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May 14, 2019, 12:00:04 AM
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BlueBeagle


This was always going to be a transitional season, and I give Marco at least an A- grade so far.  We look like a real team, got some massive results against the "big" clubs, and are substantially ahead of schedule.

Our mish-mash roster would have meant genuine relegation danger - plus more bloated contracts - had Fat Sam stayed.

Are you on this planet?

Fucking A- lolol

As for Sam getting us relegated... As he's a specialist in avoiding relegation, and absolutely nothing else, I'd say the threat of that was zero had he stayed.

And in 'soccer' it's a squad, not roster.

Absolute heads-gone post on x3 separate counts :titanic:
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May 14, 2019, 12:12:46 AM
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A bit of logic is needed when looking at these comparison charts.

As said, Martinez took over a very stable, well drilled and cohesive team.

Koeman took over a team with Lukaku banging them in for fun.

Silva's Everton were disjointed and bereft of confidence. Not to mention largely unmotivated and untalented. Now we look the opposite, so he deserves credit.


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May 14, 2019, 04:56:31 AM
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BlueNoseMike


Always hard to compare different seasons. We finished 7th with Koeman, 15 points ahead of 8th. 8th that year got a points tally that would have them 13th this year.

The middle of the league is far better than it has been for years, so Silva's numbers stand up pretty well when all that is factored in, especially since he didn't have a 25 goals striker like Koeman.

all that we can say is there has been progress made, but there is still room for improvement. People constantly getting on Silva's back after recent months need to fucking do one tbh


May 14, 2019, 05:01:04 AM
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Are you on this planet?

Fucking A- lolol

As for Sam getting us relegated... As he's a specialist in avoiding relegation, and absolutely nothing else, I'd say the threat of that was zero had he stayed.

And in 'soccer' it's a squad, not roster.

Absolute heads-gone post on x3 separate counts :titanic:

You need fuck off with shite like that! If he calls it roster because that is what americans do, then fair enough! What is the problem with that? Clown

May 14, 2019, 05:35:45 AM
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Are you on this planet?

Fucking A- lolol

As for Sam getting us relegated... As he's a specialist in avoiding relegation, and absolutely nothing else, I'd say the threat of that was zero had he stayed.

And in 'soccer' it's a squad, not roster.

Absolute heads-gone post on x3 separate counts :titanic:

Probably donít need to be such a dickhead about where heís from like.

May 14, 2019, 10:09:30 AM
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blueski


Its so hard to analyse these stats and come up with something conclusive about them.

I was trying but the only thing I can think of is how each manager impacted the team over time. With Roberto you look at his first season which was arguably our best season in ages but his 2nd season was absolutely dire - did he have a positive effect where he improved the team? Seems conclusively no.

Koeman? Its hard to judge him by the stats alone as he didn't get a lot of time. The football was poor in the weeks leading up to his sacking but to be fair to him its unclear whether this was all him or a failure by Walsh to bring in a forward and the right players. Certainly the two together failed.

Silva? he's had one season. He started off poorly but the team and play has improved of late. Need more time to judge - will he tail off like RM or will we continue to improve? Of the three at least the trajectory from beginning of tenure to end is (moderately) upward
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May 14, 2019, 11:14:56 AM
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Silva as discussed inherited a totally different situation ,for me the signs are that he has made a team from players old and new that is showing good signs ,he has recovered a team that was massively out of confidence and given them some back ,he has beaten top six sides and he has been instrumental in bringing in some fine players and getting rid of some not needed here .Not bad for one season ,I am happy well yes because of the last few months ,is it enough -obviously no .

May 14, 2019, 03:31:24 PM
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Trowel


Some stats in the Echo today comparing with last season.

A new initialism to learn is PPDA, which is Passes Per Defensive Action which focuses on how many passes a team allows before pressing to regain the ball (apparently), for which we were joint second in the league behind only Citeh. Promising.



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May 14, 2019, 04:18:34 PM
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Cozzie


Thought this was interesting.

Shows how much Silva has improved us from last year at least.


May 14, 2019, 04:49:15 PM
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Tinga


That first Martinez season was amazing, everything felt right. I remember listening to the podcast of him on here and thinking 'This is the guy whose going to finally let me see this team win something and truly compete' Shame how it all ended.

May 14, 2019, 04:58:27 PM
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Toddacelli


This was always going to be a transitional season, and I give Marco at least an A- grade so far.  We look like a real team, got some massive results against the "big" clubs, and are substantially ahead of schedule.

Our mish-mash roster would have meant genuine relegation danger - plus more bloated contracts - had Fat Sam stayed.

I also think this stuff about a 'transition season' is right - but I actually think it will be two seasons. He's got current squad more or less on the same page by the end of last season, now he has to add and build - we are in for another 'transistion season'.

Gone are the days when you could write one season off and expect to fix everything in the summer and be competitive next season.

It'll be another season of building identity next season and by then I hope we'll be in a position to be genuinely competitive.
    

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May 14, 2019, 05:16:10 PM
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Cozzie


That first Martinez season was amazing, everything felt right. I remember listening to the podcast of him on here and thinking 'This is the guy whose going to finally let me see this team win something and truly compete' Shame how it all ended.

To think as well we achieved 72 points that season and got 5th.

This season 72 would have got 3rd.

We really deserved CL that season.

May 14, 2019, 05:49:00 PM
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BlueBeagle


You need fuck off with shite like that! If he calls it roster because that is what americans do, then fair enough! What is the problem with that? Clown

Well for a start it's not right the correct terminology is it?

So when combined with the absolute nonsense that preceeded it...

May 14, 2019, 06:11:31 PM
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Well for a start it's not right the correct terminology is it?

So when combined with the absolute nonsense that preceeded it...

His opinions can be a bit rogue but he's American so if he's uses American terminology why is that an issue?
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May 14, 2019, 06:19:31 PM
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Some stats in the Echo today comparing with last season.

A new initialism to learn is PPDA, which is Passes Per Defensive Action which focuses on how many passes a team allows before pressing to regain the ball (apparently), for which we were joint second in the league behind only Citeh. Promising.



https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/marco-silva-everton-sam-allardyce-16268773

Goals, passes, and chances created should be better.

Would imagine a creative midfielder and a striker should see us rank a lot higher.

Other than that it's as good as you can expect. Off the ball we are very, very good. As good as I can ever remember tbh
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