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July 28, 2018, 09:09:13 PM
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Shropshire Blue

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But why do you assume it will end if the owner dies? Wouldn’t there be a will?

And even if it did end, wouldn’t it be beneficial while it lasted and put us in a different realm?
The only person to mention an owner dying is you!
The point is nothing lasts forever for all sorts of reasons. We were the richest club once. I was there I supported them, saw those players arrive and play, was there when we won trophies. It didn't last. With hindsight could life after John Moores have been better planned for whilst he was still around? I don't know but the point is Moshiri and Usmanov (or whoever) are probably around for 10 - 15 years. Shouldn't we also be aware of and discuss life beyond that? It may seem an eternity now but chances are a third of that time will be used up just reaching the next level never mind actually winning major trophies.
It would be beneficial to us fans while it lasted but then what? That needs to be talked about as well and these are issues for football as a whole not just us..
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July 28, 2018, 09:32:46 PM
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The only person to mention an owner dying is you!
The point is nothing lasts forever for all sorts of reasons. We were the richest club once. I was there I supported them, saw those players arrive and play, was there when we won trophies. It didn't last. With hindsight could life after John Moores have been better planned for whilst he was still around? I don't know but the point is Moshiri and Usmanov (or whoever) are probably around for 10 - 15 years. Shouldn't we also be aware of and discuss life beyond that? It may seem an eternity now but chances are a third of that time will be used up just reaching the next level never mind actually winning major trophies.
It would be beneficial to us fans while it lasted but then what? That needs to be talked about as well and these are issues for football as a whole not just us..

No, you mentioned him dying:

“Perhaps this needs a thread of its own about Usmanov but let's not forget that whilst it would be nice to have a mega rich owner(s) and compete in the future he/they will go one day (he's 64 now)”

Surely planning for the future will be easier if we have a rich owner NOW, who gets us a great stadium, provides us with a great team, and delivers trophies.

Then suddenly we are operating on a higher level, and so when they go (either through death or selling us on) we are then more attractive to other wealthy investors/owners in the future.
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July 28, 2018, 09:52:11 PM
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No, you mentioned him dying:

“Perhaps this needs a thread of its own about Usmanov but let's not forget that whilst it would be nice to have a mega rich owner(s) and compete in the future he/they will go one day (he's 64 now)”

Surely planning for the future will be easier if we have a rich owner NOW, who gets us a great stadium, provides us with a great team, and delivers trophies.

Then suddenly we are operating on a higher level, and so when they go (either through death or selling us on) we are then more attractive to other wealthy investors/owners in the future.
He doesn't have to leave just by popping his clogs!! People get older and get ill,  lose interest,  go bust,  don't have the time, family commitments etc etc.
It's very easy to just look at the here and now and what might be in the near future. That's one reason we all love football/Everton, it's escapism from everyday life. But I want that escapism to go on well into the future and that needs to be planned for. The one consistent factor within a football club is the fan base,  managers, players, officials and owners come and go. We are the heart and soul of the club but we are also the group with the least power and limited influence. In the PL today a club could financially survive in front of zero gate!
I just think we also need to temper the current excitement by remembering that the club''s future goes way beyond the next 20 or 30 years
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July 28, 2018, 09:57:12 PM
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He doesn't have to leave just by popping his clogs!! People get older and get ill,  lose interest,  go bust,  don't have the time, family commitments etc etc.
It's very easy to just look at the here and now and what might be in the near future. That's one reason we all love football/Everton, it's escapism from everyday life. But I want that escapism to go on well into the future and that needs to be planned for. The one consistent factor within a football club is the fan base,  managers, players, officials and owners come and go. We are the heart and soul of the club but we are also the group with the least power and limited influence. In the PL today a club could financially survive in front of zero gate!
I just think we also need to temper the current excitement by remembering that the club''s future goes way beyond the next 20 or 30 years

I did say when the owner either dies or sells us on; do you only read selected parts of posts?

Surely you can acknowledge that by improving our present situation our future will have a much greater chance of being similarly rosey?
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July 28, 2018, 10:01:47 PM
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For all we know ,companies controlled by Usmanov may be already involved in buying up property on the waterfront and around Regent Road.  It's a good investment and doesn't need approval by the PL . It just happens to be next door to our proposed stadium.
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July 28, 2018, 10:26:51 PM
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I did say when the owner either dies or sells us on; do you only read selected parts of posts?

