August 15, 2018, 12:38:18 AM

Poll

Sign his new contract

Yes.
111 (24.1%)
No.
80 (17.4%)
Will wait to see what happens with the new management position.
89 (19.3%)
He's already on his bike and he's off.
181 (39.3%)

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Author Topic: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?  (Read 38105 times)

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October 24, 2017, 10:22:53 PM
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He'll stay, how's he not going to be convinced?


October 25, 2017, 12:25:27 AM
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It's quite amazing how quickly it might have turned from shit to gold. But after year of criticisms, benching and attacks, a shout of 'come home' was probably as that was needed.

It wasn't the club, as witnessed by Koeman's threat to sell him. It was appreciation and respect of manager, he's got that now.

October 25, 2017, 01:23:20 AM
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I think Martinez and Koeman adopted the fellatio technique to keep Lukaku from the door, while simultaneously expecting Ross to produce something out of his arse.

I mean Cuco, Stek, Schneiderlin might be sad to begin with, but I think even he's more loyal players will quickly get on board. Every player has a fresh opportunity to impress and I don't see many ignoring that, I think Unsworth said 5 minutes was what it took.

The deadwood was the manager and he's gone.


October 29, 2017, 02:25:34 AM
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I think you have to expect some resistance, in a sort of "actually Ross, we've moved on and everything is great now" kind of way. and a "you never called as much as I wanted anyway".

Except we've been getting bummed by everyone who comes over and the weaknesses in the team are Ross' strengths. Even if we are hoping to get better players long term, in the short term, he's got what we need. And longer term, he will still be very useful, even when we have better options.

Barkley's position was always love Everton, hate Koeman. Koeman was threatening to sell him, imagine him saying that to Lukaku as a means to get him to stay.

December 06, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
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I think the answer is back to a firm no.

Will be interesting to see if he's sold in January or sits out entire season.

January 05, 2018, 05:38:17 PM
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I feel a bit sorry for Barkley, he's not done much wrong other than want to leave and has conducted himself very well. If you try to take the rose tinted glasses off, financially he could have similar terms to stay, but it's a much better opportunity to win trophies in a short career. Lukaku and Stones left to pursue bigger ambitions, it's up to the club to agree terms with other clubs for transfer or match ambitions, the club has done neither.

Has been hanging over the club for over a year now, but we didn't give him a new deal when he wanted one. Koeman pushed him towards the exit, Koeman's exit was opportunity to bring him back in. Hiring Allardyce will not have given any hope of us making improvements in the near future, if anything it's pushed hopes of achieving things back a year or so.

We aren't matching his ambitions as a club, we've not shown him the respect of a key player and if you think we haven't missed him this season, you're watching a different game. He's not going to become a world great, but I can see him working well with Willian, Hazard and Morata and becoming a key player for them. He'll need game time to build relationships and understanding with other key players, but being surrounded by better players and more options will improve his game.


January 05, 2018, 06:32:23 PM
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Lukaku and Stones didn't run down their contract and screw us out of money to earn some extra coin, even if they did  it wouldn't be as bad because they're not boyhood blues.
He did get offered a new deal, a very good deal, we've never failed to offer him a deal when he wanted one. It was probably bad timing by the club and should have been made 6 months earlier (as it coincided with the start of a turbulent relationship between Ross and Koeman), but I've not heard that he asked for a new deal before our offer.


I'd argue that Koeman didn't show him much respect in 1 press conference, not the club. The club have tried to bend over backwards for him. Any half decent creative midfielder would have helped up this season.

That's what they would have done if we hadn't sold them, all of them wanted to leave, but wanted to play until that happened. Lukaku was talking about it openly for years if we didn't start challenging he was off. Stones and Barkley never said anything publicly, I respect that as a difficult but more respectful position to take. Barkley was going to be sold until he got injured, the club had been putting public pressure on him for months to sign or be sold.

We protected the value in Lukaku's contract like rabid accountants, we would never let that get lower than 2 years, and we spent months getting 99.9999% of the way publicly with Lukaku while Barkley was running down a year lower in the background. The years since Barkley last signed a contract, he had become a far more important player for us and his contract at the moment might not be much more than 40K. All that time we've not seen fit to reward his role in the team financially, he's not going to win trophies this season or next, the good players have left and he's getting dropped and made an example of by Koeman when he has a bad game or doesn't shit golden eggs.

Absolutely it was Koeman more than the club, but the manager becomes the club, he decides how you fit in, your opportunities, the direction of the club. The chairman, the board, the fans and Barkley wanted Barkley to stay, Koeman never rushed to offer him a new deal, he had 2 years left when he came in, he took him for granted and never appeared to rate him. I think Barkley would have potentially stayed after Koeman was sacked, but I don't think Allardyce does anything to change his mind.