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Europa League/Heitinga

Started by Chris, December 08, 2009, 01:53:57 pm

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Endless, Nameless

Athletico have qualified for the Europa league. Does anyone know what that DEFINITELY means for us and Heitinga. I'm sick of these stupid rules anyway, if he can't that will be 100 different kinds of unfair
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Endless, Nameless

"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute. Set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."


Risky

Quote from: ThomWhy are we all still talking about him not being able to play? Atletico finished bottom because Apoel score one more and conceded five less. Therefore Atletico aren't in the Europa League so we can play Heitinga.

As was pointed out earlier in the thread it's head to head record and not goal difference that counts.  Atletico finished 3rd and are in the Europa League.

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Gash

Quote from: ThomWhy are we all still talking about him not being able to play? Atletico finished bottom because Apoel score one more and conceded five less. Therefore Atletico aren't in the Europa League so we can play Heitinga.

Third according to this mate. It goes on head to head, not G/D

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/cups/championsleague/standings/

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/cups/championsleague/reports/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/09/12/08/SOCCER_Atletico_Madrid_Nightlead.html&TEAMHD=championsleague

blargins

Well, whores will have their trinkets.

Ridge

The BBC's final tables show APOEL as 3rd, UEFA official site shows Athletico as 3rd. So away goals do count in the head to head and it didn't go to goal difference, BBC must have it wrong I assume.

I still can't believe this will decide if we can register Heitinga or not.

cantoffee

So they count it on head to head away goals in the group stage? Even if this didn't affect heitinga that's a fucking retarded format, as is his inability to register for us because they fell into the competition. UEFA needs sorting.

Confucius

What I don;t understand is why he would be ineligible. Even if he played a few champion's league qualifying games. All the Champs leagues teams would have played in 2 competitions. Also, if he plays against them now it will be in adifferent competition to te one he played in. So barring him from playing is akin to playing in the premier league and sold to another  team but not able to play in the FA cup.

Very strange
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Ridge

It's good to see the location of the 2 goals in their games, plays a bigger factor than having a goal difference advantage of 6 goals. The number of throw ins must have been equal and they are working their way up instead of down.

Gash

The OS will no doubt confirm the situation, around July. ::s

Flusky

Why the hell does head to head count more than Goal Difference?!

Confucius

Why do throw in count at all?
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Risky

In a short group stage I think that head to head actually is a better way of deciding.  

When 2 teams are equal, why is is illogical to separate them by their results against each other?  Yes, we normally use goal difference, but that doesn't automatically make it the right way to decide.

I think that separating teams by results against each other is a far better way of doing it than by separating by which one lost 2-0 and which one lost 3-0 in one game.  I'm simplifying but that's more or less what it comes down to!

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Ridge

Quote from: RiskyIn a short group stage I think that head to head actually is a better way of deciding.  

When 2 teams are equal, why is is illogical to separate them by their results against each other?  Yes, we normally use goal difference, but that doesn't automatically make it the right way to decide.

I think that separating teams by results against each other is a far better way of doing it than by separating by which one lost 2-0 and which one lost 3-0 in one game.  I'm simplifying but that's more or less what it comes down to!
I can understand the reasoning for head to head as a decider, but I think away goals in the head to head should be behind goal difference. It works in knock out rounds as a good decider, but in a league format I can't see the reasoning other than simplicity.

I think they introduced the head to head, to stop teams gaining an advantage in the final games. But in more instances this would put some teams out of contention before the final game. I think it has the effect of making more games insignificant.

Chazman

Blarg, why take this thread and post it on that other site at 01:41.
 There is no one on there anyway. At least try to be original over there

Flusky

Quote from: RiskyIn a short group stage I think that head to head actually is a better way of deciding.  

When 2 teams are equal, why is is illogical to separate them by their results against each other?  Yes, we normally use goal difference, but that doesn't automatically make it the right way to decide.

I think that separating teams by results against each other is a far better way of doing it than by separating by which one lost 2-0 and which one lost 3-0 in one game.  I'm simplifying but that's more or less what it comes down to!

Because if we were in that situation and we went out despite beating another team, it would be fair since we shouldn't really have lost 4-0 to Benfica.

Why to EUFA have to bend the rules every year to cater for their pet teams?

Flusky