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September 30, 2018, 06:20:45 PM
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I've only seen him through a world cup and some of his european games for Shaktar. He seemed to drop into a bit of obscurity in Ukraine. The reason I'm so convinced? Every time I've seen him play, I've noticed him. What he did yesterday was one small example, and everyone on here noticed him too. I first saw him 4 years ago playing for a bad Brazil side and thought. Wow, imagine if he played for Everton. As I mentioned in earlier posts he's pretty much one of the worlds best. Say top 50. When he's on his game. Best compliment I can pay him is he's the sort of player who will go past another as if the ball is stuck to his foot. All in one movement. Only the best can do that. I was shocked when we signed him. As I say though. A word of caution. Why did he drop into obscurity? :)
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September 30, 2018, 06:24:48 PM
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But Sig was very poor in the first half though. He wasn't alone, but it was completely fair to point out how anonymous he was in the first 45 minutes.



Some were saying he was rubbish, even after his performance second half.  I'm not going to discredit Sigurdsson due to a bad first half.
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September 30, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
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Some were saying he was rubbish, even after his performance second half.  I'm not going to discredit Sigurdsson due to a bad first half.

I don't think many are. He's our top scorer so far this season so he's contributing where he needs to.

He's not been great in the main though and he does need to work on his positional play but I think that's because we don't have a striker with real pace who can go the other way and stretch the game. All too often him and Tosun occupy the same 10 yard radius but if we extrapolate his goal return so far across a whole season he'll have done his job. Whether others around him get the benefit in their own game of him playing in that position is another argument. 


September 30, 2018, 06:46:51 PM
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I don't think many are. He's our top scorer so far this season so he's contributing where he needs to.

He's not been great in the main though and he does need to work on his positional play but I think that's because we don't have a striker with real pace who can go the other way and stretch the game. All too often him and Tosun occupy the same 10 yard radius but if we extrapolate his goal return so far across a whole season he'll have done his job. Whether others around him get the benefit in their own game of him playing in that position is another argument. 


He's incorrectly underrated by our fans. He's a teddy Sheringham or a Matt le tisser at times. His debut goal was no fluke. He needs more organisation around him, as basically he's an artist and not an orchestrator. Work a team to play half towards his preferred style of play and he will adapt. We may well see him at his best when he's not working so hard to balance things up for the team.
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September 30, 2018, 07:01:01 PM
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He's incorrectly underrated by our fans. He's a teddy Sheringham or a Matt le tisser at times. His debut goal was no fluke. He needs more organisation around him, as basically he's an artist and not an orchestrator. Work a team to play half towards his preferred style of play and he will adapt. We may well see him at his best when he's not working so hard to balance things up for the team.

Sigurdsson is a lovely striker of the ball, with a good brain, and a high defensive work rate, but he isn’t a magician like LeTissier or a classy linkman and finisher like Sheringham.

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September 30, 2018, 07:02:10 PM
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I don't think many are. He's our top scorer so far this season so he's contributing where he needs to.

He's not been great in the main though and he does need to work on his positional play but I think that's because we don't have a striker with real pace who can go the other way and stretch the game. All too often him and Tosun occupy the same 10 yard radius but if we extrapolate his goal return so far across a whole season he'll have done his job. Whether others around him get the benefit in their own game of him playing in that position is another argument. 

I think we'd see the benefits of playing him slightly deeper rather than behind the striker. We have a problem with no one able to play a pass forward from deep.. He'd be able to do that better if played deeper... Can't beat a bit of deep play is all I'm saying.


September 30, 2018, 07:22:17 PM
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Sigurdsson is a lovely striker of the ball, with a good brain, and a high defensive work rate, but he isn’t a magician like LeTissier or a classy linkman and finisher like Sheringham.




No. You're right. He's not on the same level as them, but look at both his goals yesterday. Both through packed defenders and placed.
I was going to post this yesterday, but thought it's of no interest to the game everyone else is watching, but this gives me an opportunity.

 As Sigurdsson was running onto the ball, my stream went down. I'd already seen the only direction the ball could go for him to stick it in the net. Two minutes later, I got the stream back. We were level at 1-1. I thought, no! That wasn't gylfi's chance, we must have scored a little bit later. Then I saw a recording of the goal. Even the commentator compared him to Teddy Sheringham. That's what I heard and saw yesterday. He's not proven anywhere near their class yet, and maybe never will, but he has got some of that in his locker.
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September 30, 2018, 07:54:13 PM
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No. You're right. He's not on the same level as them, but look at both his goals yesterday. Both through packed defenders and placed.
I was going to post this yesterday, but thought it's of no interest to the game everyone else is watching, but this gives me an opportunity.

 As Sigurdsson was running onto the ball, my stream went down. I'd already seen the only direction the ball could go for him to stick it in the net. Two minutes later, I got the stream back. We were level at 1-1. I thought, no! That wasn't gylfi's chance, we must have scored a little bit later. Then I saw a recording of the goal. Even the commentator compared him to Teddy Sheringham. That's what I heard and saw yesterday. He's not proven anywhere near their class yet, and maybe never will, but he has got some of that in his locker.

Yeah, superb finishes yesterday, and a few really good throughballs too, so I’m hopeful he can kick on now.

Ideally I’d like him to become our #8, linking play from deeper, and arriving late in the box and finishing like a boss. Probably won’t, though.
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September 30, 2018, 07:57:49 PM
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Sigurdsson is a lovely striker of the ball, with a good brain, and a high defensive work rate, but he isn’t a magician like LeTissier or a classy linkman and finisher like Sheringham.



Did you see Le Tiss live ? He was the most overrated player ,an odd nice touch but no special player -well not one i wanted in our team .He was hot and cold like Mirallas .Never not never a great ,only to Southampton fans .

September 30, 2018, 08:01:24 PM
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On Bernard I agree that the moment he stopped was the sign that he will be a great addition .The first memory of Andy Gray was when he did the same but on the other side of the box and gave it to Inchy ,for me it was the defining moment of the eighties team coming good  , yes the Oxford match but the one pass that still sticks in my mind as our turning point .

September 30, 2018, 08:03:01 PM
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Yeah, superb finishes yesterday, and a few really good throughballs too, so I’m hopeful he can kick on now.

Ideally I’d like him to become our #8, linking play from deeper, and arriving late in the box and finishing like a boss. Probably won’t, though.


I don't know what Silva has planned for him, he's a quality player but needs accomodation from others so he's not always pivotal. I think he justifies his place with goals, assists and workrate. The icing on the top, is that mercurial artful level. There's no doubt that he has it. Marco Silva may well get that out of him, I hope he does, because we'll love it. :)
 
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September 30, 2018, 08:29:02 PM
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Did you see Le Tiss live ? He was the most overrated player ,an odd nice touch but no special player -well not one i wanted in our team .He was hot and cold like Mirallas .Never not never a great ,only to Southampton fans .

He was the first AM to score 100 goals in the EPL. To compare him to Mirallas is embarrassing.
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September 30, 2018, 08:30:54 PM
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He was the first AM to score 100 goals in the EPL. To compare him to Mirallas is embarrassing.

I said he blew hot and cold like Mirallas ,who would be embarassed ? Me ? fuck off .

September 30, 2018, 08:31:46 PM
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I said he blew hot and cold like Mirallas ,who would be embarassed ? Me ? fuck off .

He also scored 47 out of his 48 penalties.

Again, a bit different from Mirallas.
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September 30, 2018, 08:33:05 PM
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He also scored 47 out of his 48 penalties.

Again, a bit different from Mirallas.

He still blew hot and cold ,he was known for turning up at some games and not interested in others -like Mirallas.