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Man of the Match

Howard
1 (1.3%)
Coleman
0 (0%)
Stones
0 (0%)
Jagielka
8 (10.1%)
Galloway
0 (0%)
McCarthy
0 (0%)
Barry
0 (0%)
Cleverley
0 (0%)
Kone
4 (5.1%)
Barkley
21 (26.6%)
Lukaku
45 (57%)
Naismith (Sub)
0 (0%)
Deulofeu (Sub)
0 (0%)
Browning (Sub)
0 (0%)

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August 16, 2015, 02:38:03 PM
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They played his usual 4-2-3-1. I don't know why everybody is talking about us playing with two upfront when we actually played the normal tactis. Lukaku on top and Kone on the right wing with Cleverly at left and Barkley central.

Kone was immense today as he actually looked like beeing a striker but still was following Southamptons left back all the time. People may not have seen it too much but McCarthy was way more offensive doing runs all the time which created a lot of space for Barkley who was simply brilliant. In fact this was a genius tactic for this game.

I'd say it was more fluid than the standard 4-2-3-1.

We seemed to start off with a pure diamond and with two up front but then asked Kone to cover their full back going forward.

I think it turned into the sort of "melted" (Rodgers would love this) 4-3-3 that we saw away at Newcastle in 13/14 where basically Cleverley was asked to cover a lot of ground to allow Lukaku, Kone and Barkley to sort out between them who could stay higher up the pitch for counter attacks/cover their full backs.

Cleverley ended up on the right for much of the 2nd half for example.


August 16, 2015, 02:44:31 PM
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I'd say it was more fluid than the standard 4-2-3-1.

We seemed to start off with a pure diamond and with two up front but then asked Kone to cover their full back going forward.

I think it turned into the sort of "melted" (Rodgers would love this) 4-3-3 that we saw away at Newcastle in 13/14 where basically Cleverley was asked to cover a lot of ground to allow Lukaku, Kone and Barkley to sort out between them who could stay higher up the pitch for counter attacks/cover their full backs.

Cleverley ended up on the right for much of the 2nd half for example.



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August 16, 2015, 03:11:35 PM
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The trio of Barry McCarthy and cleverly worked their arses off to help give kone, Barkley and lukaku freedom. I can cope with that

The style of play seems to suit us so much

When you throw in mirallas and deulofeu on the bench we look very very (potentially) strong on the break

Back at goodison is gonna be the major issue, we have to find a way to play there too
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August 16, 2015, 03:44:03 PM
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The trio of Barry McCarthy and cleverly worked their arses off to help give kone, Barkley and lukaku freedom. I can cope with that

The style of play seems to suit us so much

When you throw in mirallas and deulofeu on the bench we look very very (potentially) strong on the break

Back at goodison is gonna be the major issue, we have to find a way to play there too


That's why we have to stretch the pitch.

There's always space somewhere.

And if it means crossing the ball more so be it.

Barkley and Cleverley are capable of putting it good balls from wide-ish positions as well as Coleman and Kone(!) from more conventional positions. Not to mention obviously the other players not in the team atm.

Utd have always been able to hit people on the break and they must have had teams sit back against them more than anyone else over the past 20 years.

It doesn't have to all be length of the field charges either.

It can just be direct play on the edge of the box like a fast one/two.

August 16, 2015, 03:51:44 PM
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That's why we have to stretch the pitch.

There's always space somewhere.

And if it means crossing the ball more so be it.

Barkley and Cleverley are capable of putting it good balls from wide-ish positions as well as Coleman and Kone(!) from more conventional positions. Not to mention obviously the other players not in the team atm.

Utd have always been able to hit people on the break and they must have had teams sit back against them more than anyone else over the past 20 years.

It doesn't have to all be length of the field charges either.

It can just be direct play on the edge of the box like a fast one/two.

Interesting you should say that. Just been speaking to a United mate, who said watching our first two goals on MOTD was like watching United under Fergie.

Stands to reason we should do what they did so well - learn to terrify teams coming to Goodison. A game plan is all well and good, but if the defenders are panicking.. ;D
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August 16, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
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Interesting you should say that. Just been speaking to a United mate, who said watching our first two goals on MOTD was like watching United under Fergie.

Stands to reason we should do what they did so well - learn to terrify teams coming to Goodison. A game plane is all well and good, but if the defenders are panicking.. ;D

Problem is when we're at home v a west brom or Sunderland who are going to park 10 men behind the ball at every opportunity. Counter attacking is great when it's on but the majority of the time we're going to have to rely on creativity in tight areas to create chances...which we don't seem to be able to do. Having Kone to support rom would help in this respect so I hope RM sticks with starting him but I can see us reverting back to a 'Watford' type setup as soon as we're playing someone shite at home.
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August 16, 2015, 04:23:24 PM
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Problem is when we're at home v a west brom or Sunderland who are going to park 10 men behind the ball at every opportunity. Counter attacking is great when it's on but the majority of the time we're going to have to rely on creativity in tight areas to create chances...which we don't seem to be able to do. Having Kone to support rom would help in this respect so I hope RM sticks with starting him but I can see us reverting back to a 'Watford' type setup as soon as we're playing someone shite at home.

But the second half against Watford shows what I mean. We can scare defences. We can attack with pace and power no matter how many they put behind the ball. It's the attitude that matters more than the formation. Roberto said as much post match, when he said the group didn't accept that the first half against Watford was right, and wanted to show from the start against Southampton the right attitude.

Of course it remains to be seen, but given our first defensive team at home is going to be Sunderland on 1st November, and with a bit of luck they will still be on the ropes, the team might have gotten so used to battering people by then that teams are coming with fear, and a quick beasting from Lukaku and Kone with Barkley free moving from slightly deeper should strike terror into the most disciplined defender. This is how top teams break down the bus, and we can do it too. Just as those endless games in the past where we would play the likes of United, or Chelsea, battle away determinedly, and then find ourselves with 15 minutes left and being hammered, with that sick certain feeling it was only a matter of time until.. oh fuck they scored. We almost came to believe it was inevitable - we need to get visitors believing the same.
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August 16, 2015, 04:31:04 PM
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August 16, 2015, 05:19:22 PM
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It does make such a difference! If we can keep our team fit and play with the same 'incredible intensity' as yesterday, we'll be a match for anyone and supporters feed off that.

I'm hoping this result wille us the belief we  been lacking for a while and I certainly think it's no coincidence that it came with playing Kone and Lukaku. We should definitely do this at Goodison from now on, never mind dominating possession, we need to be more incisive and two up front  would give defenders more to think about

August 16, 2015, 05:57:33 PM
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Right now we're in a good moment

August 16, 2015, 06:38:22 PM
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So much of yesterday's success was down to great attitude, intensity and work-rate.  Personnel, tactics and formation mean nothing if you haven't got these.

Just like in Martinez' first season, if you can ally the two then you have a great chance of making the best of the player's own abilities.

The player's have to take most of the responsibility for this and they cant go back to thinking they are superior to the opposition without proving it. You have to win the 'battle' before you can play.

August 16, 2015, 07:08:29 PM
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Apologies if mentioned earlier but where was Ovideo yesterday - was  he injured or just omitted from the squad ?
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