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September 07, 2017, 05:53:21 PM
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From an Everton point of view i'm made up about this.

Regarding development. The following are already in the pipeline regardless of the games:
- Our stadium (obviously)
- Tobacco warehouse (been ongoing for a generation, but new contractors recently)
- Increasing width/capacity on Derby Road/Great Howard street (the main 'A' road of the area)
- The "10 streets" scheme. (Didn't see confirmation of this being from Oil Street to Saltney or if it is the cluster of Carlton/Clay/Upper William to Saltney/Sherwood)
- A new Northern Line train station (if i was a betting man i'd say it was going on Boundary Street bridge area)
- Liverpool Waters itself (which is the main reason for all of the stuff above)


So don't stress about the common wealth games if you're an Evertonian from outside the region. This is great news for you.


September 07, 2017, 05:53:31 PM
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Liverpool has lost its bid to host Commonwealth Games 2022 thanks to my team #proud👍Congratulations and good luck Birmingham wish you well👏



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September 07, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
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Ross


Is this decision gonna be carried over for the 2026 games? I thought Liverpool were interested in hosting them too.

Yeah I wondered that myself, not seen anything mentioning the previously planned 2026 bid but I'm sure they said if this failed they'd apply again so you'd have to take them at their word on that I suppose.

It's hard to know where this leaves us now. With a government backed bid planning permission would have been a lot easier than without out it obviously and then there's the lack of funds for the regeneration of the surrounding area that could become a problem now.
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September 07, 2017, 06:06:36 PM
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Yeah I wondered that myself, not seen anything mentioning the previously planned 2026 bid but I'm sure they said if this failed they'd apply again so you'd have to take them at their word on that I suppose.

It's hard to know where this leaves us now. With a government backed bid planning permission would have been a lot easier than without out it obviously and then there's the lack of funds for the regeneration of the surrounding area that could become a problem now.

Read my last post.

Further though, there was no government funding/regeneration funding available for the common wealth games. It's straight out of council tax funds.

Planning permission? May be another hoop to jump through there - but this is part of Liverpool Waters land that already has planning permission for 'mixed-use, tall buildings'.
The wording for that planning permission was intentionally vague to try to avert early anger from CABE/EH/Unesco (it didn't work).


Honestly, so many things are already in motion that the commonwealth games in no way jeopardises this scheme. (Only Everton being Everton can do that now)

September 07, 2017, 06:41:15 PM
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Read my last post.

Further though, there was no government funding/regeneration funding available for the common wealth games. It's straight out of council tax funds.

Planning permission? May be another hoop to jump through there - but this is part of Liverpool Waters land that already has planning permission for 'mixed-use, tall buildings'.
The wording for that planning permission was intentionally vague to try to avert early anger from CABE/EH/Unesco (it didn't work).


Honestly, so many things are already in motion that the commonwealth games in no way jeopardises this scheme. (Only Everton being Everton can do that now)

There was a planned athletes village to be built with all kinds of amenities that go with it that would have been left as a legacy to regenerate the area (social housing and such) Mick. The road scheme is in place (as is the warehouse and 10 streets scheme) but that was needed regardless apparently. The main driver for regeneration of the area was the bid for the games which obviously isn't happening any time soon.

That's not to say it's stopping us still building a stadium but the councils appetite might not be as strong now after this decision is all I'm saying.



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September 07, 2017, 06:45:14 PM
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There was a planned athletes village to be built with all kinds of amenities that go with it that would have been left as a legacy to regenerate the area (social housing and such) Mick. The road scheme is in place (as is the warehouse and 10 streets scheme) but that was needed regardless apparently. The main driver for regeneration of the area was the bid for the games which obviously isn't happening any time soon.

That's not to say it's stopping us still building a stadium but the councils appetite might not be as strong now after this decision is all I'm saying.


Sorry, i catch your drift now.

yeah, the regeneration the commonwealth games would have started was massive and dependent on the games.

Thankfully, however, Liverpool Waters and our stadium are also drivers of regeneration (and the schemes earmarked for there already are as a direct result of that).
The regeneration will still happen then, just over 20 years instead of 5.

I mentioned that Evertonians from outside the area should be happy with this news. For those of us in the area though, it is a blow.


September 07, 2017, 08:52:30 PM
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Glad it's off. We don't need to faff about with the design of the Bramley Moore mega bowl (not bowl) now to accommodate it.

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September 07, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
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Don't get back to games in the same country
I think it may be slightly different with these games though as they were only available 2022 because Durban pulled out. I don't know for sure but I thought the bid was initially being prepared for 2026 anyway and would carry on regardless of today's announcement.

In practice though it's entirely possible that rule would be voluntarily observed by the CW games decision makers.
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September 07, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
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Glad it's off. We don't need to faff about with the design of the Bramley Moore mega bowl (not bowl) now to accommodate it.

Maximum seat incline please mr Meis!
I don't think they're having much legroom are they? They're trying to get the last seat as close to the pitch as they can. The main way of doing that is from reduced legroom.

September 07, 2017, 09:42:07 PM
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there will be regeneration in the area, i know because i work for a drone company, we have been doing lots of shoots round there this summer, i know of at least 8 towers planned in the area between liver buildings and bramley moore

September 07, 2017, 09:56:17 PM
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Cozzie


Glad this ends the whole running track debate.

Wouldn't have liked it.

Cant wait to see the designs.

September 07, 2017, 10:51:05 PM
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phillyt


I'd still like to see a provision made for a "false floor"to be fitted above the pitch level to accommodate the likes of athletics & concerts etc. I think it's atletico doing it. To be able to easily stage world class events would only be beneficial to us.
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September 07, 2017, 10:57:42 PM
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I'd still like to see a provision made for a "false floor"to be fitted above the pitch level to accommodate the likes of athletics & concerts etc. I think it's atletico doing it. To be able to easily stage world class events would only be beneficial to us.

It's a saturated market already with both the City of Manchester stadium and Old Trafford Cricket Ground already accommodating large outdoor concerts within a reasonable distance and that's before parks are taken into account.

For smaller gigs there is already the Echo and the MEN.

For the 2 months realistically available to host concerts/athletics during the summer, it's literally not worthwhile doing with the competition in the North West for such events already sizable enough.

September 07, 2017, 10:58:37 PM
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I'd still like to see a provision made for a "false floor"to be fitted above the pitch level to accommodate the likes of athletics & concerts etc. I think it's atletico doing it. To be able to easily stage world class events would only be beneficial to us.

Cardiff Blues are looking to do something similar with their ground next to the Principality Stadium
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September 07, 2017, 11:12:10 PM
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I'd still like to see a provision made for a "false floor"to be fitted above the pitch level to accommodate the likes of athletics & concerts etc. I think it's atletico doing it. To be able to easily stage world class events would only be beneficial to us.

Hosting Euros or World Cup matches are the only world class events I want to see at BMD outside of our own world class dominance of the PL & CL  :)
    

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