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September 07, 2018, 02:32:14 PM
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Simon Paul

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Id be fucking shocked if he wasted his time doing that.
Is it a waste?

Spend maybe 50 million getting them in the Premier League and a other 50 million keeping them up for 3 or more seasons and he's trebled his money

27,000 seater stadium in London, easily filled in The Prem at £50 a ticket minimum.

Getting a side promoted is the easiest way to make a massive return on your investment and "success" would be relatively instant just by implementing Premier League standards at a club in turmoil. "success" at a Premier League club would be a much slower process.

Plus he's used to the London accent already.


September 07, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
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Danny


Is it a waste?

Spend maybe 50 million getting them in the Premier League and a other 50 million keeping them up for 3 or more seasons and he's trebled his money

27,000 seater stadium in London, easily filled in The Prem at £50 a ticket minimum.

Getting a side promoted is the easiest way to make a massive return on your investment and "success" would be relatively instant just by implementing Premier League standards at a club in turmoil. "success" at a Premier League club would be a much slower process.

Plus he's used to the London accent already.

Youíre right about getting promotee being the best return but look at the top end championship teams spending now.

Say he spends 20 buying them, 20 the next two years getting them out of league one, at that point if the appointments right he may be promoted to the Prem within 3 years but probably at a cost of 30-50 mill a season.

Up until were in the stadium a lot of investors will see us as a huge risk.

September 07, 2018, 03:05:37 PM
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Escla

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Is it a waste?

Spend maybe 50 million getting them in the Premier League and a other 50 million keeping them up for 3 or more seasons and he's trebled his money

27,000 seater stadium in London, easily filled in The Prem at £50 a ticket minimum.

Getting a side promoted is the easiest way to make a massive return on your investment and "success" would be relatively instant just by implementing Premier League standards at a club in turmoil. "success" at a Premier League club would be a much slower process.

Plus he's used to the London accent already.

Itís a massively  smart investment, for 20, invest 80 in players and you still have 500 million to play with,
you canít go wrong of that 20 includes the real estate.


September 07, 2018, 03:48:13 PM
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Gash

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Charlton's the type of club people will be looking to invest in. Former Premier League club that had/has a decent following and there's plenty out there in the lower leagues. There's far more potential for the right person to make money from them than there is in spending 100's of millions just to buy a Premier League club.

He's got his foot in the door with us with Finch Farm but (and I may still be wrong) I always thought it was a bit fanciful to think he was going to come riding over the hill and be our Sheikh Mansour.

September 07, 2018, 06:06:38 PM
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Lxxx


Makes sense as an investment with a potentially high ceiling and big return if he was able to get them back to the Prem. Also, it's fairly shocking what's happened to Charlton.

On the other hand though it's Darren Lewis, so it's probably completely made up, and he's an RS fan.

It sounds far more believable than ploughing his money into us. His family live in London so the Arsenal investment, he kept saying, was for them.

As you say, far less initial investment and far more upside.

September 07, 2018, 06:06:57 PM
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phillyt


I canít see it myself tbh. I understand the concept of potentially great rewards for little investment but that isnít going to matter to a man of his wealth. They are league 1. So your looking 3 years plus to get in the premier league and a further 3 years minimum to be established enough to buy players good enough to push the european squads. He buys Everton in the next couple of months, we are in touch with top 4/6 come Christmas we can have a tilt at CL qualification with his investment. If we get it he is at the big boys table immediately. If we donít we will likely get Europa league and push CL next year.

Iím working on the best case scenario her, on the assumption everything goes to plan. Hes going to be buying the remaining shares in Everton for around 80-120m he invests say £100-150m over 2 years with similar from moshiri. Heís got the tv money incoming then within 2 years the club are on the CL gravy train.

The fact is though he is so rich the amounts of money being talked about wonít even dent his wallet. He wants to run a successful elite club. His mate moshiri has been priming us for that, yeah mistakes were made on the pitch but off it we are a different animal already. Iíd be shocked if Usmanov isnít in control of Everton very soon.
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September 07, 2018, 06:13:22 PM
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Bluedylan


Didn't he say he'd consider investing in Everton 'if there was a return'. So I think he probably does want to invest, with a view to making money rather than just as a vanity thing. Charlton would make sense from that POV.
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September 07, 2018, 06:27:01 PM
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kramer0


Heís a creep and we donít need him.

Hope he does invest in someone else so this narrative can die.

September 07, 2018, 06:42:03 PM
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phillyt


Didn't he say he'd consider investing in Everton 'if there was a return'. So I think he probably does want to invest, with a view to making money rather than just as a vanity thing. Charlton would make sense from that POV.

