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December 18, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
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the houses around Goodison are owned by private landlords mostly

there was talk in 2007 when KEIOC spoke with the Council and Warren Bradley (who was the leader of the council then) said he had spoken to the landlords and they were all open to property swaps (where they would get a bigger property in, say, Edge Lane, in exchange for their house on Goodison Road / Gwladys Street) but that will have all changed now as the council have less empty property stock

Thanks.

Last year there was supposed to be land available just up the road at Walton Hall Park. Couldn't we extend Goodison, taking whatever size footprint we need to extend to for a full commercialized stadium (houses, schools & perhaps parkland) and then build the equivalent of what we take from around the current ground up at Walton Hall?

I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.


December 18, 2016, 09:27:13 PM
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Just a thought, the cost of filling in the dock area would be huge - could it be used instead as an underground car park (still a major cost but could bring savings and help with congestion etc). Would probably also make it more attractive as a venue for concerts and other stuff.

December 18, 2016, 09:30:34 PM
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Just a thought, the cost of filling in the dock area would be huge - could it be used instead as an underground car park (still a major cost but could bring savings and help with congestion etc). Would probably also make it more attractive as a venue for concerts and other stuff.

it'd probably be even more work to do that (and cost) than just chuck a load of rubble into it (I'm being simplistic on purpose there!)

Thanks.

Last year there was supposed to be land available just up the road at Walton Hall Park. Couldn't we extend Goodison, taking whatever size footprint we need to extend to for a full commercialized stadium (houses, schools & perhaps parkland) and then build the equivalent of what we take from around the current ground up at Walton Hall?

I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.

it's the surrounding area that comes into play as well though.  the surrounding area being seriously developed will bring money into the area which there will likely be a deal with the council for them to offset against the purchase of whatever land / planning applications there needs to be done.  WHP was never a goer as the residents would always kick up a fuss, and would likely do the same with whatever needed to be built there.

the purchase of the land was quoted at around £30m which is tiny really in comparison to the whole cost of a new stadium and we'd likely "lose" £30m at least if redeveloping Goodison, sadly.


December 18, 2016, 09:30:43 PM
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I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.

It's thought to be £30m for the land, isn't it?

Really that's a drop in the ocean eh? The price of an average Prem player now.
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December 18, 2016, 09:49:09 PM
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Really?

Through Wirral?
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December 18, 2016, 09:52:50 PM
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Not much has changed about Goodison Park since it was built 124 years ago (Getty)

Apart from totally non-original stands on all 4 sides yeah?
And how many times has the pitch been relaid?


December 18, 2016, 10:00:41 PM
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Thanks.

Last year there was supposed to be land available just up the road at Walton Hall Park. Couldn't we extend Goodison, taking whatever size footprint we need to extend to for a full commercialized stadium (houses, schools & perhaps parkland) and then build the equivalent of what we take from around the current ground up at Walton Hall?

I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.
Don't see the argument there sorry ,to extend as you say ,is at least as much work plus loss of revenue whilst the renovations go on and all the time working with an old building
I have been to the Old Lady at least a thousand times and will sadly miss her but if this architect "get's it " then we will have the stadium for the other to follow an open space is so much easier ,I just hope they do a Yellow Submarine tour from under the stadium should be easy enough if they propose bridging the dock and it will give the away fans a place to cool down !

December 18, 2016, 10:21:00 PM
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the purchase of the land was quoted at around £30m which is tiny really in comparison to the whole cost of a new stadium

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It's thought to be £30m for the land, isn't it?

Really that's a drop in the ocean eh? The price of an average Prem player now.

True. I had a figure of £80m in my head for some reason. When you start looking at things relative to the cost of players though it gets scary. A top team must be worth a billion (suing Pogba as a basis) and another £500 million for the subs  :).

Just looked at the cost of Highbury back in 2006 and it cost them £390M.

Liverpool's new stand £114M with £39M being the cost of land. They expect to earn £20M a season from the new stand.



December 18, 2016, 10:23:01 PM
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Just a thought, the cost of filling in the dock area would be huge - could it be used instead as an underground car park (still a major cost but could bring savings and help with congestion etc). Would probably also make it more attractive as a venue for concerts and other stuff.
...............I read somewhere about a part-sunken football stadium ...........and then there's this....
http://theweek.com/articles/602396/football-stadium-tomorrow-may-surprise

I'm sure the architects will be looking at every possibility for such an interesting  site as B-M dock.
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December 19, 2016, 12:37:47 AM
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...............I read somewhere about a part-sunken football stadium ...........and then there's this....
http://theweek.com/articles/602396/football-stadium-tomorrow-may-surprise

I'm sure the architects will be looking at every possibility for such an interesting  site as B-M dock.



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December 19, 2016, 01:02:47 AM
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...............I read somewhere about a part-sunken football stadium ...........and then there's this....
http://theweek.com/articles/602396/football-stadium-tomorrow-may-surprise

I'm sure the architects will be looking at every possibility for such an interesting  site as B-M dock.
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So go to the game beat the traffic and watch it on a screen ,I can do that without the going to the game and beating the traffic ,to many video games influencing reality here .
Just a great stadium , standing not sitting and all will be back to the best with less space needed for terracing than stands

December 20, 2016, 03:11:30 PM
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Alanvideo


We are special ,we are Everton.

December 20, 2016, 03:44:41 PM
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Does anybody else reckon Everton will announce this officially on Christmas day?

December 20, 2016, 03:49:35 PM
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December 20, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
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Does anybody else reckon Everton will announce this officially on Christmas day?

No