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November 06, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
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Just some thoughts on set pieces under Silva, I’d be interested to see what others think.

Corners:

I’m personally not a fan of outswingers but it seems to be Silva’s preference. Although we’re not scoring it seems we’re getting heads on a lot of corners, just not taking advantage.

Is that due to the corner itself or because Keane and Zouma aren’t goalscorers like some CBs are?

Direct Free Kicks:

Is it just me or has Sig been really bad at these for some time now? Seems like he hits the wall every time.

Without Baines on the pitch do we have any competition? Maybe Digne, Bernard, Richarlison or Walcott?


November 06, 2018, 01:24:38 PM
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Just some thoughts on set pieces under Silva, I’d be interested to see what others think.

Corners:

I’m personally not a fan of outswingers but it seems to be Silva’s preference. Although we’re not scoring it seems we’re getting heads on a lot of corners, just not taking advantage.

Is that due to the corner itself or because Keane and Zouma aren’t goalscorers like some CBs are?

Direct Free Kicks:

Is it just me or has Sig been really bad at these for some time now? Seems like he hits the wall every time.

Without Baines on the pitch do we have any competition? Maybe Digne, Bernard, Richarlison or Walcott?

Hope to see an improvement with our scoring ratio at corners, when Mina is finally integrated into the team. He's always been a massive threat in the air, the world cup proved that, though who to drop would be a massive call.
Set pieces I agree with you, like Sigurdsson, but his direct free kicks, which were one of his strengths everywhere else, have been appalling for us, he always seems to hit the wall. Digne for me and maybe give Gomes a try, might be the kick up the backside, Sigurdsson needs.
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November 06, 2018, 01:27:22 PM
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Jamokachi


Shit, tin-pot teams rely on scoring from set plays. If we do, great. Concentrating on creating chances from open play should however always be the priority.


November 06, 2018, 01:28:53 PM
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School of Science


Shit, tin-pot teams rely on scoring from set plays. If we do, great. Concentrating on creating chances from open play should however always be the priority.

Is that you Roberto ?
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November 06, 2018, 01:30:28 PM
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Is that you Roberto ?

No, because I think not practice both attacking and defensive scenarios is mad. But they do only take up a very small percentage of game time.

November 06, 2018, 01:41:11 PM
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No, because I think not practice both attacking and defensive scenarios is mad. But they do only take up a very small percentage of game time.

Sometimes though if your not playing well, they can be the difference. Liverpool of all clubs, have a specialist long throw coach employed now. Know it's a bit random that, but that's a kind of dead ball situation. Think what the original poster means is he's disappointed with our dead ball delivery this year. The only corner we've scored off was the opposition's last week.
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November 06, 2018, 01:49:27 PM
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Think the World Cup showed the amount of leverage you can take from simple set piece work.

Apparently inswinging corners are more likely to generate a shot, while outswingers are more likely to retain possession. I believe short corners are generally better than both - when a shot is generated from a short corner routine, your chance of converting shoots up.

Interestingly we are the worst side at attacking and defending corners in the prem this year, and Gylfi has the worst corner record in the league in terms of deliveries resulting in goals - that’s over a season or two that.

How much is system and how much is adapting to that newer system and how much is individual issues - not having a 6 foot 4 striker like we usually have etc.

I think it’s actually smart and progressive to put some work in on set piece routines, especially since we don’t have prolific open play creators (except for Bernard maybe & the whip crosses tactic). A lot of our chances have come from dead balls, but we’ve not been great at converting - big Micheal Keane the reverse Funes Mori who gets his head on EVERYTHING in our half, but turns into a total 50 penga head in the opposition box, should have had a few I think. Same for Zouma. Mina probably will make a difference but probably not as much of a difference as better set piece routines.
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November 06, 2018, 01:57:47 PM
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Would prefer to see inswinging corners, easier to get a glance on it towards the goal rather than having to get a sweet contact to generate power to redirect it completely as from out swinging corners. But inswingers tend to be easier for keepers to get to

November 06, 2018, 02:06:53 PM
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We scored from a corner on Saturday, admittedly it wasn't from our own corner like


November 06, 2018, 03:25:42 PM
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Shit, tin-pot teams rely on scoring from set plays. If we do, great. Concentrating on creating chances from open play should however always be the priority.

What a bizarre statement. It's not an either/or scenario.

November 06, 2018, 04:37:05 PM
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What a bizarre statement. It's not an either/or scenario.

Well, some managers pride themselves on their teams being potent from set piece scenarios. These scenarios represent a small portion of the game, and even the best set piece specialists only convert at a very low percentage. So, spending too much time perfecting set plays can be seen as being counter-productive to practising open play scenarios, which represent the majority of the game. So whilst it isn't an "either or" situation you do have to prioritise based on the finite time available for training. Set plays will, and should always be down the priority order.

November 06, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
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We have been generally very poor at set pieces for some time now particularly corners....the percentage of corners we score from (even without looking or knowing the stats) I would say is very poor.....


Totally disagree with Jamockachi point of view regarding set pieces....teams actually train to win set peices if play breaks down when they're on the attack believe it or not as they see it as a means to: regain possession....keep posession and have an attempt on goal..so it is part of a game plan....

One thing I don't get what we do... is to let Siggy take the corners... One of our tallest players....whilst our smallest players stay away from them....let Bernard/Walcott/Digne etc take the corners and put siggurdson in the box for his height...

we seem to have stopped being creative with our free kicks to recently....cant remember who it was against earlier in the season the free kick Walcott scored from when I think baines played it into schneiderlin…. 1st touch through ball to Walcott in the box who scored....
where's all that creativity gone ?

November 06, 2018, 07:31:58 PM
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I read a while back that statistically corners are a poor provider of goals. Maybe that's the thought behind the out swinger to retain possession and try to create from the second phase. Another good little innovation from Marco.

November 06, 2018, 07:47:30 PM
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Find it a bit strange how stale the free kicks have been recently.

Remember the goal in the first game of the season from a free kick straight from the training ground? I assumed Silva was someone who worked hard on them during the week but since then it's mainly been Sig hammering them into the wall!!

November 06, 2018, 09:26:49 PM
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A well-designed set play routine is near-impossible defend. They're an easy source of goals for teams willing to invest the time in them.

We should be squeezing a lot more out of dead ball opportunities with Sigurdsson in the team and Richarlison being one of the best in the league at winning fouls.

Maybe we'll see an uptick in set piece chance creation when Mina starts playing. He's probably the best target we have on our books.