He can still make money from Everton by selling the club. Of course he will do from improving charlton but it will take longer. He will also make money by loaning the club money for the ground or effectively leasing it to us. It will, potentially at least, be far quicker with Everton to get to a stage weíre he can start recouping some of his cash.
I just canít accept Moshiri is here completely by his own volition. He didnít wake up one day and decide he wants to branch out on his own. 
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September 07, 2018, 07:46:13 PM
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Lxxx


He can still make money from Everton by selling the club. Of course he will do from improving charlton but it will take longer. He will also make money by loaning the club money for the ground or effectively leasing it to us. It will, potentially at least, be far quicker with Everton to get to a stage weíre he can start recouping some of his cash.
I just canít accept Moshiri is here completely by his own volition. He didnít wake up one day and decide he wants to branch out on his own. 

Why? Whatís so hard to comprehend about Moshiri wanting to try his hand at running a football club?

September 07, 2018, 07:56:54 PM
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Ell Capitan

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I think itís bollocks myself.

If buying up shite teams was so much more sensible than decent ones, why arent there more billionaire owners in league 1/2?

September 07, 2018, 08:05:43 PM
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phillyt


Why? Whatís so hard to comprehend about Moshiri wanting to try his hand at running a football club?

Because everything he has done in business for at least a decade has been intrinsically linked to usmanov/usm.  If that was the case he would have looked at charlton maybe. He has Not even 2b wealth? Letís just say he is prepared to risk 50% to run a footy Club he will know that is not going to go far. Over the course of 8/10 years. So he would be far more frugal. While net spend so far hasnít been huge thatís largely down to the sales of stones and lukaku who were both offered lucrative contracts to stay. Itís my opinion based on what I see, obvs Iím not lucky enough to know the fella personally, but I just cant see any other outcome than Usmanov buying into us.
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September 07, 2018, 08:11:40 PM
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pjk

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I agree with the shout that he's 'a creep'. It should be considered though, that Moshiri is busy doing his laundry. It's a part of football and it's dripping with dark money. How this type of common investment in football becomes normalised, in this country depends on who is next in government. I want a socialist government as a person; but as an evertonian, I don't care were the money comes from. I hope our route to investment is squeaky clean, for no other reason than, if labour do get in, there are likely to be a lot more public enquiries. Oligarchs and their employees may well be amongst those questioned, and undoubtedly the tax avoidance issue will be at the forefront. Lets hope, Trueblueholdings is looking after the club properly.
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September 07, 2018, 08:53:41 PM
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Shropshire Blue

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There seem's to be an assumption on here that to make money you have to be high up in the premier league.
The potential return for someone prepared to invest heavily (by Championship standards) to get promotion and then to concentrate just on survival in PL is great. Look at the recent financial news that a third of the PL clubs would make a profit with totally empty grounds. Those clubs are the 'smaller' ones.
Usmanov is, first and foremost, a businessman so I think he is looking for both financial return and a successful football club - not one OR the other. The financial rewards for building up a small club may both be greater and less risky than investing in a club about to build a new ground and needing to spend goodness knows how much on players to compete at the highest level where the risks are massive. He could spend the entire £600m from Arsenal on the team and we still win nothing. We've seen both Man City and Chelsea rise from that 'second' level of football so why not Charlton?
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September 07, 2018, 09:24:29 PM
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blue1948


I canít see it myself tbh. I understand the concept of potentially great rewards for little investment but that isnít going to matter to a man of his wealth. They are league 1. So your looking 3 years plus to get in the premier league and a further 3 years minimum to be established enough to buy players good enough to push the european squads. He buys Everton in the next couple of months, we are in touch with top 4/6 come Christmas we can have a tilt at CL qualification with his investment. If we get it he is at the big boys table immediately. If we donít we will likely get Europa league and push CL next year.

Iím working on the best case scenario her, on the assumption everything goes to plan. Hes going to be buying the remaining shares in Everton for around 80-120m he invests say £100-150m over 2 years with similar from moshiri. Heís got the tv money incoming then within 2 years the club are on the CL gravy train.

The fact is though he is so rich the amounts of money being talked about wonít even dent his wallet. He wants to run a successful elite club. His mate moshiri has been priming us for that, yeah mistakes were made on the pitch but off it we are a different animal already. Iíd be shocked if Usmanov isnít in control of Everton very soon.

The point with wealthy people is that it really does matter how much they make ,why do they try to do so many shady deals if it doesn't matter with their wealth . I had a boss worth millions many years ago and he use to get right up behind another car going into the tunnel to avoid the pound charge .