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September 07, 2017, 11:36:11 PM
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It's a saturated market already with both the City of Manchester stadium and Old Trafford Cricket Ground already accommodating large outdoor concerts within a reasonable distance and that's before parks are taken into account.

For smaller gigs there is already the Echo and the MEN.

For the 2 months realistically available to host concerts/athletics during the summer, it's literally not worthwhile doing with the competition in the North West for such events already sizable enough.

A lot of people said exactly the same to argue against building the echo arena itself. The MEN is to close and so there isn't a market for it.

You put Ed Sheeran or Adele in any number of places for any amount of days and you're going to sell out any number of tickets you have.


September 08, 2017, 02:48:14 AM
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It's a saturated market already with both the City of Manchester stadium and Old Trafford Cricket Ground already accommodating large outdoor concerts within a reasonable distance and that's before parks are taken into account.

For smaller gigs there is already the Echo and the MEN.

For the 2 months realistically available to host concerts/athletics during the summer, it's literally not worthwhile doing with the competition in the North West for such events already sizable enough.

But as often happens in saturated markets the newest squeezes out older facilities, as long as it's done well. Don't get me wrong it's not the be all and end all for me, but if it can be accommodated I think it will be good. The idea is thinking of similar to atletico (I think) allows us to have approx 60k plus as a football stadium then as athletics 40k it could be other things like American football, rugby, showjumping anything really. It could be sold on the aesthetics of a waterfront stadium.

If we are to make this move a total success we have to look to maximise all revenue streams and while the amount we gain will not be in the same range as we get for premier league matches it will be something.

My slight concern is I think that would only work with a bowl. Personally I prefer the separate stands. Although I do know that in itself would impact on income.

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September 08, 2017, 02:51:20 AM
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But as often happens in saturated markets the newest squeezes out older facilities, as long as it's done well. Don't get me wrong it's not the be all and end all for me, but if it can be accommodated I think it will be good. The idea is thinking of similar to atletico (I think) allows us to have approx 60k plus as a football stadium then as athletics 40k it could be other things like American football, rugby, showjumping anything really. It could be sold on the aesthetics of a waterfront stadium.

If we are to make this move a total success we have to look to maximise all revenue streams and while the amount we gain will not be in the same range as we get for premier league matches it will be something.

My slight concern is I think that would only work with a bowl. Personally I prefer the separate stands. Although I do know that in itself would impact on income.






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September 08, 2017, 03:23:10 AM
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But as often happens in saturated markets the newest squeezes out older facilities, as long as it's done well. Don't get me wrong it's not the be all and end all for me, but if it can be accommodated I think it will be good. The idea is thinking of similar to atletico (I think) allows us to have approx 60k plus as a football stadium then as athletics 40k it could be other things like American football, rugby, showjumping anything really. It could be sold on the aesthetics of a waterfront stadium.

If we are to make this move a total success we have to look to maximise all revenue streams and while the amount we gain will not be in the same range as we get for premier league matches it will be something.

My slight concern is I think that would only work with a bowl. Personally I prefer the separate stands. Although I do know that in itself would impact on income.



top class athletics stuff - as in World Championships - will go to the Olympic Stadium. It's in London, it's kind of owned by our athletics governing body (I think?) and it's got a legacy of a fantastic Olympics behind it

I think we should revisit the idea of monster truck events like we had planned for the King's Dock Stadium.  Nowhere else puts on big monster truck events these days so we could corner the market nice and early.

then add stock car racing too, and maybe pro-wrestling live on ITV on a Saturday afternoon...

or we could just stick Ed Sheeran on and sell it out to 80,000 punters paying £50 a bash

September 08, 2017, 04:05:36 AM
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top class athletics stuff - as in World Championships - will go to the Olympic Stadium. It's in London, it's kind of owned by our athletics governing body (I think?) and it's got a legacy of a fantastic Olympics behind it

I think we should revisit the idea of monster truck events like we had planned for the King's Dock Stadium.  Nowhere else puts on big monster truck events these days so we could corner the market nice and early.

then add stock car racing too, and maybe pro-wrestling live on ITV on a Saturday afternoon...

or we could just stick Ed Sheeran on and sell it out to 80,000 punters paying £50 a bash
monster trucks would be pretty awesome though. 😂
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September 08, 2017, 04:33:49 AM
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Monster Truck is awesome.Other than rugby it's the best thing I've seen at the Principality
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September 08, 2017, 04:48:49 AM
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September 08, 2017, 05:08:31 AM
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top class athletics stuff - as in World Championships - will go to the Olympic Stadium. It's in London, it's kind of owned by our athletics governing body (I think?) and it's got a legacy of a fantastic Olympics behind it
Hell of a job cleaning and sterilising it to remove all trace of hammers fans every time you want to run a race though?
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September 08, 2017, 05:20:51 AM
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September 08, 2017, 05:27:00 AM
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It's as far away as it's ever been

Fucking hell mate, I bet you're a right laugh at parties. Why are you so negative about everything?
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September 08, 2017, 05:30:32 AM
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Fucking hell mate, I bet you're a right laugh at parties. Why are you so negative about everything?

Have you read the article?

September 08, 2017, 05:31:13 AM
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September 08, 2017, 05:41:29 AM
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Yes

Then I don't understand how you take the comment as negative

September 08, 2017, 05:45:40 AM
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Then I don't understand how you take the comment as negative

Because your comment saye we are as far away as we have ever been which suggests that it includes the failed Kings Dock and Kirby moves. Even if you are not including them the fact that we have spent £22m on a piece of land and that plans are still being done suggests that we are moving forward. This is a major piece of construction- it's going to take time, but seeing as @Bally has said we should hear something soon and he is on the official fans forum then I would say we are closer again
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September 08, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
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Everton hope to be given planning permission, for land which they paid £22m for, next year

We are further away than we were with Kirkby.
We are closer than we were last year.

The statement "It's as far away as it's ever been" is demonstrably untrue.

I share your reticence about getting carried away over this. With it being the 4th time the issue has arisen it's hard to think of it as a done deal.
It's futher along than Johnsons Kirkby dream.
It's pretty much at a similar stage as Kings dock (plans deffo held back awaiting yesterdays decision)
It's not as far as Kenwrights Kirkby dream

The only thing worrying me is that the guarantor deal hasn't been signed off.