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The Everton Forum / Financial Results Announced
December 01, 2009, 08:59:08 am
Unless you're outlandishly wealthy, you can't really run a major football club as a stand-alone concern these days. It has to be a piece of some larger conglomeration that benefits from the great marketing and customer relations ops a large sports franchise offers. Pretty much every big U.S. sports franchise passed from private hands into more corporate ownership in the 1970s when big money came into the game and player salries and other costs skyrocketed.

You might be able to pull it off if you were very clever and proactive and deft at handling political relationships. Bill Kenwright is none of those things, and he's not outrageously wealthy either.

 
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The Everton Forum / £78 million set a side for Kirkby.
November 30, 2009, 08:53:36 am
Good thing we have it. I hear the water voles will be suing us for big money for fucking up their lives.
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Quote from: read-all-about-it!thought id gve everyone the opportunity to revive some periodic rumours  ;)

Great. Now take this opportunity to go fuck yourself on a lamp post.
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The Everton Forum / The Ground share
November 29, 2009, 06:11:47 am
Not a terrible idea, but it won't happen. The spoils would be halved and the pillagers doubled.  
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Quote from: FluskyThe one thing that sticks in my mind when I defend Bill Kenwright is the semi-final against Man U last year. The man stood there after the game crying and singing. Would a man who just wants his own little footballing empire show that much emotion towards the success of his team? I doubt it.

I doubt many of the BK haters even know why they hate him. It's a pretty loud bandwagon.

So are the other 20,000 Blues that cried after the semi final worthy of running the club as well?

No but I bet they were all putting on a show to disguise their alterior motives. Thats the only explanation.

So being a blue on it's own isn't enough to qualify you to run Everton Football Club?

What other qualifications does Bill have to justify his position as Chairman of Everton Football Club?

A rather pointless question in my opinion. I challenge you to find me a list of successful Chairmen who are deemed "qualified" to run their clubs.

Any investors who would replace BK would be just as unqualified. It's only once in a lifetime you get a guy like Glazer who actually knows his stuff.

Is Abramovic qualified? Is Mansour? Don't claim you want a Chairman who knows how to run a football club when it's clear all you and most other Evertonians want is a big blank chequebook.


Very good call...
Step aside Mr Kenwright.... what happens then?? Do we choose from that long list that are wanting to take over?


Hmmm, so by that thinking, the only people qualified to own a football club would be those who've spent their careers running one or another large sports club? That's a cute trick (in a desperate sort of way) to limit the potential candidates and justify Bill Kenrwright continuing to hold onto (and hold back) Everton. But it's quite ridiculous.

Plenty of people who run large, successful sports clubs don't measure up to your qualifications. But they do share one thing in common: sufficient financial resources.

Abramovich and the others have the first and most important qualification for running an EPL club: the money to bankroll it. Bill does not. There's not much you can do if you don't have the money. Bill lies, borrows, re-mortgages Goodison and sells players from his already thin squad to cover his debt service and the occasional transfer (brought in on the last day of the window, usually, so Bill won't have to cover his wages for a few extra weeks). But that shell game is no substitute for real resources. And it can't last.

BK has only League 1-level financial resources. Moyes has covered up BK's deficiencies for years.  Bill should have the decency to sell the club, if he truly cares about it. He does not meet the most basic qualification of a Prem club owner.

P.S. And BK is the one looking 24/7 for someone with a "big blank chequebook" -- and an IQ low enough to give Bill free run of it for nothing in return. He's the one seeking out the non-existent. Evertonians just want an owner who's not a complete shithead and who wants to own a Prem club and can afford to. There's a long list of people who fit those qualifications, and Bill could find one of them to sell to if he was actually looking.
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Quote from: FluskyThe one thing that sticks in my mind when I defend Bill Kenwright is the semi-final against Man U last year. The man stood there after the game crying and singing. Would a man who just wants his own little footballing empire show that much emotion towards the success of his team? I doubt it.

I doubt many of the BK haters even know why they hate him. It's a pretty loud bandwagon.

So are the other 20,000 Blues that cried after the semi final worthy of running the club as well?

No but I bet they were all putting on a show to disguise their alterior motives. Thats the only explanation.

How does Milky keep making it back onto the forum?
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The Everton Forum / In work today...
November 28, 2009, 05:56:49 am
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Quote from: montanatoffeefanJust another pathetic Kopite mouthing off. If we beat them on Sunday, they'll be without a manager on Monday morning. COYB!

They can't afford to sack him so the are stuck with him. Just say he did go though! they would also be saying goodbye to Torres and Reina.

My great fear is that they'll sack Rafa and bring in Mourinho, who's publicaly signalling he's ready to take another job in England. I would weep if he went to the Shite.
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I think BK loves being chairman of Everton a lot more than he loves Everton, if he in fact loves Everton at all. Would he have scuttled King's Dock and pushed Kirkby and continued holding the club back by holding onto it if he truly loved Everton? I think his "needle in the arm" love bit is just another part of his routine.

Time to pull the needle out, Bill.
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The Everton Forum / In work today...
November 28, 2009, 12:11:02 am
Just another pathetic Kopite mouthing off. If we beat them on Sunday, they'll be without a manager on Monday morning. COYB!
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Quote from: mo200375....No one will wanna buy us with the debt we are in with the prospect of rennovating an old stadium that we cant fill anyway... so your points are useless there!!!

