starting to wonder about how these players fit together. Based on our current squad and the most recent transfer links, I think we're closest to playing a 4-3-3 or an incredibly narrow 4-4-2. Since a narrow 4-4-2 sounds like an awful idea, here's a guess at how a 4-3-3 look. (I know @sam of the south (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1686) just did something like this above but I have too much time on my hands and wanted to sort the players slightly differently.)

GK: Pickford (Robles, Stekelenburg)
RB: Kenny ([Martina], Holgate, Coleman to return)
CB: Keane (Jagielka, Pennington)
CB: Williams (Funes Mori)
LB: Baines (Garbutt, Connolly, Robinson, Foulds)
DM: Schneiderlin (Barry, Walsh)
CM/DM: Gana (McCarthy, Besic)
CM/AM: Klaassen (Davies)
RWF: Mirallas (Lennon, Bolasie to return, put Sandro at the top of this list if he's better on the right)
CF: [Giroud]/[Rooney] (Sambou) [obvious assumptions being made here]
LWF: Sandro (Calvert-Lewin, Lookman, put Mirallas at the top of this list if Sandro is better on the right)

That seems workable. We (hypothetically) have Giroud for when we want a target man, Rooney for when we want extra creativity at centre forward, and both for when we're aggressively chasing a goal (in something like a 4-2-4). Sandro, Klaassen, and Mirallas (who we should upgrade but probably won't) provide plenty of attacking support. The sooner Bolasie gets fit, the better. He doesn't offer the goal threat that I'd want from that position but he'd be a good supplier for a target man like Giroud. Klaassen doesn't appear to be much of a creative passer but he makes clever runs into the penalty area, which is something we've lacked from our midfielders in recent seasons.

We won't be getting much width from that group of forward players so we'll need to lean heavily on the fullbacks, which could be an issue as this is probably our weakest area (in stark contrast to recent seasons). With Coleman injured, right back is a mess. I think Kenny is the best fit for providing a threat in the wide areas but we don't have any evidence that he can perform consistently since he's so new to PL football. I haven't been shy about sharing my opinion on Martina (I think he's terrible) but I'd love to be proven wrong. Holgate should only be used when we want to play defensively. Left back looks slightly better. Baines' positioning is good, he's a great passer, and he delivers nice crosses when he finds the time and space, though I do worry about his declining athleticism and his recent injury issues. The list of potential back-ups is a mixed bag at best so now would probably be a good time to look for his successor.

The defensive spine looks strong. Schneiderlin is one of the best defensive midfielders in the league, Gana provides extra defensive cover (even if I'd prefer someone who's better in possession), and Keane/Williams should be a solid pairing behind them. We have plenty of cover for our defensive midfielders (I really hope McCarthy gets another look because we could really use someone with his pace, positioning, and simple passing given all of the games we have) and Jagielka and Funes Mori are decent back-up CBs, even if I don't trust the latter.

It's safe to assume that Lukaku is going. I think it would be a mistake to bring Barkley back as a central attacking midfield option. If we want to keep Ross, we need to find him a different role, either as a Dembele-style transition midfielder or as winger who holds the ball up and plays in the half-spaces (which could work in an imbalanced 4-3-3, with someone like Klaassen giving him a third option in/around the box). I'd only allow McCarthy to leave if we get an offer that's too good to refuse. A bunch of fringe players, like McGeady, Tarashaj, Rodriguez, and Niasse (who we could find a role for if Koeman would have him back, which he won't), should come off the books.

In addition to the inevitable-seeming Martina and Rooney transfers and the strong possibility of Giroud, we probably still need a creative passer in midfield and a Baines successor, not to mention a younger centre forward option (unless Koeman sees Calvert-Lewin or Sambou making a big step up in the next couple of seasons).

That's a lot of work for a single summer. I can't wait for pre-season to get a feel for how Koeman actually plans on using this squad since there are a lot of moving pieces here and our end-of-season tactics left me with more questions than answers.

I only did mine to smoke you out, because I knew you would do it far more comprehensively 😉
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 06, 2017, 12:48:50 AM
We still have some moves left to make but I'm starting to wonder about how these players fit together. Based on our current squad and the most recent transfer links, I think we're closest to playing a 4-3-3 or an incredibly narrow 4-4-2. Since a narrow 4-4-2 sounds like an awful idea, here's a guess at how a 4-3-3 look. (I know @sam of the south (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1686) just did something like this above but I have too much time on my hands and wanted to sort the players slightly differently.)

GK: Pickford (Robles, Stekelenburg)
RB: Kenny ([Martina], Holgate, Coleman to return)
CB: Keane (Jagielka, Pennington)
CB: Williams (Funes Mori)
LB: Baines (Garbutt, Connolly, Robinson, Foulds)
DM: Schneiderlin (Barry, Walsh)
CM/DM: Gana (McCarthy, Besic)
CM/AM: Klaassen (Davies)
RWF: Mirallas (Lennon, Bolasie to return, put Sandro at the top of this list if he's better on the right)
CF: [Giroud]/[Rooney] (Sambou) [obvious assumptions being made here]
LWF: Sandro (Calvert-Lewin, Lookman, put Mirallas at the top of this list if Sandro is better on the right)

That seems workable. We (hypothetically) have Giroud for when we want a target man, Rooney for when we want extra creativity at centre forward, and both for when we're aggressively chasing a goal (in something like a 4-2-4). Sandro, Klaassen, and Mirallas (who we should upgrade but probably won't) provide plenty of attacking support. The sooner Bolasie gets fit, the better. He doesn't offer the goal threat that I'd want from that position but he'd be a good supplier for a target man like Giroud. Klaassen doesn't appear to be much of a creative passer but he makes clever runs into the penalty area, which is something we've lacked from our midfielders in recent seasons.

We won't be getting much width from that group of forward players so we'll need to lean heavily on the fullbacks, which could be an issue as this is probably our weakest area (in stark contrast to recent seasons). With Coleman injured, right back is a mess. I think Kenny is the best fit for providing a threat in the wide areas but we don't have any evidence that he can perform consistently since he's so new to PL football. I haven't been shy about sharing my opinion on Martina (I think he's terrible) but I'd love to be proven wrong. Holgate should only be used when we want to play defensively. Left back looks slightly better. Baines' positioning is good, he's a great passer, and he delivers nice crosses when he finds the time and space, though I do worry about his declining athleticism and his recent injury issues. The list of potential back-ups is a mixed bag at best so now would probably be a good time to look for his successor.

The defensive spine looks strong. Schneiderlin is one of the best defensive midfielders in the league, Gana provides extra defensive cover (even if I'd prefer someone who's better in possession), and Keane/Williams should be a solid pairing behind them. We have plenty of cover for our defensive midfielders (I really hope McCarthy gets another look because we could really use someone with his pace, positioning, and simple passing given all of the games we have) and Jagielka and Funes Mori are decent back-up CBs, even if I don't trust the latter.

It's safe to assume that Lukaku is going. I think it would be a mistake to bring Barkley back as a central attacking midfield option. If we want to keep Ross, we need to find him a different role, either as a Dembele-style transition midfielder or as winger who holds the ball up and plays in the half-spaces (which could work in an imbalanced 4-3-3, with someone like Klaassen giving him a third option in/around the box). I'd only allow McCarthy to leave if we get an offer that's too good to refuse. A bunch of fringe players, like McGeady, Tarashaj, Rodriguez, and Niasse (who we could find a role for if Koeman would have him back, which he won't), should come off the books.

In addition to the inevitable-seeming Martina and Rooney transfers and the strong possibility of Giroud, we probably still need a creative passer in midfield and a Baines successor, not to mention a younger centre forward option (unless Koeman sees Calvert-Lewin or Sambou making a big step up in the next couple of seasons).

That's a lot of work for a single summer. I can't wait for pre-season to get a feel for how Koeman actually plans on using this squad since there are a lot of moving pieces here and our end-of-season tactics left me with more questions than answers.

So, bring in Mendy/Tierney, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Dendoncker, Demarai Gray, Giroud, and Rooney and we should be fine, then 😁
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2017, 12:50:25 AM
I'm not going to worry about shape until we see the end of the window.

Loads left in this I think.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 06, 2017, 01:05:36 AM
Based on last season, Koeman coming from Barcelona and Ajax traditions, I would be astronomically surprised if we didn't start with a variation of 433/451.

There are some questions about who starts up top or out wide, but most of the positions are fairly obvious other than that.

Think most of the players we've signed will either go straight in the first team or very soon after. Can see Sandro not playing every minute and Keane rotating with others to begin with, but would assume both would find a regular place if form warrants it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on July 06, 2017, 01:06:58 AM
Based on last season, Koeman coming from Barcelona and Ajax traditions, I would be astronomically surprised if we didn't start with a variation of 433/451.

There are some questions about who starts up top or out wide, but most of the positions are fairly obvious other than that.

Think most of the players we've signed will either go straight in the first team or very soon after. Can see Sandro not playing every minute and Keane rotating with others to begin with, but would assume both would find a regular place if form warrants it.
be a 433 with a narrow front 3, full backs bombing on

wouldnt be surprised to see 3cbs in those tough away games early on
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 06, 2017, 01:07:35 AM
be a 433 with a narrow front 3, full backs bombing on

wouldnt be surprised to see 3cbs in those tough away games early on

Exactly
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 06, 2017, 01:16:52 AM
Koeman loves a 4-3-3, but with the sheer size of the squad, its going to present a problem :) But what a problem to have; having basically two teams of quality players to pick from at the end of the window. What a refreshing change from racing to get players fit and playing fringe players often out of position. Cant fucking wait!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on July 06, 2017, 01:24:24 AM
So, bring in Mendy/Tierney, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Dendoncker, Demarai Gray, Giroud, and Rooney and we should be fine, then 😁

Something like that, if we can afford it.

I think Mendy is off the table (both Ferland and Benjamin, since I'm not sure which one you're talking about) and I don't think Sigurdsson has shown enough as an open play passer to be worth it (killer set pieces though).
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 06, 2017, 01:46:06 AM
I'm not going to worry about shape until we see the end of the window.

Loads left in this I think.
As long as Walshy's on top of it I'm not arsed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueForYou on July 06, 2017, 01:48:24 AM
Yep, take Mendy off and add Mata

Haven't been this excited since 1997 when it looked like Andy Gray was going to be manager
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 06, 2017, 02:33:39 AM
Something like that, if we can afford it.

I think Mendy is off the table (both Ferland and Benjamin, since I'm not sure which one you're talking about) and I don't think Sigurdsson has shown enough as an open play passer to be worth it (killer set pieces though).

Yeah, I only put (Le Havre) Mendy and Sigurddson because we've been linked to them both; I really wouldn't choose Sigurddson as someone who could solve our creative void, but I'm sure Walsh and Koeman know far better than me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2017, 02:45:46 AM
As long as Walshy's on top of it I'm not arsed.

Well it will have to be some kind of square, or rectangle then.

A triangle is too pointy, and anything circular is out as well of course.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on July 06, 2017, 02:59:31 AM
Not been on much , suddenly loads of new threads ,  come on guys stop it,   Chinese deals, Raul Jimenez,   
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sirblue57 on July 06, 2017, 03:15:21 AM
easy to.spot fellow.blues though...shellshocked inane grins on their faces...wondering round just smiling at kopites ....not.bothering to order new f5 keys.....ah happy days..
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 06, 2017, 03:21:44 AM
It's funny listening to some of the less mouthy kopites though, they're in complete denial.

Spoke to one today and he's usually sound but he had a little dig at everything, he just can't get his head around it and he's desperate for us to fail.

"Ye that Klaassen, you don't know what your getting with them Dutch though"

"He was a flop at Barcelona that Sandro wasn't he?"

"He was a flop at Utd that Keane wasn't he?"

"Hell of a risk that Pickford, 5th in line for an England spot isn't he? Relegated too"

"I'm sure you'll have to sell your best to make all that money back"

"I think he'll do well for a team like you Rooney"
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on July 06, 2017, 03:24:46 AM
It's funny listening to some of the less mouthy kopites though, they're in complete denial.

Spoke to one today and he's usually sound but he had a little dig at everything, he just can't get his head around it and he's desperate for us to fail.

"Ye that Klaassen, you don't know what your getting with them Dutch though"

"He was a flop at Barcelona that Sandro wasn't he?"

"He was a flop at Utd that Keane wasn't he?"

"Hell of a risk that Pickford, 5th in line for an England spot isn't he? Relegated too"

"I'm sure you'll have to sell your best to make all that money back"

"I think he'll do well for a team like you Rooney"

I spoke to one of my mates the other month about us being basically nailed on to get Keane when Koeman was talking about him, few weeks later Liverpool were linked and he was saying how that's exactly the type of player they should be after.

Goes through yesterday and I bring it up again "decent signing that"
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 06, 2017, 03:31:19 AM
It's funny listening to some of the less mouthy kopites though, they're in complete denial.

Spoke to one today and he's usually sound but he had a little dig at everything, he just can't get his head around it and he's desperate for us to fail.

"Ye that Klaassen, you don't know what your getting with them Dutch though"

"He was a flop at Barcelona that Sandro wasn't he?"

"He was a flop at Utd that Keane wasn't he?"

"Hell of a risk that Pickford, 5th in line for an England spot isn't he? Relegated too"

"I'm sure you'll have to sell your best to make all that money back"

"I think he'll do well for a team like you Rooney"

That is spot-on.

Kopites are all nobheads when it comes to discussing football matters.

They can be incredibly rational and intelligent human beings, but then football comes up, and everything is related back to Liverpool (even if you're talking about the performances of Eder and Zico in Espana '82) and after a few minutes everything that comes out their mouths is drenched in a mixture of bullshit, bile, and bitter stomach acid.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TerryFeckWit on July 06, 2017, 03:39:15 AM
Quote from: kramer0 on July 05, 2017, 11:44:52 PM
"not to mention a younger centre forward option (unless Koeman sees Calvert-Lewin or Sambou making a big step up in the next couple of seasons)."

Ademola? Henry next year?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 06, 2017, 04:37:06 AM
Still loads left in the tank yet.

We've spent around £85m and recouped about £23m. So a net spend of about £60m. Lukaku's sale will more than wipe that out leaving us in credit for phase two. Interesting summer to come.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: arteta4spain on July 06, 2017, 06:32:59 AM
Still loads left in the tank yet.

We've spent around £85m and recouped about £23m. So a net spend of about £60m. Lukaku's sale will more than wipe that out leaving us in credit for phase two. Interesting summer to come.
Hmm £60 mill, where've I heard that figure before! 😉
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Glory on July 06, 2017, 10:55:24 AM
The one thing over everything else that I have loved about our window so far is that we havr done business early.

Key targets are in for the start of pre-season allowing for the manager to get an undertsanding of his squad as well as allowing the new guys to develop relationships with rest of the squad.

I think this will pay massive dividends, particularly given our tough start to the season!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 06, 2017, 08:00:22 PM
If we could sort the experienced Lukaku replacements(s) in Giroud (and maybe Rooney) I think we need another young gun.

I would like either Dembele or Dolberg.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 06, 2017, 08:10:17 PM
Still think a few more will leave to offset some spending. I don't see another £100m outlay on top of what we've done so far, which is only spending net £60m. I wouldn't want us to bring in too many in one go anyway. Trying to integrate ten players into a squad in one go will give any team teething problems settling in, especially with the tough start we have.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 06, 2017, 08:13:54 PM
Still think a few more will leave to offset some spending. I don't see another £100m outlay on top of what we've done so far, which is only spending net £60m. I wouldn't want us to bring in too many in one go anyway. Trying to integrate ten players into a squad in one go will give any team teething problems settling in, especially with the tough start we have.

Don't think net spend will be a problem at all, but would still like to see the back of McCarthy if we can get anything for him.  Choosing his hobby over his job is completely unacceptable.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 06, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
Still think a few more will leave to offset some spending. I don't see another £100m outlay on top of what we've done so far, which is only spending net £60m. I wouldn't want us to bring in too many in one go anyway. Trying to integrate ten players into a squad in one go will give any team teething problems settling in, especially with the tough start we have.

Nah we only want a couple more - but they should be showstoppers.

I've said it before - we've beefed up the squad - now we need the icing on the cake.

Everyone know's we're going places. Everyone's seen the business we're doing.

If we can now attract, convince and buy 1 or 2 players in the £40-60M bracket (each) - even the top four will be shitting it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
A replacement for Lukaku should be a priority now, then we get him id like to see at least 3 more quality players in

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 06, 2017, 10:09:34 PM
The good thing about potentially getting Rooney and Giroud in before selling Rom is we will have £80M potentially to burn to comply with FFP which will mean we could, if we wanted, at least TRY and get a solid £50-60M player in if needs be.

Either way I would like to see someone come in with genuine pace up top, its looking a little slow and sluggish.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 06, 2017, 10:29:28 PM
I'm going to need a statement signing if Lukaku goes.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 06, 2017, 10:30:58 PM
I'm going to need a statement signing if Lukaku goes.

I'd still like to vastly overpay for VVD, myself.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 06, 2017, 10:52:28 PM
I think we need a high net spend to capture the players we need to improve significantly enough to push for a CL place. Also, to change how we're perceived. If Rooney is the only significant signing after the Lukaku sale, we'd be seen as the same old Everton.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 07, 2017, 04:30:44 AM
Have we really not signed/announced anyone at all today?

FFS Everton - what a let-down.

Did you ever notice before how shit and boring days without signings are?    :(
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Buck76 on July 07, 2017, 09:07:49 AM
If we could sort the experienced Lukaku replacements(s) in Giroud (and maybe Rooney) I think we need another young gun.

I would like either Dembele or Dolberg.

Spot on, think we'll go for Dembele this window & still think we've got 5plus players to come in with a similar amount leaving... McGready, McCarthy, Niasse, Robles, Lennon (Barkley?)...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Makis on July 07, 2017, 03:35:58 PM
I hope we don't go for Dembele. Even shit players can score in SPL. I wouldn't mind a punt for a reasonable price but he's way overpriced. There are better alternatives at that price.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 07, 2017, 03:41:56 PM
I hope we don't go for Dembele. Even shit players can score in SPL. I wouldn't mind a punt for a reasonable price but he's way overpriced. There are better alternatives at that price.

Yeh, from £500k last summer to rumoured £30m this summer after a year playing in a pub league where he didn't even finish as top scorer at his own club let alone the league. He looks promising but at a price that reflects the above.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 07, 2017, 03:44:49 PM
This the Scottish league we're talking about here, there is no way anyone would offer more than 15 million for Dembele, Celtic would accept that
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 07, 2017, 03:49:06 PM
This the Scottish league we're talking about here, there is no way anyone would offer more than 15 million for Dembele, Celtic would accept that

Which would be a fair price and worth the risk and considering we've got a net spend of c£60m so far and we're expecting £75m for Rom, would have us breaking even so far this summer with some pretty decent business completed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 07, 2017, 05:59:56 PM
Why would we need Dembele when we signed Henry?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 07, 2017, 06:04:04 PM
Why would we need Dembele when we signed Henry?

