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August 18, 2016, 02:19:02 AM
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Well, Rangers/Sevco/NewCO are back (whatever you want to call them) - do you see them challenging for the league championship and other cups this year?

Or will Celtic do the full domestic treble with Brendan  Rogers and also progress in the Champions League tonight (vs Hapeol - Israeli team) and further into the competition?

Can Celtic or Hibs with Neil Lennon run either team close in the league or domestic cups?

Are their any decent players in that league you would like to sign? (Damon Cummings - Hibs, Dembele/Kieran Tierney -Celtic etc)

Why is the SPFL so shit despite x2 massive teams playing in it, to the point where Mark Warburton is complaining that Rangers are having to offload players to Championship teams in the UK who pay higher money?

LEAGUE TABLE - Rangers top after 2 games
http://spfl.co.uk/premiership/table/

Is their anyone in the Scottish National Team you'd like at Everton?

Scottish football's shite because of the Old Firm not despite them. They're not really massive clubs anymore either, they are in Scotland but outside of Scotland not that many people are arsed about Scottish football, in fact, inside of Scotland not that many people are arsed about Scottish football either.

Scottish football and the Old Firm have been left behind by all the other big leagues in Europe. The influx of money hasn't helped either, as Warburton has said, players would rather leave and go and play in the Championship and earn more money,(plus it's a better level) you only need to look at the Scottish national side, it's made up largely of Premier League squad players and Championship players. Rangers have a bit of a cheek moaning about that though, given that they were taking players from the SPL into the fourth tier of Scottish football with the lure of big wages.

The structure's all wrong as well, they had a chance a year or two ago to revamp Scottish football and all the did was copy the names of the English leagues such is the lack of idea in Scottish football. There's also not the population to sustain a decent level of support and therefore income for the clubs, low populated towns and the lure of the Old Firm are a huge problem with central belt and east coast full of small, poorly supported clubs. It'll never happen because football is so tribal but if they cut it down to three leagues of 10-12 clubs and merged several together it would make a huge difference. Dundee and Dundee Utd are on the same street and both looking in to new grounds, why they don't ground share is bonkers. As an extreme they could even merge the clubs, one club in Dundee being successful and getting 15-20k at a game is better than the two yo-yo clubs they have at the moment. Same in the central belt, Hibs and Hearts can just about stand on their own two feet but and Edinburgh club getting 30-35k at games would be brilliant. Clubs like Falkirk and Livingstone constantly live hand to mouth, they could perhaps merge, Livingstone only came from the fall of Meadowbank and probably ended up taking supporters from Falkirk.

Clubs like Clyde, Clydebank, Partick, Hamilton, Motherwell, Dumbarton, Morton, St Mirren etc spend their lives going up and down the leagues struggling to survive. Kilmarnock have a lovely stadium but can't get 5000 through the gate most weeks, Ayr barely getting a few hundred, maybe they could merge to form an Ayrshire club. Like I said due to the tribal nature of football merging will never happen but until something is done to change it massively, Scottish football is always going to struggle.

It's Jason Cummings by the way. :) It's a shame really, Everton used to always have a fairly strong connection with Scotland having had some club greats over the years. I don't really watch enough Scottish football to see the players but I can't think of any in the Scottish Premiership that I'd want at Everton. The problem with the SP is that it's probably not much better than League 1 in standard so for any player to go to the Premier League is a huge jump in class.
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August 18, 2016, 03:00:12 AM
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Good post @Gash

What I wills say I know 1 or 2 lads playing professionally who see Celtic as a great step up with the added perk of the Champions League. Very occasionally players like Nakumaura, Moravcik or Larrson or Kenny Miller for Rangers turn down huge money elsewhere at least until they are over 30 (Larsson) take the club to their hearts.

Its like Olympiakos/Panathanikos or Steua Bucharest have big histories with regular CL Football and crazy fans who travel far and wide but the league is wrapped up between 2 clubs, still doesn't deter from playing/supporting either club.

The SFA really need to help the national team and fans by kicking some life and money and sponsorship into the SPFL and Scottish Football - safe standing and revamps will be a start of that.

The problem for young players is that like Man City many young Scottish player has gone to the Old Firm only to disappear without trace. Scott Allan being the latest player to see his career stall, voted player of the season one year, 18 months later sent on loan to Rotherham. And there's been many other examples over the years. All this does is stall a players career and also hampers the national team as decent players who could progress are seeing their career stopped in it's tracks. Armstrong and MacKay-Steven are similar, they're getting some games but they'd both be a shoe in every week if the were still at Dundee Utd, and both should have 15-20+ caps by now as well. Champions League isn't a perk either considering they either don't get a game or don't qualify half the time anyway.

With regards to Nakamura, Moravcik, Larsson and Kenny Miller etc other than Larsson none of them were every going to play at a much higher level, baring in mind Celtic were still playing at reasonable level in those days, if it was now they be gone in a flash. Kenny Miller had a go at the Premier League a couple of times with Wolves and Derby and largely died on his arse, that's why he ended up hanging around Scottish football for so long.

It'll take a lot more than money, sponsorship (not that any sponsor is going to through game changing money at Scottish football) and some safe standing areas to change things.

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August 18, 2016, 03:03:03 AM
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And there's another problem with Scottish football. Not that Celtic have lost this, far from it but clubs getting fucked in European qualifiers every year and not even getting to the main competition has absolutely ruined our co-efficiency.


