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November 19, 2017, 03:20:43 AM
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Lxxx


Yeah, even though none of us really have any idea, let's just blame Moshiri for everything. Perhaps we can boo him at our next game and all chip in for a plane. Because if there's anything this club needs right now, it's for the fans to turn on our owner and for our owner to decide to fuck off, leaving us well and truly fucked.

No-one is turning on him. It’s reasonable to question his impact on the club since his arrival but once you do that it throws up more doubts than answers. Let’s be honest about it.


November 19, 2017, 03:52:35 AM
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KoemansNumberTens


Yeah, even though none of us really have any idea, let's just blame Moshiri for everything. Perhaps we can boo him at our next game and all chip in for a plane. Because if there's anything this club needs right now, it's for the fans to turn on our owner and for our owner to decide to fuck off, leaving us well and truly fucked.

I don't think that's what anyone is suggesting. He is giving interviews about players (barkley and McCarthy) he did seem to acknowledge that koeman did as he pleased. The press does always claim he wants to sign this or that big name

Clearly as a business he's improved us. I do worry he's a little too involved with the football side. We have a director of football who hasn't been allowed to sign players or pick the manager (apparently)

November 19, 2017, 04:38:34 AM
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BlueBeagle


Anyone not questioning what's going on at the top of the club needs to get their head out of the sand


November 19, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
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Ell Capitan

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No-one is turning on him. It’s reasonable to question his impact on the club since his arrival but once you do that it throws up more doubts than answers. Let’s be honest about it.

For sure. Perhaps I misinterpreted your post saying "how do we tell our boss he's the main reason things have gone tits up". I don't think the fans trying to convey that to Moshiri will help, at all.

November 19, 2017, 03:45:46 PM
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Lxxx


For sure. Perhaps I misinterpreted your post saying "how do we tell our boss he's the main reason things have gone tits up". I don't think the fans trying to convey that to Moshiri will help, at all.

I was referring to people within the club. How do you attempt to have a full debrief of how and why things have gone wrong when the guy chairing the meeting at the head of the table is a large part of the problem with his decision-making, in a subject matter he knows very little about.

This isn't a witch hunt against Moshiri by any means but from the outside looking in it looks like he's following a path many chairman and fans of the game fall into when they get control of a football club for the first time, which is to make hasty decisions on the playing side based on their limited knowledge of the game as a fan.

November 19, 2017, 05:01:41 PM
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Ell Capitan

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I was referring to people within the club. How do you attempt to have a full debrief of how and why things have gone wrong when the guy chairing the meeting at the head of the table is a large part of the problem with his decision-making, in a subject matter he knows very little about.

This isn't a witch hunt against Moshiri by any means but from the outside looking in it looks like he's following a path many chairman and fans of the game fall into when they get control of a football club for the first time, which is to make hasty decisions on the playing side based on their limited knowledge of the game as a fan.


Fair enough. It's the same at any organisation really though, when things go wrong the people at the top are often partly if not wholly responsible. In the absence of oversight, you have to hope that there is enough openness within those individuals to admit mistakes and be willing to find solutions.

It's interesting because although Moshiri is our largest shareholder, he neither sits on the Board, nor is he Chairman or CEO of Everton. They're all ultimately accountable to him but I imagine will be far more involved in the day to day running of the club than him. Likelihood is that some people on the Board will have had much more influence over him than others in terms of key decisions, and so any analysis of what needs to change will quickly become political as people look to deflect blame and protect their position. My guess is that governance is a real issue at EFC, particularly when you consider our rather unusual ownership structure. That's likely the bigger challenge in successfully figuring this all out, and it's far more nuanced than simply pinning all the blame for bad decisions on Moshiri.



November 19, 2017, 05:16:25 PM
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Lxxx


I’d agree on the governance point, although governance was never really an issue in decision-making up until 18 months ago when the whole structure changed. Ultimately he’s the man who installed this new structure though and as you rightly pointed out, the man at the top is always pointed as the fall guy when things go wrong but that’s what happens in a hierarchy. It’s a hierarchy for a reason.

November 24, 2017, 04:18:27 PM
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Ross


Some questions in the media...


