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May 13, 2019, 03:36:10 PM
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stirlingblue


Iíve seen a few bits of analysis showing how we look compared to last season but I thought a better comparison would be vs our latest managers who had a full season so I pulled some quick stats on it.

Comparing to the shambles of last season would make anybody look good, whereas this shows weíve still got a fair bit of improvement to make.

Iím no longer on the ĎSilva Outí bandwagon as we ended the season very well, but Iíd by no means consider this season to be a successful one.


May 13, 2019, 03:44:34 PM
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TheRam

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Havenít seen anyone say this season has been successful.
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May 13, 2019, 03:52:38 PM
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Cozzie


This seasons been shite.

But we have improved on last season, albeit marginally.


May 13, 2019, 03:55:11 PM
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stirlingblue


Haven't seen anyone say this season has been successful.

Perhaps not on here but Iíve seen people on other platforms talking about how weíre so much better than last season, which is a bare minimum standard

May 13, 2019, 04:23:07 PM
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We've ended up with a functioning team at the end of this season. Not a rabble of disconnected individuals. This in my view, is the most positive aspect Silva has given back to us this season. The 6 signings have all shown very good positives. The only question mark, is whether Yerry Mina turns out as well as the rest. We have the basis of a decent team. Silvas' next job is to consolidate, with any new signings that are felt necessary to improve. If we're looking for anything that can be deemed successful, it's that the comradery is back. :cheers:
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May 13, 2019, 04:35:23 PM
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I think the stats only prove how much harder it is to inherit a team that is struggling. Martinez took over one of the most stable teams in the country from Moyes, and everyone knew their roles inside out. Martinez then built on that, and to be honest, we were unlucky not to finish in the CL places. The rest as we know is history.

All credit to Silva for recovering in the way that we have this season. Success can be measured in a number of ways, and although history will look back at this season and say we stagnated, only the fans know how far we have come from that disastrous 2017/18 season.


May 13, 2019, 06:50:52 PM
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Too many variables.

Martinez took over a well settled team.

Koeman took over a team that were a mess defensively but still had good players at a decent age.

Silva has taken over a squad stacked with bad players and old players that were once relied on (the latter being Baines, Jagielka, Coleman). As well as a group of players recovering from a season of Sam Allardyce.
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May 13, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
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Too many ways to make excuses you mean.

Its his job to sort it out and it feels like he has, unfortunately too late to do anything in the league and not before we gut pumped out the cups to shite sides.

We did get a few big moments which was a big relief after last year's drudgery, but we should set a reasonable level of expectation next year, transfers depending of course.
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May 13, 2019, 07:10:14 PM
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I donít really see the need to make these comparisons other than using it as a stick to beat silva with.

Hopefully silva goes on to have a much better second season than either of the two knobheads mentioned.
Hey there mister can you tell me what happened to the seeds I've sown
Can you give me a reason sir as to why they've never grown

May 13, 2019, 07:12:17 PM
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No oneís making excuses. They are giving context, which is essential. Some people donít appear to like context.

Expectations will and should be higher next year. If we repeat the same results/position/cup performances next year, then criticism will be much more reasonable and justifiable.
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May 13, 2019, 07:23:24 PM
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I think context is fine but it shouldn't excuse anything. You can find enough contextual evidence to excuse bad performance for almost anything, god knows I did with Martinez, Ross, stones for long enough.

Based on context and performance - he's underwhelmed, with some green shoots.
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May 13, 2019, 07:45:55 PM
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And nobody is saying otherwise.
Hey there mister can you tell me what happened to the seeds I've sown
Can you give me a reason sir as to why they've never grown

May 13, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
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Nobodys said this season has been a success, it's been slightly below par however weve improved on goals scored, less conceded, more clean sheets, more wins, and weve got a style of play and everyone pulling in the same direction now, were in good shape for next season with a good summer.

BBC even put an article out today with the heading Everton for champions league? - Ok nobody is expecting that, but with our improved results against the top 6 and no European distraction you can expect us to challenge the top 6 a lot more next season, maybe even sneak in. Man United are in a mess.

Id grade the season overall a D - because of poor runs in the cup and bad period over Christmas until feb, but March - May would be an A, and we look good now, silvas got his ideas across and the players seem to really work for him
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May 13, 2019, 09:53:12 PM
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This was always going to be a transitional season, and I give Marco at least an A- grade so far.  We look like a real team, got some massive results against the "big" clubs, and are substantially ahead of schedule.

Our mish-mash roster would have meant genuine relegation danger - plus more bloated contracts - had Fat Sam stayed.
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May 13, 2019, 10:38:01 PM
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Fuck all the comparison shite .....I havnt felt this good about where we are going as a club for fucking years .... it's onward and upward from here I rekon .

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