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November 22, 2017, 05:02:01 AM
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No way is this a clear cut dive

The new rule when it was explained on sky sports news pre season by Mike Riley head of refs was for Ďdeliberate diving or simulationí they are the words he used.

How is Niasse getting physically touched by the defender deliberate diving or simulation?

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November 22, 2017, 05:02:45 AM
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He went down far too easily, there was hardly any contact that affected his balance. If it was an opposition player in front of Gwladys Street we'd be fuming. And it could have been both a penalty and a dive.
Diving is ruining the game for spectators and it's good to see some action being taken. You win some you lose some.


See the cheating & diving in the Sevilla match tonight but its OK its the CL. Double standarding bastards!

November 22, 2017, 05:52:31 AM
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Embarrassing the lengths people will go to to defend diving. 


November 22, 2017, 06:03:05 AM
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pjk

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Someone else tried fucking our mate Niasse over. A walk in the park for Oumar. :)
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November 22, 2017, 06:34:14 AM
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Embarrassing the lengths people will go to to defend diving. 

I donít think itís clear cut in the modern game. Players have been conditioned to sell a foul otherwise they donít get given. Thatís the precedent. Weíve seen in many a time when the player stays on his feet he doesnít get a decision, I canít even think of a single example to the contrary, can you?

So in that context, Dann clearly steps across his run Niasse is running into space and feels itís a foul because heís impeded. So goes down as thatís how players have been shown to ask the question of whether itís a foul or not.

This isnít a case of him jumping a tackle and going down two steps later. He was asking the question whether Dann obstructed him. I donít think Dann had any intention of playing the ball nor was he not able to get out of the way, he knew what he was doing. He clearly did step into Niasse path. Iíd say that would be given a foul on the halfway line and nobody bats an eyelid.

I donít think it was enough to knock Niasse down but in this instance I donít think thatís strangely the issue.

 

November 22, 2017, 06:40:51 AM
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The second issue is a matter of consistency. Where is the sense in only reviewing or punishing these behaviours inside the box or after a red card? How is that an effective deterrent? Weíve seen plenty of free kicks leading to goals under dubious circumstances. Just last week the first goal in the Arsenal vs Spurs game was a dive by Sanchez. So...thatís ok because why?

Itís just dumb. Do it right or donít bother.


November 22, 2017, 06:54:16 AM
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Embarrassing the lengths people will go to to defend diving. 

You think that's bad, apparently someone's done a 'defensive metric' whatever that is?

November 22, 2017, 08:42:32 AM
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When we challenge the matter I hope we produce the video of the Brighton game where we should have had a second penalty for shirt pulling in the box, was that incident so vigorously scrutinised and punished, no I didnít think so. COYB win the case for the big man, itís time we backed him up for a change after the treatment he previously received
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November 22, 2017, 09:08:54 AM
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Jamokachi


It was a dive, like.

A retrospective 2 game ban seems a bit ridiculous a punishment though, as if the referee thought it was a dive it would have resulted in a yellow card at worst.

So that should be the punishment, a retrospective yellow card.

November 22, 2017, 09:33:48 AM
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The five ex-match officials are: Keren Barratt, Steve Dunn, Mike Mullarkey, Alan Wiley and Eddie Wolstenholme.

Danny Murphy, Nigel Adkins and any of the officials would be my guess.

It's not a dive, it's not simulation, he didn't initiate contact, he went down from a player pivoting into his path. Oumar is trying to run through 2 Palace players, Dann is obstructing route with no intent for the ball, it's soft, but it's soft pen, embellishment, not simulation. Otherwise you'd be banning half a dozen players every game.

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November 22, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
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Iím expected by these retrospective bans to be in double figures by the end of the season now theyíve set the standard.

November 22, 2017, 01:58:17 PM
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Lxxx


This is what Alexis Sanchez or Eden Hazard do every week. Draw the slightest contact and go over. They wouldn't dare single them two out for this type of action.

November 22, 2017, 02:05:29 PM
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AllyBlue14


At least there was defender-made contact here. So many players go down with no contact at all, or fabricate the contact themselves by clipping the defender (Vardy). They're much worse than going down easily having actually been clipped. That's not to say it's ok, but you can't honestly tell me this is the first time it's happened all season.



November 22, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
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I donít think itís clear cut in the modern game. Players have been conditioned to sell a foul otherwise they donít get given. Thatís the precedent.

But this is part of the problem which this new rule is trying to fix.  It's not the new normal for the "modern game" which additional rules mustn't interfere with.

Ultimately let's see how many players dive - whether without contact or asking the question - for a penalty in the coming weeks as more of these bans are issued. If it's less then I'm happy.

I think some people have forgotten (or never knew) what it was like back when players didn't flop to the ground at the slightest hint of contact.

November 22, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
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