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May 11, 2019, 01:37:06 AM
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Yeah, I'm not convinced it needs to be restricted to be honest.

There is room for a car park in between the stadium and the river for a start, and towards the city is a fucking huge empty plot of land. Like twice the size of BMD.

And I don't bother reading what Meis says these days to be honest. It's all scripted and choreographed by the club. Except for when he favourites porn tweets late at night.
....................if you mean Nelson Dock and it's environs I didn't know that was part of Everton's plans or even within our control. 
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May 11, 2019, 02:17:59 AM
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....................if you mean Nelson Dock and it's environs I didn't know that was part of Everton's plans or even within our control.
It will be part of the wider development which will, likely, include car parking etc. Could probably get away with not putting one on the waterfront and reducing our footprint on purpose I reckon.

May 11, 2019, 02:55:12 AM
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This is from Peel's Liverpool Waters document and only shows the stadium in a purely schematic version.The size looks to be exaggerated but the stadium site is nevertheless constrained by water on three sides and a listed dock wall on the other.

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May 11, 2019, 03:10:39 AM
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This is from Peel's Liverpool Waters document and only shows the stadium in a purely schematic version.The size looks to be exaggerated but the stadium site is nevertheless constrained by water on three sides and a listed dock wall on the other.
So you build a plynth

Probably roughly the same in price to filling in a Dock, and can overlap wherever it's allowed. Also raises the floor level so the wall of the land can remain intact and untouched.

Having seen what will likely form a large part of the plans from the official Everton document earlier this year, we've all seen the waste of land in action.

If, as expected, the plans are unveiled ahead of a planning application and as part of the second phase of consultation, then it's fairly safe to assume its all done and dusted before now. That, along with the fact that Everton were fuming about the leaked document, would lead me to believe that the document was very close to the real thing.

I'm not overwhelmed by that. There were some nice touches, but it misses a trick or two. Wasting land by putting a fucking car park between the stadium and the water is just one of them. Reducing the foot print like that on purpose is just bizarre.

Hopefully the designs improve since that document was drawn up

May 11, 2019, 03:11:58 AM
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This is from Peel's Liverpool Waters document and only shows the stadium in a purely schematic version.The size looks to be exaggerated but the stadium site is nevertheless constrained by water on three sides and a listed dock wall on the other.
The six sided clock isn't surrounded by water currently by the way. That picture has had a Dock recreated which doesn't currently exist.

May 11, 2019, 03:14:59 AM
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Ross


More seats mean more washrooms, more exits, more stairs, more concession stands, more staff, more security, more concrete, more steel, more rebar...........

People need to get over the 52k number.



Youíre right. So saying that after the initial build it can to expanded doesnít really ring true does it? Pretty sure I read Meis say itís not really feasible early on as well. Neither does the idea that safe standing will increase the capacity if itís a 1:1 ratio.

If it starts at 52k and itís a 1:1 ratio thatís all itíll ever be going by whatís been said.
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May 11, 2019, 05:10:49 AM
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The six sided clock isn't surrounded by water currently by the way. That picture has had a Dock recreated which doesn't currently exist.
...............I think you are mistaken on this point.  The dockers clock stands at the river entrance to Salisbury Dock ,completely surrounded by water. 
As for the car park between the stadium and the river ,this is surely a non-starter . Matchday access would be almost impossible. There wouldn't be much room anyway due to the channnel that has to be maintained between the docks .

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May 11, 2019, 01:22:04 PM
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...............I think you are mistaken on this point.  The dockers clock stands at the river entrance to Salisbury Dock ,completely surrounded by water. 
As for the car park between the stadium and the river ,this is surely a non-starter . Matchday access would be almost impossible. There wouldn't be much room anyway due to the channnel that has to be maintained between the docks .



Apart from anything else, why would you block out the main point about being by the river both from views looking at the waterfront and also views from inside the stadium.

May 11, 2019, 01:34:23 PM
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...............I think you are mistaken on this point.  The dockers clock stands at the river entrance to Salisbury Dock ,completely surrounded by water. 
As for the car park between the stadium and the river ,this is surely a non-starter . Matchday access would be almost impossible. There wouldn't be much room anyway due to the channnel that has to be maintained between the docks .
You'd hope it wasn't happening and that the club had told Meis to remove it.

As has been said often enough though, it's the hope that kills you.

May 12, 2019, 11:02:33 PM
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May 13, 2019, 12:47:04 AM
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May 14, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
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Toddacelli


Meis is such a dock-tease!     lolol




Can't take credit for that one - but it cracks me up     lolol
    

I'm only here for the cladding/Bramley Moore Dock updates

May 29, 2019, 09:54:12 PM
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Trowel


Short interview with Dan Meis about designing the Roma stadium, and the way English grounds grew over time and were less expensive to build than going straight out and building a huge stadium, hint hint.


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-architect-dan-meis-talks-16349291

"Our most recent project is a new stadium for Everton Football Club in Liverpool.

"It has all of the incredible hallmarks of history, from a very historic club, a very passionate fan base, a very strong rivalry between Everton and the crosstown club Liverpool and we have a very interesting site that is part of a dock that's part of a UNESCO World Heritage site.

"So we're actually filling the dock and building the stadium on the dock itself and it becomes a big, iconic skyline element for Liverpool as cruise ships come up and down the Mersey so it has a little bit of everything and we're very excited about it."
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May 30, 2019, 05:42:49 PM
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I think Dan the man has really taken to the club and fans ,you can hear it in his voice .We had one of the best stadiums in the 60's but we have to realise that we will not this time , life is what it is and we all dream of winning the lottery but few do .I hope the fans who go (I live abroad now and never go back to the UK) can just appreciate what we get .No I am not saying it will be shit but it won't be the Etihad either nor the New White Hart lane .Enough to say it will be special because those driving it have their hearts and souls in it .

May 30, 2019, 06:33:04 PM
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I think Dan the man has really taken to the club and fans ,you can hear it in his voice .We had one of the best stadiums in the 60's but we have to realise that we will not this time , life is what it is and we all dream of winning the lottery but few do .I hope the fans who go (I live abroad now and never go back to the UK) can just appreciate what we get .No I am not saying it will be shit but it won't be the Etihad either nor the New White Hart lane .Enough to say it will be special because those driving it have their hearts and souls in it .
I think we will get a good stadium but I can live without the architect (who will lead a team, he ain't doing this solo is he) being pawed over and doing all kinds of PR shite

Just give us the drawings you have clearly already done and let us build it lad