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/moshiri-latest-rich-owner-to-struggle-with-his-new-toy-cx8kn8dpz

MATT DICKINSON

The first time I met Farhad Moshiri was an odd encounter. It was October 2007 and a group of journalists were being taken out to Moscow, on a private jet (not mine), to meet Alisher Usmanov to discuss his reasons for purchasing a stake in Arsenal.

Moshiri was on the flight, though it was never really explained why as he ushered us on board. We gleaned that the one-time accountant was deeply involved in Usmanov’s company Metalloinvest, and also a football fan, but the idea that we were sitting next to a future Premier League club owner rather than a very over-qualified travel guide never occurred.

It was a strange introduction, not quite knowing what Moshiri was about. And the more we have seen at Everton over recent months the more my curiosity has returned.

What on earth is happening at Goodison Park? The fans — and more than one rival club who have dealt with them over business — have asked the same question with a growing sense of bewilderment at the league table and a chaotic managerial search compounded by last night’s Europa League embarrassment at the hands of Atalanta.

The simple answer is the very familiar teething problems of football club ownership. Everton are definitely not Queens Park Rangers, but seeing Moshiri reminds me a little of the early years of Tony Fernandes; promising the world — including a new stadium, global ambitions — but first delivering some expensive mistakes.

Both are eager to please, working media contacts in the hope of popularity as well as points, having built vast personal fortunes through graft and clever networking. They possess plenty of charm.

Both are undoubted enthusiasts, with big dreams and a child-like thrill in their train sets, but the main question that fans are right to ask is: what do they know of football? This especially matters when these owners are extremely hands-on over some key decisions while also trying to juggle their many businesses and investments, with the inevitable result that a few balls are dropped, damagingly.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil, but where does that leave a club’s experts, the professionals? We may well ask when Moshiri has personally led a managerial search that, more than a month after the sacking of Ronald Koeman, appears to be back where it started.

This week Everton received a cease and desist letter from Watford’s lawyers, demanding that the pursuit of Marco Silva be immediately called off — or else. But it should not have needed such a threat.

Did Moshiri really think that Watford, even if offered £10 million or more, could afford to let their manager walk out in November? Who does he think he is, Watford may well ask, looking down from the top half of the table at a club such as Everton who were wrong to take the side of the “big six” in the recent argument over sharing broadcast income.

Four points in the past two games have lifted Everton out of the bottom three but, especially after last night’s 5-1 capitulation, league fixtures against Southampton and West Ham United will be approached with very fragile confidence when the caretaker manager, David Unsworth, lurches from game to game.

Where to turn next? Steve Walsh was recruited from Leicester City as director of football but there are those at Goodison Park who question the accuracy of that title. Directing what, exactly?

Walsh is understood to have wanted Sam Allardyce, but that hardly fits Moshiri’s early proclamation: “For our club to compete in the northwest of England, which is the new Hollywood of football with [Pep] Guardiola, [José] Mourinho, [Jürgen] Klopp, we needed a star to stand on the touchline, so I got Koeman.” To reject Big Sam, then to have to go back to him, is not exactly the glamour that Moshiri had in mind?

Bill Kenwright, the chairman since 2004, will have his own thoughts but it is Moshiri who, these days, expects to call the shots. A rich owner grappling with his new toy, struggling to assert the control that he is used to in business, is not a new phenomenon. To glance down the road on Merseyside is to recall Fenway Sports Group’s false starts with Damien Comolli as director of football and Kenny Dalglish’s brief return to the dugout.

But it still comes as a shock at Everton, given how so much money was spent, the £75 million fee for Romelu Lukaku and much more besides, as Moshiri sought to demonstrate his ambition this summer. Everton had everything but a strategy (and a new striker).

Long-term, fees for Jordan Pickford, Michael Keane and Ademola Lookman may come to look decent value, but on a checklist of classic owner mistakes — overspending (Gylfi Sigurdsson at £45 million), gathering a bloated squad (Davy Klaassen at £25 million) and signings of heart over head (Wayne Rooney on big wages) — Moshiri ticks every box.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil.