August 18, 2016, 04:03:24 AM
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Again, good point - that lack of coeffiency has deterred the big players from signing. As i said though, if your a Championship player with teams looking at you even from the EPL - IF Celtic are in the CL Group Stage I know for a fact young hungry players and their agents are attracted by Celtic.

Sometimes @Gash premier league clubs ruin players - look at Aiden McGeady (!) and Liam Miller (Man Utd) and the best example is Tony Watt.

McGeady was never that good a player, looking good in the SPL massively clouds the judgement on him, he's pretty much looked completely out his depth since he came here. Liam Miller was never a Man Utd player and another who looked good in the SPL but struggled with the gulf in class. It was always a strange move that, saw the bright lights and left on a free only to become a journeyman which would suggest he wasn't good enough in the first place. Wasn't aware that Watt had played in the Premier League? He's dined out well on "that" goal but the fact he's back at Hearts would probably suggest he's Championship/League 1 standard at best.

It's all relevant though, it's a bit like a food chain, the Old Firm take young Scottish players then some of the Premier League clubs take the top Old Firm players but that's becoming few and far between these days. Scott Brown sums up the state of Scottish football, one of the top players there even though he's not very good and in his 30's now and never once been seriously linked with a big move.

On another point of interest Alan Stubbs did an amazing job at Hibs and is now at Rotheram, if he continues like that especially in a EPL job, future candidate for Everton hot seat?

No!

I don't think he did that well at Hibs, made a right mess of things a couple of times trying to get out the Championship, fair enough he won their first cup but the Premiership is where they need to be and he blew it twice.

August 18, 2016, 04:42:43 AM
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August 18, 2016, 09:24:03 PM
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Who was the Everton Academy player who went on to play for Forrest - Fox? Liam? He got ruined at Celtic too. Strachan signed him.

Danny Fox wasn't it?


August 19, 2016, 04:47:15 AM
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Do you think Rogers was a good choice for Celtic? @Gash - some Celtic fans where considering Stubbs as an ex player who at managerial level punched above his weight and seemed eager and ambitious. Do you think anybody (other than Hearts who did it) could beat Rangers to Division 1 last year? I have friends who support Hibs and as the 'other' irish/socialist club I have a lot of time for them and their tradition/supporters but Stubbs did a difficult job well and is now at Rotheram ironically signing a few scourers and creating a plan for progress

As for Rogers - do you agree like Shankly wasn't fitted to Huddersfield or Van Gaal to Man Utd they where still good managers and Rogers will kick away his Liverpool Hoodoo and resemble Martin O'Neil in taking Celtic back to regular CL Group/2nd Stage campaigns and domestic trebles?

As for Rangers - where do they need improving? Can you see them having a fast rise?

Is it fair that a Old Firm ticket at Celtic Park is DOUBLE the price of a regular ticket this season?

I think Rogers was an easy choice for Celtic and for him. He clearly wasn't going to get offered a big job in England anytime soon so it was a 'big job' for him to take, but in a league where only two clubs have a realistic chance of winning and one is wounded then it's a bit of a no brainer for him for now but if Rangers get close then the pressure will increase tenfold. I'm not convinced by him, even less so after he trotted out the "great character" line last night after the game. He's had a season where he (Suarez) took them close to winning the league and a decent season at Swansea, other than that he's got a questionable record as a manager.

Stubbs made a mess of the play offs the first year they went down, they were 2-0 up after the first leg and still 2-1 up in injury time of the second but lost on penalties. If I recall correctly they were in control of the their destiny until about March last season then they totally imploded.

Don't really know about Rangers, I can see them getting back in debt with some of the players they're trying to throw money at.

If that's right about Celtic charging double for an Old Firm game that's pretty disgraceful, are they trying to recoup the money from the years they didn't have the derby? Fair enough charge a few extra for a category A match but double is a piss take.


August 19, 2016, 04:52:55 AM
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I've started watching quite a bit of it generally.

You need to get one of those fancy Android boxes or something. No one south of Dalkeith watches 'quite a bit of it generally'. ;)

August 19, 2016, 05:54:10 AM
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I keep forgetting, your scottish right?

Yup, sure am. @Bally  loves my accent. :)

August 19, 2016, 06:42:15 PM
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Scott Brown retired from international football. That should buy him a bit more time to run around bumping into people pretending he's a hardman.

August 19, 2016, 09:02:24 PM
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If it's typical for the area you live in, I love it too, even without having heard it. :)

I think I've a bit of a mix being from the south east originally then moving to the south west. It's not like a strong Glasgow or northern accent.

August 21, 2016, 02:53:44 AM
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Except...

http://stv.tv/sport/football/118839-scott-brown-to-leave-celtic-for-everton/


Yeah, frightening wasn't it. I don't think it was the serious a situation. He may well have improved if he'd come to the Premier League but I doubt it.

August 27, 2016, 03:44:17 AM
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Isn't it 4g

Aye, it is.

I'd have gone to this if I'd realised earlier than 6pm that it was on. Used to go to Kilmarnock quite a bit as a couple of mates are fans.

August 27, 2016, 03:59:26 AM
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Good win too, or have I jinxed it

Finished 1-1. Killie down to 10 men as well, Kris Boyd scoring against his former club.

August 28, 2016, 12:25:51 AM
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