Because we need a replacement for Lukaku straight away, Henry is unavailable for at least a year
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 07, 2017, 06:06:10 PM
Because we need a replacement for Lukaku straight away, Henry is unavailable for at least a year

Henry and Dembele seem very similar types of striker to me. What happens next year when we have both? Surely it would be better to look at an alternative type of striker than can offer different options?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 07, 2017, 06:08:17 PM
Henry and Dembele seem very similar types of striker to me. What happens next year when we have both? Surely it would be better to look at an alternative type of striker than can offer different options?

Pretty sure that's what we're doing, I haven't said we should go for Dembele, I just mentioned that he is not worth 30 million and if we were interested then we could probably get him for half of that
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 07, 2017, 06:08:23 PM
Dembele is going to be a boss player. I'd throw 20mil at him.

Be worth treble that with a few seasons here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 07, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
Brahimi for that creative winger type we need?!

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/07/06/report-everton-tottenham-hotspur-and-west-ham-united-all-want-ya/

yes it's hitc so probably shite, but original rumour from Portuguese paper
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 07, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
We couldn't have gotten better exposure had we just sponsored the Premier League itself. This summer English football has been brought to you by Everton Football Club. Thank you. We're back.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 07, 2017, 08:34:00 PM
We couldn't have gotten better exposure had we just sponsored the Premier League itself. This summer English football has been brought to you by Everton Football Club. Thank you. We're back.
Not really sure the media exposure from selling our best player is the kind of exposure we should be seeking!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 07, 2017, 09:21:20 PM
Not really sure the media exposure from selling our best player is the kind of exposure we should be seeking!

It's not all about Lukaku. We've been pretty active as well you know.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 07, 2017, 09:39:56 PM
The likes of Sky will still try and undermine what we are doing and put a negative spin on it as it detracts from their glorious 4/6
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2017, 04:17:21 AM
Hey look, Si gets quoted by the bloody Yanks (who declare us the winner of the transfer window by far, despite not getting the Rooney bit):

http://www.espnfc.us/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3154569/everton-new-era-features-big-spending-as-the-premier-league-top-six-are-targeted
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 08, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
I would be satisfied if we sold on Funes Mori, Barkley (grudgingly) Mirallas, McCarthy, Robles, McGeady, Niasse, and Lukaku for around £160m-£170m, and brought in Lemos, Rooney, Dendoncker, D.Gray, Dembele, Dolberg, Giroud, and Chilwell with the proceeds 😊
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 08, 2017, 06:13:35 PM
I would be satisfied if we sold on Funes Mori, Barkley (grudgingly) Mirallas, McCarthy, Robles, McGeady, Niasse, and Lukaku for around £160m-£170m, and brought in Lemos, Rooney, Dendoncker, D.Gray, Dembele, Dolberg, Giroud, and Chilwell with the proceeds 😊

Only satisfied?!

We're going to need someone sat in reception at USM Finch Farm handing out name badges at this rate!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 08, 2017, 06:28:05 PM
Only satisfied?!

We're going to need someone sat in reception at USM Finch Farm handing out name badges at this rate!

Haha, I'd do it!

"Sorry, is it Damarai, or Demerai, mate?"
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 08, 2017, 06:34:26 PM
"I don't think he ever enjoyed football as much as he did at Everton"

I not sure he preferred struggling to survive and playing in a team of wank over playing alondside like likes of Ronaldo and winning League titles along with domestic and European trophies, going on to become the highest goalscorer of all time at a club that is a world giant in football.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 08, 2017, 06:41:02 PM
Hey look, Si gets quoted by the bloody Yanks (who declare us the winner of the transfer window by far, despite not getting the Rooney bit):

http://www.espnfc.us/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3154569/everton-new-era-features-big-spending-as-the-premier-league-top-six-are-targeted

nice link, but did Zinedine Kilbane really only play 3 seasons for us? seemed like much longer to me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 08, 2017, 06:41:57 PM
It's not all about Lukaku. We've been pretty active as well you know.

Next step is crucial. I don't doubt we'll be buying more but there is a danger we'll be viewed in the same sell to buy light if we offset most/all our costs by selling Lukaku and Barkley.

We really need a big marquee signing IMO to start changing perceptions and show we weren't just pre-spending the Lukaku money.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 08, 2017, 06:47:03 PM
Now that we have a new record fee for our player...Can Walsh do what Levy did with the Bale money and use it to push us over the final hump into the highest echelon of English football?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 08, 2017, 06:51:22 PM
I don't think we do need a marquee signing, hate that word by the way. The same way I hate 'project' in the footballing sense.




Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 08, 2017, 06:52:06 PM
Now that we have a new record fee for our player...Can Walsh do what Levy did with the Bale money and use it to push us over the final hump into the highest echelon of English football?

Erm, they only have 2 of the 7 players left they signed from the Bale money. Most were flops. Lamela and Eriksen are the two who stuck around, and Lamela seems like he'd be gone this summer if not for his injury.

At least Eriksen was a player.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 08, 2017, 06:57:01 PM
We're one step ahead.  Klassen is our Eriksson.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D_murph0278 on July 08, 2017, 06:57:15 PM
I'm well excited to see who we target as our main striker now. If the business Walsh and Koeman have come up with so far is anything to go by, i think we'll be in for a nice surprise. Anyone from Giroud, Dolberg, Carlos Bacca, Dembele, Willian Jose etc, plus a left back, possibly another centre back, Demarai Gray and Gylfi Sigurdsson and we won't even notice the big self obsessed lump has gone.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 08, 2017, 07:03:06 PM
Erm, they only have 2 of the 7 players left they signed from the Bale money. Most were flops. Lamela and Eriksen are the two who stuck around, and Lamela seems like he'd be gone this summer if not for his injury.

At least Eriksen was a player.

That was also 4 years ago. In this day and age I can see keeping 2 of 7 not bad for a CL team. Esp when finishing higher allows you more money to spend and reinvest which they have. They didn't spend it all in that one window but they def used it to build the foundation to move forward which is what hopefully we will continue to do.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 08, 2017, 07:08:37 PM
That was also 4 years ago. In this day and age I can see keeping 2 of 7 not bad for a CL team. Esp when finishing higher allows you more money to spend and reinvest which they have. They didn't spend it all in that one window but they def used it to build the foundation to move forward which is what hopefully we will continue to do.

Have to agree to disagree, the Bale money didn't transition them into what they are now, that was almost all Pochettino and his team. Spurs had been spending good money (after selling the likes of Modric beforehand) for years before without getting anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 08, 2017, 07:17:21 PM
I would be satisfied if we sold on Funes Mori, Barkley (grudgingly) Mirallas, McCarthy, Robles, McGeady, Niasse, and Lukaku for around £160m-£170m, and brought in Lemos, Rooney, Dendoncker, D.Gray, Dembele, Dolberg, Giroud, and Chilwell with the proceeds 😊

I can't see Everton bringing in another 5-6 players. Impossible to bed in 10 players in one season and remain consistant in the league. I think we've done our business from a goalkeeping, defensive and central midfield side. Perhaps cover at RB (Martina).
Two forwards and an attacking midfielder now needed.

We do need another CB but Koeman will probably look at that next summer. Holgate has another years experience under him and Williams will also have had a rest this summer. He's unlikely to ditch him after one season.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 08, 2017, 07:22:16 PM
I can't see Everton bringing in another 5-6 players. Impossible to bed in 10 players in one season and remain consistant in the league. I think we've done our business from a goalkeeping, defensive and central midfield side. Perhaps cover at RB (Martina).
Two forwards and an attacking midfielder now needed.

We do need another CB but Koeman will probably look at that next summer. Holgate has another years experience under him and Williams will also have had a rest this summer. He's unlikely to ditch him after one season.

This is seriously one of the things that scares me, as everyone on here I think we are loving the amount of players coming in and we do not want it to stop (we are not used to it), but the downside can be having a team full of new players who have not played together and are still getting used to each other during the season!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on July 08, 2017, 07:22:58 PM
That was also 4 years ago. In this day and age I can see keeping 2 of 7 not bad for a CL team. Esp when finishing higher allows you more money to spend and reinvest which they have. They didn't spend it all in that one window but they def used it to build the foundation to move forward which is what hopefully we will continue to do.

They spent it all and then some, in total they spent £110m that window. If I remember correctly they actually bought a few of the players before they had even sold Bale. You look back now and Erikson seemed a good bit of business at about £11m but nearly £60m for Lamela and Soldado wasn't good, and the rest were mediocre at best.

Everyone thinks that Levy's a decent negotiator but he threw money around like some nouveau riche lottery winner that summer, whereas we appear to have spent and recruited pretty well so far.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on July 08, 2017, 07:24:44 PM
This is seriously one of the things that scares me, as everyone on here I think we are loving the amount of players coming in and we do not want it to stop (we are not used to it), but the downside can be having a team full of new players who have not played together and are still getting used to each other during the season!

Yeah, I think we'll get another striker in, clear out some of the dead wood and that'll be about it. Wholesale changes to the squad rarely work.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 08, 2017, 07:28:23 PM
This is seriously one of the things that scares me, as everyone on here I think we are loving the amount of players coming in and we do not want it to stop (we are not used to it), but the downside can be having a team full of new players who have not played together and are still getting used to each other during the season!

Didn't work well when Spurs sold Bale and Liverpool sold Suarez.

Certainly need two more forwards in any case.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 08, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
Didn't work well when Spurs sold Bale and Liverpool sold Suarez.

Certainly need two more forwards in any case.

Just hope if we do a more business it will be in the coming weeks and not deadline day!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: hill135 on July 08, 2017, 07:50:41 PM
I think the notion of 'doing a Spurs' is a bit of a myth.

It was a mixed bag of players, true. But apart from one or two most have either seen their performances improve under Poch or moved on to perform fairly well elsewhere.

The real reason they went to shit after selling Bale was because AVB is an absolute shyster of a football manager.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 08, 2017, 08:15:40 PM
Yeah, I think we'll get another striker in, clear out some of the dead wood and that'll be about it. Wholesale changes to the squad rarely work.

I just wonder which teams are going to want some of our deadwood? And if they will even pay.....Teams are going to be very desparate to want to buy the likes of Niasse.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 08, 2017, 08:20:56 PM
There's not that much 'deadwood' to shift on now anyway. 3-4 maybe but that's not a huge amount.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 08, 2017, 08:28:14 PM
Wish people woud stop referring to players as 'dead wood'.  OK they may not be our best players but they were brought to club and have mainly done their best but still.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 08, 2017, 08:29:42 PM
Wish people woud stop referring to players as 'dead wood'.  OK they may not be our best players but they were brought to club and have mainly done their best but still.
Why, do you find it offensive?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 08, 2017, 08:41:16 PM
Why, do you find it offensive?

I assume I'm being asked to walk into the 'being offended on someone else's behalf' trap here. To answer you though - no, but I think it shows no respect for players who are ultimately just blokes doing a job. C'mon - "dead wood"?  And as it happens, they are players for our team so why would fans be unnecessarily derogatory towards them?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on July 08, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
Wish people woud stop referring to players as 'dead wood'.  OK they may not be our best players but they were brought to club and have mainly done their best but still.

Calm down, it's just a phrase for something/someone that is no longer required.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on July 08, 2017, 08:48:41 PM
Calm down, it's just a phrase for something/someone that is no longer required.
...........yes that's all it is. Some of our fringe players have reached the dead wood stage.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 08, 2017, 08:50:30 PM
Just remembered I called Robles 'shit' the other day. Sorry Joel. You are better than a rotting piece of wood though.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 08, 2017, 09:03:27 PM
Calm down, it's just a phrase for something/someone that is no longer required.

spin it round, its how Lukaku see's Everton.  but he gets slated for it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 08, 2017, 09:33:46 PM
Now that we have a new record fee for our player...Can Walsh do what Levy did with the Bale money and use it to push us over the final hump into the highest echelon of English football?

Didn't Spurs blow most of it on overrated shit
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 08, 2017, 09:39:26 PM
Worked out why I'm a little underwhelmed by this summer's transfers.

I'm exaggerating - and I'm also not criticising it - but we've essentially gone big on signing a few Aaron Lennons when what I really want are some Deulofeus.

And our approach makes sense. We've signed a lot of players who wouldn't look out of place in the squad of a top 6 team, but I also don't see them ever becoming one of their best players either.

More mad, risky £5m jobs with plenty of risk but plenty of potential upside now please, Walshy.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 08, 2017, 09:41:43 PM
Worked out why I'm a little underwhelmed by this summer's transfers.

I'm exaggerating - and I'm also not criticising it - but we've essentially gone big on signing a few Aaron Lennons when what I really want are some Deulofeus.

And our approach makes sense. We've signed a lot of players who wouldn't look out of place in the squad of a top 6 team, but I also don't see them ever becoming one of their best players either.

More mad, risky £5m jobs with plenty of risk but plenty of potential upside now please, Walshy.

You need to build a solid foundation before you add the topping.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2017, 09:41:53 PM
Worked out why I'm a little underwhelmed by this summer's transfers.

I'm exaggerating - and I'm also not criticising it - but we've essentially gone big on signing a few Aaron Lennons when what I really want are some Deulofeus.

And our approach makes sense. We've signed a lot of players who wouldn't look out of place in the squad of a top 6 team, but I also don't see them ever becoming one of their best players either.

More mad, risky £5m jobs with plenty of risk but plenty of potential upside now please, Walshy.

Some Demarai Grays, you mean?  22m may be the new 5m...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 08, 2017, 09:43:55 PM
Let's get this out the way again.
Spurs wasted it all did they?

With Bale in that last season the finished 5th.
Year with all them shit players playing together for the first time? 6th (we beat them to 5th).
Then they regained 5th spot (consolidated it, you could say).
Then 3rd.
Then second.


I'd happily take all them "shit" players if it involved 1 season of getting to grips with the new faces and then continually improving to league challengers within 2 or 3 seasons.

Fucking sheep the lot of you
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 08, 2017, 09:44:32 PM
You need to build a solid foundation before you add the topping.
I agree and I'm happy we've brought in Lookman, Sandro and Onyekeru this year.

It's just nice for me to pinpoint my ennui about it all. :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2017, 09:55:50 PM
I agree and I'm happy we've brought in Lookman, Sandro and Onyekeru this year.

It's just nice for me to pinpoint my ennui about it all. :)

You hit the nail on the head with those three.  I'm almost certain one of them will blow up into something special, if two of them do then we will really have something cooking to go along with the (in my view) Top 4-quality spine Koeman and Walsh are clearly cementing into place already.

The key to it all, of course, is timing.  We need our spine to be healthy, at peak or near-peak performance, and under contract (not unsettled) when said breakthorugh(s) happen(s).

We will have the funds to shore things up, for certain.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trowel on July 08, 2017, 09:58:05 PM
Perez has been left out of Arsenal's tour squad, wonder if we'll give him a chance.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 08, 2017, 10:06:01 PM
Let's get this out the way again.
Spurs wasted it all did they?

With Bale in that last season the finished 5th.
Year with all them shit players playing together for the first time? 6th (we beat them to 5th).
Then they regained 5th spot (consolidated it, you could say).
Then 3rd.
Then second.


I'd happily take all them "shit" players if it involved 1 season of getting to grips with the new faces and then continually improving to league challengers within 2 or 3 seasons.

Fucking sheep the lot of you

With Bale I believe they had finished 4th twice so it was a step back as usually that means CL football.

However, it's not a question of wasting it as they got some value back, but given that only 1 "made it" out of the 7 they brought in that summer says they did waste that opportunity to try to use the extra transfer money to improve their league standing. Those transfers were ultimately not what they needed, they were decent but not players who'd help them kick on. It wasn't until they sold them and Pochettino found the right complement of players to form a team (plus the somewhat fortunate timing for Harry Kane to come into the team and replace a lot of the goals) that Spurs progressed.

While I'm not fan of AVB, I believe a lot of the transfers were not what he wanted. They had a pretty terrible sporting director at the time.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 08, 2017, 10:07:24 PM
Perez has been left out of Arsenal's tour squad, wonder if we'll give him a chance.

I think he never settled (maybe never playing doesn't help) and wants to return to Spain.

I'd imagine that ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 08, 2017, 10:07:54 PM
Perez has been left out of Arsenal's tour squad, wonder if we'll give him a chance.

I don't want Arsenal's sloppy seconds.  ;)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on July 08, 2017, 10:07:57 PM
Perez has been left out of Arsenal's tour squad, wonder if we'll give him a chance.

I think Sandro covers a Perez type signing , back to Spain for him I reckon
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 08, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
Worked out why I'm a little underwhelmed by this summer's transfers.

I'm exaggerating - and I'm also not criticising it - but we've essentially gone big on signing a few Aaron Lennons when what I really want are some Deulofeus.

And our approach makes sense. We've signed a lot of players who wouldn't look out of place in the squad of a top 6 team, but I also don't see them ever becoming one of their best players either.

More mad, risky £5m jobs with plenty of risk but plenty of potential upside now please, Walshy.

Fucking deulofeus Jesus a few of them and we'd be relegated
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 08, 2017, 10:17:19 PM
You hit the nail on the head with those three.  I'm almost certain one of them will blow up into something special, if two of them do then we will really have something cooking to go along with the (in my view) Top 4-quality spine Koeman and Walsh are clearly cementing into place already.

The key to it all, of course, is timing.  We need our spine to be healthy, at peak or near-peak performance, and under contract (not unsettled) when said breakthorugh(s) happen(s).
I might disagree with your assessment of our squad - top 4 squad quality maybe, but not top 4 first 11 quality - but I definitely agree with the sentiment.

Echoing something @Major Clanger (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=181) said recently, it would be wonderful if we could have a two or three special players simultaneously growth with us while we progress. You couldn't imagine Spurs being picked off like we've been with Lukaku right now, could you?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 08, 2017, 10:17:53 PM
Fucking deulofeus Jesus a few of them and we'd be relegated
Do you have to be so literal?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 08, 2017, 10:28:39 PM
I might disagree with your assessment of our squad - top 4 squad quality maybe, but not top 4 first 11 quality - but I definitely agree with the sentiment.

Echoing something @Major Clanger (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=181) said recently, it would be wonderful if we could have a two or three special players simultaneously growth with us while we progress. You couldn't imagine Spurs being picked off like we've been with Lukaku right now, could you?

Koeman and Moshiri were a year too late for Rom.  It was timing, not quality of the project/club.  We have a fair chance to be there if/when our young attacking talent break through.

I would take our CM group against anyone's, certainly Top 4.  The backline (including Pickford) is more of an open question, until we see how Seamus comes back.  Adding a Chilwell to serve as Baines' deputy would be massive.  But I think averaged with the CM, you still have a Top 4-quality spine, or very close to it.

