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November 02, 2017, 02:04:31 AM
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Well, why not? One thing is absolutely clear from our more recent experiences, you never know for sure how these appointments turn out. Some of the critical comment on here about Dyche seems (only seems)  to be based on him being very British (therefore no good), and comes from the despised little Burnley.  We might be pleasantly surprised, which would make a change from being unpleasantly surprised.

I think the reality is most of us know every little about most of the names. We want the unknown cos it might be fancy rather than something from Burnley. Like you said hiring managers is a lottery anyway. Past a handful you really don't know how it's gonna work out. I'm more than happy with defensive and pragmatic. People want to tell us that puts a ceiling on our potential but it didn't with mourinho or simeone. People are just being snobby


November 02, 2017, 02:06:32 AM
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Beg to differ. He is my worst choice. Firmly believe managers can only go so far, for example Moyes always had us in roughly 6th position, when he went to Utd 6th was his limit. Dyche in my eyes has a limit of 14th/15th downwards. Give him a year max, another year wasted and god knows how much he'll piss away on Championship players. Fuck!


Edit: just to clarify, he is my worse choice, Big Sam shouldn't even be mentioned.

You think his limit is 14th or 15th regardless? You think he'd manage city or Barca to them positions in their leagues. Sorry but that seems an utterly outlandish thing to say.

November 02, 2017, 02:37:46 AM
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He'd NEVER get near City or Barca unless as a spectator. They don't think small time.

That's not what was said. His limit was 14th or 15th regardless was what was said. Managers limits aren't regardless. They are very much dependant on their squad and finances. I could manage city or barca to a top 4 finish. To suggest dyche or anyone is only capable of a certain placing is laughable.
It's just nonsense.


November 02, 2017, 03:23:18 AM
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Well, all I can say is time will tell, won't it?

No. It's a nonsense. He might only ever finish them positions but that wouldn't prove that was all he was capable of regardless. Least not unless he gets a variety of jobs and all different levels.
It just makes no sense to suggest that's his ceiling and the squads don't matter

November 02, 2017, 03:38:12 AM
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If we are looking at possession percentages surely it's fairer to look at the numbers in the championship against teams with at least similar budgets rather than what he does against squads worth 10 times what burnleys is worth

November 02, 2017, 03:42:49 AM
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This is a worse appointment than what Allarydyce would be. We knows what allardyce would be and so does he. Short term fix. What about next season? Does dyche have us challenging the top 4? winning cups? No he doesn't.

He's a negative type manager. And the only managers who are successful with that nowadays play with unlimited money and the best players.

Atletico have unlimited money? They are constantly losing their best players and replacing them with cheaper. What they have financially has been earned on the back of that negative football

Really don't understand the suggestion that 1 type of football is more successful than another. Leicester won the league playing negative football. Which teams are successful playing open football on a small budget. I'd suggest the only examples of success on a limited budget are Leicester and atletico both playing defensive football


November 02, 2017, 03:56:55 AM
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Both are terrible terrible examples. Atletico playing negative football is a myth. In certain big games yes.  Some of the technical players they have had over the years we could only dream of.

Leicester as well. Not negative. They fought fire with fire that seasson. The opposite of what an allardyce type team does.

Atletico play negative football with some great players. Think that's kind of my point. The football gets better depending on the squad. Dyche here (with a successful transfer window) would play much better football than dyche at Burnley. It's the players much more than the managers style that defines the standard.

Leicester and atletico are both defensive non possession teams. Who plays open football on their budgets with anything like their success.

I actually think it's easier to get results playing defensively. You can organise a defence brilliantly much easier than you can get 4 or 5 world class players on a budget

November 02, 2017, 05:57:17 AM
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Some of those shittiest players could be here come January.

You do talk some shite. Why would he suddenly bring loads of Burnley players here. They cut their cloth accordingly. He's not signed them for Burnley because he thinks they are better than Messi and Ronaldo he's signed them because they were the best he could attract. It's utterly delusional to suggest he'd bring an array of shite players with him

November 02, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
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Wish you could read.
In what world, apart from yours, does "some of those players" suddenly become "loads of Burnley players"?

But in answer to your question "why would he bring Burnley players", because they are all he fucking knows about.
Martinez did it, Koeman did it, Moyes did it. They all fucking do it.
Don't think Dyche would have earmarked many Champions League type players at Burnley, do you.

BTW if you ever do get your hands into his underpants in real life maybe you could crank his balls up a bit and fix his voice.

Well what's some. I'd say that suggests 3 or 4 which really is loads. Moyes signed 1 tried to sign 2 in total. 1 was at the time the best left back in the league. Who do you imagine dyche would bring with him.

As for wanking him off. He's really not my type and you really misunderstand my view anyway. I'm not particularly pro dyche. I'm just anti your utter nonsense. 14th or 15th is his ceiling and he'll sign some really shit Burnley players. It's just scaremongering crap to be honest. Your 1st claim has no basis in anything that's come before and your second is just extremely unlikely.

November 02, 2017, 07:10:32 AM
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1) Moyes practically emptied out treatment room when he went to Sunderland.

2) we need a few positions sorted, eg forward. Dyche may think Chris Wood could do a job. He may think Robbie Brady could be a Baines back up plus utility player. He may bring Tarkowski in as another CD.
Now please note I have said Dyche may think, not I think.

3) someone else said they were shit players, I just said some of them may be here come Jan

4) The manager thing. There are top 4 managers eg Mourinho, Pep, Wenger. Just behind there you have your Klopps, Rafa, Moyes when he was with us and Utd. There are mid table managers like Pulis, Hughes etc (shouldn't get relegated but highly unlikely to ever win the league) So in my view, (note my view), I think managers have ceilings and Dyche's ceiling,( in my opinion), is not near where we want to be.

As I said earlier time will tell both about Dyche and if SOME Burnley players end up with us.

Also I never mentioned wanking him off, just fondling his balls will suffice.

His ceiling is absolutely dependant on the squad and club finances where he's managing. How can his ceiling here be 14th or 15th now and still the same 14th or 15th if we spent 100m or 200m more. It just defies logic.

As for the players if you don't think it will happen and I don't think it will happen we've (me and you have little to worry about)
Moyes was a bit different. His job at Sunderland was a downgrade in finances and status.

I'm not overly in favour of dyche but I'm absolutely not having that if we signed him and he spent 4 or 5 years here the absolute best he could manage is 14th. That could be what happens but it's not his ceiling. I'm not actually sure managers have ceilings. Koeman or Martinez could have gone to Barcelona and won a treble. Enrique did. Mancini who for me is crap won the title. Avram grant got to a champions league final. Di Matteo won it. Finances dictate in the main.

November 02, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
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We'll agree to differ, but if he does come here and the best he can manage is 14th I sincerely hope he doesn't get to stay 4 or 5 years.

Just as a matter of interest, can you really see us breaking into the top 4 under him?

Probably not. We are 3rd bottom though. Can you really see us breaking the top 4 under anyone?