Surely you can acknowledge that by improving our present situation our future will have a much greater chance of being similarly rosey?
You mentioned him dying first not me! That doesn't matter though that's just how we read and respond to posts sometimes we get it wrong etc. My point isn't about how we read and respond to each other but that we (fans on the whole) need to look beyond the 'here and now owners and major shareholders' and what may happen down the line.
The club, to its credit, has tried hard to engage fans in the new ground but we also need to be heard on wider issues and that is where fans are vulnerable because few of us have the experience to understand financial issues and business dealings at this level.
If we question we will get answers and if we get answers they can then be scrutinised and if it adds up -fine. If it doesn't then that needs to be explored.
Hopefully you're right about being in a better position after Moshiri and Usmanov (if) but we also need to look around at the dozens of football clubs at all levels who welcomed owners who could take them onwards and upwards who lined their own pockets at the expense of those clubs or just basically screwed up. At the end of the day the biggest losers are the fans.
I'm optimistic about our future, just might take longer than I originally hoped, but I also look at the playing side of things starting with last summers transfer window and it sounds a note of caution in my mind
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July 28, 2018, 10:45:32 PM
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You mentioned him dying first not me! That doesn't matter though that's just how we read and respond to posts sometimes we get it wrong etc. My point isn't about how we read and respond to each other but that we (fans on the whole) need to look beyond the 'here and now owners and major shareholders' and what may happen down the line.
The club, to its credit, has tried hard to engage fans in the new ground but we also need to be heard on wider issues and that is where fans are vulnerable because few of us have the experience to understand financial issues and business dealings at this level.
If we question we will get answers and if we get answers they can then be scrutinised and if it adds up -fine. If it doesn't then that needs to be explored.
Hopefully you're right about being in a better position after Moshiri and Usmanov (if) but we also need to look around at the dozens of football clubs at all levels who welcomed owners who could take them onwards and upwards who lined their own pockets at the expense of those clubs or just basically screwed up. At the end of the day the biggest losers are the fans.
I'm optimistic about our future, just might take longer than I originally hoped, but I also look at the playing side of things starting with last summers transfer window and it sounds a note of caution in my mind

No, you mentioned it first; indeed, my first post on the subject was a response to your post which said this:
“Perhaps this needs a thread of its own about Usmanov but let's not forget that whilst it would be nice to have a mega rich owner(s) and compete in the future he/they will go one day (he's 64 now)”

Anyway, as stated, I believe if Everton put things in place to improve their present they will have a much greater chance of safeguarding their future, and one of those things would be acquiring an owner/investor with the financial muscle to get things done and to generate success.
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July 28, 2018, 10:56:35 PM
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“Perhaps this needs a thread of its own about Usmanov but let's not forget that whilst it would be nice to have a mega rich owner(s) and compete in the future he/they will go one day (he's 64 now)”
I have just looked at that yet again and dying is not mentioned!!!!!! Perhaps someone else can check and see?
I presume you interpret 'going' as dying whereas the actual meaning of the word is leaving. At 64 years of age he will probably be leaving within 10 - 15 years. Maybe not or maybe he doesn't come at all. That would mean he couldn't 'go' which might further mean that if 'going' really means 'dying' he is immortal.  There's a tempting thought an immortal sugar daddy.
Lighten up. 😀
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July 28, 2018, 10:59:56 PM
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Get a fucking room :)

July 28, 2018, 11:02:58 PM
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You morbid pair of fuckers give it a rest, just hope Usmanov ain't reading this, it sounds like his obituary !  lolol. Call it a draw lads and move on.
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July 29, 2018, 12:16:58 PM
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eugene


Why didn’t I just leave the thread simmering

July 29, 2018, 12:31:20 PM
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No you killed him first. no you did. No it was you. Not it was you. No you. No you.

Scary thing is Shrop is in his 70’s and Sam in his forties.

HAHA!!!!

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July 29, 2018, 06:09:22 PM
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Toddacelli


So no updates then?
    

I'm only here for the cladding/Bramley Moore Dock updates

July 29, 2018, 06:16:07 PM
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sam of the south


Most bizarre exchange ever.

Semantics about a geezer leaving Everton/the mortal coil at 64.

McCartney.

You’re a strange cat, @Shropshire Blue, I’ll give you that 🤜🏼

And, with all due respect to the Usmanov’s, whether you meant leaving the club or leaving the earth, the impact on Everton would be the same: he gone! 👋🏼

« Last Edit: July 29, 2018, 06:45:37 PM by sam of the south »
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July 29, 2018, 06:17:21 PM
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Ross


So no updates then?


Still nothing on the stadium but for Usmanov every day’s a blessing.
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