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May 18, 2018, 10:16:22 PM
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themilkycoffees


I work in construction...

99% of the time it's money holding back a project, not a complex site. Complex sites can be dealt with with the right engineers and the right people.

We are trying to secure the money to build the thing. There's nothing wrong with that either.

As do I. In this particular case I believe it is indeed being dealt with, but the main "delaying" factor is a planning one.


May 18, 2018, 10:29:30 PM
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brap2

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- that would really help the tone

Lord knows he needs it
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May 18, 2018, 10:33:32 PM
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bluenuck


As do I. In this particular case I believe it is indeed being dealt with, but the main "delaying" factor is a planning one.

I don't know man. There's only so many ways you can build a big stadium on such a complex site. That should make things easier, actually.

Like another person said, this has been a while.


May 18, 2018, 10:39:23 PM
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themilkycoffees


Of course. It's very frustrating for us as fans but I'm confident we'll get this one over the line.

May 18, 2018, 10:40:01 PM
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Escla

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What sort of stuff have you been eating/drinking/inhaling? You try to be funny while completely misunderstanding what I said.

What does those people knowing about stadium finances got to do with what I wrote? Are you saying that they think that an interest-free loan with no repayments would be a worse idea than paying the debt + interest? Because that's the only way you could disagree with me in that sort of manner.

Why? Because my original point was that if Usmanov was coming the easiest way to give a substantial amount of money to Everton (because of FFP) would be to pay for the stadium. Now, Usmanov might think it's not a good way to spend money but why the fuck would someone like DBB think a 500 million pound gift to the club would be a bad idea?

Yeh, good , whatever, you’re a financial genius.

May 18, 2018, 10:47:08 PM
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School of Science


It's amazing how this only comes about when a transfer window is open..... it's like he's trying to get the board to spend some money, or move over and let him do it.....

Ha yes I thought that, these rumours pop up once a year and when Usmanov can be arsed, usually after about 2 days, he dismisses it as a rumour. Which sends Arsenal fans into panic mode and gives the Arsenal board something to chew on.
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May 18, 2018, 11:10:30 PM
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May 18, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
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GrantyBoy78


If he was genuinely coming and bringing his money with him, you’d expect a higher profile managerial appointment than Marco Silva.

May 19, 2018, 12:11:23 AM
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pjk


Guys like Moshiri don 't put money into a project and just watch it drain away. I'm happy with Moshiri, personally. Things havn't gone smoothly. But whether anyone likes it or not, he didn't mess about when things got dodgy. He sacked Koeman and gave Allardyce his p.45. Cost him/us, a lot of money. Now we're back in the game. I'm as excited now, as I was at the beginning of last season. :)
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May 19, 2018, 12:54:52 AM
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bluenuck


Of course. It's very frustrating for us as fans but I'm confident we'll get this one over the line.

As am I.

But the planning isn't the problem imo. It's taken to long for that to be it.

May 19, 2018, 01:27:45 AM
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plumber


If he was genuinely coming and bringing his money with him, you’d expect a higher profile managerial appointment than Marco Silva.

I would expect a higher profile appointment than Silva even without Usmanov to be honest.

May 19, 2018, 01:47:03 AM
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Makis


???

Two points - your arguement is backwards, he should spend 500m (say 400 stadium and 100 for players to avoid FFP)? Surely spending the 100 is easier for FFP

Secondly, again, why should he plough 500m of his own money in, when he can get others to fund 400m of it?

He's a business man, like most owners these days, not a fan, so he's not going to give away money where he doesn't need to
I'm working on the assumption that the point for him to the club would be to turn it into a top team. That needs money, lots of. But unlike, say, Abrahimovic back when he bought Chelsea, because of the FFP, he can't just hand over hundreds of millions (which those interest free loans basically are) so he needs to figure out some other ways. He also can't, say, buy the naming rights for some ridiculous amount because of the same FFP rules.

So, how do you think he could do it in any reasonable timescale? If Liverpool win the CL final they will make more new fans worldwide than we have in total. The gap is ridiculously large so they will make tons more money from merchandise and sponsorship deals for decades no matter what. Well, if we managed to win the CL five times in the next 20 years we might be in with a shout, but without the possibility of doing a Manchester City the chances are slim.

So would he buy the club and be happy with annual 4-6th place finishes with maybe a Carabao Cup or FA Cup?

And I want to repeat, he would NOT hand over half-a-billion pounds in the stadium case, not in his lifetime at least. He would hand over whatever the club will now pay in interest per year. And he would own the stadium. I would estimate this to be around 20 million pounds per year. Doesn't sound that much, except that it would still increase turnover by more than 10%. It could pay the wages for two world-class players. It's also not-so-insignificant if you consider that we are not going to get anywhere near that from the naming rights (well, it might be possible if USM Holdings buy the rights, could just pass as acceptable by FFP).

Now, if someone really wants to disagree with me, feel free. But please try to come up with actual arguments rather than "you the financial genious" or plain "you are wrong". If you think I'm wrong, please try to figure out why Usmanov would buy the club and whether he would like to make it a powerhouse. And if so, how could he do that if he's not going to put any of his own money in the club.

May 19, 2018, 01:48:01 AM
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Makis


Yeh, good , whatever, you’re a financial genius.
I do understand these things can be a bit complex for you. Don't worry, you don't have to understand or partake in the discussion. It's totally voluntary.

May 26, 2018, 03:24:52 AM
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Martip


We need to bring this hell hound on board

May 26, 2018, 03:33:47 AM
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I would expect a higher profile appointment than Silva even without Usmanov to be honest.

I expect Spurs fans felt the same when they signed Poch.
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