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December 21, 2018, 12:56:49 AM
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Macca77


I can't hide my disappointment about this at all


December 21, 2018, 12:57:56 AM
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52000 screaming Evertonians over 52000 and a gang of visiting twats with no interest any day

December 21, 2018, 01:06:49 AM
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Will be interesting to see the years figures if they are realeased properly to see what the proportion of revenue is generated by seat.

I think we’d probably get better growth out of higher league positions, European runs, signing international toothbrush partners and the like, comparable shirt sponsor and manufacturing deals etc.
I knew that someday I was going to die, and I knew that before I died, two things would happen to me. That number one; I would regret my entire life, and number two; that I would want to live my life over again.


December 21, 2018, 01:07:44 AM
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Will be interesting to see the years figures if they are realeased properly to see what the proportion of revenue is generated by seat.

I think we’d probably get better growth out of higher league positions, European runs, signing international toothbrush partners and the like, comparable shirt sponsor and manufacturing deals etc.

last year we were one of 9 (I think it was) clubs who could have given away every seat for every game and still made a profit.

doubt that has changed much.

December 21, 2018, 01:08:57 AM
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Said all along I would be happy with 55'00 capacity, so a little bit disappointing that this fell a measly 3'000 seats short of this. 55'000 would have been in my view an idealistic starting figure, that would have made most Evertonians reasonably happy, especially with the added sweetener of a proposed increase to 62'000 in the future. 55'000 would put us up with the big boys, joint fifth largest in the PL. I mean 52'000 isn't the end of the world, but 3'000 more is surely feasible and not a lot more to ask in cost or the grand scheme of things.
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December 21, 2018, 01:12:07 AM
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Lpool only went to 54k until they knew (and it’s still not that imminent) they could afford to expand beyond it and they’ve got much more chance of filling 60k than we have.

Comparisons with West Ham are pointless as a) they’re in London, b) they got their ground on the cheap and c) because of b) they can afford to heavily discount tickets which is lucky as if they had to charge Spurs prices they’d get 35k tops.

Spurs again are in London and charge at least double what we do.


December 21, 2018, 01:17:27 AM
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Being billy big bollocks about higher capacity is all very well when you have zero responsibilities when it comes to whether a bigger one or not is actually affordable.

As if you build it bigger and never sell the seats it’s actually a negative when it comes to spending money.

December 21, 2018, 01:22:29 AM
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Being billy big bollocks about higher capacity is all very well when you have zero responsibilities when it comes to whether a bigger one or not is actually affordable.

As if you build it bigger and never sell the seats it’s actually a negative when it comes to spending money.

Some having a who's got a bigger dick contest about our capacity... Ridiculous.

December 21, 2018, 01:25:39 AM
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Said all along I would be happy with 55'00 capacity, so a little bit disappointing that this fell a measly 3'000 seats short of this. 55'000 would have been in my view an idealistic starting figure, that would have made most Evertonians reasonably happy, especially with the added sweetener of a proposed increase to 62'000 in the future. 55'000 would put us up with the big boys, joint fifth largest in the PL. I mean 52'000 isn't the end of the world, but 3'000 more is surely feasible and not a lot more to ask in cost or the grand scheme of things.

Why?It is just a number and you can be sure that the 52,000 really is the optimum figure knowing what they know ,not what we think we know .On the latest figures released about Mr Moshiri's financial input you can rest assured he will have sorted the optimum figure not just had it pulled out of a hat .

December 21, 2018, 01:28:56 AM
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Oh my god the business matters lads have fully lost it.
Hey there mister can you tell me what happened to the seeds I've sown
Can you give me a reason sir as to why they've never grown

December 21, 2018, 01:32:06 AM
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Oh my god the business matters lads have fully lost it.

They just throwing out made up/guessed numbers again? Pretending like they have access to Evertons accounting details?

December 21, 2018, 01:33:33 AM
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I expected the capacity to be a little more but knowing there are caveats in place to increase it has to be seen as a positive.

Remains to be seen how many of the 10k on the waiting list take up the offer.
Also we don't know if the away end capacity is likely to increase or stay the same.

Possibly only selling out games against the RS and Man.Utd. Cautious approach by the club to see how things pan out with 52k and increase at a later time if demand outstrips supply.

December 21, 2018, 01:35:54 AM
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I've been told by someone pretty close to this that once you go over 52k, the costs increase exponentially. Not just on a structural level with the stadium, but the work (and negotiations with eg HE) needed to be done to disperse 52k becomes much more difficult too.

It's a case of a 52k seater there or having to do it elsewhere. The club think the profile of that site is worth it. Though for what it's worth, I'm told there's an opportunity to increase capacity a bit with safe standing.

Those problems with EH and crowd dispersal aren’t going to go away in the future though are they. In fact if the area gets developed like Peel having been saying gaining planning permission to increase the capacity in the future will only be tougher.

Wolves plans have been in place for at least a decade and are actually overdue thanks to their previous relegation. The stadium is done while they are a Premier League club. Development stops when they are relegated.

They have the benefit of being a one club town too.

Well let’s be honest we don’t realistically have to worry about dropping out the league given our record so that shouldn’t be a factor for us.

Who cares what other clubs capacity's are, it's not a competition to see who can have the biggest stadium? You only need to look at Arsenal and Man City as prime examples of successful big clubs that look awful on a matchday when there's thousands of empty seats. We could build 100k seater stadium, there's not point if it's only going to be half full.

The club haven't just picked a number our of thin air, they'll have done proper research into it, gathered lots of data and looked into how much other clubs get an increase when they move, whether there's a spike and then a drop off after it. They're not just going to build a bigger stadium just because some blokes on the internet wanted more seats so that we're as big as other stadiums. Affordability will have come into it too, build a state of the art 52k stadium on budget or build a 62k stadium, end up going over budget and have to cut corners and then affecting our spending on the pitch. Spurs, the apparent benchmark club financially have gone over budget, had to borrow more and are now 4 months late in getting into their stadium and no date yet to start using it and have rarely hit 60k at Wembley even before a capacity limit was set.

There's no point quoting other clubs capacity when most of the clubs with bigger stadiums have been successful recently and still can't fill them.

Other clubs ability to earn more money should be a massive concern. It’s no coincidence that clubs with higher capacities have great ability to generate more match day income than us, and that’ll always be the case if we don’t at least try and match them at some point.
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December 21, 2018, 01:36:39 AM
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Oh my god the business matters lads have fully lost it.

See it’s stuff like this.

Yes they’ve done sums etc but they don’t know that the amount of people they say will turn up, will turn up.

Every year.

The club will have a much better idea re the likelihood of people who go to 2/3 games per season turning into season ticket holders etc.

December 21, 2018, 01:41:11 AM
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See it's stuff like this.

Yes they've done sums etc but they don't know that the amount of people they say will turn up, will turn up.

Every year.

The club will have a much better idea re the likelihood of people who go to 2/3 games per season turning into season ticket holders etc.
Bedroom accountants, as someone at Everton labelled them not long ago

Still got access to the Russian on the board though, but when you own / have a part in most of the fan media then you can demand that....