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September 19, 2018, 04:23:12 PM
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Speaking to fans of other clubs and snippets from the media we're starting to be seen as a "careful what you wish for" fan base. From the outside we're seen as turning on Martinez despite what he did in the first season, turning on Koeman despite us getting 7th the season before and not so much turning on Allardyce but never wanting him in the first place. Now there's some rumblings already about Silva so we're starting to be seen as a very impatient fanbase who don't give anyone a chance and after the last few days it's understandable to see. I have my reservations about some aspects of Silva but the moans were there in pre season and have carried on into the season, it's almost like some people revel in it and are just relentlessly negative about every aspect of the club both on and off the pitch and it's certainly disappointing to see how quickly things have turned this season already, although I'm not convinced there was every a big air of positivity about this season anyway. As someone said earlier, it's almost like we're waiting for something to go wrong so that we can have a go rather than be encouraged by something decent happening.

It's easy straight after a poor result or two to look at everything negatively but we need to give Silva and Brands more than just a few months to sort things out. The whole of last season was a mess, right from the start of the transfer window until the final kick of the season and that's not going to be sorted over night. The summer transfer window turned out not too bad in the end but we've two players who haven't featured, one's had half a game and one's been suspended for three games so we've not been anywhere near getting out best team out on the park. There are issues and I'm sure they're working to address them, moaning about the same things week in week or booing the players off (and sometimes on!) isn't going to change it though, sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture rather than everything in isolation.
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September 19, 2018, 04:25:50 PM
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Macca77


The mistakes of last season has set us back years, it really has, we as fans need to understand that and be patient. It's a rebuilding job which is gonna take a lot of time.

September 19, 2018, 04:27:06 PM
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Ramjam


Great post Gash, totally agree with you there mate.
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September 19, 2018, 06:02:13 PM
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Brownie

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Didn't see it but was told Troy Deeney on SS saying that a Silva was the best manager he had ever worked with and he will get us to where we want to be. Patient is a virtue
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September 19, 2018, 06:07:01 PM
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Escla

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Didn't see it but was told Troy Deeney on SS saying that a Silva was the best manager he had ever worked with and he will get us to where we want to be. Patient is a virtue

Here it is
https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/16885658.marco-silva-everton-boss-the-best-head-coach-watfords-troy-deeney-has-worked-with/

September 19, 2018, 06:07:22 PM
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Didn't see it but was told Troy Deeney on SS saying that a Silva was the best manager he had ever worked with and he will get us to where we want to be. Patient is a virtue



Music to my ears that. :)
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September 19, 2018, 06:25:59 PM
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Simon Paul

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Drinking in the terraces would solve near enough all problems.

No good reason why it's not allowed anymore.
The police by me threaten to kick me out if I look in a different direction to the pitch. Absolutely no chance they will allow drinking on the terraces.

Quite interesting when I ask them where else in the world they'd get a way with that shit

September 19, 2018, 06:58:25 PM
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Escla

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Drinking in the terraces would solve near enough all problems.

No good reason why it’s not allowed anymore.

Terraces or stands ? Was always difficult getting a drink when it was allowed on the terraces but I suppose if there were those safe standing seats it wouldn’t be so bad but try getting along a row of seats in the UG
with two drinks in your hand, almost impossible.

September 19, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
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Simon Paul

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Terraces or stands ? Was always difficult getting a drink when it was allowed on the terraces but I suppose if there were those safe standing seats it wouldn't be so bad but try getting along a row of seats in the UG
with two drinks in your hand, almost impossible.
Did it with six pints in a tray when Bellew fought at Goodison. No problem. Other than cunts throwing their own beers because they're cunts.

September 19, 2018, 07:21:39 PM
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Bluenose 91


What even is the thought process behind not being able to drink in your seat anyway?

I don't think people would even end up drinking that much more.

They'd still close the bars mid game?

September 19, 2018, 07:39:41 PM
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Simon Paul

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What even is the thought process behind not being able to drink in your seat anyway?

I don't think people would even end up drinking that much more.

They'd still close the bars mid game?
Because football fans are animals who can't be trusted not to kill each other if they get drunk. Or something else ridiculous.

Football fans are treated as animals most of the time though and this is no different.

September 19, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
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Shropshire Blue

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Because football fans are animals who can't be trusted not to kill each other if they get drunk. Or something else ridiculous.

Football fans are treated as animals most of the time though and this is no different.
Perhaps those restrictions are partly due to the ongoing violence that resulted in injury and the occasional death when drinking etc was allowed? Anyone who watched football then will recall the real dangers and threats both inside and outside of grounds that may  have added to the excitement for 'younger' supporters but, to be honest,  were totally unacceptable looking back.
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September 19, 2018, 10:07:48 PM
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Mac934


Speaking to fans of other clubs and snippets from the media we're starting to be seen as a "careful what you wish for" fan base. From the outside we're seen as turning on Martinez despite what he did in the first season, turning on Koeman despite us getting 7th the season before and not so much turning on Allardyce but never wanting him in the first place. Now there's some rumblings already about Silva so we're starting to be seen as a very impatient fanbase who don't give anyone a chance and after the last few days it's understandable to see. I have my reservations about some aspects of Silva but the moans were there in pre season and have carried on into the season, it's almost like some people revel in it and are just relentlessly negative about every aspect of the club both on and off the pitch and it's certainly disappointing to see how quickly things have turned this season already, although I'm not convinced there was every a big air of positivity about this season anyway. As someone said earlier, it's almost like we're waiting for something to go wrong so that we can have a go rather than be encouraged by something decent happening.

It's easy straight after a poor result or two to look at everything negatively but we need to give Silva and Brands more than just a few months to sort things out. The whole of last season was a mess, right from the start of the transfer window until the final kick of the season and that's not going to be sorted over night. The summer transfer window turned out not too bad in the end but we've two players who haven't featured, one's had half a game and one's been suspended for three games so we've not been anywhere near getting out best team out on the park. There are issues and I'm sure they're working to address them, moaning about the same things week in week or booing the players off (and sometimes on!) isn't going to change it though, sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture rather than everything in isolation.
I agree, but when the things we saw on Saturday are exactly the same things we moaned and groaned about last season, what does anyone expect to hear or read. If they had played well and lost, I'm sure the response would have been different.
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September 20, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
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Evertonian in NC


reminds me to pill up excessively if I ever make it to Goodison.  No beer at your seat?  That's just madness.

Gash is spot on, this is a long-term build, I said it before the hire was even made.  We shouldn't be results-critical until Silva's 3rd season, in my view.

/within reason, he can't have us facing relegation
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September 20, 2018, 12:59:20 AM
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Simon Paul

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Perhaps those restrictions are partly due to the ongoing violence that resulted in injury and the occasional death when drinking etc was allowed? Anyone who watched football then will recall the real dangers and threats both inside and outside of grounds that may  have added to the excitement for 'younger' supporters but, to be honest,  were totally unacceptable looking back.

maybe 30 years ago, but 30 years old rules don't always still apply to society when they are 30 years old