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Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 09, 2009, 05:11:22 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1234250/Lee-Carsley-set-exit-Alex-McLeishs-January-shake-Birmingham.html













Just kidding, we're not that desperate.
Title: Carsley
Post by: nomorechang on December 09, 2009, 07:09:14 pm
Quote from: blarginshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1234250/Lee-Carsley-set-exit-Alex-McLeishs-January-shake-Birmingham.html













Just kidding, we're not that desperate.


Stubbsys return a few ywars ago transformed the team due to his effect in the dressing room .. Maybe Cars could do the same ?
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 09, 2009, 07:26:05 pm
Well, as long as he remains in the dressing room.
Title: Carsley
Post by: fast lane on December 10, 2009, 01:14:36 am
Quote from: blarginsWell, as long as he remains in the dressing room.

:nod:
Title: Carsley
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2009, 04:50:04 am
I'd register him as a player coach, he could do a job if needed.

IT'S SUPER LEE FOR FUCK SAKE!!!
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 05:10:52 am
But he wasn't really that super, was he? And we have moved on big time from that standard.
Title: Carsley
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2009, 05:25:17 am
Let's face it he WAS SUPER! He was the most consistant performer for years and gave his all, with about 90% of his actions going unnoticed.

Read my earlier comment because I said "PLAYER COACH", I wouldn't wan't him playing week in week out, he would be BACK-UP!!!
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 05:39:04 am
He was passionate, I give him that. He could tackle, I give him that. The trouble is, he'd win the ball and give it away again. We have plenty of grafters, we need flair now. Someone who can keep the ball.

God we need Arteta back so much.
Title: Carsley
Post by: 4-ever-ton on December 10, 2009, 05:39:42 am
Quote from: blarginsBut he wasn't really that super, was he? And we have moved on big time from that standard.

He scored against the Shite and therefore will forever be rememeberd at Goodison with warm sentiments. Another short term deal if we so go for him though, more as a bit part player...not sure if we need him though.
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 05:41:19 am
Ah, he scored against the shite. Jolly good. Makes him the best player in the world then.

AJ must be god then lol
Title: Carsley
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2009, 05:57:34 am
Carsley was here longer than AJ, AJ will always be remembered and loved for that derby
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 05:59:57 am
What's that got to do with anything though? Sure, he can be thought of for the goal (AJ too), doesn't make him a brilliant player though.
Title: Carsley
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2009, 06:27:19 am
Quote from: blarginsWhat's that got to do with anything though? Sure, he can be thought of for the goal (AJ too), doesn't make him a brilliant player though.
I don't remember once saying ANYTHING about Carsley or even AJ being "a brilliant player", infact a said Carsley would be a good back-up player/ coach. So I really don't know what your talking about.

This thread is about Carsley and would he be worth another go or nor and a said yes, only in a minor role, which is MY opinion, I like Carsley, and so do many others for his derby winning goal.
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 06:50:51 am
No, but super is on the same lines as brilliant, is it not?
Title: Carsley
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2009, 07:18:01 am
IT'S A NICKNAME!!!

Gravesen was called "Mad Dog" doesn't mean he's a DOG!!!

I really don't know what else to say 'cos you my friend are talkin out your ARSE!!!
Title: Carsley
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2009, 07:22:22 am
IT'S A NICKNAME!!!

Gravesen was called "Mad Dog" doesn't mean he's a DOG!!!

I really don't know what else to say 'cos you my friend are talkin out your ARSE!!!
Title: Carsley
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 10, 2009, 07:25:49 am
I'd love him to work at Everton - behind the scenes. He's such a nice guy, and with a great passion for the game. He's just not good enough on the pitch for us anymore, unfortunately. But yes, I loved stubbsy and was made up to hear he came back for a coaching role. I'd love Carsley to do the same.
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 07:26:45 am
So when you said

"Let's face it he WAS SUPER! He was the most consistant performer for years and gave his all, with about 90% of his actions going unnoticed."

you were only talking about his nickname? That was in answer to my question "he wasn't really that super, was he?".

So either you are saying he was super, as in good, or you have changed the context of this debate into it just being his nickname.

