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Poll

Man of the Match

Joel
1 (1.6%)
Coleman
0 (0%)
Stones
13 (20.6%)
Jagielka
0 (0%)
Baines
1 (1.6%)
Barry
1 (1.6%)
Besic
43 (68.3%)
Barkley
0 (0%)
Naismith
0 (0%)
Mirallas
4 (6.3%)
Lukaku
0 (0%)
Oviedo (Sub)
0 (0%)
Kone (Sub)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 63

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January 20, 2015, 07:31:29 PM
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Brownie20

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Whatever. He'll be sacked (fingers crossed) when he loses next 2 games.

You really are a spiteful little person aren't you?
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January 20, 2015, 07:38:27 PM
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bertcocaine


In my opinion none of the players look comfortable at the moment with the system. I posted a couple of weeks of back ref Jag's body language in a post match interview and still feel that the players look like theyve got the weight of the world on their shoulders. I honestly feel RM has lost the players and the majority of fans. Yesterday was so painful to watch.

Is it not possible that the players are uncomfortable because they've lost a lot of matches, and usually get booed by the crowd?

I'm not disputing the right of paying punters to boo - but if you went to work every week, kept missing your targets, and got booed and heckled on top of that, and then have to talk to the media about it, would you feel comfortable?

All but one of the current regulars were quite happy with the system last year, and Besic is clearly the type of player that wants to play in a passing team.
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January 20, 2015, 07:48:17 PM
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bertcocaine


Whatever. He'll be sacked (fingers crossed) when he loses next 2 games.

he won't though we he? Bill's track record is quite clear, and while we are certainly not safe nor are we in the bottom three. Losing away to a resurgent palace and to Liverpool are not going to result in Martinez being sacked.

So whether or not anyone thinks we should stick with him or not, we aren't going to get the choice. Given that, the rest of Django's post makes sense.
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January 20, 2015, 07:58:58 PM
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pjk


The Derbies at home mate. or is that just a typo. Don't want you turning up at Anfield on the night. Doing an Odemwingie. ;D
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January 20, 2015, 08:09:06 PM
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Silas

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You really are a spiteful little person aren't you?

There are a decent proportion of people in life generally that would rather be right no matter the consequences.

January 20, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
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bertcocaine


I don't think he has been that bad compared to expectation

I think the problem is human nature.

Most fans went into this season expecting to move on - be challenging convincingly for the top four again, maybe go one better. Barkley to morph from 6-7 goals and impressive play into the world beating midfielder we've all been expecting.

Having gotten used to doing well pretty much all the time, and even when not doing that great, conceding few, fans now find themselves in uncertain territory. Human nature when faced with the unknown is often to panic. Of course no rational person panics, so instead their mind searches for 'reasons'. How rational those reasons are is down to how good a person is at controlling their initial feelings and thinking through an issue. Many people convince themselves they do this, but get locked onto an idea or a reaction before logic kicks in, and find it very hard to let go.

Road rage is a good example of this. Ever have those moments when someone else's driving causes you to let you expletives, gestures, threats? That's a reaction, not a logical conclusion. But most people in that situation will then keep repeating the faults of the other driver, to convince themselves their reaction is justified, instead of thinking 'who is all this vitriol helping?' and realising the anger, is all theirs.

So the expectation.. team isn't fulfilling. Sitting there in the cold thinking 'all this time and money invested and where the fuck is last years team?!'. Then Barkley gets the ball. Good old Ross, the little superstar. He can make something happen! Yes.. oh. FFS!

Easy to understand why the reactions. What people say after that moment of frustration? That separates the rational fans from the reactive ones.


I guess the only thing that is surprising is that quite a few fans seem surprised that a lot of fans post emotional reactive posts instead of logical ones. We aren't logical creatures by nature, and there is absolutely nothing logical about our love for our club, or our love of watching 22 overpaid blokes kick a leather ball around an oversized back garden (well when the right 11 of them are doing it successfully anyway).

It is annoying when others hold to different opinions, but if everyone thought the same then it would be pretty boring, yes?

Ramble over.  :-X
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January 20, 2015, 08:18:10 PM
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bertcocaine


The Derbies at home mate. or is that just a typo. Don't want you turning up at Anfield on the night. Doing an Odemwingie. ;D

doh! twas a typo.  :hail:

Not going near that shed of fans shipped in from around the country if I can help it.  ;D
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