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April 26, 2017, 12:32:31 AM
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Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:

In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.

The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country. 

 :clap:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent



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April 26, 2017, 12:59:39 AM
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Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:

In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.

The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country. 

 :clap:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent





That's pretty amazing really... 109 scouts sounds a lot but you sell one John Stones and you've covered their wages 10 times over for a decade.


April 26, 2017, 06:31:46 PM
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Not U-23 specific, but there was a great piece on the OS the other week about the Academy and how we bring youth through - the line about how we've expanded our scouting network caught my eye:

In the past two-and-a-half years, the national and international scouting network has expanded from nine scouts to 109 working across the UK and at all major international youth tournaments.

The goal, now achievable, is to scout every team of each of the 92 Football League clubs from Under-9 to Under-16 every season; effectively to know every single professional youth player in the country. 

 :clap:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/04/18/cultivating-talent






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April 26, 2017, 06:42:01 PM
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Kind of like City do with scouting everywhere but they seem to throw obscene amounts of money at everyone, set them up in a private school, look after their parents and they still can't even get even one in their first team.

Mate of mine his kid has been offered a place at their academy with an offer to pay for his private education and all kinds of other incentives. It's tempting for my mate to recommend he take it as even if he doesn't make it, which is likely, he's had access to an education and experience he'd otherwise not have been able to get close to.

April 28, 2017, 04:37:27 AM
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they seem to throw obscene amounts of money at everyone

Isn't that what you have to do now? That's what Liverpool got in trouble for not doing.

If you want to offer one kid free school as a deal sweetener cos he looks the dogs bollocks then you've got to offer the same to every kid in your academy.

Great for the kids, and not like the football clubs can't afford it.

April 28, 2017, 04:48:37 PM
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Isn't that what you have to do now? That's what Liverpool got in trouble for not doing.

If you want to offer one kid free school as a deal sweetener cos he looks the dogs bollocks then you've got to offer the same to every kid in your academy.

Great for the kids, and not like the football clubs can't afford it.

Hasn't worked out too great for them so far, throwing money at every bit of talent they spot. City just hoover up every kid who stands out in the whole area and hope one of them turns out to be a star. Have done for the past decade. Nothing even makes the bench, barring Iheanacho, and even he's been sidelined now.

They're a strange club who are kind of lost in who they are and what they are trying to achieve.. They spend vast amounts on their academy and youth recruitment but then give their managers unlimited funds to buy a trophy. I know a few people on their coaching staff at that level and they're a bit disillusioned with what they're expected to achieve and where the continuity is from one level to the next.

Although we only just beat them to the U-23 title it looks like we're miles apart in the model we operate. Probably by necessity but still, at least kids can see the career progression.

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April 28, 2017, 06:06:34 PM
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April 28, 2017, 06:08:04 PM
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Anybody going to the game next Monday?

April 28, 2017, 06:20:21 PM
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April 28, 2017, 08:36:13 PM
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We shouldn't get too excited about seeing any of these players make the step up next season then...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-koeman-dampens-expectation-12959825

April 28, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
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We shouldn't get too excited about seeing any of these players make the step up next season then...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-koeman-dampens-expectation-12959825

Watched the presser and he was pretty harsh about any of the youngsters chances

April 28, 2017, 08:42:04 PM
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Watched the presser and he was pretty harsh about any of the youngsters chances

He's got a point though. We've already seen five kids step up to the first team this season, with varying success, and they'll all probably stay there for next season. To make the next jump to a top 4 challenge we need players who can make an impact and win games not just take part in games. That costs big money though. Over to you Steve. 

April 28, 2017, 08:52:07 PM
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He said the same thing about Davies too at the start of the season. When they'll be ready, they'll hopefully be given a chance.
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April 28, 2017, 09:15:20 PM
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He's got a point though. We've already seen five kids step up to the first team this season, with varying success, and they'll all probably stay there for next season. To make the next jump to a top 4 challenge we need players who can make an impact and win games not just take part in games. That costs big money though. Over to you Steve. 

Said this at the game on Sat.

We've got no guarantees as options on the bench in the attacking areas.

It's good for youngsters to play ahead of people like Kone or equivalents as they'd be wasted minutes but if we're going to make bigger strides more quickly we need players who you know are going to be able to produce.

In reality our front 3 has Lukaku as a natural and performing fit; Barkley who has found a niche on the right and improved his decision making and creative play at home but still doesn't score enough; and on the left has been a rotation of players who for varying reasons haven't been good enough often enough.

That's without the plan that we'd have 2/3 subs who theoretically should be challenging the 3 starting players for their places.

So then bear in mind that the youngsters in the u23 team are behind those who are in and around the first team.

April 28, 2017, 09:16:33 PM
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He said the same thing about Davies too at the start of the season. When they'll be ready, they'll hopefully be given a chance.

Yes.

Plus the end of the season (winning something or not) isn't some sort of qualifying milestone.

It doesn't mean that players now have to be ready or that's it.