Have we? We are shite and you'd have to assume they aren't quite as bad
Worth noting plenty of teams have gone through with 8 points or less. I can see us picking up at least 7 points from the 4 games we have left.
Liverpool didn't win until the fourth group game in 2015/16, ended up topping the group and ultimately getting to the final. I'm not saying we're definitely going to get through but calling the fourth group game a dead rubber is a bit pessimistic. We're not in the ideal position but far from out of it.