Up top is where the questions lie, and where we need youth to ultimately carry us.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Everton Mint on July 09, 2017, 12:40:49 AM
Everton have picked up FIVE 'starting 11' players: Pickford, Keane, Klaassen, Rooney & Sandro, for less than the fee from Lukaku. Business.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Tinga on July 09, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
So this may be greedy and short sighted but I feel like we haven't gotten that player yet, the one that makes you think "holy shit, that's incredible". I wonder if we can or will be attract a name that really sets Everton on the map for next season.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2017, 05:33:14 PM
So this may be greedy and short sighted but I feel like we haven't gotten that player yet, the one that makes you think "holy shit, that's incredible". I wonder if we can or will be attract a name that really sets Everton on the map for next season.

I think what we're doing is better than 'that player' recruitment. I think he'll come next summer, this summer looks to be the final phase of Martinez cleansing and building a solid foundation for the next level.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Buck76 on July 09, 2017, 05:45:09 PM
So this may be greedy and short sighted but I feel like we haven't gotten that player yet, the one that makes you think "holy shit, that's incredible". I wonder if we can or will be attract a name that really sets Everton on the map for next season.

VVD would be that player on so many levels....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 09, 2017, 05:46:57 PM
So this may be greedy and short sighted but I feel like we haven't gotten that player yet, the one that makes you think "holy shit, that's incredible". I wonder if we can or will be attract a name that really sets Everton on the map for next season.

Not sure we need or will get that. We never have been that type of club to be honest. The players we have bought are all team players. Sandro might be the only one who might do what Lukaku has done and anchor for a move away to the next level after a while, but the rest all seem of sound character.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2017, 06:05:35 PM
So this may be greedy and short sighted but I feel like we haven't gotten that player yet, the one that makes you think "holy shit, that's incredible". I wonder if we can or will be attract a name that really sets Everton on the map for next season.

I agree though to be honest, and there were rumblings that Moshiri wanted a 'statement signing'.

Still a few twists left in the window imo.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 09, 2017, 06:41:31 PM
I agree though to be honest, and there were rumblings that Moshiri wanted a 'statement signing'.

Still a few twists left in the window imo.

One week in and eight to go - deffo more twists and turns.

But - building a 'team' is also a good idea. Leicester played as a team. We played as Lukaku plus back-up. If we play as a team and gel well (even with all the new faces) we can be a powerful unit and not reliant on one player.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trublue on July 09, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
So this may be greedy and short sighted but I feel like we haven't gotten that player yet, the one that makes you think "holy shit, that's incredible". I wonder if we can or will be attract a name that really sets Everton on the map for next season.

I think that's going to be in the future. We've always got that problem of no Champions League football. We're at that stage of buying and hoping they take us to the next level. However, we have to be happy with the way the club have gone about things so far.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2017, 07:00:49 PM
We bought 'that player' 3 years ago when we had just finished 5th. He left us when we were 7th. The issue is we bought the player before buying the team. Now we're going about it the right way and building a proper squad before sprinkling it with a bit of extra quality.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Omar on July 09, 2017, 08:14:37 PM
Is it completely mental to try and get Alexis? We've got the loot to do it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 09, 2017, 08:16:45 PM
Is it completely mental to try and get Alexis? We've got the loot to do it.

Yes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 09, 2017, 08:18:14 PM
Is it completely mental to try and get Alexis? We've got the loot to do it.

More deluded than mental
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2017, 08:19:02 PM
Is it completely mental to try and get Alexis? We've got the loot to do it.

Here, have a tool.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 09, 2017, 08:20:25 PM
Is it completely mental to try and get Alexis?

No.

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Omar on July 09, 2017, 08:26:56 PM
Ok, I might as well double down on this nonsense then.

If you were Arsenal, who would your rather Sanchez went to, City or EFC?

If you were Sanchez, leaving out CL for this upcoming season, which team appears to have more upside?


Sits back and waits for abuse.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
Ok, I might as well double down on this nonsense then.

If you were Arsenal, who would your rather Sanchez went to, City or EFC?

If you were Sanchez, leaving out CL for this upcoming season, which team appears to have more upside?


Sits back and waits for abuse.

Just pop the question into the general football thread mate. This is for all things blue.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2017, 08:28:57 PM
Ok, I might as well double down on this nonsense then.

If you were Arsenal, who would your rather Sanchez went to, City or EFC?

If you were Sanchez, leaving out CL for this upcoming season, which team appears to have more upside?


Sits back and waits for abuse.

You think we are better than city?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Omar on July 09, 2017, 08:29:39 PM
Just pop the question into the general football thread mate. This is for all things blue.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Omar on July 09, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
You think we are better than city?

Not at present, but I do feel that EFC is building properly. Hypothetically if Sanchez were to come in after Gylfi that's a very, very strong squad
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 09, 2017, 08:37:12 PM
I'm sure Arsenal would welcome him going here versus Man City or Chelsea, but the player would never ever agree to it. Why would he? And he holds all the cards with a year left.

If we're talking extremely ambitious targets, I'd go with the likes of Belotti as he has a release clause (albeit very high) and is young enough that he may feel he can put off the move to a CL club. Huge stretch though, but it'd certainly be a statement of intent after Lukaku leaving.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 09, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
You need champions league to get this calibre of player unless you go down the mercenary route. Which I really don't want us to.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2017, 08:40:21 PM
Please stop
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2017, 08:40:37 PM
I'm sure Arsenal would welcome him going here versus Man City or Chelsea, but the player would never ever agree to it. Why would he? And he holds all the cards with a year left.

If we're talking extremely ambitious targets, I'd go with the likes of Belotti as he has a release clause and is young enough that he may feel he can put off the move to a CL club. Huge stretch though, but he has a release clause and it'd certainly be a statement of intent after Lukaku leaving.

That's the thing isn't it Sanchez wants a big upgrade from Arsenal and that's clearly not us. He doesn't want to sign a long term contract with them so he's going to be, at best, equally unwilling to commit to 4 or 5 years here
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 09, 2017, 08:42:27 PM
You need champions league to get this calibre of player unless you go down the mercenary route. Which I really don't want us to.

Maybe not, you might get ambitious players playing in slightly poorer (money and exposure wise) leagues like Serie A who want to prove themselves on a bigger stage.

I agree I don't want us to go for journeymen, but that's a bit different.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 09, 2017, 08:43:24 PM
Who's next then?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 09, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
Who's next then?

Aguerro
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
Not at present, but I do feel that EFC is building properly. Hypothetically if Sanchez were to come in after Gylfi that's a very, very strong squad

I don't think we will sign Sanchez, but I would not be shocked if we were competitive with City in the table this season and/or next.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2017, 08:53:31 PM
I don't think we will sign Sanchez, but I would not be shocked if we were competitive with City in the table this season and/or next.

I'd be shocked city are way ahead of us and have more money. We are some way off challenging for the title
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: velimski on July 09, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
Wenger is only interested in getting in the top 4.

Doubt he gives a shit about strengthening a team that is already better than them.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Omar on July 09, 2017, 09:00:18 PM
Wenger is only interested in getting in the top 4.

Doubt he gives a shit about strengthening a team that is already better than them.

That's a good point, improving Everton would make a top 4 place harder for Arsenal while City is pretty much guaranteed a top 4 spot already. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
It would be the biggest transfer shock of all time, sheer lunacy to entertain it for longer than a second.

I see we never ended up with any Italian players. What's that about?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: cantoffee on July 09, 2017, 09:15:11 PM
We need some pace. Outside of Bolasie we have no genuine pace in the squad.

Hope we bring in a real quality pacey winger or wide forward.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
I'd be shocked city are way ahead of us and have more money. We are some way off challenging for the title

But they still have issues and could be caught/have a rough season that doesn't fully meet expectations.  The only complete team that seems out of reach to me is Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 09:25:06 PM
or to put it this way...Spurs are the team I feel most "consistent" about.  The only one I would be shocked to see not make Top 4.

Pretty much anyone (of the Sky Five) could finish 1-7, except I don't see the Redshite winning the League at all.  Our range is probably somewhere from 3-10.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2017, 09:41:29 PM
or to put it this way...Spurs are the team I feel most "consistent" about.  The only one I would be shocked to see not make Top 4.

Pretty much anyone (of the Sky Five) could finish 1-7, except I don't see the Redshite winning the League at all.  Our range is probably somewhere from 3-10.

I think there's questions about any of them making the champions league but more because there's 6 of them all of a similar level with lots of money. Unfortunately we are still firmly in 7th.
Think Liverpool Arsenal and Utd are the easiest targets but we'd have to have 1 hell of a season to overhaul them
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 09:46:19 PM
I think there's questions about any of them making the champions league but more because there's 6 of them all of a similar level with lots of money. Unfortunately we are still firmly in 7th.
Think Liverpool Arsenal and Utd are the easiest targets but we'd have to have 1 hell of a season to overhaul them

I agree with the first part, but I think the gap is less severe than last season's table would indicate.  That was before we strengthened (and Koeman's transition year, with lots of injuries to boot), and was a "max stability" season at the top.  That usually doesn't happen.

Now, that doesn't guarantee anything for us.  That's why I put a fairly broad range with 6-7 as the midpoint.  We could go up OR DOWN.  Managing Europa is not automatic, either.  And if Pickford or Schneiderlin get hurt, we are all of a sudden pretty fucked.

But I don't believe that the Top 6 have cemented themselves in place as a closed shop.  They are favoured, for sure, but that's just percentages not a fait accompli.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Big Al on July 09, 2017, 09:56:57 PM
We need some pace. Outside of Bolasie we have no genuine pace in the squad.

Hope we bring in a real quality pacey winger or wide forward.

isnt sandro considered pacey ?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 09, 2017, 09:57:47 PM
People want pace, sign Bolt.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2017, 10:11:40 PM
People want pace, sign Bolt.

And a footballer too please. Can never have too much on field intelligence but Stephen hawking would be a poor signing
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
Demarai Gray is still a possibility.  And don't let our beloved Mola Lookman become a forgotten man.  He's pacey as fuck.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 10:14:07 PM
isnt sandro considered pacey ?

from what I've seen (in a side with Deulofeu) he had plenty of pace
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: cantoffee on July 09, 2017, 10:15:37 PM
Demarai Gray is still a possibility.  And don't let our beloved Mola Lookman become a forgotten man.  He's pacey as fuck.
He's not got the same type of pace though. He's more quick than pacey.

Also, quite clearly not ready to play week in week out.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluebridge on July 09, 2017, 10:18:14 PM
We need some pace. Outside of Bolasie we have no genuine pace in the squad.

Hope we bring in a real quality pacey winger or wide forward.
Look man, we have Ademola   ;)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 10:20:18 PM
He's not got the same type of pace though. He's more quick than pacey.

Also, quite clearly not ready to play week in week out.

Fair points.  But looking at the squad, we clearly don't want or need anyone to be a week in, week out workhorse.  We want and need change-up options.  Everyone is going to play, and few are going to be on the pitch constantly, save Pickford, Keane, Baines, Schneiderlin, and maybe Gana and/or Klaassen.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 09, 2017, 10:21:22 PM
But they still have issues and could be caught/have a rough season that doesn't fully meet expectations.  The only complete team that seems out of reach to me is Spurs.

I would say the opposite. Spurs are the ones who are one or two major injuries away from slipping down to 6th, as they haven't the chairman who will go out and spend £100m at the minute, with the new stadium.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trowel on July 09, 2017, 10:22:21 PM
And a footballer too please. Can never have too much on field intelligence but Stephen hawking would be a poor signing
You've obviously never seen him dribble.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 10:23:57 PM
I would say the opposite. Spurs are the ones who are one or two major injuries away from slipping down to 6th, as they haven't the chairman who will go out and spend £100m at the minute, with the new stadium.

But when I think about them, they are also the side that plays together the best (without drama), and I can't make a logical argument against them (barring catastrophic injury, like you said - but that'll do anyone in, in my view - massive spend or not).

I can argue against everyone else as to why it can all go tits up.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
You've obviously never seen him dribble.

It's evidence of how awful a person I am just how loudly and for long I laughed at that.  Huzzah!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 09, 2017, 10:26:25 PM
You've obviously never seen him dribble.

Yeah - and no-one can find space like Hawking does either...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 09, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
Regardless of what people make of who we have bought in you cant say this transfer window has been in any way dull.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Omar on July 09, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
You've obviously never seen him dribble.

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 09, 2017, 10:31:08 PM
Regardless of what people make of who we have bought in you cant say this transfer window has been in any way dull.

Definitely not. Just hoping we splash the cash for one major signing of intent. I hope Rooney isn't considered our statement signing and is more to help lure other big players to come.

Need one signing that makes everyone across Europe to think "Everton are for real"
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 09, 2017, 10:45:55 PM
Definitely not. Just hoping we splash the cash for one major signing of intent. I hope Rooney isn't considered our statement signing and is more to help lure other big players to come.

Need one signing that makes everyone across Europe to think "Everton are for real"

It's funny, if you look at the US coverage, the Rooney signing is looked at as "meh/sentimental" and the other signings as "Everton winning the summer/taking a shot across the bow at the Top 6."

Death by a thousand cuts, the signings we've made so far.  Giroud and a young striker to play behind him/a pacier option, plus a promising apprentice for Bainesy, and this squad looks perfect to me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: pjk on July 09, 2017, 11:04:02 PM
You've obviously never seen him dribble.



I feel guilty that I liked this now.  :blush:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 10, 2017, 12:47:42 AM
It's funny, if you look at the US coverage, the Rooney signing is looked at as "meh/sentimental" and the other signings as "Everton winning the summer/taking a shot across the bow at the Top 6."

Death by a thousand cuts, the signings we've made so far.  Giroud and a young striker to play behind him/a pacier option, plus a promising apprentice for Bainesy, and this squad looks perfect to me.

Seeing this makes me think....There used to be a "Big 4" and then a "Sky 5" and now a "Top 6"....

How much longer until there is a "Super 7" including us leaving a bottom 13 of mediocrity. This year it started to show we were in our own middle tier below the top and above the rest.

Two more years until that comes true?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 10, 2017, 12:50:02 AM
Seeing this makes me think....There used to be a "Big 4" and then a "Sky 5" and now a "Top 6"....

How much longer until there is a "Super 7" including us leaving a bottom 13 of mediocrity. This year it started to show we were in our own middle tier below the top and above the rest.

Two more years until that comes true?

Well I think in Spain there was only ever a Top Two for years, although Atletico are now also thought of as the next bracket below.

And anyone who doesn't think that this is an indicator of how the PL is better than La Liga can stick it up their jumper!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2017, 01:01:06 AM
Well I think in Spain there was only ever a Top Two for years, although Atletico are now also thought of as the next bracket below.

And anyone who doesn't think that this is an indicator of how the PL is better than La Liga can stick it up their jumper!

Well I think in Spain there was only ever a Top Two for years, although Atletico are now also thought of as the next bracket below.

And anyone who doesn't think that this is an indicator of how the PL is better than La Liga can stick it up their jumper!

The problem with that argument is if you switched them 2 (or even 3) for the bottom 3 sides in England. They'd only be a 2 or 3 here. It's competitive because there are currently no great teams
Also over the history of the premier league the number of different sides that have won both leagues and the number of different sides that have qualified for the champions league are very similar
More competitive yes but does that equate to better when there's not a single great team

Also.... Chelsea walked it last season. Leicester walked it the season before. Been tight races in recent times in Spain. All be it between the same fantastic sides
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 10, 2017, 01:01:46 AM
Seeing this makes me think....There used to be a "Big 4" and then a "Sky 5" and now a "Top 6"....

How much longer until there is a "Super 7" including us leaving a bottom 13 of mediocrity. This year it started to show we were in our own middle tier below the top and above the rest.

Two more years until that comes true?

Spot on.  Give us two years, we will have established that we belong in the conversation.

The crucial bit will be maintaining that status when Koeman moves on.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 10, 2017, 01:24:49 AM
Another one tonight? Myers is at Finch Farm and just tweeted 'who is next?'
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 10, 2017, 01:27:53 AM
The problem with that argument is if you switched them 2 (or even 3) for the bottom 3 sides in England. They'd only be a 2 or 3 here. It's competitive because there are currently no great teams
Also over the history of the premier league the number of different sides that have won both leagues and the number of different sides that have qualified for the champions league are very similar
More competitive yes but does that equate to better when there's not a single great team

Also.... Chelsea walked it last season. Leicester walked it the season before. Been tight races in recent times in Spain. All be it between the same fantastic sides

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: burkey17 on July 10, 2017, 01:40:16 AM
The way it's going we are going to be like the British, 'European' Irish Lions! How many of the first XI that started against Tottenham last August will start against Stoke. The Lions had 6 weeks to get their shit together- we'll have 3!!! Bring it on!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 10, 2017, 01:45:51 AM
Another one tonight? Myers is at Finch Farm and just tweeted 'who is next?'

https://twitter.com/alanmyersmedia/status/884114763017486337

https://twitter.com/alanmyersmedia/status/884116099175985152

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 10, 2017, 01:46:29 AM
Another one tonight? Myers is at Finch Farm and just tweeted 'who is next?'

Possibly Sig if I had to hazard a guess.

He tweeted saying "#free kicks" earlier.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2017, 01:52:50 AM
Seeing this makes me think....There used to be a "Big 4" and then a "Sky 5" and now a "Top 6"....

How much longer until there is a "Super 7" including us leaving a bottom 13 of mediocrity. This year it started to show we were in our own middle tier below the top and above the rest.

Two more years until that comes true?

All we have to do is userp a team above us and it becomes the top 7 overnight.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 10, 2017, 02:27:28 AM
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When did William Hague become a referee?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2017, 05:40:24 AM
Our mate Jim White says plan is 3 more players.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 10, 2017, 05:42:47 AM
Our mate Jim White says plan is 3 more players.

Sigurdsson, Martina and Giroud/Dembele
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: arteta4spain on July 10, 2017, 05:44:01 AM
Our mate Jim White says plan is 3 more players.
So Sigurdsson, Giroud and who'd be the third? I'd like a left back personally. Another cb if FM goes. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 10, 2017, 05:44:41 AM
Sigurdsson, Martina and Giroud/Dembele

Don't think it includes Martina - he wouldn't cost anything.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 10, 2017, 05:47:30 AM
Sigurdsson, Martina and Giroud/Dembele

That's probably the best guess from what we know. The first two are probably nailed on. The question mark is over the striker, although I don't know why Dembele keeps coming back up as name though...have there been recent rumours? Plus I think we're definitely after a Giroud "type" of player.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 10, 2017, 05:47:55 AM
Don't think it includes Martina - he wouldn't cost anything.

Jim White just says we're looking to bring three more players in so I'm not sure that matters?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2017, 05:51:26 AM
Surely Martina would be in by now?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 10, 2017, 05:55:37 AM
Surely Martina would be in by now?