Having a big squad of senior players makes even less sense at a club that, rightly, tries to take great pride in developing its own.

Beginner’s mistakes? Moshiri once held shares at Arsenal, selling them back to Usmanov to fund his purchase of Everton, and he has been at Goodison Park since March 2016, with his 49.9 per cent stake bought for £87.5 million.

He is still working his way to full ownership of the club, probably in the next 18 months, according to insiders who say that he is determined to see through his grand plans, including a new stadium.

There are assurances that his wealth, including the Everton investment, is independently established. This came under questioning with the announcement at the annual meeting in January that USM, the investment company for Usmanov’s vast holdings in Russian mining and metals, and digital corporations, would sponsor the Finch Farm training ground.

Questions over the depth of his business ties with Usmanov were reawakened through the recent leak of the Paradise Papers. Long before our trip to Russia, Moshiri had worked principally with and for Usmanov, managing the investment of his fortune, but there is an insistence that respective interests in Arsenal and Everton for the two men are entirely separated.

While frustrated for years over opaqueness in the ownership, most Everton fans will simply hope that in a billionaire owner who has also covered the club’s debts, they have a man with the means to take them higher.

Moshiri has certainly shown a commitment to spend but, as a wretched campaign has demonstrated, throwing money around is the easy part of ownership for a rich man. The harder challenge is to know your limits not in wealth but knowledge. If he had asked around, someone could have told Moshiri that sacking your manager without a clue what happens next is not a great plan.
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November 24, 2017, 06:21:58 PM
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Paddockoldie


He's saying we're close to signing a new manager.. this is good.
He adds it's best not to say too much until the new management team is in place and we climb the table... this is bizarre.
Is this panic management or just poor reporting?

November 24, 2017, 06:25:36 PM
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Escla

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I sometimes think some things get lost in the translation, his English is not 100%

November 24, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
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Cereal Killer


I sometimes think some things get lost in the translation, his English is not 100%

Don't put poor Jim White down like that, he's been trying hard to learn!

November 24, 2017, 07:13:08 PM
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cantoffee


Have to say he really needs to bring in a proper director of football and step back from all this.

Either that or let Steve Walsh have his chance.

November 24, 2017, 08:52:51 PM
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Bluedylan


Do people think him having 49.9% is a problem, in the sense that he doesn't have complete control, which maybe enables some of these reported 'differences' and 'divisions'? The old thing about a camel being a horse designed by committee.
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November 24, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
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Ridge


That shareholding is enough to control anything, unless you have 1 other shareholder with rest.

Problem is that Moshiri is a puppet and nothing is being decided by him.

November 24, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
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Lxxx


Some questions in the media...


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/moshiri-latest-rich-owner-to-struggle-with-his-new-toy-cx8kn8dpz

MATT DICKINSON

The first time I met Farhad Moshiri was an odd encounter. It was October 2007 and a group of journalists were being taken out to Moscow, on a private jet (not mine), to meet Alisher Usmanov to discuss his reasons for purchasing a stake in Arsenal.

Moshiri was on the flight, though it was never really explained why as he ushered us on board. We gleaned that the one-time accountant was deeply involved in Usmanov’s company Metalloinvest, and also a football fan, but the idea that we were sitting next to a future Premier League club owner rather than a very over-qualified travel guide never occurred.

It was a strange introduction, not quite knowing what Moshiri was about. And the more we have seen at Everton over recent months the more my curiosity has returned.

What on earth is happening at Goodison Park? The fans — and more than one rival club who have dealt with them over business — have asked the same question with a growing sense of bewilderment at the league table and a chaotic managerial search compounded by last night’s Europa League embarrassment at the hands of Atalanta.

The simple answer is the very familiar teething problems of football club ownership. Everton are definitely not Queens Park Rangers, but seeing Moshiri reminds me a little of the early years of Tony Fernandes; promising the world — including a new stadium, global ambitions — but first delivering some expensive mistakes.

Both are eager to please, working media contacts in the hope of popularity as well as points, having built vast personal fortunes through graft and clever networking. They possess plenty of charm.