Either way, he is not even good enough for Brum and we certainly don't need him here.
Title: Carsley
Post by: Flusky on December 10, 2009, 07:36:19 am
Carsley was a monster. I'd love to have him back.
Title: Carsley
Post by: }-m-a-c-c-a-{ on December 10, 2009, 07:37:35 am
He was SUPER for scoring against the shite thats when he got the nickname, you said he wasn't that super as a reply to me calling him SUPER LEE (AS IN, HIS NICKNAME!!!)

The context was still his nickname until you changed it, or maybe I was talking about his nickname and you was talking about his ability!

Just admit that you have misread my meaning of SUPER and I'll forgive you.
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 07:52:01 am
Ok, he was super for that one goal, and mostly average the rest of the time.

I'll compromise on that :biggrin:
Title: Carsley
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 10, 2009, 08:39:31 am
Blarg, I think your being exceptionally harsh on a brilliant servant to this club.  Carsley still hasnt been replaced - Neville? Heitinga? Neither have performed to the same level as Carsley when he was here.  He was no Ronaldo, sure, but he covered the field, added strength to our defensive abilities, and in the year before Gravesen left for Madrid formed a fantastic middle partnership.

I would maintain hes the best defensive midfielder we have had for donkeys years, so go easy on the fella.

As for getting him back? Well no, hes not the same player, and we are not the same team, it would be like Gravesens return all over again.
Title: Carsley
Post by: blargins on December 10, 2009, 08:50:39 am
Maybe I am being a bit harsh, just never took to him that much.

In terms of replacing him, I would argue that Arteta has taken the role on, albeit in a different context ie we keep the ball more with Arteta, negating the need to win it back in the first place. Well, until he got injured that is.

For me, we still haven't replaced Peter Reid, not Lee Carsley though. Been waiting 20 odd years for that to happen.
Title: Carsley
Post by: Blueney-tunes on December 10, 2009, 08:56:30 am
Quote from: NomadskiEFCBlarg, I think your being exceptionally harsh on a brilliant servant to this club.  Carsley still hasnt been replaced - Neville? Heitinga? Neither have performed to the same level as Carsley when he was here.  He was no Ronaldo, sure, but he covered the field, added strength to our defensive abilities, and in the year before Gravesen left for Madrid formed a fantastic middle partnership.

I would maintain hes the best defensive midfielder we have had for donkeys years, so go easy on the fella.

As for getting him back? Well no, hes not the same player, and we are not the same team, it would be like Gravesens return all over again.

Blatantly this!
Cars = Dynamo!
Title: Carsley
Post by: fast lane on December 10, 2009, 09:01:43 am
I'm amazed this is going on.
His playing days are more or less over at the top level, yes he served us well, but get over it.
He's a Brummie boy, lives there, and probably doesn't want to move.
That more or less shuts the door on all things concerning Everton.
Title: Carsley
Post by: Thom on December 10, 2009, 09:05:54 am
He was decent for what we needed at the time, but we don't need his like anymore. Arteta and Fellaini can both fill the 'defensive' midfield role and they can also play balls into the feet, and even in Arteta's case dictate the play for us.

Carsley couldn't do that. He could tackle and protected the back four, but we've moved on from that. He's not needed.
Title: Carsley
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 10, 2009, 09:56:11 am
Im a bit confused why some dont think we need a good defensive midfielder.  Essien and before him Makalele for Chelsea, Mascherano for RS, Song for Arsenal, and when hes fit Hargreaves for Manure for the "big four". The you have the likes of Palacios (sic?) Reo Coker, Diarra etc etc etc

Most teams have defensive midfielders, even those that play possesion football. Fellaini is in no way a good defensive midfielder, at all. He cant tackle, too slow to react, and frankly spends too much time chasing bunnies to be effective as a shield.

We havent moved on from Carsley, we just havent replaced him. I thought Neville would do a job as that, and hes better than Fellaini for the role, but still lacking vs Carsley from a few years back.

Blarg - I had Reid in mind when I said Cars being best defensive midfielder weve had for ages, ages being 20 years hehe.