Bit of a strange one, maybe we're after better but with Coleman coming back with a 5 year deal it seems like we'd not be spending big there. Possibly Koeman is thinking of giving Kenny a run? Likely too much of a gamble though.

Can't really take the VVD rumours seriously, but thought we might just be considering another CB.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 10, 2017, 05:59:18 AM
Jim White just says we're looking to bring three more players in so I'm not sure that matters?

I thought he said spending in there. Also I think if Martina was coming he'd be here by now
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2017, 06:04:03 AM
Bit of a strange one, maybe we're after better but with Coleman coming back with a 5 year deal it seems like we'd not be spending big there. Possibly Koeman is thinking of giving Kenny a run? Likely too much of a gamble though.

Can't really take the VVD rumours seriously, but thought we might just be considering another CB.

I'd rather we kept with Holgate there than bring him in. And try Kenny out more too.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 10, 2017, 06:08:03 AM
I'd rather we kept with Holgate there than bring him in. And try Kenny out more too.

Not sure about Holgate at LB, ok at a pinch but for huge part of the season?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 10, 2017, 06:09:25 AM
Think Martina is currently on international duty which may explain the delay.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2017, 06:10:56 AM
All we have to do is userp a team above us and it becomes the top 7 overnight.

Yeah, or they'll just start showing last years table 😂
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2017, 06:15:59 AM
Not sure about Holgate at LB, ok at a pinch but for huge part of the season?

Martina is a right back, and I'm not particularly fussed about him coming in, hence continuing with Holgate at RB with Kenny deputising for the 3 months of the season til Coleman's back.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 10, 2017, 07:18:59 AM
Martina is a right back, and I'm not particularly fussed about him coming in, hence continuing with Holgate at RB with Kenny deputising for the 3 months of the season til Coleman's back.

Sorry, meant RB. That's a lot of big games in those first few months for one of those two to stand in.

Holgate's delivery is not that consistent, whereas I liked Kenny's attacking threat but who knows on him defensively.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: cantoffee on July 10, 2017, 07:26:46 AM
Would think it would be Sig, Giroud, and a winger with pace.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kevmike2 on July 10, 2017, 08:21:59 AM
I'd like Thorgan Hazard, Jonathan Tah, Keiran Tierney and Giroud....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 10, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Fair to say two of the 3 is going to be sigurdsson and a "target man".
I don't think the third will be another striker (hopefully it's VVD haha).

With that in mind, I reckon both Sandro and Rooney are being though of as striking options, not as part of the pool for that attacking 3 of midfield.

Would also explain why mirallas got a new contract then.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2017, 12:58:00 PM
Fair to say two of the 3 is going to be sigurdsson and a "target man".
I don't think the third will be another striker (hopefully it's VVD haha).

With that in mind, I reckon both Sandro and Rooney are being though of as striking options, not as part of the pool for that attacking 3 of midfield.

Would also explain why mirallas got a new contract then.

I'd say Koeman looks at it as in midfield and "strikers"; so yes they'd definitely be in the higher group.

Think Mirallas got a new deal as we can't ship out everyone(!) and we don't know about Bolasie yet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 10, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
I'd assume that was 3 before replacing any outgoings, as if Barry, McCarthy or FM leave we'd need to replace them.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2017, 01:27:16 PM
Think Martina is currently on international duty which may explain the delay.

He'll sign on deadline day to save paying him two months wages.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 10, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
He's only cover for Kenny so I don't think we're in any rush to get this signed. Probs all agreed in principle and awaits his return from international duty.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 10, 2017, 02:40:45 PM
He'll sign on deadline day to save paying him two months wages.



Whilst this may have been a shot at a specific section of our fanbase:

I really want it to be true. I'd miss not having a deadline day signing me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 10, 2017, 04:20:46 PM
Moshiri has confirmed through his Scottish mouthpiece there will be 3 more in on talksport.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2017, 04:44:35 PM
I'd assume that was 3 before replacing any outgoings, as if Barry, McCarthy or FM leave we'd need to replace them.

I'd like to think this is true.

The three players that I think will be signed (if there are no more outgoings) are Sigurdsson, Dembele or Dolberg, and an experienced striker.

If Funes Mori goes, I would like us to go for Smalling or Lemos.

If Barry and/or McCarthy go, I would favour a move for King Dong Dendoncker from our new mates Anderlecht.

And if Ross moves on, I would prefer us to sign a proper winger like Damarai Gray.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2017, 06:08:56 PM
Pinch of salt please, and nothing we don't know.

Lad in work reckons he knows a guy who is in the know a little bit.

Sig, Giroud, and a marquee £50m+ player all on the cards.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 10, 2017, 06:14:47 PM
Pinch of salt please, and nothing we don't know.

Lad in work reckons he knows a guy who is in the know a little bit.

Sig, Giroud, and a marquee £50m+ player all on the cards.

Be very happy with that. Feel we do need a marquee signing for various reasons.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2017, 06:24:13 PM
Pinch of salt please, and nothing we don't know.

Lad in work reckons he knows a guy who is in the know a little bit.

Sig, Giroud, and a marquee £50m+ player all on the cards.

I hope he's not as big as a marquee.

He would probably have fat tits.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 10, 2017, 07:14:38 PM
Yeah, or they'll just start showing last years table 😂

Nothing todo with me btw...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 10, 2017, 07:15:50 PM
Pinch of salt please, and nothing we don't know.

Lad in work reckons he knows a guy who is in the know a little bit.

Sig, Giroud, and a marquee £50m+ player all on the cards.

Alan Stubbs has just been hinting that a marquee player's on the way on SSN as well
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 10, 2017, 07:19:46 PM
Alan Stubbs has just been hinting that a marquee player's on the way on SSN as well

I need my daily player signing fix.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2017, 07:26:23 PM
Wonder what one would consider a marquee player now. A player from a top club or just a massive fee.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 10, 2017, 07:29:25 PM
Wonder what one would consider a marquee player now. A player from a top club or just a massive fee.
Both!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 10, 2017, 07:36:04 PM
Wonder what one would consider a marquee player now. A player from a top club or just a massive fee.

Suppose it'd have to be someone that is pretty much universally acknowledged to either be or guaranteed to be a top level player.

So could be from any club but you'd expect a £45m+ fee because of the expected / current level.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 10, 2017, 07:39:36 PM
I guess it's a player that the top sides would want. I'm not convinced we can really attract a marquee player. Think we are in a situation where we can attract the best players still with question marks against them
Someone from Italy but not juve, someone from the Portugal, maybe some from Germany but not Bayern or Dortmund. The top draw players though are willing to wait for a better offer
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2017, 07:41:39 PM
Alan Stubbs has just been hinting that a marquee player's on the way on SSN as well

I bet it's just Sigurdsson.

I say 'just', but yaknow, he's hardly a Messi or a Rooney ☺️
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2017, 07:45:32 PM
I bet it's just Sigurdsson.

I say 'just', but yaknow, he's hardly a Messi or a Rooney ☺️

Or it could be J-Rod 😃💥🔥
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 10, 2017, 07:45:34 PM
I bet it's just Sigurdsson.

I say 'just', but yaknow, he's hardly a Messi or a Rooney ☺️

He hinted at a name that's not been mentioned and Vinny O'Connor tried to coax it out of him but he kept quiet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 10, 2017, 07:45:41 PM
Wonder what one would consider a marquee player now. A player from a top club or just a massive fee.

I need a hero. He's got to be strong and he's got to be fast and he's got to be fresh from the fight.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gary1878 on July 10, 2017, 07:57:32 PM
I can see a left back, Mid and Striker coming in before the window is closed. Roberto Carlos, Zinedine Zidane and Ferenc Puskas have been mentioned....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blue slug on July 10, 2017, 08:19:17 PM
apparently james Rodríguez has been touted to the shite and man city, both don't really need him, could quite feasibly have a crack at signing him
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shortie on July 10, 2017, 08:24:53 PM
No one worried about the lack of left back cover here? If Baines loses his leg again we're stuck with Mori on left back, and we all saw how that went last season.

I'd like to see Sigurdsson, Giroud and some backup for Baines as our three signings.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 10, 2017, 08:26:53 PM
I need a hero. He's got to be strong and he's got to be fast and he's got to be fresh from the fight.

You have just been on fire lately, dude.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on July 10, 2017, 08:27:01 PM
James Rodríguez's fax machine receiving an offer from Everton:

(http://i.imgur.com/KZquOZM.gif)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueForYou on July 10, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
Marquee signing?

Mata..................?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 10, 2017, 08:57:19 PM
Not worried about the lack of links in the press to Lukaku replacements.....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueForYou on July 10, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
"Marquee" would surely mean a sit up in astonishment signing

£75m + add-ons

Coutinho, ho,ho,ho - Morrissey, Sheedy..................

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 10, 2017, 09:34:01 PM
He hinted at a name that's not been mentioned and Vinny O'Connor tried to coax it out of him but he kept quiet.

Oooo, the little tease  :batty:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 10, 2017, 10:52:17 PM
Suppose it'd have to be someone that is pretty much universally acknowledged to either be or guaranteed to be a top level player.

So could be from any club but you'd expect a £45m+ fee because of the expected / current level.

Pretty much it.

I think for us, as we're trying to establish ourselves amongst the top 7 in the league and have our name bandied about with the names on that list rather than those in the bottom 13 we are getting to a point where a signing in which are able to attract a really strong player (either established, or on a strong upward trajectory) becomes somewhat important. Is it absolutely necessary? Nope. However, I think it'd take a move like that for us to really get the media's attention both here and in Europe. Some would say that isn't important but it's a bit of snowball effect, and helps us bring in other players in the future.

I know it's hugely on the outside of the likelihood spectrum but a player in the vein of Bellotti who isn't playing CL, has an established buyout clause and is young enough to be able to put off a move to a CL team in favour of playing in a bigger league. Or even a transfer like VVD would put us into a different conversation in England at least as we've seemingly then beaten off interest from Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 11, 2017, 02:07:15 AM
Alan Myers confirming what Stubbs may have been hinting at:

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884483070715461632

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884487623233998848
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 11, 2017, 02:08:07 AM
Hoping the Sigurdsson stuff dies away now. We want three more players. There's about 6 weeks til deadline day. If we got Sig and Giroud within the next two weeks, it would leave for a pretty boring rest of summer.

But if we look elsewhere, then it leaves three potential nice surprises to come.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 11, 2017, 02:10:33 AM
Alan Myers confirming what Stubbs may have been hinting at:

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884483070715461632

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884487623233998848

it's Bale isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 11, 2017, 02:13:55 AM
Alan Myers confirming what Stubbs may have been hinting at:

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884483070715461632

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884487623233998848

Well, I can't think of anyone that we haven't already mentioned on here!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 11, 2017, 02:14:09 AM
James Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 02:20:12 AM
Yarmolenko.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on July 11, 2017, 02:21:52 AM
I was thinking it could be Morata, I highly doubt he'd be interested but I honestly can't think of any big players who are wanting moves this summer and that's the only way we'd get one.

What a turn of events that would be though.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 02:22:13 AM
Just put it out there, Myers. No-one's arsed if it's accurate or not. Does he think he's working on Watergate or summat?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 11, 2017, 02:22:56 AM
Just put it out there, Myers. No-one's arsed if it's accurate or not. Does he think he's working on Watergate or summat?

I thought the same.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 11, 2017, 02:25:28 AM
Chicharito
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 02:27:59 AM
Some of the replies to the tweet are superb, "does it rhyme with Meymar"
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 11, 2017, 02:29:00 AM
Myers is not putting it out there, because otherwise his sources wouldn't trust him again.

Once it's in the public domain, other clubs as well as our fans will know.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 11, 2017, 02:31:57 AM
It's Jason Koumas, isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 11, 2017, 02:32:58 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884494155946360832

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/11sBLVxNs7v6WA/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 02:33:34 AM
Come ed Al. Don't be an attention seeker.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 02:37:33 AM
I bet Rooney's got Hernandez's number in his phone still.  Best not be paying £40m for him else i'll owe whoever it was on here an apology and a pint.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 11, 2017, 02:37:59 AM
I have it on good authority it's this guy...

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3vRi0VIMxNfupwmQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 11, 2017, 02:40:05 AM
Fave reply so far ...

https://twitter.com/bluefgs85/status/884495720501452800
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 02:40:34 AM
https://twitter.com/rikgenius/status/884496510272106500
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 02:41:08 AM
Hes tweeted playing in the prem, so its gonna be Benteke, Aguero or Vardy
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 02:44:55 AM
Hes tweeted playing in the prem, so its gonna be Benteke, Aguero or Vardy

One is unobtainable the other two very meh, if not eurgh.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 02:44:59 AM
Martial maybe?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 11, 2017, 02:46:48 AM
Its Benteke I reckon. Seems that Koeman really wants someone good in the air and he certainly is that
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 11, 2017, 02:47:22 AM
Please not Benteke. it will undo all the hardwork so far this summer
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 02:47:41 AM
Just been a little bit sick in my mouth.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on July 11, 2017, 02:48:20 AM
It has to be Benteke, he said interesting, the interesting bit being he used to play for Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 02:48:51 AM
Underwhelming
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 11, 2017, 02:49:06 AM
Oh fuck it's Dwight Gayle isn't it..
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 02:49:29 AM
It has to be Benteke, he said interesting, the interesting bit being he used to play for Liverpool.

Holy shit its Suarez
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 02:51:07 AM
Martial maybe?

That's what I thought. He'd fit the age and profile and he wants to play up top as the main man.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 11, 2017, 02:52:04 AM
Hes tweeted playing in the prem, so its gonna be Benteke, Aguero or Vardy

Only one I could fathom is Benteke because he would fit our wage structure and could be a point man.

With that being said....I still think it is Giroud
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 02:52:19 AM
.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on July 11, 2017, 02:52:33 AM
Holy shit its Suarez

Imagine the fume...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 11, 2017, 02:53:09 AM
Fave reply so far ...

https://twitter.com/bluefgs85/status/884495720501452800

Fuck me, I still love her after all these years
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 11, 2017, 02:53:40 AM
Hope it's Iheanacho
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 02:53:55 AM
Martial would be the icing on our big massive tasty expensive transfer window cake
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: kramer0 on July 11, 2017, 02:54:13 AM
Benteke's not the only ex-Liverpool big lump out there...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 11, 2017, 02:54:29 AM
Giroud maybe
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 11, 2017, 02:54:35 AM
Fuck me, I still love her after all these years

Doubt you will see many 52 year olds in as good nick as that!fair play Liz
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on July 11, 2017, 02:55:05 AM
Liz Hurley keeps her hedge nice and trim  :snigger:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toffee1 on July 11, 2017, 02:55:32 AM
Fuck me, I still love her after all these years

Bet she still fits that dress from all those years ago.

Back to the thread. was really hoping @Confucius (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=196) call about Aubameyang was it but now think it will be either Benteke or Vardy.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on July 11, 2017, 02:56:06 AM
Benteke's not the only ex-Liverpool big lump out there...
............Ricky Lambert is available on a free
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2017, 02:56:19 AM
Bakambu
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 02:56:24 AM
Hes tweeted playing in the prem, so its gonna be Benteke, Aguero or Vardy

(https://i.imgflip.com/1sa5fd.jpg)

(https://i.imgflip.com/1sa5ol.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 02:57:15 AM
Bakambu

Prem
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2017, 02:58:07 AM
Prem

He said they're not in the prem didn't he?

You're right. Prem

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 11, 2017, 02:58:59 AM
Why are people assuming interesting would mean ex RS, think he just meant interesting.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 02:59:46 AM
Rondon?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 11, 2017, 03:00:03 AM
Don't want Vardy
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: t2487 on July 11, 2017, 03:00:37 AM
Hope it's Iheanacho
[/quote
Hope it's Iheanacho

Isn't he about to join Leicester?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 03:00:50 AM
He also said it's someone who has not been mentioned yet and Giroud has been in every paper.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 03:02:00 AM
Not Vardy apparently.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on July 11, 2017, 03:02:22 AM
Vincent Janssen
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 03:03:50 AM
Andy Carroll
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toffee1 on July 11, 2017, 03:04:33 AM
Hope not but could it be Sturridge?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sirblue57 on July 11, 2017, 03:06:00 AM
crouch?




(runs)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Blue Lagoon on July 11, 2017, 03:08:37 AM
I can't believe I'm being sucked into this - but - he's said he's not English (counting Vardy out thank god) and that it's come from a contact in the south.
Probably Benteke I would think 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 03:08:44 AM
Tonight has just highlighted theres a lot of shit strikers in the premiership.

Maybe its Okazaki.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 11, 2017, 03:09:30 AM
Please don't be another Belgium striker. I will be gutted if it's Benteke. Target man yes, but surely we can do better.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Everton Mint on July 11, 2017, 03:12:15 AM
Maybe this is the first sign of a 'Rooney-effect', attracting a player who wouldn't have previously considered coming here...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2017, 03:15:50 AM
Benteke or vardy is not exciting alan
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Everton Mint on July 11, 2017, 03:16:15 AM
Edin Dzeko.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Simon Paul on July 11, 2017, 03:16:57 AM
this is exactly like when Conga did a thread on Kipper in 2004 called "Just had a call" but wouldn't say who it was about

it was John Utaka

who then went to Portsmouth and did absolutely fuck all
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 11, 2017, 03:20:22 AM
Pissihg myself reading this thread.

ENNER VALENCIA!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Blue Lagoon on July 11, 2017, 03:21:21 AM
this is exactly like when Conga did a thread on Kipper in 2004 called "Just had a call" but wouldn't say who it was about

it was John Utaka

who then went to Portsmouth and did absolutely fuck all
Hmmph
Why do my chips stink of piss?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 03:23:11 AM
this is exactly like when Conga did a thread on Kipper in 2004 called "Just had a call" but wouldn't say who it was about

it was John Utaka

who then went to Portsmouth and did absolutely fuck all

I remember that.  The big shithouse.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2017, 03:23:13 AM
Come ed Al. Don't be an attention seeker.

Ey shut up this is boss. Drop feeding us details on our potential new superstar striker, I'm loving it.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 03:24:34 AM
Ey shut up this is boss. Drop feeding us details on our potential new superstar striker, I'm loving it.

Sound but if the trail leads to Benteke, Myers can get to fuck.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: schleffera on July 11, 2017, 03:25:39 AM
Dzeko seems to be the rumour, which fits the clues.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 11, 2017, 03:26:25 AM
Looks like it's Dzeko?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toffee1 on July 11, 2017, 03:27:10 AM
Latest tweet from Myers says

At this point Everton have bids in for two and strong interest in one according to my sources, nothing imminent so rest easy.

In the comments he mentions two strikers and one midfielder.

