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October 16, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
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This is why i think all the criticism of Koeman is a bit over the top, he has to take some responsibility but it was almost suicide what the board did to him. Sacking Koeman wont change results as the players arent there to score goals, im afraid to say it, but my view is were going to have to buckle our seat belts cause weve got a bumpy few months until January comes, although even then I dont see any decent striker wanting to come?

Yeh but come on, have we really got the fifth worst squad in the league? Are we really not able to fashion a functioning side out of 240m worth of signings over 18 months? We've got probably the most promising bunch of youngsters in the country to go along with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of internationals and we still can't beat a bunch of Cypriot journeymen, Burnley or Brighton?

I get what you're saying about the striker situation, it was negligent in the extreme, but let's not use that as an excuse for all the failings we've seen since August.

October 16, 2017, 05:55:40 PM
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I agree that he has to take some of the blame, but you could argue that its strikers that win you games and were probably not far off having the 5th worst strike force in the league?
There is an element of irony in this forum too, if you look at the topics lately we've discussed strikers, Williams and Baines as not being enough (or arguments the other way), but these were the exact areas Koeman stated when he said:

Asked if he was confident of getting in his outstanding targets, he replied: “I'm always confident because we did some good business.

“Everyone knows, the board knows the importance of those two signings.”

We can go round in circles all day about whose to blame but my personal view is this is failure is much bigger than Koeman and hes being made a scapegoat for the boards failure. Without having a crystal ball I would hazard a guess if we had any of these strikers (that we could have got) Hernandez, Abraham, Rodriguez, Defoe, Llorente, Jese, Ihanacho we'd be in a much healthier position than we are

I don't disagree but you work with what you've got. Something clearly isn't right though in the setup at the minute. Players half arsed, no urgency, a formation that's anyone's best guess, everyone to a man playing below their usual standard. These are things that can only be solved on the training pitch and in the dressing room, which is Koeman's domain. Maybe his staff aren't working either, maybe it's a disconnect between management and the players. We don't know, but we do know something has to change.

October 16, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
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I expect the levels of frustration at Finch Farm is through the roof with players and managers. I bet a lot of the signings would have come here with the promise that were on the up and they will feel royally shat on, literally from above, its not going to make for a constructive positive environment, but you're right it is Koemans domain. However, when your training all week knowing the fact that you're toothless upfront plus any mistake at the back will mean you wont win a game as theres no chance we'll score 2 goals I bet its pretty demoralising all round

It probably is, which is why we need a change. What you're saying is it's a shite situation but Koeman isn't solely to blame so on that basis we should soldier on our downward descent and change nothing.

It really doesn't matter who is or who isn't to blame, the current situation isn't working. So as binning Walsh won't change anything on the pitch and hauling a few of the scouts over the coals won't materially change our results either then the buck stops with Koeman. The highly paid man tasked with results in a results based business.

October 16, 2017, 06:37:42 PM
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Disagree, its been years of ineptitude at Everton and until we change the mentality of the club from the top it wont change. Walsh, if he is responsible for transfers, should have been sacked straight after transfer deadline day for what happened. People need to be held to account, there have been years and years of it from Kenwright and Elstone yet the same issue persist and the same personnel. I thought Moshiri as a business man would bring up those levels, and he has to some extent but even he leaves me questioning who does what especially his allegations that he stopped the Sisokko transfer as he wanted McCarthy to play? Dismissing the manager might have an impact but it wont help in the long run.

I don't deny we need to address the long term inherent issues in our unprofessionalism and small time mentality. I share similar concerns about Moshiri too. However we have a short term problem which needs fixing. We can't just pretend it isn't there and hope it rights itself in the face of no evidence whatsoever that it might do that. It's not inconceivable we lose the next three games, lose two of our shots at silverware this season and be in the bottom three. Any off field issues we have pale in comparison to the shitstorm on it that needs addressing.