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May 09, 2019, 05:02:31 PM
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Players are coming through and we’re winning things, don’t know what the issue is?

Extremely unfair to call unsworths football ‘hoofball’. Maybe it’s changed now, but that team he had of dowell, Davies, Kenny etc played good football.
Hey there mister can you tell me what happened to the seeds I've sown
Can you give me a reason sir as to why they've never grown


May 09, 2019, 05:06:32 PM
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City sold 13 youngsters, that had 33 first team appearances between them, for £136m.

Chelsea make between £50m and £100m every season, loaning players, most of which are youth team players.

Liverpool sold Danny Ward for £10m and have Woodburn, Wilson, Grujic - who are all worth 8 figures. How much would they get for TAA in this market?

Obviously, those teams have greater resources - but that’s what we should aspire to. Not get excited because a load of future League 1 players have won a few trophies.


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How many of those players City and Chelsea sold or are loaned out weren’t actually from their academy originally? Even the four Liverpool ones you’ve mentioned there’s at least 1 who isn’t from their academy.

Chelsea up until RLC hadn’t produce anything from their academy for 20 years even though they’ve spent hundreds of millions on it. City have spent hundreds of millions on theirs and all they’ve got to show for it is Foden and he could go either way. Same with the shite and TAA, who was their last academy graduate to become a regular for them? Gerrard? 20 something years ago?

If he hadn’t chose to go to Chelsea we’d still have Barkley, after years of Osman and Hibbert (people may have differing opinions on them but they both had 10+ years as premier league players for a top 5/6/7 club) and it looks promising Davies will do the same. That’s better than any other club you’ve mentioned easily, without the hundreds of millions they’ve all poured into their academy’s over the last 20 odd years.

This current crop may or may not produce a star or two for us but it’s more likely they will compared to who you want us to be like.
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May 09, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
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Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .

Everton 'supporters' that.

Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .

In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
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May 09, 2019, 05:10:57 PM
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City and Chelsea have the resources available to stockpile youngsters with no intention of ever playing them.

Poor comparison imo.
Hey there mister can you tell me what happened to the seeds I've sown
Can you give me a reason sir as to why they've never grown

May 09, 2019, 05:12:54 PM
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Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .

Everton 'supporters' that.

Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .

In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
Great post


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May 09, 2019, 05:22:59 PM
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How many of those players City and Chelsea sold or are loaned out weren't actually from their academy originally? Even the four Liverpool ones you've mentioned there's at least 1 who isn't from their academy.

Chelsea up until RLC hadn't produce anything from their academy for 20 years even though they've spent hundreds of millions on it. City have spent hundreds of millions on theirs and all they've got to show for it is Foden and he could go either way. Same with the shite and TAA, who was their last academy graduate to become a regular for them? Gerrard? 20 something years ago?

If he hadn't chose to go to Chelsea we'd still have Barkley, after years of Osman and Hibbert (people may have differing opinions on them but they both had 10+ years as premier league players for a top 5/6/7 club) and it looks promising Davies will do the same. That's better than any other club you've mentioned easily, without the hundreds of millions they've all poured into their academy's over the last 20 odd years.

This current crop may or may not produce a star or two for us but it's more likely they will compared to who you want us to be like.
You’re missing the point. Their academies may not produce players for the first team, but the money those players generate (in transfers and loan fees), goes towards players that improve the club.


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May 09, 2019, 05:28:17 PM
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City and Chelsea have the resources available to stockpile youngsters with no intention of ever playing them.

Poor comparison imo.
It’s not comparison - it’s what we should aspire to. It’s having a plan, rather than just waiting for the next Rooney to emerge.




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May 09, 2019, 05:30:18 PM
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Ffs the young lads do the double and people on here complain because we don't crank a Rooney out every year .

Everton 'supporters' that.

Chelsea Liverpool etc etc pay rediculous amounts for poaching their youth ....which we have only just started doing ...it takes time .