Sorry have not got the hang of posting the relevant tweet.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: velimski on July 11, 2017, 03:29:05 AM
The biggest clue is that there's already another thread on it....
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 11, 2017, 03:29:53 AM
Interesting
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Everton Mint on July 11, 2017, 03:30:02 AM
"...nothing imminent so rest easy."
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 03:30:22 AM
Batshuayi
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 11, 2017, 03:33:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEYZYoGXsAEJkm3.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 11, 2017, 03:37:10 AM
Just imagine us all staying up all night on deadline day hoping we're going to get lucky with the striker of our dreams and it turns out we're up all night for Benteke
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2017, 03:40:23 AM
Had a quick trawl through, probably missed some clues but.

£30m-ish
Prem
Not English
Not South American

Bats or Benteke
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 11, 2017, 03:44:09 AM
I don't understand the ambivalence towards Benteke. Premier League proven, his goals virtually kept Palace up last season and he is different to what we have already.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 03:45:13 AM
Just imagine us all staying up all night on deadline day hoping we're going to get lucky with the striker of our dreams and it turns out we're up all night for Benteke

Up all night for Shane Duffy was better.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 11, 2017, 03:45:21 AM
Oh Alan

https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884507835035512833
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 11, 2017, 03:46:25 AM
I don't understand the ambivalence towards Benteke. Premier League proven, his goals virtually kept Palace up last season and he is different to what we have already.

He doesnt move!  He's the anti-gwladys st striker.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 11, 2017, 03:46:43 AM
Had a quick trawl through, probably missed some clues but.

£30m-ish
Prem
Not English
Not South American

Bats or Benteke

Yeah I think people are off with the Dezko shout aren't they. Get the feeling lots still think he plays for Man City

Unless Myers still thinks he plays for City!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2017, 03:47:17 AM
I don't understand the ambivalence towards Benteke. Premier League proven, his goals virtually kept Palace up last season and he is different to what we have already.

I think he's a good player and I would have him, but I would like some pace and trickery around him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2017, 03:47:22 AM
I don't understand the ambivalence towards Benteke. Premier League proven, his goals virtually kept Palace up last season and he is different to what we have already.
Our fans have murdered lukaku for three years
You think bentekes attitude will go down well?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 11, 2017, 03:48:17 AM
Manolo Gabbiadini.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sirblue57 on July 11, 2017, 03:49:56 AM
Up all night for Shane Duffy was better.

up all.night for.liz Hurley.. ..... :evil:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Faceatthefence on July 11, 2017, 03:50:10 AM
The player we are more likely to be interested in is Slimani from Leicester.Chased by walsh for two years,he hasnt had the greatest first season but neither has Leicester.We were interested before he signed for the foxes,Leicester are reputedly  looking to claw back a fair bit of their outlay with iheanacho due in the door.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2017, 03:51:15 AM
The player we are more likely to be interested in is Slimani from Leicester.Chased by walsh for two years,he hasnt had the greatest first season but neither has Leicester.We were interested before he signed for the foxes,Leicester are reputedly  looking to claw back a fair bit of their outlay with iheanacho due in the door.

Well wouldn't that be shite.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bally on July 11, 2017, 03:52:06 AM
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/884494155946360832

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/11sBLVxNs7v6WA/giphy.gif)
Is it Stormzy is my favourite answer
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 11, 2017, 03:52:38 AM
up all.night for.liz Hurley.. ..... :evil:

Stay away from her damn you!!!! She's mine
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 11, 2017, 03:52:41 AM
Our fans have murdered lukaku for three years
You think bentekes attitude will go down well?

What attitude is this? None of his previous clubs seem to have any complaints and he's maintained a good goalscoring record over 4 or 5 years now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: hannu on July 11, 2017, 03:54:37 AM
What attitude is this? None of his previous clubs seem to have any complaints and he's maintained a good goalscoring record over 4 or 5 years now.

liverpool fans complained that he didnt run

personally i think he is a decent striker but cant see us getting him for anything short of stupid money
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2017, 03:56:36 AM
What attitude is this? None of his previous clubs seem to have any complaints and he's maintained a good goalscoring record over 4 or 5 years now.
He doesn't run
Doesnt get involved.
Goes games without scoring
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 03:57:10 AM
Didn't Myers imply that it would be a player that might've previously been considered beyond our grasp, like it would make people sit up and take notice? Benteke, Slimani and that ilk certainly don't fit that.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sirblue57 on July 11, 2017, 03:57:23 AM
Stay away from her damn you!!!! She's mine


 :hmph: selfish git.....

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Danny on July 11, 2017, 03:57:24 AM
Just imagine us all staying up all night on deadline day hoping we're going to get lucky with the striker of our dreams and it turns out we're up all night for Benteke

I'd still be made up, has a goal every other game in the prem, benefits hugely in teams where there is a lot of crossing going on, everything points to him being a huge success here but I would prefer Dzeko.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2017, 03:59:12 AM
Josh King being mentioned as one of the strikers
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2017, 03:59:27 AM
Didn't Myers imply that it would be a player that might've previously been considered beyond our grasp, like it would make people sit up and take notice? Benteke, Slimani and that ilk certainly don't fit that.

Do you get that for £30m?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Simon Paul on July 11, 2017, 04:00:02 AM
Josh King being mentioned as one of the strikers

would cost far too much and deliver far too little
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Everton Mint on July 11, 2017, 04:02:50 AM
Though Sandro Ramirez was the replacement for Lukaku. Plus Rooney said he was gonna play as a forward...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: hill135 on July 11, 2017, 04:20:40 AM
He's clearly tickling our balls with no intention of wanking us off.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 11, 2017, 04:32:27 AM
does he even know anything, really? Just seems like he is attention seeking here.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 11, 2017, 04:38:55 AM
So he confirms the interest is in Benteke and Sigurdsson. We want Giroud but he wants to stay at Arsenal

You are looking at about 80-90mil for the 2 of them though aren't you?!

https://twitter.com/alanmyersmedia/status/884525882077044736
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 04:39:35 AM
Myers has just come out and said it's Benteke, Giroud and Sig.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 11, 2017, 04:40:21 AM

 :hmph: selfish git.....



I'm not even sorry
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 11, 2017, 04:40:56 AM
wow, so he's got fuckall
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 11, 2017, 04:42:20 AM
Nothing we didnt already know then.

Alan you big winky.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 04:43:53 AM
Not particularly arsed about any of them 3 tbh.

I think Koeman sometimes fixates a bit too much on 'proven Prem players'. All three of them came from abroad and settled well in the Prem. Hopefully Steve Walsh has got some more imaginative signings in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 04:44:20 AM
I see Leicester have agreed a deal for Iheanacho. Strike that one off any potential list for us.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 11, 2017, 04:45:42 AM
Id still be happy with Benteke but we need someone who is quick.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 04:48:24 AM
He has got progressively slower and lazier as he's aged. Doesn't even pretend to break into a jog anymore.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 11, 2017, 04:49:58 AM
Id still be happy with Benteke but we need someone who is quick.

I would be happy to take Zapata
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 11, 2017, 04:52:13 AM
It's easy to forget that Benteke is only 26.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2017, 04:53:24 AM
Is Walsh having any kind of say in the business we're doing?

Seems like it's mostly Koeman type players were going for.

Surely Walsh has some players from abroad we can go for?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 11, 2017, 04:54:08 AM
Is Walsh having any kind of say in the business we're doing?

Seems like it's mostly Koeman type players were going for.

Surely Walsh has some players from abroad we can go for?

I think Walsh and Koeman work together on strategy and tactics and then find players to suit said strategy.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Trublue on July 11, 2017, 04:55:03 AM
It's easy to forget that Benteke is only 26.

He did his Achilles a few years ago. I did mine 3 years ago and its never been as good as it was. I remember the Yak doing his and was never as good coming back.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 11, 2017, 04:55:43 AM
I really, really don't want Benteke.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2017, 04:59:18 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Modeste_(footballer,_born_1988)

This is the man for me.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 05:00:08 AM
Is Walsh having any kind of say in the business we're doing?

Seems like it's mostly Koeman type players were going for.

Surely Walsh has some players from abroad we can go for?

Sandro and Onyekuru reek of Walsh.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 11, 2017, 05:04:31 AM
I'd actually be quite happy with Benteke tbf.

Then again I still quite like the idea of Balotelli too. So I'm probably not the best person to give an opinion on our choice of new striker.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on July 11, 2017, 05:06:37 AM
So that's 8 pages of Alan Myers speculation only for him to come out with fuck all new. Marvelous.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 11, 2017, 05:10:15 AM
What a bellend.

Everyone look at me I've got some big news.

Then tells us what we all know.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2017, 05:10:48 AM
WHERE IS MY PACEY AFRICAN WINGER
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 11, 2017, 05:12:28 AM
Haha.

It would be funny if he got all kinds of grief on twitter for this and went to bed unhappy with his wife asking him whats wrong.

lolol

Sorry lads, I am easily amused.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: pjk on July 11, 2017, 05:25:13 AM
 None of us can decide on our main striker. We're all trying to work out, who it should be, including me. Koeman is gong to allow Rooney, to play in his best position. :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 11, 2017, 06:15:44 AM
None of us can decide on our main striker. We're all trying to work out, who it should be, including me. Koeman is gong to allow Rooney, to play in his best position. :)

I think Rooney will indeed play some striker, but when he does, it will be if/when he comes off the bench as the "super sub" (whether he does this most of the time or not).  We are clearly still looking for someone to start in that role.  Rooney could be very effective once there once the defense has been softened up, but you hardly want him doing the donkey work.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: American Evertonian on July 11, 2017, 06:46:59 AM
I'd actually be quite happy with Benteke tbf.

Then again I still quite like the idea of Balotelli too. So I'm probably not the best person to give an opinion on our choice of new striker.

I would really like Balotelli here. Esp now that he seems to have understood what it means to be a professional
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blueToffee on July 11, 2017, 09:02:15 AM
I think I scrolled too fast and hit 88 mph by accident. Benteke and Balotelli shouts? Is this 2012?
Title: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 11, 2017, 10:23:48 AM
I would really like Balotelli here. Esp now that he seems to have understood what it means to be a professional
He got sent off 3 times last season mate. He's still a lose cannon/bellend.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 11, 2017, 01:33:50 PM
It's easy to forget that Benteke is only 26.

Only a couple of years younger than The Yak then...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 11, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
Balotelli? Behave
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluebridge on July 11, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
Balotelli? Behave
I would really like Balotelli here. Esp now that he seems to have understood what it means to be a professional
Am I reading this right? Balotelli? the bellend that once graced analfield? FFS NO!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Nicco on July 11, 2017, 03:56:46 PM
Am I reading this right? Balotelli? the bellend that once graced analfield? FFS NO!
But it would be wonderful if he worked out... And then sell him for actual money!

And I would also love it if we landed VVD... Imagine the fume, well worth £60m 💷💷💷
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on July 11, 2017, 04:13:31 PM
Still waiting for a couple of Steve Walsh gems to be signed , I would have thought the signings so far were mostly on big Rons shopping list, perhaps the U23 signings and the striker we bought and loaned back out were on Walshies list?

I'd be disappointed (to an extent)if all the first teamers were just expensive experienced premier league players

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 11, 2017, 04:25:54 PM
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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TrevorSteven on July 11, 2017, 05:03:01 PM
I am not overly convinced by our spending, but would love to be proven wrong.

Pickford for me is a massive gamble, but as he is english his ability is exagerated. Playing for a massively defensive team getting shot at all the time made a perfect shopping window. Our GK needs to be one of the most mentaly crazy players wanting to win everything in the world, hating to conceed even A chance. Pickford is for me not that. He his actually the opposite - extremely used to conceding goals and loosing and he has even been praised while doing that.

Michael Keane is for me much of the same. English and therefor massively rated. Played for a team and a manager where you look very good, but has not
the pace and unproven as a defender of a offensive and dominating team.

Klaasen is unproven at this level but has showed many of his talents in Europe. But he aint a Mata, Hazard og Alli.

Sandro may become very good but how good is he actually?

Rooney is a big questionmark.

I feel Everton need some players that has pace and quality to unease defenders. Still dont see that. I actually think the players having that ability has left.

Hope i am wrong.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 05:22:50 PM
I am not overly convinced by our spending, but would love to be proven wrong.

Pickford for me is a massive gamble, but as he is english his ability is exagerated. Playing for a massively defensive team getting shot at all the time made a perfect shopping window. Our GK needs to be one of the most mentaly crazy players wanting to win everything in the world, hating to conceed even A chance. Pickford is for me not that. He his actually the opposite - extremely used to conceding goals and loosing and he has even been praised while doing that.

Michael Keane is for me much of the same. English and therefor massively rated. Played for a team and a manager where you look very good, but has not
the pace and unproven as a defender of a offensive and dominating team.

Klaasen is unproven at this level but has showed many of his talents in Europe. But he aint a Mata, Hazard og Alli.

Sandro may become very good but how good is he actually?

Rooney is a big questionmark.

I feel Everton need some players that has pace and quality to unease defenders. Still dont see that. I actually think the players having that ability has left.

Hope i am wrong.

Fuckin hell mate are you on a comedown from weekend?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on July 11, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
I am not overly convinced by our spending, but would love to be proven wrong.

Pickford for me is a massive gamble, but as he is english his ability is exagerated. Playing for a massively defensive team getting shot at all the time made a perfect shopping window. Our GK needs to be one of the most mentaly crazy players wanting to win everything in the world, hating to conceed even A chance. Pickford is for me not that. He his actually the opposite - extremely used to conceding goals and loosing and he has even been praised while doing that.

Michael Keane is for me much of the same. English and therefor massively rated. Played for a team and a manager where you look very good, but has not
the pace and unproven as a defender of a offensive and dominating team.

Klaasen is unproven at this level but has showed many of his talents in Europe. But he aint a Mata, Hazard og Alli.

Sandro may become very good but how good is he actually?

Rooney is a big questionmark.

I feel Everton need some players that has pace and quality to unease defenders. Still dont see that. I actually think the players having that ability has left.

Hope i am wrong.

Miserable bastard
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 11, 2017, 05:42:11 PM
I think a few of us on here are hoping we can run before we can walk, we wont be getting young Champions League quality players in this season, because we are still not at the position to attract tat type of player, the likes of Sigurdsson, Benteke, Giroud and maybe Dost are about the highest profile names we are going to attract...we are certainly not be going to get VVD, Aguero, Martial, Morata, Costa or any of those ilk this season. We need to be patient and enjoy the slow rebuilding of what could be a very good squad hopefully next year, with a mixture of old and new players who will move us on to the next level.
I for one am not going to get ahead of myself and am happy with what we are doing at the moment, hopefully we will have enough to contend for a domestic trophy, finish in the top 6/7 and progress in the Europa too.
We are a works in progress and shouldn't expect too much too soon, its not going to be easy having pretty much 75% of a new squad with players that haven't played together before ...so sit back and enjoy the ride guys.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 11, 2017, 06:16:42 PM
I think a few of us on here are hoping we can run before we can walk, we wont be getting young Champions League quality players in this season, because we are still not at the position to attract tat type of player, the likes of Sigurdsson, Benteke, Giroud and maybe Dost are about the highest profile names we are going to attract...we are certainly not be going to get VVD, Aguero, Martial, Morata, Costa or any of those ilk this season. We need to be patient and enjoy the slow rebuilding of what could be a very good squad hopefully next year, with a mixture of old and new players who will move us on to the next level.
Nobody is seriously suggesting we can compete for Morata or Aguero, but there are plenty of players we could get who could potentially become Champions League quality players.

Leicester bought and developed Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. Spurs bought and developed Eriksen, Alli and Walker. Southampton bought Van Dijk and Mane.

There are good, young players around Europe with a lot of potential we could buy and develop in to Champions League quality players.

Buying too many players who are 28+ will see us fall even further behind long term because these players have already proven they're not good enough for where we want to be.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 11, 2017, 06:21:03 PM
Nobody is seriously suggesting we can compete for Morata or Aguero, but there are plenty of players we could get who could potentially become Champions League quality players.

Leicester bought and developed Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. Spurs bought and developed Eriksen, Alli and Walker. Southampton bought Van Dijk and Mane.

There are good, young players around Europe with a lot of potential we could buy and develop in to Champions League quality players.

Buying too many players who are 28+ will see us fall even further behind long term because these players have already proven they're not good enough for where we want to be.

Oh trust me when you read through some of these posts there are people who think we can compete for those...

I agree totally, we have now got a lot of potential and hopefully we can, like you say develop them to perform at the highest level and allow us to compete with the best but that wont happen overnight.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 11, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
Leicester bought and developed Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. Spurs bought and developed Eriksen, Alli and Walker. Southampton bought Van Dijk and Mane.

Hate when people pick out certain transfers and we should just get these types of players and ignore the bulk of what these teams buy...

Leicester bought Huth, Upson, Simpson, experienced players with no flair, they also bought Inler, Amartey, Benaloune, Kramaric, Musa, Slimani who have been varying degrees of crap?

Spurs sounded loads of money on likes of Janssen, Sissoko, Fazio, Stambouli, N'Jie

The amazing signing who turns Champions League quality after being bought by a team not at the top table is a rare thing to be honest
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 11, 2017, 06:50:02 PM
Nobody is seriously suggesting we can compete for Morata or Aguero

They are though.

Also mentioned recently have been Sanchez and Ozil too.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 11, 2017, 06:50:29 PM
Hate when people pick out certain transfers and we should just get these types of players and ignore the bulk of what these teams buy...

Leicester bought Huth, Upson, Simpson, experienced players with no flair, they also bought Inler, Amartey, Benaloune, Kramaric, Musa, Slimani who have been varying degrees of crap?

Spurs sounded loads of money on likes of Janssen, Sissoko, Fazio, Stambouli, N'Jie

The amazing signing who turns Champions League quality after being bought by a team not at the top table is a rare thing to be honest
I'm well aware that a lot of signings won't work out though and I don't see that as a bad thing.

A lot of players who go into Everton's youth academy ultimately aren't good enough, but when you bring through a Rooney, a Barkley, a Davies or an, ahem, £10m Rodwell it's worth it.

We signed a lot of inexpensive and ultimately not good enough youth players under Moyes and Martinez, but when you sell Stones for almost £50m it's worth it.

I view the transfers we make now the same way. Yes, we could buy Sigurdsson for £40m but the likelihood he's good enough for a CL club is far less than 50%. I would prefer we use that £40m and his wages to buy five young £8m players who each have, say, a 25% chance of being good enough for the CL. I think you're much more likely to end up in a better place doing that.

You see these players as failures, I see them as the cost of doing business.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: van der Meyde on July 11, 2017, 06:51:16 PM
They are though.

Also mentioned recently have been Sanchez and Ozil too.
Well, these people are idiots then. :)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 11, 2017, 06:52:31 PM
I am not overly convinced by our spending, but would love to be proven wrong.

