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March 31, 2017, 08:33:19 PM
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Good riddance

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March 31, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
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Is that what we are getting? 6 million? That's shocking. Yes he's an average premier league player but you don't get a championship player for that

What are you expecting us to get form someone like cleverley then?

He offered us absolutely nothing and was about 6th choice centre mid.

6mil and off the wage bill for someone like that is sound.

Getting rid of these types is all about getting them off the wage bill and freeing up a space in the squad. If Cleverley was still here we may not have seen the emergence of Davies for example.

He really isn't a very good player so wanting anything about 6mil for him is pretty optimistic.

March 31, 2017, 09:23:10 PM
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March 31, 2017, 09:55:12 PM
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We'll probably of got a loan fee to of with the 6 million.

March 31, 2017, 10:03:54 PM
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To put into context we paid 7.5m for Gueye. The rumoured 6m with maybe a loan fee means we've effectively swapped a non-entity for one of the best midfielders of his type in the league, as well as saving just under 10m in wages for the rest of his contract for a player who'll never play.

It's a great deal and one which needs repeating about another half a dozen times until we get the squad we need.

March 31, 2017, 11:47:24 PM
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if there was any serious interest in Cleverley, he'd have left on a permanent in January rather than on loan first.

good business and good luck to the lad.


April 01, 2017, 01:21:53 AM
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What are you expecting us to get form someone like cleverley then?

He offered us absolutely nothing and was about 6th choice centre mid.

6mil and off the wage bill for someone like that is sound.

Getting rid of these types is all about getting them off the wage bill and freeing up a space in the squad. If Cleverley was still here we may not have seen the emergence of Davies for example.

He really isn't a very good player so wanting anything about 6mil for him is pretty optimistic.

Didn't snodgrass go for 10 with only a year left on his contract. Didn't we just buy a 6th choice midfielder for 25m (of obviously different quality) didn't Ibe go for 15?

I didn't think you got a premier league player in this day for 6m. He's gone to Watford and apparently performed quite well. I can't imagine you'll find many warford fans who don't think they've got him cheap.
We didn't have use for him but nor did Liverpool have use for benteke or Utd for Morgan (I still can't spell his last name)
It just seems we made the buy part of the loan way too low. 14m is Valencias. Gives them room to negotiate. 6m for someone who's apparently performing quite well for a premier league club is a bargain. I'm not bothered as we had no use for him but that's extremely cheap in this market

April 01, 2017, 01:25:47 AM
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To put into context we paid 7.5m for Gueye. The rumoured 6m with maybe a loan fee means we've effectively swapped a non-entity for one of the best midfielders of his type in the league, as well as saving just under 10m in wages for the rest of his contract for a player who'll never play.

It's a great deal and one which needs repeating about another half a dozen times until we get the squad we need.

These examples really are a nonsense. Can make almost any deal look good by comparing it to the right 1.

Sign rooney he'll cost similar to Niasse. Every full back is a waste of money cos Coleman cost the square route of fuck all. You have to compare to the market not just cherry pick the best or worst deal to work your argument
Burnley signed a championship midfielder for 10m who's now in and out of their side. The market is ridiculous.

April 01, 2017, 01:34:36 AM
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April 01, 2017, 01:58:28 AM
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Never really get the plea for acceptance of ignorance, things are always more of a spectrum than black or white. But it's not that so difficult as to not be worth a go. The context is important and relevant, but we've sold Cleverley for about the same amount as we got Gueye for, both transfers this season, seems a fairly obvious and reasonable comparison to make.

Coleman was a snip at 60k because he was under contract, but Cleverley was out of contract and free. You have to take wages and other things into account, but Gueye is more valuable and a better buy than Cleverley was on a free.

April 01, 2017, 02:52:02 AM
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April 01, 2017, 03:21:47 AM
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Never really get the plea for acceptance of ignorance, things are always more of a spectrum than black or white. But it's not that so difficult as to not be worth a go. The context is important and relevant, but we've sold Cleverley for about the same amount as we got Gueye for, both transfers this season, seems a fairly obvious and reasonable comparison to make.

Coleman was a snip at 60k because he was under contract, but Cleverley was out of contract and free. You have to take wages and other things into account, but Gueye is more valuable and a better buy than Cleverley was on a free.

Not really. Well not unless you're suggesting villa got a fair price for gueye

April 01, 2017, 04:47:42 AM
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These examples really are a nonsense. Can make almost any deal look good by comparing it to the right 1.

Sign rooney he'll cost similar to Niasse. Every full back is a waste of money cos Coleman cost the square route of fuck all. You have to compare to the market not just cherry pick the best or worst deal to work your argument
Burnley signed a championship midfielder for 10m who's now in and out of their side. The market is ridiculous.

Of course the examples are relevant. We bought one midfielder for 7.2m in August and sold another midfielder in January for 6m. We've effectively swapped one for the other. Which part of that is so difficult to understand?

April 01, 2017, 05:01:10 AM
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Of course the examples are relevant. We bought one midfielder for 7.2m in August and sold another midfielder in January for 6m. We've effectively swapped one for the other. Which part of that is so difficult to understand?

Well we've improved for nothing but it says nowt to the value of either player

Liverpool swapped Torres for Carroll and 15m. Are we suggesting that says something to carrolls value?

Getting a fantastic deal on gueye doesn't negate losing money elsewhere

Keep seeing rooney will only cost what Valencia and Niasse do. Wasting money slightly worse than before isn't good business

April 01, 2017, 05:14:02 AM
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Well we've improved for nothing but it says nowt to the value of either player

Liverpool swapped Torres for Carroll and 15m. Are we suggesting that says something to carrolls value?

Getting a fantastic deal on gueye doesn't negate losing money elsewhere

Keep seeing rooney will only cost what Valencia and Niasse do. Wasting money slightly worse than before isn't good business

Why do you keep bringing up random comparisons?

It's really not that difficult to comprehend is it? Within 6 months of each other we bought one excellent midfielder and sold another poor one for roughly the same price. Squad improved and we broke even.

Whether we could have got more for Cleverley or could have paid more for Gueye is irrelevant. It is what it is.