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October 04, 2018, 11:34:38 PM
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 The big six have the same problem,you can count on one hand how many developed youth players are established first teamers.
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October 04, 2018, 11:43:51 PM
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You need a certain level of intelligence to take on board information. Thinking and decision making weren't his strongest traits.

October 04, 2018, 11:46:13 PM
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October 05, 2018, 03:10:19 AM
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I wholeheartedly agree with Barkley on this one....he’s talking about tactical coaching not personal coaching....

I see it all the time.....you can read it on here even....and part of the answer to the other thread re the youngsters in the first team why they “don’t make it”...is what he’s suggesting...

At academy level you try to coach players to be footballers from a young age to a certain age rather than say to be a right back Centre back Centre forward etc...some are obviously better than others and progress quicker and “find” their position. I remember Harry maguire being a centre forward when he joined Barnsley because he was big strong and scored loadsa goals for his local team....he moved into Centre midfield wen he was about 10 but was playing in the u12’s... wen he was 12 he was moved into central defence..in the u14’s.......3 different positions learning the game at a higher level.....that’s all personal coaching and development......the tactical coaching comes when they’re at an age where they’ve found their position and are playing in systems and formations.....

If you have many different managers using different systems and formations that needs to be coached into players.....that’s what he’s talking about when he’s talking about coaching...

The system doesn’t make the player....the player makes the system....that’s why they have to be coached in it......

How many times do we see players played out of position...then they get slaughtered for playing crap ?

Just my 2 cents......

October 05, 2018, 03:41:47 AM
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Koeman went out of his way to try and help him. He talked him up in the press but pointed out he needed to improve and work harder...and it seemed to be working. Then everything went to pot and the whole team fell apart.

We’ve all watched Ross stand by and watch players stroll past him while he daydreamed or hold onto the ball for way too long instead of picking his head up and playing a simple pass. Same issues year after year.

He had a natural talent but didn’t progress. If he’d have held his hands up and said he was as much at fault, if not more, as the coaching it would have been fair.

October 05, 2018, 03:52:09 AM
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Most young players don’t get the pleasure of working under a coach with as clear a philosophy as Sarri.
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October 05, 2018, 04:11:00 AM
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Amazing he got a move to a Champions League regular team if all the above is true.

October 05, 2018, 06:44:34 AM
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Watching us especially midfield and defence we do look clueless, shapeless and lacking a plan, and as it's looking no different sometimes under the 4th boss, although early days under Silva obviously, Barkley may not be far off the mark, hard as it might be to hear from him for some. He's now playing where he must see a world of difference coaching wise, even if he hasn't been first choice i hope the lad does well and wish he was still here.
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October 05, 2018, 07:04:46 AM
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I know he's very unpopular but I think he has a point.

It's not just him. Look at the lack of progression from all of the young players at the club over the past decade (plus). We're pretty good at getting players to the "good enough to be considered for the first team" phase but awful at getting them any further. Martinez got the "best" out of our young players (I mean this comparatively) because he was actually willing to play them. But even then, their progression was limited because they weren't really learning good habits.

The progression from Barely Interested -> Dreamer -> Dinosaur(s) hasn't been good for player development. Let's hope Silva brings something more. The biggest part of Spurs' recent jump into the upper class of the Premier League is the brilliant work Pochettino has done working with and improving their young players. We need some of that here.

Edit: I should add that I'm not saying he shouldn't take at least some responsibility for his lack of progression. He obviously should. But I don't think he's far off about the standard of coaching here




That's comparitive? Criticise and agree with his point. We stood by him with a broken leg and still, he was allowed to develop; we supported him. Moneys involved here. Cover him all you like. This is the new age of footballers. Yeah! perhaps, he did need to move on.
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October 05, 2018, 07:53:47 AM
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Most young players don’t get the pleasure of working under a coach with as clear a philosophy as Sarri.
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October 05, 2018, 12:47:47 PM
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Maybe Barkley is right. But you look at the other youngsters in the team at the same time as Barkley.
Lukaku huge progression
Stones huge progression
I would even say Pickford, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin, Davies, Kenny have all progressed significantly since coming into the team.
Surely all of these had the same coaches as Barkley had.

October 05, 2018, 01:27:30 PM
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The shape/space awareness when we are under attack is still very sketchy, we look like we are going to concede every time still, it's vital it's sorted, sure it will be.
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October 05, 2018, 03:18:11 PM
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Maybe Barkley is right. But you look at the other youngsters in the team at the same time as Barkley.
Lukaku huge progression
Stones huge progression
I would even say Pickford, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin, Davies, Kenny have all progressed significantly since coming into the team.
Surely all of these had the same coaches as Barkley had.

Pickford was brought through at another club and also had loans elsewhere, the rest are hardly the benchmark of success...

October 05, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
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Pickford was brought through at another club and also had loans elsewhere, the rest are hardly the benchmark of success...

Lukaku and Stones are very relevant examples tbh.
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October 05, 2018, 04:20:21 PM
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Watching us especially midfield and defence we do look clueless, shapeless and lacking a plan, and as it's looking no different sometimes under the 4th boss, although early days under Silva obviously, Barkley may not be far off the mark, hard as it might be to hear from him for some. He's now playing where he must see a world of difference coaching wise, even if he hasn't been first choice i hope the lad does well and wish he was still here.

Probably playing alongside world class players helps as well mate, even then he just looks ordinary, plays safe and still loses the ball in dangerous places. Hope his new coaching goes well for him, no matter where it is.
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