Pickford for me is a massive gamble, but as he is english his ability is exagerated. Playing for a massively defensive team getting shot at all the time made a perfect shopping window. Our GK needs to be one of the most mentaly crazy players wanting to win everything in the world, hating to conceed even A chance. Pickford is for me not that. He his actually the opposite - extremely used to conceding goals and loosing and he has even been praised while doing that.

Michael Keane is for me much of the same. English and therefor massively rated. Played for a team and a manager where you look very good, but has not
the pace and unproven as a defender of a offensive and dominating team.

Klaasen is unproven at this level but has showed many of his talents in Europe. But he aint a Mata, Hazard og Alli.

Sandro may become very good but how good is he actually?

Rooney is a big questionmark.

I feel Everton need some players that has pace and quality to unease defenders. Still dont see that. I actually think the players having that ability has left.

Hope i am wrong.
You ok hun?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 11, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
Nobody is seriously suggesting we can compete for Morata or Aguero, but there are plenty of players we could get who could potentially become Champions League quality players.

Leicester bought and developed Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. Spurs bought and developed Eriksen, Alli and Walker. Southampton bought Van Dijk and Mane.

There are good, young players around Europe with a lot of potential we could buy and develop in to Champions League quality players.

Buying too many players who are 28+ will see us fall even further behind long term because these players have already proven they're not good enough for where we want to be.

That list is a bit odd. Kante, Vardy, Mahrez, Walker, Ali, VVD, Mane??? These weren't considered great signings when they were made. Most of who we've signed have come with bigger reputations. You've just cherry picked success stories. I'd rather Klassen than someone with Mahrezs career stats. I'd rather Keane than a totally unproven centre half from Celtic.
You're talking about the players they became rather than the business they did at the time and just picked out all the successes 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 07:28:27 PM
Nobody is seriously suggesting we can compete for Morata or Aguero, but there are plenty of players we could get who could potentially become Champions League quality players.

Leicester bought and developed Kante, Mahrez and Vardy. Spurs bought and developed Eriksen, Alli and Walker. Southampton bought Van Dijk and Mane.

There are good, young players around Europe with a lot of potential we could buy and develop in to Champions League quality players.

Buying too many players who are 28+ will see us fall even further behind long term because these players have already proven they're not good enough for where we want to be.

Yeh, because when Leicester paid £1m for a non-league striker or £400k for an unknown Algerian from the French league they were confident they'd go on to become players capable of scoring at Champions League level.

Remind me, how many players have we signed so far at the 28 yr old+ level?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 11, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
Has @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)  been lashing posts around and splitting threads?

I'm seeing a couple of posts above quoting EiNC from another thread.
When i click on the quote i get a 404.

Couple of other things twisting my melon as well
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Gash on July 11, 2017, 09:48:53 PM
Has @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)  been lashing posts around and splitting threads?

I'm seeing a couple of posts above quoting EiNC from another thread.
When i click on the quote i get a 404.

Couple of other things twisting my melon as well

Dunno what the 404's for? Even if something is split and a quote is left behind in another thread it should still take you to that quote rather than a 404 error.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: stirlingblue on July 11, 2017, 10:01:42 PM

I view the transfers we make now the same way. Yes, we could buy Sigurdsson for £40m but the likelihood he's good enough for a CL club is far less than 50%. I would prefer we use that £40m and his wages to buy five young £8m players who each have, say, a 25% chance of being good enough for the CL. I think you're much more likely to end up in a better place doing that.

You see these players as failures, I see them as the cost of doing business.

That's what we've done with Sandro, Onyekuru, Lookman, DCL and Holgate.

You can only have so many of these players in your squad as they don't get better by just sitting on the bench. Chelsea tried that and it didn't work because none of their players get game time, that's why they had to let De Bruyne go.

You can't just buy five £8m players, wait 3 years and then check if their ability has gone up, this is real life not FIFA.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 11, 2017, 10:50:40 PM
Has @Gash (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)  been lashing posts around and splitting threads?

I'm seeing a couple of posts above quoting EiNC from another thread.
When i click on the quote i get a 404.

Couple of other things twisting my melon as well

Think you have to clear cache, or it'll still have the old link location.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Tinga on July 12, 2017, 01:23:58 AM
Shit there's no new links or anything today, we going to spend some money this summer or what?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Simon Paul on July 12, 2017, 02:09:11 AM
so Alan Myers didn't ever reveal who the player was then?

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 12, 2017, 02:25:01 AM
so Alan Myers didn't ever reveal who the player was then?



Benteke wasn't it?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2017, 06:12:06 AM
i need some pacey links soon
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 12, 2017, 06:21:24 AM
i need some pacey links soon

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jamokachi on July 12, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
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I raise you...

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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 12, 2017, 12:08:31 PM
i need some pacey links soon

This is all I could find, a pacey lynx.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 12, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
i need some pacey links soon

not seen us linked directly, but a bunch of clubs after Zouma on loan, would be a good option to have at the back surely?

although we're probably not in Chelsea's good books now after Lukaku
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 12, 2017, 03:41:29 PM
not seen us linked directly, but a bunch of clubs after Zouma on loan, would be a good option to have at the back surely?

although we're probably not in Chelsea's good books now after Lukaku

Its a loan with no option to buy, so its a no from me.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: EVERTON 66 on July 12, 2017, 03:52:57 PM
I think a lot people will be disappointed come September because just because the club has money doesn't mean they can buy anyone. Every team that finishes above us will be a better prospect and can pay higher wages. But because every agent knows we are desperately looking for players their clients will ask for very high salaries. If there is a really good player available for less than 30 million, there will be at least ten Champions League clubs after him. In the PL alone at least two clubs above us wants to sign players to any position. GK: both ManC and the RS defo want, possibly ManU if De Gea leaves. CB: pretty much every team above us. Midfield and attack likewise.

So realistically our best chance is with players CL clubs don't want. And prices for those will be high too.
U  was absolutely right with your analysis but haven't done bad so far.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: EVERTON 66 on July 12, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
Any advances on £200m?!  I feel a sweepstake coming on
To be honest don't think the spending will be far short of 200m we won't be  too far behind manure!!!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: EVERTON 66 on July 12, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Like most, I would be happy for most of the business to be done early on. Wouldn't like the Lukaku transfer to drag on till after our first game.

Any deadwood sales can go whenever they want really, they're probably not going to give Koeman a selection headache if they are still hanging around for the first game.

Keane would be a good signing, not a chance of signing VVD.
I'd be happy with Pickford too actually.

Then we need a new LB, 2 strikers, a quality number 10, 1 wide attacking forward (or 2 if we sell Deulofeu).
Not sure about a new RB as I think Jonjo Kenny is more than ready to step up.

Considering how much we will get for Lukaku and the rest, we probably won't have a massive net spend either.
Fantastic analysis there : u want to be manager? Lol.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 05:12:24 PM
To be honest don't think the spending will be far short of 200m we won't be  too far behind manure!!!!

Can you imagine the fume if the money recouped in sales is £150m+ though. Meltdown from the head wobblers.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bally on July 12, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
Interesting breakdown of spending (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/661caf013b1f354de9746bbffad36b39.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 09:21:40 PM
I would have thought it would have been better than that really. I thought we'd spent £85m and recouped £98m.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2017, 09:33:33 PM
I would have thought it would have been better than that really. I thought we'd spent £85m and recouped £98m.

It's guaranteed fees only.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 12, 2017, 09:36:03 PM
Says it doesn't include add ons, which were £15m on first offer for Lukaku.

Keane had £5m of add ons, Pickford as well.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 09:42:59 PM
It's guaranteed fees only.

Yeh. I thought we got £75m up front for Lukaku, £10.5m for Del, Cleverley's £8m would have fallen into this window and McGeady was about £4.5m I thought. £98m
Spending was £25m up front for Pickford, same for Keane, £23 for Klassan, £5.3 for Sandro and £8m for Onyekuru. £86m.

Not that I'm arsed like just seems like we've spent more than we have and not recouped as much.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ridge on July 12, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
Yeh. I thought we got £75m up front for Lukaku, £10.5m for Del, Cleverley's £8m would have fallen into this window and McGeady was about £4.5m I thought. £98m
Spending was £25m up front for Pickford, same for Keane, £23 for Klassan, £5.3 for Sandro and £8m for Onyekuru. £86m.

Not that I'm arsed like just seems like we've spent more than we have and not recouped as much.

Think it's £2m for McGeady and that hasn't gone through yet, and thought Onyekuru was £7m, but splitting hairs at that point.

Suspect that they might have included add ons for Pickford. If they had one of those in every paper, they'd all have different totals for each team except for Palace.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
Think it's £2m for McGeady and that hasn't gone through yet, and thought Onyekuru was £7m, but splitting hairs at that point.

Suspect that they might have included add ons for Pickford. If they had one of those in every paper, they'd all have different totals for each team except for Palace.

We're in credit anyway, which is all the idiots who need us to have a net spend of £100m+ need to know to start frothing at the mouth.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 12, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
How times change
Huddersfield net spend 36m
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2017, 10:16:23 PM
How times change
Huddersfield net spend 36m
And they'll still finish in the bottom 3
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 12, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
And they'll still finish in the bottom 3
More than likely
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: D15TIN on July 12, 2017, 10:27:51 PM
More than likely
Got 66/1 Huddersfield, Brighton & West Ham
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 13, 2017, 03:44:51 AM
My favourite ever transfer window was when we bought Cottee for 2.5 million, McCall for 800k, Nevin for 900k and McDonald for 500k.

Those were the days.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 13, 2017, 03:47:23 AM
My favourite ever transfer window was when we bought Cottee for 2.5 million, McCall for 800k, Nevin for 900k and McDonald for 500k.

Those were the days.
Funnily enough, that's one of my worst

Cottee was shite
Mccall poor.
Nevin gash
Mcdonald one of the worst players I've ever seen where an Everton shirt

And they were all to "improve" a top four side

The beginning of the end
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Confucius on July 13, 2017, 03:49:45 AM
Funnily enough, that's one of my worst

Cottee was shite
Mccall poor.
Nevin gash
Mcdonald one of the worst players I've ever seen where an Everton shirt

And they were all to "improve" a top four side

The beginning of the end

What!!!!. Nevin was brilliant. Mccall was my favourite midfielder and kept us in the game in the 87 final. Cottee did turn to crap. Mcdonald I agree
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 13, 2017, 03:50:15 AM
My favourite ever transfer window was when we bought Cottee for 2.5 million, McCall for 800k, Nevin for 900k and McDonald for 500k.

Those were the days.


was keown the same year?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2017, 03:50:51 AM
Funnily enough, that's one of my worst

Cottee was shite
Mccall poor.
Nevin gash
Mcdonald one of the worst players I've ever seen where an Everton shirt

And they were all to "improve" a top four side

The beginning of the end

To improve a team that was twice champions in the previous three years (and should have been thrice but for Oxford)

Such a grim decline that was 😔
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Risky on July 13, 2017, 03:53:49 AM
Funnily enough, that's one of my worst

Cottee was shite
Mccall poor.
Nevin gash
Mcdonald one of the worst players I've ever seen where an Everton shirt

And they were all to "improve" a top four side

The beginning of the end

At the time though, the first 3 looked like good signings.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2017, 03:55:35 AM
What!!!!. Nevin was brilliant. Mccall was my favourite midfielder and kept us in the game in the 87 final. Cottee did turn to crap. Mcdonald I agree

'89, Con.

Nevin could be brilliant, but not often, and certainly wasn't in Trevor Steven's league.

McCall was tenacious, but was nowhere near Reid's class.

And Cottee had good goalscoring stats, and little else.

And yeah, McDonald looked drunk when he played.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 13, 2017, 03:57:05 AM
McCall made thatcup final watchable, i can see why he woulda been a fave for many back then, but Nevin was sick, he had some awesome skills, i enjoyed watching him play, with Sheedy on the other side (who was my fave player back then)


Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Risky on July 13, 2017, 03:59:17 AM
Nevin's lobbed finish against United at Goodison was a thing of beauty.  He was far too inconsistent though from what I remember.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 13, 2017, 04:00:01 AM
At the time, they were exciting signings.

It's funny, Cottee wasn't the greatest, but he knew where the back of the net was.

Nevin was good, as was McCall, McDonald was the only poor signing out of that lot.

Were any of them a patch on the previous year? Nope.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2017, 04:00:40 AM
Nevin's lobbed finish against United at Goodison was a thing of beauty.  He was far too inconsistent though from what I remember.

Yes, that summed him up.

Highly skilled and intelligent, just a bit powderpuff and really inconsistent.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 13, 2017, 01:16:16 PM
Nevin's lobbed finish against United at Goodison was a thing of beauty.  He was far too inconsistent though from what I remember.
Yeah that was a nice finish to be fair
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 13, 2017, 01:49:41 PM
Remember thinking Cottee was amazing after his debut hat trick against Newcastle
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 13, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
Speaking of Everton strikers I see James Vaughan is off to Sunderland. Proper home from home for them boys up there now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lazarou on July 13, 2017, 02:37:42 PM
Remember thinking Cottee was amazing after his debut hat trick against Newcastle

I remember watching the end of the official history of Everton on VHS and at the end it had Colin Harvey and his new charges with them predicting a bright future with Cottee, McCall and Mcdonald running round at bellefield. That worked out well.

(http://i.imgur.com/VcciCBE.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 13, 2017, 02:39:38 PM
Speaking of Everton strikers I see James Vaughan is off to Sunderland. Proper home from home for them boys up there now.

Made up for Vaughan though, always wanted him to do well.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2017, 03:32:21 PM
I remember watching the end of the official history of Everton on VHS and at the end it had Colin Harvey and his new charges with them predicting a bright future with Cottee, McCall and Mcdonald running round at bellefield. That worked out well.

(http://i.imgur.com/VcciCBE.jpg)

Yeah, I bought it as soon as it came out, and John Motson verbalised my optimism of continued excellence.

How wrong we both were.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 13, 2017, 03:53:54 PM
I remember watching the end of the official history of Everton on VHS and at the end it had Colin Harvey and his new charges with them predicting a bright future with Cottee, McCall and Mcdonald running round at bellefield. That worked out well.

(http://i.imgur.com/VcciCBE.jpg)

Motson said Kendall left Everton to manage Barcelona on that, wrong!!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: dangermouse on July 13, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
I listened to a Podcast the other day from The Blue Room, Everton Business Matters. The guys on it give a very good account of how transfers and wages are put on the companies book....

Interestingly from their rough calculations using publicised figures, we have spent roughly £60m more than last year.........

http://www.theblueroomefc.com/2017/07/podcast-everton-business-matters-episode-7/
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on July 16, 2017, 12:28:01 AM
why havn't we signed anyone in recent days?

Moshiri out
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 16, 2017, 05:06:20 AM
Waiting to sell Ross so we have some more money to spend. Dont want to be embarrassed by Huddersfield now do we ;)
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Buck76 on July 16, 2017, 08:12:11 PM
Speaking of Everton strikers I see James Vaughan is off to Sunderland. Proper home from home for them boys up there now.

Their away kit will be Royal Blue next... 10 former or Current Blues in their squad :0) With Pickford that's a full team..

Pickford

Tyias. Lescott Galloway Oviedo
McGeady, Rodwell, Gibson, Pienaar
           Vaughan, Anichebe

Might stick a few quid on Robles to Sunderland to complete the Set!!!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 16, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
Their away kit will be Royal Blue next... 10 former or Current Blues in their squad :0) With Pickford that's a full team..

Pickford

Tyias. Lescott Galloway Oviedo
McGeady, Rodwell, Gibson, Pienaar
           Vaughan, Anichebe

Might stick a few quid on Robles to Sunderland to complete the Set!!!

Anichebe plays in China now.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Buck76 on July 16, 2017, 09:21:21 PM
Anichebe plays in China now.

Sell Out :0).... Niasse perfect replacement...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 16, 2017, 10:08:58 PM
Nevin's lobbed finish against United at Goodison was a thing of beauty.  He was far too inconsistent though from what I remember.

Until he tried the same trick with a penalty and put it over the bar with the trajectory of a balloon.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: blargins on July 16, 2017, 10:16:12 PM
Until he tried the same trick with a penalty and put it over the bar with the trajectory of a balloon.

We should have won that game 5-2 instead of scraping 3-2. We were 3-0 up at one point too.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2017, 10:22:11 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jul/16/everton-ronald-koeman-wayne-rooney-olivier-giroud-spending-spree
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2017, 10:31:45 PM
We genuinely can't go into the season with

Rooney the only recognised striker
No pace until Coleman and Bolassie are back from bad injuries
No left sided cover for defence

I'd like a busy week next week.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 16, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jul/16/everton-ronald-koeman-wayne-rooney-olivier-giroud-spending-spree

Boss article that
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 10:37:49 PM
We genuinely can't go into the season with

Rooney the only recognised striker
No pace until Coleman and Bolassie are back from bad injuries
No left sided cover for defence

I'd like a busy week next week.

I'm most worried about going into those first six fixtures with a back four of Baines-Williams-Keane-Kenny and Pickford in goal.

If Keane and Pickford don't settle in fast and Kenny/Holgate gets terrorised then we're going to ship a lot of goals.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 16, 2017, 10:38:36 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jul/16/everton-ronald-koeman-wayne-rooney-olivier-giroud-spending-spree

Like the focus on Giroud and the comments from Koeman re using Rooney across all four attacking positions.  His versatility is his greatest asset, and he is indeed wasted in a holding midfield role (where we are loaded with talent anyway).

Rooney will be much harder to defend if you don't really know where to look for him, week to week.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2017, 10:53:15 PM
I'm most worried about going into those first six fixtures with a back four of Baines-Williams-Keane-Kenny and Pickford in goal.

If Keane and Pickford don't settle in fast and Kenny/Holgate gets terrorised then we're going to ship a lot of goals.


Yeah definitely a worry.

Not sure what you can do though? Go out and get a couple of proven prem defenders who can cover across the back line between them? Still a risk they don't settle.

I'm not 100% sold on Keane but I do think he will settle quickly and hit the ground running. Fingers crossed for Pickford also. Just a shame we've got an absolute stinker of a run right at the start of the season. Team and fans heads at risk inside 5 games.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 10:56:49 PM
Yeah definitely a worry.

Not sure what you can do though? Go out and get a couple of proven prem defenders who can cover across the back line between them? Still a risk they don't settle.

I'm not 100% sold on Keane but I do think he will settle quickly and hit the ground running. Fingers crossed for Pickford also. Just a shame we've got an absolute stinker of a run right at the start of the season. Team and fans heads at risk inside 5 games.

Might even be worth going three at the back?

Pickford
Keane Jagielka Williams
Kenny Gana Schneiderlin Baines
Winger Striker Winger

Negative approach but at least there's some experience at the back that way and Kenny/Holgate will be less exposed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2017, 10:58:21 PM
Might even be worth going three at the back?