In the meantime i am enjoying the u23's success and the games out with the grandkids building their relationship with footy .....it's not all about money ...when it's plain to see we are progressing .
The ‘modern football’ debate, is another issue.


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May 09, 2019, 05:54:23 PM
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You’re missing the point. Their academies may not produce players for the first team, but the money those players generate (in transfers and loan fees), goes towards players that improve the club.


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I don’t think I am. Your original point started off by saying we don’t have a “great strike rate”  then went onto say the u23s should be about “bringing youngsters into the first team”.

Then you brought up other clubs and their academy’s saying how profitable they are but ignoring how much they’ve spent the past 20 years on signing these lads in whilst never producing anybody for their first teams.

We've probably the best academy in the country that’s not just shown now by the u23’s winning two trophies this season it’s been shown over the last 20+ years when we’ve been producing footballers for the first team far more regularly than others on a fraction of the budget and offering lots of kids who don’t make it here a pathway into the professional game.
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May 09, 2019, 06:08:34 PM
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I don’t think I am. Your original point started off by saying we don’t have a “great strike rate”  then went onto say the u23s should be about “bringing youngsters into the first team”.

Then you brought up other clubs and their academy’s saying how profitable they are but ignoring how much they’ve spent the past 20 years on signing these lads in whilst never producing anybody for their first teams.

We've probably the best academy in the country that’s not just shown now by the u23’s winning two trophies this season it’s been shown over the last 20+ years when we’ve been producing footballers for the first team far more regularly than others on a fraction of the budget and offering lots of kids who don’t make it here a pathway into the professional game.

The greatest academy in the country? That’s a daft claim. We’ve had Rooney in an age that could make an impact for a top side. Liverpool Owen Fowler Sterling gerrard TAA etc etc etc. We produce lots of okay players. We aren’t close to producing anything like the quality they have

May 09, 2019, 06:12:07 PM
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It’s not comparison - it’s what we should aspire to. It’s having a plan, rather than just waiting for the next Rooney to emerge.




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We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.

Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.

City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.

 
Hey there mister can you tell me what happened to the seeds I've sown
Can you give me a reason sir as to why they've never grown

May 09, 2019, 06:15:21 PM
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The greatest academy in the country? That’s a daft claim. We’ve had Rooney in an age that could make an impact for a top side. Liverpool Owen Fowler Sterling gerrard TAA etc etc etc. We produce lots of okay players. We aren’t close to producing anything like the quality they have

Fowler was 25+ years back, Owen pretty much the same, Gerrard 20+ years ago also and Sterling was brought in for a lot of money at 16.

Basically a lifetime ago Liverpool were producing quality players until TAA and he’s only just began and his career could go either way at such a young age.
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May 09, 2019, 06:28:44 PM
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Fowler was 25+ years back, Owen pretty much the same, Gerrard 20+ years ago also and Sterling was brought in for a lot of money at 16.

Basically a lifetime ago Liverpool were producing quality players until TAA and he’s only just began and his career could go either way at such a young age.


The post I quoted said 20 plus years proof we’ve got the best youth system in the country. In recent times we’ve spent money on buying youth talent in too.

The reality is we’ve produced 1 champions league level player in probably 25 plus years. It’s not good. We make a lot of okay footballers who have decent careers.

May 09, 2019, 06:37:10 PM
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The post I quoted said 20 plus years proof we’ve got the best youth system in the country. In recent times we’ve spent money on buying youth talent in too.

The reality is we’ve produced 1 champions league level player in probably 25 plus years. It’s not good. We make a lot of okay footballers who have decent careers.

Yeah and you’re going back 25 years for Fowler and Owen and then including Sterling who was bought for something like £6m as a 16 year old.

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May 09, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
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We have a plan, and that will become a lot more effective with Brands in charge.

Our plan is to integrate a way of playing from the under 9s right through to the first team, creating a clear pathway for players good enough to become members of the first team.

City and Chelsea just stockpile young players and sell them on for inflated fees with no intention of ever developing them.

Obviously Brands was (in part) brought in to overhaul the youth set-up.


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