Both are undoubted enthusiasts, with big dreams and a child-like thrill in their train sets, but the main question that fans are right to ask is: what do they know of football? This especially matters when these owners are extremely hands-on over some key decisions while also trying to juggle their many businesses and investments, with the inevitable result that a few balls are dropped, damagingly.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil, but where does that leave a club’s experts, the professionals? We may well ask when Moshiri has personally led a managerial search that, more than a month after the sacking of Ronald Koeman, appears to be back where it started.

This week Everton received a cease and desist letter from Watford’s lawyers, demanding that the pursuit of Marco Silva be immediately called off — or else. But it should not have needed such a threat.

Did Moshiri really think that Watford, even if offered £10 million or more, could afford to let their manager walk out in November? Who does he think he is, Watford may well ask, looking down from the top half of the table at a club such as Everton who were wrong to take the side of the “big six” in the recent argument over sharing broadcast income.

Four points in the past two games have lifted Everton out of the bottom three but, especially after last night’s 5-1 capitulation, league fixtures against Southampton and West Ham United will be approached with very fragile confidence when the caretaker manager, David Unsworth, lurches from game to game.

Where to turn next? Steve Walsh was recruited from Leicester City as director of football but there are those at Goodison Park who question the accuracy of that title. Directing what, exactly?

Walsh is understood to have wanted Sam Allardyce, but that hardly fits Moshiri’s early proclamation: “For our club to compete in the northwest of England, which is the new Hollywood of football with [Pep] Guardiola, [José] Mourinho, [Jürgen] Klopp, we needed a star to stand on the touchline, so I got Koeman.” To reject Big Sam, then to have to go back to him, is not exactly the glamour that Moshiri had in mind?

Bill Kenwright, the chairman since 2004, will have his own thoughts but it is Moshiri who, these days, expects to call the shots. A rich owner grappling with his new toy, struggling to assert the control that he is used to in business, is not a new phenomenon. To glance down the road on Merseyside is to recall Fenway Sports Group’s false starts with Damien Comolli as director of football and Kenny Dalglish’s brief return to the dugout.

But it still comes as a shock at Everton, given how so much money was spent, the £75 million fee for Romelu Lukaku and much more besides, as Moshiri sought to demonstrate his ambition this summer. Everton had everything but a strategy (and a new striker).

Long-term, fees for Jordan Pickford, Michael Keane and Ademola Lookman may come to look decent value, but on a checklist of classic owner mistakes — overspending (Gylfi Sigurdsson at £45 million), gathering a bloated squad (Davy Klaassen at £25 million) and signings of heart over head (Wayne Rooney on big wages) — Moshiri ticks every box.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil.

Having a big squad of senior players makes even less sense at a club that, rightly, tries to take great pride in developing its own.

Beginner’s mistakes? Moshiri once held shares at Arsenal, selling them back to Usmanov to fund his purchase of Everton, and he has been at Goodison Park since March 2016, with his 49.9 per cent stake bought for £87.5 million.

He is still working his way to full ownership of the club, probably in the next 18 months, according to insiders who say that he is determined to see through his grand plans, including a new stadium.

There are assurances that his wealth, including the Everton investment, is independently established. This came under questioning with the announcement at the annual meeting in January that USM, the investment company for Usmanov’s vast holdings in Russian mining and metals, and digital corporations, would sponsor the Finch Farm training ground.

Questions over the depth of his business ties with Usmanov were reawakened through the recent leak of the Paradise Papers. Long before our trip to Russia, Moshiri had worked principally with and for Usmanov, managing the investment of his fortune, but there is an insistence that respective interests in Arsenal and Everton for the two men are entirely separated.

While frustrated for years over opaqueness in the ownership, most Everton fans will simply hope that in a billionaire owner who has also covered the club’s debts, they have a man with the means to take them higher.

Moshiri has certainly shown a commitment to spend but, as a wretched campaign has demonstrated, throwing money around is the easy part of ownership for a rich man. The harder challenge is to know your limits not in wealth but knowledge. If he had asked around, someone could have told Moshiri that sacking your manager without a clue what happens next is not a great plan.

Good article. Seems those that have actually met him are coming to the same conclusions as a lot of fans now.