Pickford
Keane Jagielka Williams
Kenny Gana Schneiderlin Baines
Winger Striker Winger

Negative approach but at least there's some experience at the back that way and Kenny/Holgate will be less exposed.

Sacking Klaassen off already?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 16, 2017, 11:03:44 PM
Walk in the pub today, Liverpool fan friend turns to me and says, what a fucking joke Everton are, signing rooney...... Nothing about our other signings, nothing about their lack of signings just that
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 11:06:46 PM
Sacking Klaassen off already?

In that formation, probably.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 16, 2017, 11:09:45 PM
I think our defence looks very poor tbh.

Are we expecting Baines to play every game here?

Williams hasn't convinced

Jags is close to the end

And the young lads can't really be trusted.

Lot of work needs to be done there
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2017, 11:09:50 PM
In that formation, probably.



Probably means we won't be playing that formation then ;) We've not signed the captain of Ajax as a benchwarmer.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 11:13:05 PM
I think our defence looks very poor tbh.

Are we expecting Baines to play every game here?

Williams hasn't convinced

Jags is close to the end

And the young lads can't really be trusted.

Lot of work needs to be done there
Rather negative outlook there.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 16, 2017, 11:13:56 PM
We do need another LB, or a CB who can cover same.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 11:15:44 PM
Probably means we won't be playing that formation then ;) We've not signed the captain of Ajax as a benchwarmer.

Did you miss where I said for he opening six fixtures?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2017, 11:16:49 PM
Did you miss where I said for he opening six fixtures?

Yes
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2017, 11:34:31 PM
Might even be worth going three at the back?

Pickford
Keane Jagielka Williams
Kenny Gana Schneiderlin Baines
Winger Striker Winger

Negative approach but at least there's some experience at the back that way and Kenny/Holgate will be less exposed.

Wouldn't be blown away if this was the case.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 16, 2017, 11:35:11 PM
Would hope to get Sigurdsson and a striker in next week, any other business can wait
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 16, 2017, 11:48:11 PM
We're an early injury to Baines or Keane away from being completely fucked without further additions.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 16, 2017, 11:53:22 PM
If we opened with 3 at the back, Holgate would definitely play the right-center position.  It's his highest and best use on the pitch. 
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2017, 01:23:31 AM
If we opened with 3 at the back, Holgate would definitely play the right-center position.  It's his highest and best use on the pitch. 

Except that there's 3 centre backs ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 17, 2017, 01:24:47 AM
Seems to be rumours floating round of some kind of announcement at 8pm.

Probably turn out to be nothing.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 17, 2017, 01:30:03 AM
Seems to be rumours floating round of some kind of announcement at 8pm.

Probably turn out to be nothing.

Oooo, I'm excited 😃
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 17, 2017, 01:30:30 AM
Seems to be rumours floating round of some kind of announcement at 8pm.

Probably turn out to be nothing.

No, its just a wind up merchant on twitter saying it. Dont get why people fall for it!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 17, 2017, 01:31:14 AM
Seems to be rumours floating round of some kind of announcement at 8pm.

Probably turn out to be nothing.

New Dr Who being a woman was a prank?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2017, 01:39:06 AM
Seems to be rumours floating round of some kind of announcement at 8pm.

Probably turn out to be nothing.

Don't think I've ever seen one of these be true
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 17, 2017, 01:40:14 AM
Don't think I've ever seen one of these be true

I know I was thinking that myself.
Alan Myers loves getting embroiled in it all lately.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 17, 2017, 01:45:27 AM
No, its just a wind up merchant on twitter saying it. Dont get why people fall for it!

Every. Single. Window.
Without fail.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: toffee_scot on July 17, 2017, 02:40:05 AM
I think our defence looks very poor tbh.

Are we expecting Baines to play every game here?

Williams hasn't convinced

Jags is close to the end

And the young lads can't really be trusted.

Lot of work needs to be done there

I think Koeman was hoping to bring in another defender who could play in both a central defence and in a full back role. Cuco Martina is supposed to come in as cover for Coleman.

Otherwise yeah, one injury to any of our back four or Pickford and we are already looking a lot more vulnerable.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 02:20:56 PM
I imagine the injuries to Mori and Barkley are more than a little frustrating when you factor in both aren't good enough for Koeman and that's c£50m worth of transfer fees that could be in the kitty to further strengthen the squad. If you add McCarthy to that it seems bonkers there could have been another £75m available to bring players in and still more or less breaking even on spend.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2017, 02:25:40 PM
We deffo need another centre back now, so you would think we will get at least 3 more players in, before the window shuts.

Centre half
Midfielder
Striker
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: bigmanbob on July 20, 2017, 02:37:03 PM
I was told yesterday we have spent more on our under 23 squad than 8 other premiership sides have on their first team
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 02:38:24 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see us use the loan market again and I've got no issues if we did. We're not going to complete a full squad overhaul in one summer, although we've had a good go. A centre half on loan as cover would work until we buy in a top drawer player to partner Keane.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2017, 03:17:44 PM
Manolas is available isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2017, 03:24:33 PM
Manolas is available isn't he?

Juve in talks I think to replace Bonucci. I think Lemos could be the next VDD, apart from looking like him. Stylish Centre half, to go alongside the steely Keane.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 20, 2017, 03:33:27 PM
Id still like us to bring in one more center back regardless of injuries.

Lemos would by my shout but who knows.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 03:40:27 PM
Can't help thinking this Lemos bloke is starting to become the new Sandro. An internet legend before anyone has even seen him play for than a few games.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
Can't help thinking this Lemos bloke is starting to become the new Sandro. An internet legend before anyone has even seen him play for than a few games.

Sandro scored 16 goals in an average Malaga side, some at Barce felt he shouldn't have been released and Atletico Madrid wanted him, who know how to find a striker.

Lemos turned down Barce for first team football, it seems. Also, any player we have not heard of that Walsh wants, we should probably be a little bit excited about.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 04:02:13 PM
Sandro scored 16 goals in an average Malaga side, some at Barce felt he shouldn't have been released and Atletico Madrid wanted him, who know how to find a striker.

Lemos turned down Barce for first team football, it seems. Also, any player we have not heard of that Walsh wants, we should probably be a little bit excited about.



I'm not denying on paper these boys sound decent but the way people talk about them it's as if they were La Liga experts who follow it closely and never miss a game. When in reality everyone reads the same internet sites and newspapers and catch the occasional game on a Sunday night on Sky because there's nothing else on and we can't be arsed getting off the sofa as we're knackered from a few ales the previous two nights.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2017, 04:12:08 PM
I'm not denying on paper these boys sound decent but the way people talk about them it's as if they were La Liga experts who follow it closely and never miss a game. When in reality everyone reads the same internet sites and newspapers and catch the occasional game on a Sunday night on Sky because there's nothing else on and we can't be arsed getting off the sofa as we're knackered from a few ales the previous two nights.

Haha. True.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Robioto on July 20, 2017, 04:24:23 PM
Centre Back
Tricky Winger
Out and out striker
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2017, 06:42:08 PM
Centre Back
Tricky Winger
Out and out striker
Deffo 2 attacking players and a CB/LB cover.

We need these players ASAP if we want to do bette than 7th.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 20, 2017, 06:43:43 PM
I'm not denying on paper these boys sound decent but the way people talk about them it's as if they were La Liga experts who follow it closely and never miss a game. When in reality everyone reads the same internet sites and newspapers and catch the occasional game on a Sunday night on Sky because there's nothing else on and we can't be arsed getting off the sofa as we're knackered from a few ales the previous two nights.

Don't know where you're getting this from tbh.

No one on here has tried to pretend to be an expert on Sandro.

But you can't help be excited about him.

Title: Summer Spending
Post by: stirlingblue on July 20, 2017, 06:45:59 PM
People keep mentioning a backup centre back. Who do we think will start alongside Keane?

I think we need a starting CB more than we need a winger TBH.

Edit: To clarify I'd sooner have Mirallas/Lookman on the wing than I would Williams/Jags as starting CB
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: bigmanbob on July 20, 2017, 06:51:49 PM
With no Coleman in the back line for the foreseeable future there's not a lot of  pace in defence which is a bit worrying
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2017, 06:55:48 PM
With no Coleman in the back line for the foreseeable future there's not a lot of  pace in defence which is a bit worrying
Is Martina quick? Looks an athlete.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 07:03:20 PM
Don't know where you're getting this from tbh.

No one on here has tried to pretend to be an expert on Sandro.

But you can't help be excited about him.



116 pages on a thread for a guy hardly anyone had really heard of 3 months ago but when it looked like he might not be signing heads were falling off all over the place. Granted now we all know a bit more about him we're right to look forward to seeing what he can do but the level of hysteria over him was disproportionate to what anyone actually knew about him or what he could bring.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 20, 2017, 07:24:22 PM
116 pages on a thread for a guy hardly anyone had really heard of 3 months ago but when it looked like he might not be signing heads were falling off all over the place. Granted now we all know a bit more about him we're right to look forward to seeing what he can do but the level of hysteria over him was disproportionate to what anyone actually knew about him or what he could bring.

Because thats what is exciting about football....we have never had money to spend and so this is all relatively new to us as fans. A player that Atletico wanted, might be coming to us? Fuck yes heads will fall off and hysteria levels will increase when the ups and downs of a transfer unfurl. Its exciting and new and yes perhaps over the top but dont look down on anyone showing contrasting emotions.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2017, 07:37:06 PM
Because thats what is exciting about football....we have never had money to spend and so this is all relatively new to us as fans. A player that Atletico wanted, might be coming to us? Fuck yes heads will fall off and hysteria levels will increase when the ups and downs of a transfer unfurl. Its exciting and new and yes perhaps over the top but dont look down on anyone showing contrasting emotions.

Was a genuine transfer saga. Cheap price, wanted by real and atletico, played for Barca. Lots of twists and turns. Bound to be lots of interest. There were plots and sub plots. Like you say exciting
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 20, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
People keep mentioning a backup centre back. Who do we think will start alongside Keane?

I think we need a starting CB more than we need a winger TBH.

Edit: To clarify I'd sooner have Mirallas/Lookman on the wing than I would Williams/Jags as starting CB

I mean, I agree with you 100% in theory, but I have accepted that Koeman rates Williams even if I don't.  Made peace with it and moved on.  Perhaps he will be fine next to a real #1 CB like Keane, who looks like a total badass so far.

Agree that we could end up seeing lots more of Ademola Lookman than even I had expected to see this season.  And I had expected quite a bit.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2017, 09:13:25 PM
We are desperate for a winger. Without 1 we are relying on bolasie coming back quickly and at 100% and lookman being ready. Neither is certain
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 09:52:13 PM
We are desperate for a winger. Without 1 we are relying on bolasie coming back quickly and at 100% and lookman being ready. Neither is certain

Not sure we need one as desperately as a centre forward.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2017, 10:32:05 PM
Not sure we need one as desperately as a centre forward.

No probably not. I was comparing it to another centre half. Forward winger centre back. Was quite impressed with the young left back last night. Wouldn't be too worried if he was Baines cover

Not Sigurdsson's biggest fan but I'm not sure we need another attacking midfielder anyway. Least not anywhere near the top of our list
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 20, 2017, 11:52:26 PM
Bit gutted Hernandez is off to West Ham ...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: ally2 on July 21, 2017, 12:40:14 AM
Hernandez is a poacher who does nothing else. Can't remotely see how he would fit in here plus his best days are behind him. Plus he'd be off playing for Mexico all the time.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Cozzie on July 21, 2017, 01:21:57 AM
Bit gutted Hernandez is off to West Ham ...

You shouldn't be gutted about anything West Ham ever do Lizz, they will always be fucking shite.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on July 21, 2017, 01:24:29 AM
If we'd wanted Hernandez I dare say we would have got him .
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: plumber on July 21, 2017, 01:56:45 AM
No probably not. I was comparing it to another centre half. Forward winger centre back. Was quite impressed with the young left back last night. Wouldn't be too worried if he was Baines cover


Fair play to Connolly, he was decent against dubious oposition, especially considering he is a right back. But I'll shit bricks if he is the only Baines cover.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2017, 02:00:26 AM

Fair play to Connolly, he was decent against dubious oposition, especially considering he is a right back. But I'll shit bricks if he is the only Baines cover.


Is he normally a right back? Didn't realise. Probably not the wisest to go without cover then

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 21, 2017, 02:38:33 AM
Not sure we need one as desperately as a centre forward.

Is this the absolute last chnce anyone will ever have again of bringing up the carefully compiled stats of how many Mirallas scored in Greece as a striker?

If so, it's really time to throw them away after this.


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Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2017, 03:45:22 AM
Can't help thinking this Lemos bloke is starting to become the new Sandro. An internet legend before anyone has even seen him play for than a few games.
I'm not denying on paper these boys sound decent but the way people talk about them it's as if they were La Liga experts who follow it closely and never miss a game. When in reality everyone reads the same internet sites and newspapers and catch the occasional game on a Sunday night on Sky because there's nothing else on and we can't be arsed getting off the sofa as we're knackered from a few ales the previous two nights.

It's the unknown. Could Sandro be the next Suarez? We know what we are getting with Sigurdsson. Could Vieria be the new Payet?

There is something exciting about picking up highly rated players from abroad, especially if they are from countries with rich footballing traditions.

Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina.

It also helps us get through the summer.

As much as I don't want to use them as an example, Liverpool buying Suarez and Coutinho show what can be done with these types of signings and  why they generate so much excitement.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 21, 2017, 04:06:12 AM
It's the unknown. Could Sandro be the next Suarez? We know what we are getting with Sigurdsson. Could Vieria be the new Payet?

There is something exciting about picking up highly rated players from abroad, especially if they are from countries with rich footballing traditions.

Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina.

It also helps us get through the summer.

As much as I don't want to use them as an example, Liverpool buying Suarez and Coutinho show what can be done with these types of signings and  why they generate so much excitement.

You'd rather have someone who might be good than someone who's already proven they are good?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2017, 04:16:26 AM
You'd rather have someone who might be good than someone who's already proven they are good?

Someone who might be great rather than someone who's proven he's only good
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 21, 2017, 04:20:19 AM
Can't help thinking this Lemos bloke is starting to become the new Sandro. An internet legend before anyone has even seen him play for than a few games.

Said the same weeks back.

Amazing how many people watched Las Palmas regularly last year isn't it!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 21, 2017, 04:24:06 AM
Someone who might be great rather than someone who's proven he's only good

Someone who might be great rather than someone who's proven he's only good

Or might be Jo.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 21, 2017, 04:25:52 AM
You don't have to watch a player week in week out to be excited at the prospect of them coming in.

And again, I don't see anyone saying they've watched much of this lemos fella.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 21, 2017, 04:27:14 AM
You don't have to watch a player week in week out to be excited at the prospect of them coming in.

And again, I don't see anyone saying they've watched much of this lemos fella.


I watched them once against Barca, but he was shit so i've kept quiet about it!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 21, 2017, 04:31:41 AM
When life links you to Lemos drink lemonsade.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 21, 2017, 05:06:00 AM
You don't have to watch a player week in week out to be excited at the prospect of them coming in.

And again, I don't see anyone saying they've watched much of this lemos fella.

How can someone recommend signing someone they've never watched?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2017, 05:18:12 AM
Said the same weeks back.

Amazing how many people watched Las Palmas regularly last year isn't it!

I watched them a few times, that Roque Mesa is quality.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: bluenuck on July 21, 2017, 05:58:13 AM
How can someone recommend signing someone they've never watched?

read what he said again.

He said "excited at the prospect of them coming in".

I've never seen Sandro play but I'd say I'm excited to see what he can do and that he only cost 6 mil.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2017, 11:52:31 AM
You'd rather have someone who might be good than someone who's already proven they are good?
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You'd rather have someone who might be good than someone who's already proven they are good?

What do you think?

If I had a choice between Sigurdsson who I know his proven at this level but is 50 million, yet his level is at a certain limit .i.e, not 50 million - I would rather two players at 25 million, when extensive scouting predict those limits may exceed a Sigurdsson.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2017, 12:08:25 PM
Said the same weeks back.

Amazing how many people watched Las Palmas regularly last year isn't it!

No, I think it's more down to the faith we have in Steve Walsh and if he picks out a player he likes, that will be down to some extensive research, knowledge and scouting.

Having a Director of football is a new thing for Everton and the idea is, we find a Marhez, Kante, Payet, Coutinho, Suarez, Eriksen, Mane.

That will take us to the next level and that's what exciting.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 21, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
No, I think it's more down to the faith we have in Steve Walsh and if he picks out a player he likes, that will be down to some extensive research, knowledge and scouting.

Having a Director of football is a new thing for Everton and the idea is, we find a Marhez, Kante, Payet, Coutinho, Suarez, Eriksen, Mane.

That will take us to the next level and that's what exciting.

But at the current equivalent price Suarez woyld have cost £50m from Ajax, and we've taken low cost speculative gambles on Gueye, Lookman, Sandro and Henry, and paid an equivalent price for Eriksen as Spurs did for Klaassen. 

You cant build a whole team on gambles.  There's positions you need to fill with players who do specific jobs to suit the system, and theyre that important you need to pay the price and not gamble.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
No, I think it's more down to the faith we have in Steve Walsh and if he picks out a player he likes, that will be down to some extensive research, knowledge and scouting.

Having a Director of football is a new thing for Everton and the idea is, we find a Marhez, Kante, Payet, Coutinho, Suarez, Eriksen, Mane.

That will take us to the next level and that's what exciting.

Yes it's one things having faith in Walsh etc and getting excited.

I think @Goaljira (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4051) is saying that some points are put across where people throw out the odd name and go "much rather sign x for half the amount of y". It's an implied criticism of who we might be targeting as though "certainty" doesn't carry a premium.

This type of phrase or thought is just throw away stuff with no thought to the pressures someone making the decisions (signings or tactical) has.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 21, 2017, 02:32:19 PM
How can someone recommend signing someone they've never watched?

I've watched Lemos loads.

Admittedly it is the same 4min YouTube highlights clip but I've watched it a dozen times so get to fuck!   
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Toddacelli on July 21, 2017, 02:36:29 PM
But at the current equivalent price Suarez woyld have cost £50m from Ajax, and we've taken low cost speculative gambles on Gueye, Lookman, Sandro and Henry, and paid an equivalent price for Eriksen as Spurs did for Klaassen. 

You cant build a whole team on gambles.  There's positions you need to fill with players who do specific jobs to suit the system, and theyre that important you need to pay the price and not gamble.

I think a lot of the ones we're not gambling on are the players already at the club. We know them, we know what they do and we already have them in situ.

With targets like Giroud still on the radar, I would expect us to get at least one more player in that we would describe as a senior, experienced first-teamer.

He's not going to be cheap, but that is not as big an issue as convincing him that Everton should be his next home.

I'm just excited every day by every link at the moment because - who the fuck knows this year eh?

