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October 02, 2017, 12:16:36 AM
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I donít see why he should get off the hook, considering the mess we are in so thought Iíd start this.

Apart from bullying a couple of poorer teams out of their well established, better players, what has he achieved since being here?

After the dross Martinez signed and saddled Koeman with, we adopted the DoF approach - to provide more continuity and structure to our recruitment policy. If at any point we decide to change manager (which is looking increasingly likely), the new one should be able to slot in nicely, with a top squad at his disposal. Is this the case?

October 02, 2017, 12:42:58 AM
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The signings have been hit-and-miss for sure but none of us actually know the division of responsibility in terms of scouting and recruiting players. We can only speculate as to who is responsible for our shoddy recruitment.
Surely a DoF means someone IS now accountable?

October 02, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
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As far as I am aware he doesn't pick the team so on that basis we can have less of a case for him facing the boot than the man whose job it is to motivate the players and send them out in a workable system.
To motivate the likes of Niasse, Vasic and DCL? Not exactly world-beaters.

October 02, 2017, 12:47:32 AM
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Just on the other side of the coin, the manager would have an easier job if the required players had been brought in for him.

Note: Koeman should be doing better regardless of course.

October 02, 2017, 05:14:43 AM
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Sounds very sensible.

My first problem with the 'Should we sack Walsh?' thread is this:

Does anybody know exactly what his remit is, what his targets are and what he is measured against?

My second problem is this:

Does anyone actually know if he is achieving his targets, under-performing, over-achieving or failing?

Basically at this stage I have not heard anything to say if he is doing a good job or a bad job so what would calls to sack him even be based on?

I think itís relatively certain that when a club creates a DoF role for a chief scout, heís going to be in charge of recruitment. Otherwise heíd just be hired as scout/chief scout.

And Iíd say not bringing in a Lukaku replacement over the course of 3 transfer windows and not signing a left back - is doing a bad job. Heís essentially hamstrung the manager - and any future manager.

October 02, 2017, 05:22:04 AM
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October 02, 2017, 02:56:18 PM
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Hardly anyone he's bought is shit. We've just got no thought out system for any of them to perform in. That's the managers fault.
We were all fucking made up when we signed Pickford, Keane, Klassen, Sandro, and Rooney and with good reason. All the right age (bar rooney) and all had great seasons last season (bar rooney). Rooney made sense for experience in Europe and for the younger players.
Signing Sigurdsson created more problems for the team than we could ever have known, and we doubled that up by not replacing Lukaku. Add the lack of a system to no pace or width and Ashley Williams being picked every fucking week and there you have it. A big fat list of fuck ups, that Koeman is totally to blame for.
...or the manager had a system planned but the head of recruitment didnít buy him the players he needed to implement it

October 27, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
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More and more articles flying around pointing the finger at Walsh and his accountability in Koemanís sacking. I think anything less than a great January transfer window will see him sacked, too. He should be getting players lined-up now but not sure how he can when we donít have a manager to consult.

October 27, 2017, 03:46:48 PM
Reply #8


Articles are there to sell papers and create discussion. It may even be a bit of subtle game play on Koeman's part to leak details to try and salvage his reputation for his next position.

Of course we didn't have a great window but over 50% of the signings I would imagine were Koeman's and how he utilised them was poor in the extreme.
Be interesting if we scrap his role if we do let him go or persist with a DoF.

October 27, 2017, 04:03:06 PM
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Having a high-profile manager and a lesser know, sycophantic DoF whoís just grateful to be there, wasnít the best pairing. The manager should be accountable to the DoF and the DoF should be a big enough personality to tell the manager where to go if he suggests signing of the Martina standard.

October 28, 2017, 01:24:03 PM
Reply #10


Thought it's fairly obvious what he does and what his remit is.

He's responsible for recruitment, scouting and long term value of the squad. Basically authority on player trading, with a view to increasing the value of the squad through transfers.

From there each DoF and manager has a different relationship, with some DoF more willing to bend or accomodate.

But Giroud is a fairly obvious bone of contention for a DoF. He's going to cost a fair amount of money and he's going to take time away from young players who could be developing. At the end he will have minimal resale value.

I think the best way to judge Walsh is on the transfers. All of them, because ultimately he is not just individually responsible in most cases, but holistically responsible.

I think we are in a similar period to other teams before who have done wholesale changes to first team squad. There is little identity or cohesion and it falls apart every way you cut it.

But I think in terms of Walsh remit, I think he's identified a lot of young talented players.

Last summer we signed established players, Williams, Gana, Bolasie. But in Jan we added Lookman and DCL. This summer we've added Pickford, Keane, Klaassen, Vlasic, Sandro, Onyekuru. All players intended to go into first team, but their first major move.

I don't see Cuco, Rooney or Sigurdsson as our problems. Rooney has chipped in with goals, and we shouldn't have been expecting him to carry the team and I'd rather he stopped trying to same extent. Sigurdsson looks a turd in the punch bowl because of the fee, but actually he's a very useful player if used to his strengths. Cuco has got a fair amount of stick, because Koeman liked him, but he cost next to sod all and he's got an engine that allows us to link play, I've seen worse defenders.

I think time will prove that Walsh acquired good players, I think for Koeman, there just wasn't enough off the shelf options immediately. Part of Walsh's remit is to look at development and longer term to avoid too many Rooney's, Giroud's coming in. We've got a lot of more experienced players since Walsh's arrival, so it's not like he's averse to experience. About half the players we've bought have been 26 or over.
Walsh has bought some very good players and we certainly have some youngsters who can go all the way. My issues with him are:

1. Allowed too much turnover of playing staff
2. Hasnít addressed glaring issues such as striker and LB
3. Hasnít signed a low profile Ďwho the fuck is he? Oh, heís really fucking good!í player from abroad - whereís the scouting genius?

As much as not getting a striker grabs the headlines, itís only having one LB at the club which really pisses me off. Itís bordering on gross negligence. And itís not like weíre short of money? If Walsh canít find a young LB that can share Bainesí workload with a view to establishing himself as a starter, then whyís he here?

October 28, 2017, 05:55:43 PM
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So the question to follow on would be, just how much of negotiating is Steve Walsh responsible for.

If he identifies the individual, conducts some due diligence on the quality of his data, who is responsible for getting the negotiations over the line.

Because if they are shit, and I am specifically looking at Kenwright and his team, Steve has no control over that.

We have no doubt all had incompetent bosses who no matter the quality of info you give them still fuck it up. And IF Steve is in the same position, then I feel for him.
Walsh was in Milan negotiating deals. Nothing transpired.

October 30, 2017, 03:53:38 AM
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Everyone involved in that shambolic summer should be gone
Which one? We had two, donít forget.

November 03, 2017, 02:48:49 AM
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Surely the first thing Koeman said to Walsh was Ďfind me the next VVD, the next Mane, the next Pelleí? Not easy but I donít get why we ended up with some of the players we did and why I blame Walsh more than Koeman. RK was left with players that canít play the way heís historically set his teams up...which defies logic and is surely indicative of interference from Walsh/Moshiri.

November 03, 2017, 01:06:04 PM
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Almost all of those players fall into the past it or not ready category. The rest: good but have barely shown it in an Everton shirt or not for ages. In goal is the only positioned day weíre fine; good, young number 1 with experienced back-up.