Thing is, he finished 9th three times in a row with Stoke. I'm not sure they're going to do any better than that. Maybe 7th or 8th is achievable in an outstanding season, but it's very difficult to go anywhere but backwards from 9th with Stoke. And then when that inevitable happens, the manager loses his job. Not a fan of his, but have some sympathy with him losing his job on this occasion, and wondering exactly what Stoke fans expect.