Happy days  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: di_guyo on July 21, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
I'd def be in for Hernandez at 16m.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Macca77 on July 21, 2017, 03:37:41 PM
Id expect us to step up our search for a striker when we get back from Genk
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 21, 2017, 03:42:21 PM
I think we're now into standard Everton mode.

What we have done is the new regime way of thinking "lets just smash the really important stuff first".
Now we're into the normal, Everton "let's see what comes up for a reasonable price" mode. We have places to fill but "will go with what we have" or wait for an injury to come back so it can be "like a new signing".

The only abberation for that, to me, is Lukaku. It wasn't a certainty he would leave when we ligned up Pickford/Keane/Klaassen, Sandro & Rooney and if he is in our team now? Well, we're all much more optimistic aren't we.

So a replacement for him is the only outlier to my theory and we get to see whether the new regime is good at reacting to stuff as well as they proved they can plan for stuff this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2017, 04:50:29 PM
But at the current equivalent price Suarez woyld have cost £50m from Ajax, and we've taken low cost speculative gambles on Gueye, Lookman, Sandro and Henry, and paid an equivalent price for Eriksen as Spurs did for Klaassen. 

You cant build a whole team on gambles.  There's positions you need to fill with players who do specific jobs to suit the system, and theyre that important you need to pay the price and not gamble.

Where did I say I wanted to build a team on gambles?

 I'm talking about 50 million Sigurdsson. I would rather spend on two 25 million players in Europe, as I believe there are players out there
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 04:55:51 PM
I can see Giroud staying at Arsenal myself. Lacazette will probably replace Sanchez if he goes so I still see a role for him there. Wenger would be a fool to sanction a move to another Premier League team in the top 7. My money is on abroad or he stays. Which leaves us with a dilemma in who to bring in up top that can hit the ground running?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 21, 2017, 05:00:59 PM
Yes it's one things having faith in Walsh etc and getting excited.

I think @Goaljira (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4051) is saying that some points are put across where people throw out the odd name and go "much rather sign x for half the amount of y". It's an implied criticism of who we might be targeting as though "certainty" doesn't carry a premium.

This type of phrase or thought is just throw away stuff with no thought to the pressures someone making the decisions (signings or tactical) has.

Yeah, I get that. I just see our current side with two ok attacking midfielders in Rooney and Klaassen, who might be very good. So to add a good one more for 50 million seems excessive. Maybe Everton do too, hence we have heard no further.

There is a premium to premier league players but that is not the same in Seria A, La Liga, The Bundesliga etc.



Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2017, 06:48:07 PM
Yeah, I get that. I just see our current side with two ok attacking midfielders in Rooney and Klaassen, who might be very good. So to add a good one more for 50 million seems excessive. Maybe Everton do too, hence we have heard no further.

There is a premium to premier league players but that is not the same in Seria A, La Liga, The Bundesliga etc.





Yes got no problem if the club identity players from anywhere that think they will do the job.

It's more I think if people quote random names (and guessed at prices) and moan that we're not doing x y or z.

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 06:54:48 PM
Too many people on these boards have played Football Manager for too long.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2017, 07:02:12 PM
Too many people on these boards have played Football Manager for too long.

It might not help.

But I think it's the same as questions re tactics / selection etc.

When judging a manager's decision you have to take into account that they are responsible for what plays out.

We can all say throw another striker on etc when it's 1-1 but no one will ever pull us up on it if the opposition take advantage of the extra space at the other end.

You have to factor in this pressure when looking at why decisions are made.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 07:03:56 PM
It might not help.

But I think it's the same as questions re tactics / selection etc.

When judging a manager's decision you have to take into account that they are responsible for what plays out.

We can all say throw another striker on etc when it's 1-1 but no one will ever pull us up on it if the opposition take advantage of the extra space at the other end.

You have to factor in this pressure when looking at why decisions are made.

We had a three year graphic illustration of such scenarios under Roberto Martinez.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2017, 07:09:56 PM
The extension of the guaranteed good £50m vs gamble on higher potential £25 x 2 is that of course it's not 50:50 that if one of the gambles fail, the other is bound to succeed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2017, 07:50:33 PM
If our summer spending ends here I will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2017, 07:56:31 PM
The extension of the guaranteed good £50m vs gamble on higher potential £25 x 2 is that of course it's not 50:50 that if one of the gambles fail, the other is bound to succeed.

I don't think it's so much the gambles people want more they rate the 50m player at 25-30m. They think the safe bet is a certain big loss in terms of value
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheRam on July 21, 2017, 10:11:34 PM
Too many people on these boards have played Football Manager for too long.

Or have been taking an interest in football beyond these shores?

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: mikey_blue on July 21, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
There's been some proper grim names banded about today.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: sam of the south on July 21, 2017, 10:59:25 PM
There's been some proper grim names banded about today.

Blimey yeah, I've read Grosicki and Sissoko.

Grosicki didn't look too bad in the Euro's I suppose, but Sissoko is 'vile shite'
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2017, 11:12:03 PM
If our summer spending ends here I will be disappointed.

Just think that the ones we've done so far were less complicated.

Pickford / Klaassen / Keane we offered good fees to willing sellers.

Sandro release clause therefore only the player to convince

Rooney only wanted to come here / Utd happy to leave.

Finding a good enough striker who a club is happy to sell and is willing to come won't be easy (e.g. If Giroud has an option of Arsenal / Marseille / us it's obviously in the balance).

Similarly if you're after players who the selling club really don't want to lose then you're faced with either a massive fee or a dragged out chase.

We're better off now taking our time and getting the right players for the position and costs in these areas rather than rush into decisions that are more costly in the long run.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2017, 11:19:02 PM
Matuidi linked 🤔
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: TheTone on July 21, 2017, 11:37:37 PM
Calling it now,we'll end up splashing out 100m on Benteke and that Icelandic bloke that plays for Swansea
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: arteta4spain on July 21, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
VVD has asked can he train on his own and wants a move.  Probably to the shite like but you never know!
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Grand Master C on July 21, 2017, 11:46:49 PM
Said the same weeks back.

Amazing how many people watched Las Palmas regularly last year isn't it!

To be fair I didn't see them as much last season, but I lived there for 3 years before and had a season ticket.

Lemos is a fantastic player, a proper ball playing center back, but I don't know how well he would cope with the English game. He will be playing for a top team in Europe soon though.
Roque Mesa is a local boy done good. For a Spanish player he has a bit of physicality about him and should do well at Swansea. I don't think he will set the world alight, but he should do alright.
Viera is another local lad, but the fans relationship is a little more complex with him. He is arrogant, likes to flash the cash around in the local clubs and is often near any trouble with the club, but on his day he can back up every inch of that giant ego. I have seen him control the game against Barca, have a point to prove against Valencia, but then be no where to be seen for weeks or being used as a sub because of some fitness/ attitude issue. In other words; he is your classic flair player. If we could guarantee a motivated Viera, we would be getting cracking player. If he decides he doesn't like the North West/ doesn't feel loved enough/ doesn't enjoy a public dressing down from his manager after a shit performance, we will have a player who is constantly "injured", approaching 30 and helping keep the local night life afloat.

Lemos is the player we want from UDLP, by a long shot.

Pio Pio
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 21, 2017, 11:59:03 PM
To be fair I didn't see them as much last season, but I lived there for 3 years before and had a season ticket.

Lemos is a fantastic player, a proper ball playing center back, but I don't know how well he would cope with the English game. He will be playing for a top team in Europe soon though.
Roque Mesa is a local boy done good. For a Spanish player he has a bit of physicality about him and should do well at Swansea. I don't think he will set the world alight, but he should do alright.
Viera is another local lad, but the fans relationship is a little more complex with him. He is arrogant, likes to flash the cash around in the local clubs and is often near any trouble with the club, but on his day he can back up every inch of that giant ego. I have seen him control the game against Barca, have a point to prove against Valencia, but then be no where to be seen for weeks or being used as a sub because of some fitness/ attitude issue. In other words; he is your classic flair player. If we could guarantee a motivated Viera, we would be getting cracking player. If he decides he doesn't like the North West/ doesn't feel loved enough/ doesn't enjoy a public dressing down from his manager after a shit performance, we will have a player who is constantly "injured", approaching 30 and helping keep the local night life afloat.

Lemos is the player we want from UDLP, by a long shot.

Pio Pio

Now that's what I call an NSNO scouting
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: hill135 on July 22, 2017, 12:03:42 AM
Matuidi linked 🤔

Brilliant player
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2017, 01:06:05 AM
Just think that the ones we've done so far were less complicated.

Pickford / Klaassen / Keane we offered good fees to willing sellers.

Sandro release clause therefore only the player to convince

Rooney only wanted to come here / Utd happy to leave.

Finding a good enough striker who a club is happy to sell and is willing to come won't be easy (e.g. If Giroud has an option of Arsenal / Marseille / us it's obviously in the balance).

Similarly if you're after players who the selling club really don't want to lose then you're faced with either a massive fee or a dragged out chase.

We're better off now taking our time and getting the right players for the position and costs in these areas rather than rush into decisions that are more costly in the long run.

Sensible and I like your logic, but you're more confident than me.

The next two or three moves we make in the market (in or out) define the window for me, and will probably define the season and shade how I see the project.

Is it really a new dawn or is it a re-run? Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 22, 2017, 03:33:16 AM
Too many people on these boards have played Football Manager for too long.

Like?

Have you seen that Morata went to Chelsea for 60 million?  Elite striker aged 24.

Sigurdsson is not an elite player and won't play for the top clubs Morata has or will go on to.

This is not abut Football Manager. If we spend 50 million on one player, he will be our Marquee signing, while also considering FFP.

Sigurdsson should not be a marquee signing for the new Everton.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Juanito on July 22, 2017, 03:36:00 AM
To be fair I didn't see them as much last season, but I lived there for 3 years before and had a season ticket.

Lemos is a fantastic player, a proper ball playing center back, but I don't know how well he would cope with the English game. He will be playing for a top team in Europe soon though.
Roque Mesa is a local boy done good. For a Spanish player he has a bit of physicality about him and should do well at Swansea. I don't think he will set the world alight, but he should do alright.
Viera is another local lad, but the fans relationship is a little more complex with him. He is arrogant, likes to flash the cash around in the local clubs and is often near any trouble with the club, but on his day he can back up every inch of that giant ego. I have seen him control the game against Barca, have a point to prove against Valencia, but then be no where to be seen for weeks or being used as a sub because of some fitness/ attitude issue. In other words; he is your classic flair player. If we could guarantee a motivated Viera, we would be getting cracking player. If he decides he doesn't like the North West/ doesn't feel loved enough/ doesn't enjoy a public dressing down from his manager after a shit performance, we will have a player who is constantly "injured", approaching 30 and helping keep the local night life afloat.

Lemos is the player we want from UDLP, by a long shot.

Pio Pio

Now this is why we get excited about linked with players from abroad who do not play in the premiership.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 22, 2017, 02:00:31 PM
To be fair I didn't see them as much last season, but I lived there for 3 years before and had a season ticket.

Lemos is a fantastic player, a proper ball playing center back, but I don't know how well he would cope with the English game. He will be playing for a top team in Europe soon though.
Roque Mesa is a local boy done good. For a Spanish player he has a bit of physicality about him and should do well at Swansea. I don't think he will set the world alight, but he should do alright.
Viera is another local lad, but the fans relationship is a little more complex with him. He is arrogant, likes to flash the cash around in the local clubs and is often near any trouble with the club, but on his day he can back up every inch of that giant ego. I have seen him control the game against Barca, have a point to prove against Valencia, but then be no where to be seen for weeks or being used as a sub because of some fitness/ attitude issue. In other words; he is your classic flair player. If we could guarantee a motivated Viera, we would be getting cracking player. If he decides he doesn't like the North West/ doesn't feel loved enough/ doesn't enjoy a public dressing down from his manager after a shit performance, we will have a player who is constantly "injured", approaching 30 and helping keep the local night life afloat.

Lemos is the player we want from UDLP, by a long shot.

Pio Pio
...which is why I'd rather pay double for Sigurdsson - who would settle immediately and give you a 7/8/9 out of 10 every week. Oh, and isn't a massive egotistical prick.
Title: Are you happy with what we've done this summer?
Post by: Realist on July 23, 2017, 02:31:59 AM
We've not really spent anything due to the Lukaku deal, we've sold our goals and not replaced them
I can't help but feel disappointed seeing Chicharito going to West Ham.

If we're as rich as people think we should be snapping deals like this up.
 
Overall I think we've added some alright players but I'm not that confident of us improving on last seasons finish which should obviously be the aim

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Are you happy with what we've done this summer?
Post by: Tinga on July 23, 2017, 02:35:55 AM
I'd have taken Chicharito as well.
Title: Re: Are you happy with what we've done this summer?
Post by: everton1952 on July 23, 2017, 02:37:54 AM
Agree with you that we have sold our goals but disagree that we are not making progress. We could make 5th or 6th which would be very acceptable. As for not snapping up Chicarito, you must be joking. West Ham are welcome to him. We need to aim higher than him.
Title: Re: Are you happy with what we've done this summer?
Post by: Silas on July 23, 2017, 02:39:34 AM
So far? Fucking ecstatic. We've brought in players with quality and/or significant promise and strengthened in significant areas that have been lacking for depth. We've got great money for a player and dealt with a difficult situation quickly and we've offloaded a few hangers on. With 6 weeks left of the window it couldn't be much better at this point. If Barkley signs a contract and we sign two or three more players to push the first team this will be the greatest window in our Premier League history.

Hell if it ended tomorrow it already is.
Title: Re: Are you happy with what we've done this summer?
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 23, 2017, 02:40:08 AM
::)
Title: Re: Are you happy with what we've done this summer?
Post by: Realist on July 23, 2017, 02:47:09 AM
Agree with you that we have sold our goals but disagree that we are not making progress. We could make 5th or 6th which would be very acceptable. As for not snapping up Chicarito, you must be joking. West Ham are welcome to him. We need to aim higher than him.
I think you must be joking mate - he scored 28 goals last season therefore he's more prolific than any other striker at the club
I'm curious who you'd go for?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 23, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
I like Hernandez but he's not right for us right now.

Koeman wants a target man and while we've got no discernible pace or real guile in the team it's the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Realist on July 23, 2017, 02:51:33 AM
I like Hernandez but he's not right for us right now.

Koeman wants a target man and while we've got no discernible pace or real guile in the team it's the obvious choice.

What's the obvious choice? A target man? Why?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Silas on July 23, 2017, 02:53:56 AM
What's the obvious choice? A target man? Why?

Because we have Sandro and Rooney already, we need different options and a target man would be totally different from what we have right now or for the last few years
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Realist on July 23, 2017, 02:56:58 AM
Because we have Sandro and Rooney already, we need different options and a target man would be totally different from what we have right now or for the last few years

Fair enough, I think we've missed out on Hernandez
I'd also love to see Benteke join, I've always thought he's a class act but I'm not sure what price  Palace would let him go for.
We should go all out and pay what they want provided it's not a stupid amount
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Silas on July 23, 2017, 02:58:18 AM
Fair enough, I think we've missed out on Hernandez
I'd also love to see Benteke join, I've always thought he's a class act but I'm not sure what price  Palace would let him go for.
We should go all out and pay what they want

Totally unconvinced by Benteke, he's erratic as fuck but there are worse players
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: fubarruk on July 23, 2017, 02:59:04 AM
Think we're a striker away from having a perfect window.

We were always going to lose Lukaku, but we've signed some real quality. Invested heavily in the future with beyond this season in mind (which nobody else seems to be doing) and gone about it in a flawless manner.

A recognised striker now to lead the line and we're far stronger than we finished last season. Because we've added goals in other areas, the pressure to find a 20+ goals striker is off, a proper target man who can weigh in with double figures and we're in good shape.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Ross on July 23, 2017, 03:01:58 AM
What's the obvious choice? A target man? Why?

Because having a big fella up top is his MO and that's all we're being linked to since Lukaku left?

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 23, 2017, 03:10:13 AM
We have knowns and unknowns some of the knowns we don't fully know,
some of the unknowns are known to us but we don't know much about them yet,
1 unknown we used to know really well but we don't know anymore and we'll have
to wait a bit and see, but the futures so bright i gotta wear shades...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2017, 03:20:31 AM
It's a sound argument though. We've just lost a player who scored 25 goals last season so if we buy someone who scored 28 goals last season we're in credit. Job done. Piece of piss this management lark.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Realist on July 23, 2017, 03:27:10 AM
It's a sound argument though. We've just lost a player who scored 25 goals last season so if we buy someone who scored 28 goals last season we're in credit. Job done. Piece of piss this management lark.

No one tallied up their goals and quoted the difference
I merely stated we could've bought a prolific striker on the cheap
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Goaljira on July 23, 2017, 03:46:33 AM
We have knowns and unknowns some of the knowns we don't fully know,
some of the unknowns are known to us but we don't know much about them yet,
1 unknown we used to know really well but we don't know anymore and we'll have
to wait a bit and see, but the futures so bright i gotta wear shades...

Okay Donald.

(https://cdn.poststatus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/rumsfeld-unknown-unknowns-752x284.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Bluedylan on July 23, 2017, 03:50:04 AM
I think the second wave of recruitment is the big one that will determine how good the window has been.

We got all that early business done by identifying players, paying the necessary fees and getting them in.

Now we appear to be going for slightly more rarified targets that require complex negotiation and a degree of brinksmanship. If we can get those players over the line, it will obviously be a hugely successful window. If we end up getting Sissokho on loan, questions will rightly be asked.
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 23, 2017, 03:50:42 AM
Okay Donald.

(https://cdn.poststatus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/rumsfeld-unknown-unknowns-752x284.jpg)


i know Sherlock but it fits, and after 8 stellars and half bottle of Kracken
it was taxing...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 23, 2017, 03:53:47 AM
We have knowns and unknowns some of the knowns we don't fully know,
some of the unknowns are known to us but we don't know much about them yet,
1 unknown we used to know really well but we don't know anymore and we'll have
to wait a bit and see, but the futures so bright i gotta wear shades...

Why do you not write in complete lines??
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Brownie on July 23, 2017, 03:55:54 AM
Saw a stat earlier about West Ham. Apparently they have signed 32 strikers since 2010 and of those strikers only four are into double figures for the club and 11 of them left West Ham without scoring a goal. Hernandez is going to fit right in there
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 23, 2017, 03:58:59 AM
Why do you not write in complete lines??
When i should have been at school i had a paint brush in me hand, i can't
write properly but me emullsioning is pucker as owt...
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 23, 2017, 03:59:30 AM
When i should have been at school i had a paint brush in me hand, i can't
write properly but me emullsioning is pucker as owt...

I mean, do you press 'enter' half way through the sentence?
Title: Re: Summer Spending
Post by: Alanvideo on July 23, 2017, 04:02:03 AM