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Who would you like in charge?

Marco Silva
Rafa Benitez
Brendan Rodgers
Eddie Howe
Mikel Arteta
Arsene Wenger
AN Other

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May 22, 2018, 03:58:45 AM
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It's one thing handing over a functional team to an untested manager such as if Guardiola was in hospital for a few weeks and Arteta took over, chances are Man City would autopilot their way to decent results.

It's quite another to hand over the squad as we have it right now to an inexperienced manager and expect a team to be built on their first try. It'd be a huge gamble. Seriously can't fathom it really.

Why even Arteta? If we're going by good Everton players then surely we should be giving Rooney the player/manager role.



May 22, 2018, 04:00:15 AM
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Defo a no on AVB from me. Got to know a lot more about his time at Spurs from my mate, and he played suicidally high lines and was completely inflexible to the point of being an ideologue (a more apt Martinez comparison than Silva).
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May 22, 2018, 04:00:22 AM
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I think people just want an excuse to sing the Follow, follow, follow.... song again.
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May 22, 2018, 04:08:16 AM
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Redartin


When you consider the amount of money this club has pissed away in managers in recent years we could have had Emery as manager with Silva and Arteta as head coaches. Keep everyone happy.

May 22, 2018, 04:09:53 AM
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If it's right about Arsenal going for Emery then it makes @BlueForYou 's early morning rant on Saturday even funnier. Pointless, but funny none the less. :)

May 22, 2018, 04:12:24 AM
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If he was ugly, born in Croydon and never played for us people wouldn't give him a second thought.

The Carlisle job's available, he should give that a go and see how he gets on.

This prove yourself in the lower leagues is bullshit thinking from 100 years ago and belongs in the past. people like Beckenbauer, Dalglish,  were brilliant managers straight from the get go. The best manager in the world cut his teeth as a coach. The next best, Zidane was also a reserve team coach. Some people have it. And if an individual has the the ability and is recognized as such by his peers it is stupid to pass it up just to make sure he can cut it the lower tier of the English leagues. We don't expect that from top players so why do it to managers?
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May 22, 2018, 04:26:33 AM
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Can't help but feel like the Arteta love is mostly sentimentality, over reason and logic.

Thinking about it a bit more, I wonder if there's something about identity in there as well. With the last few years of ups and mostly downs, a lot of people possibly feel like we've lost a bit of Everton identity and maybe the desire for Arteta has a bit of that in it. Bring back a familiar, popular face again and feel a bit more like Everton.

Oh and some people defo fancy him as well.
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May 22, 2018, 04:27:15 AM
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This prove yourself in the lower leagues is bullshit thinking from 100 years ago and belongs in the past. people like Beckenbauer, Dalglish,  were brilliant managers straight from the get go. The best manager in the world cut his teeth as a coach. The next best, Zidane was also a reserve team coach. Some people have it. And if an individual has the the ability and is recognized as such by his peers it is stupid to pass it up just to make sure he can cut it the lower tier of the English leagues. We don't expect that from top players so why do it to managers?

How many players have come pretty much straight from playing at top club, got the top job and made a success of it? It's bullshit, people mention Guardiola, Dalglish and Zidane but they're the exception rather than norm. Far too many blue tinted glasses on.

May 22, 2018, 04:29:45 AM
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How many players have come pretty much straight from playing at top club, got the top job and made a success of it? It's bullshit, people mention Guardiola, Dalglish and Zidane but they're the exception rather than norm. Far too many blue tinted glasses on.

It's not because he played for Everton. I think Viera is a really good option too. We need to find the next Pep, Zidane etc. We need to find the exception. it's going to take trial and error, we need to find the Pocchetino before he is at Spurs for example. otherwise we stuck fighting for 6th in perpetuity
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May 22, 2018, 04:32:27 AM
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It's not because he played for Everton. I think Viera is a really good option too. We need to find the next Pep, Zidane etc. We need to find the exception. it's going to take trial and error, we need to find the Pocchetino before he is at Spurs for example. otherwise we stuck fighting for 6th in perpetuity

Re Poch, he’d never finished higher than 8th in the league anywhere before he went to Spurs.

That sort of record wouldn’t preclude Silva from doing the same sort of progression. 

May 22, 2018, 04:33:10 AM
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Can't help but feel like the Arteta love is mostly sentimentality, over reason and logic.

Thinking about it a bit more, I wonder if there's something about identity in there as well. With the last few years of ups and mostly downs, a lot of people possibly feel like we've lost a bit of Everton identity and maybe the desire for Arteta has a bit of that in it. Bring back a familiar, popular face again and feel a bit more like Everton.

Oh and some people defo fancy him as well.

I think you’re right bd but I think the reason I’m willing to give arteta a go is because I find silva a bit underwhelming

May 22, 2018, 04:35:45 AM
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It's not because he played for Everton. I think Viera is a really good option too. We need to find the next Pep, Zidane etc. We need to find the exception. it's going to take trial and error, we need to find the Pocchetino before he is at Spurs for example. otherwise we stuck fighting for 6th in perpetuity

Is that a "not many" then?

On Veira, he's gone and cut his teeth in a lower quality league but apparently that's outdated. ;)

I'm not sold on Silva bit we can't afford "trial error" anymore, we've gone through 3 managers in recent years, cost a fortune in compo and spent a fortune on players. We need someone who will hit the ground running and hopefully with Brands build something here, not take a punt on a complete unknown as a manager.
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May 22, 2018, 04:38:13 AM
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Arteta is too big a risk at this stage in the clubs transformation imo. I think we should be interviewing everyone we've sounded out though. Then take what time we can afford to take, closed season, to get it right.
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May 22, 2018, 04:42:29 AM
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It's not because he played for Everton. I think Viera is a really good option too. We need to find the next Pep, Zidane etc. We need to find the exception. it's going to take trial and error, we need to find the Pocchetino before he is at Spurs for example. otherwise we stuck fighting for 6th in perpetuity
Not sure what you're getting at, given Pochettino had been a manager for over 5 years before he joined Spurs.

Let Arteta cut his teeth elsewhere.
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May 22, 2018, 04:42:33 AM
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Is that a "not many" then?

On Veira, he's gone and cut his teeth in a lower quality league but apparently that's outdated. ;)

I'm not sold on Silva bit we can't afford "trial error" anymore, we've gone through 3 managers in recent years, cost a fortune in compo and spent a fortune on players. We need someone who will hit the ground running and hopefully with Brands build something here, not take a punt on a complete unknown as a manager.

Silva isn't trial an error?

I don't think he is a bad appointment. He does seem to have his teams playing better quickly and hopefully he can sustain that with us. We have tried the tried and tested and it has failed. The closest we have come to the top was when we took a bit of a chance on Martinez.
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