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June 14, 2018, 02:27:21 AM
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Signing Tosun was the deal of the century to raise our profile in Turkey and make them aware we have a lot of deadwood to get rid of. Clear masterstroke by messrs  Walsh and Allardyce, always thinking ahead for the benefit of our club  :whistle:


June 14, 2018, 03:33:26 AM
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Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.

I was trying to work that out the other day when the Klaassen links came about.

Klaassens book value this summer would be £18m.  It'd be a pretty heavy hit to the FFP allowance if we only got say £12m for him, but loaning him for 2 years his value would only be £6m and we'd either break even selling him cheap, or even make a profit if he does okay?  This is all on paper for FFP reasons though because in reality we'd be losing more money that if we sold him now, and thats what i don't understand about FFP that in order to protect clubs from doing a Leeds the new rules make it more complicated to not lose money than to lose it?

Bolasie's book value on the other hand should only be about £10m this year, and i'd be amazed if we couldnt sell him for that?
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June 14, 2018, 03:38:15 AM
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Is there a "creative accounting" benefit from sending players like that out on loan? As in selling them when their book values has reduced due to amortisation, so the trading loss isn't as great?

I can't be arsed working out the numbers.

Yeah there would be from a FFP point if view, providing you got the same fee in 1 or 2 years time.

In the real world the cash figure is still the most important bit.


June 14, 2018, 04:07:04 AM
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Yeah there would be from a FFP point if view, providing you got the same fee in 1 or 2 years time.

In the real world the cash figure is still the most important bit.
Because that's the actual revenue/cash flow, which is presumably the be all and end all?

Does any profit on the book value get classed as revenue in addition to that? I'm assuming not?
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June 14, 2018, 04:16:01 AM
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Because that's the actual revenue/cash flow, which is presumably the be all and end all?

Does any profit on the book value get classed as revenue in addition to that? I'm assuming not?

Yeah revenue figure is the gross cash income amount.

Profit is that less the carrying value of the individual player.

So Klaassen now would be worth £20m carrying value (rough figures of £25m/5 year deal) so anything less than that (say 15m) would result in a loss on the trade.

Keeping him for 2 years and selling for 15m would see a further 10m depreciation (so carrying value of £10m) so we’d see a profIt of £5m.

Obviously there’d be wage cost impacts too. 

June 14, 2018, 04:47:50 AM
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Just stop being such a stresshead.

How am I stress head?
I merely said parts I've read, it doesn't mean I believe them, I don't pretend it's just my opinion or that Its factual knowledge. You come out with shit like ' I gotta stop reading stuff cos I don't have the ability to decode stuff and read between the lines etc. Like I'm some sort of ten year old school kid.
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June 14, 2018, 04:57:38 AM
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To quote Randolph and Mortimer Duke "sell sell sell!"

June 14, 2018, 04:58:50 AM
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How am I stress head?
I merely said parts I've read, it doesn't mean I believe them, I don't pretend it's just my opinion or that Its factual knowledge. You come out with shit like ' I gotta stop reading stuff cos I don't have the ability to decode stuff and read between the lines etc. Like I'm some sort of ten year old school kid.


That's quite a stressy response to be fair.

All I'm saying is that you're one of the only people on the site going on about 'we've got to sell to buy' stuff and that's clearly not the case. Chill out. Brands and Co have got it, and if they fuck up or there's some evidence that we're operating like that, we'll all criticise them together.
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July 11, 2018, 05:55:58 PM
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Fener are currently in talks with the Blues but are determined to wrap up a deal for the player.

The former Crystal Palace star returned from a nasty knee injury last season but failed to find consistency in his 17 appearances under former boss Sam Allardyce.

The Turkish side are keen to wrap up several deals before the start of their Champions League play-off campaign, and new manager Phillip Cocu - who worked with Everton director of football Marcel Brands at PSV - looks keen on Bolasie.

A Spor believe former Besiktas forward Cenk Tosun has offered the 29-year-old advice on moving to his home country and has encouraged the move.

Fenerbahce are reportedly keen on a season-long loan deal.

Turkish outlet Takvim - via Sport Witness - believe Fenerbahce have upped their offer for Yannick Bolasie.

The Yellow Canaries were initially claimed to have offered the Blues £1.5m to take the winger on loan for the season, but the source now believes they’ve doubled their opening gambit.

Manager Phillip Cocu is said to be keen to work with Bolasie and former Liverpool sporting director Damien Comolli - who now operates in the same role for Fenerbahce - is leading negotiations with the Toffees.

The Turkish outfit are said to be keen on having a clause inserted into the deal which would allow them to retain Bolasie’s services on a permanent basis should he impress.

July 11, 2018, 06:11:44 PM
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3 million for a season long loan, wonder if he needs any help packing

July 11, 2018, 06:18:16 PM
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What a terrible fucking purchase in the light of day that was
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July 11, 2018, 06:19:17 PM
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3 mill for the season and all wages paid would be sufficient I think. We're going to lose money on him, so if he picks up some form (which he should in an inferior league), we might be able to get 10 mill at the end of the day.

Shame it didn't work out, but he was never what we needed in the first place.

Great smile and attitude though.
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July 11, 2018, 06:19:26 PM
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Feel sorry for him with the timing of the injury and that but yeah probably best he moves on.

July 11, 2018, 06:23:59 PM
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What a terrible fucking purchase in the light of day that was

I was fuming with this deal from day one.

Do think he could’ve been useful before the injury but even then he was never that good.

July 11, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
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I was fuming with this deal from day one.

Do think he could’ve been useful before the injury but even then he was never that good.

Yeah I’ve actually always liked him as an exciting player who can get you off your feet, and (as long as his knee isn’t goosed) he could still do the job of an outlet on the break.

But when you take everything into account, it was money we should have spent elsewhere on someone younger with a higher ceiling and a better sell on value, clearly previous regimes were not interested in that at all.
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