The best thing we could hope 4 is administration to clear our debt or get relegated so that the FA contribute half towards our new stadium!!!

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I don't buy the BK line that no one would want to buy us. It's just more BK bollocks to back up his other bolocks that the club is actually for sale--and that's he's looking for a buyer 24/7. Or an investor gullible enough to give him millions for nothing in return but the chance to meet Lewis Bradley.

Now, if Flusky were a billionaire, that BK pitch might work....
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Quote from: GrantyBoy78You can only sell if someone's buying.

This. As much as we all love Everton, only the really blind would believe that a billionaire wants to buy a club who desperately need a new stadium. Stadium first, then the buyer will come.


Not being tied into a third-rate stadium with limited new revenue opportunities and a nightmare of a transportation grid should actually make us a more attractive buy. The 'Everton needs a new stadium before anyone will buy them' argument was a load of bollocks from BK designed to make gullible Evertonians think he was actually doing Kirkby for the good of the club, not to line his pockets.

Thanks for calling me gullible. I base this opinion on common sense, not anything BK has said. All the clubs who's new owners promised them a new stadium (Liverpool, Pompey) have been shat all over. I don't want that to happen to us.

If you buy the line that all new owners are bad, then you are even more gullible than I thought. ManU and Chelsea have done alright under new ownership, have they not? Citeh, too. Depends on the owner. Bill Kenwright is a League 1-level owner trying to play with the big boys. We need to do better, and people crying out about how bad new owners are just helps the skint old twat hang on longer -- and hold back our club.

The Glazers didn't build Old Trafford.
Abramovic didn't build Stamford Bridge.
Abu Dhabi didn't build Eastlands.

Are you noticing a pattern here??

Yes, they all stayed in their existing stadiums and thrived. Instead of pursuing some preposterous new stadium plan, claiming it would help their clubs--like Bill did with DK because he's so desperate to pad his bank account (unlike those you mentioned).

Notice a pattern there?


Last post on this I have more important things to do.

If you think Goodison Park in its current state is even remotely suitable for us then you either:

a) Have never been there
b) Are a complete mentalist


Beating a hasty retreat after having all your lame efforts brushed aside. But not hasty enough. For you've revealed that your gullibility let BK bollocks you into one last bit of foolishness: that we have to leave Goodison right away.

Truth is, GP will do for a few years while Everton find a suitable location and design a new stadium that will actually help the club move forward--unlike Kirkby, which would have doomed our chances to move forward for decades.

King's Dock would have done the trick a few years back. But BK scuttled that one for whatever reason he belched out at the time. You probably remember it, and still believe it, too.

Which likely means that a suitable new stadium will never happen under current ownership. All the more reason not to hate on the possibility of new owners.
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Quote from: GrantyBoy78You can only sell if someone's buying.

This. As much as we all love Everton, only the really blind would believe that a billionaire wants to buy a club who desperately need a new stadium. Stadium first, then the buyer will come.


Not being tied into a third-rate stadium with limited new revenue opportunities and a nightmare of a transportation grid should actually make us a more attractive buy. The 'Everton needs a new stadium before anyone will buy them' argument was a load of bollocks from BK designed to make gullible Evertonians think he was actually doing Kirkby for the good of the club, not to line his pockets.

Thanks for calling me gullible. I base this opinion on common sense, not anything BK has said. All the clubs who's new owners promised them a new stadium (Liverpool, Pompey) have been shat all over. I don't want that to happen to us.

If you buy the line that all new owners are bad, then you are even more gullible than I thought. ManU and Chelsea have done alright under new ownership, have they not? Citeh, too. Depends on the owner. Bill Kenwright is a League 1-level owner trying to play with the big boys. We need to do better, and people crying out about how bad new owners are just helps the skint old twat hang on longer -- and hold back our club.

The Glazers didn't build Old Trafford.
Abramovic didn't build Stamford Bridge.
Abu Dhabi didn't build Eastlands.

Are you noticing a pattern here??

LOL. In your effort to slander new owners as bad for clubs, you've just cited new owners who've managed to capture the last five Prem titles. A pattern indeed.

They all stayed in their existing stadiums and thrived. Instead of pursuing some preposterous new stadium plan, claiming it would help their clubs--like Bill did with DK because he's so desperate to pad his bank account (unlike those you mentioned).

Notice another pattern there?
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Quote from: GrantyBoy78You can only sell if someone's buying.

This. As much as we all love Everton, only the really blind would believe that a billionaire wants to buy a club who desperately need a new stadium. Stadium first, then the buyer will come.


Not being tied into a third-rate stadium with limited new revenue opportunities and a nightmare of a transportation grid should actually make us a more attractive buy. The 'Everton needs a new stadium before anyone will buy them' argument was a load of bollocks from BK designed to make gullible Evertonians think he was actually doing Kirkby for the good of the club, not to line his pockets.

Thanks for calling me gullible. I base this opinion on common sense, not anything BK has said. All the clubs who's new owners promised them a new stadium (Liverpool, Pompey) have been shat all over. I don't want that to happen to us.

If you buy the line that all new owners are bad, then you are even more gullible than I thought. ManU and Chelsea have done alright under new ownership, have they not? Citeh, too. Depends on the owner. Bill Kenwright is a League 1-level owner trying to play with the big boys. We need to do better, and people crying out about how bad new owners are just helps the skint old twat hang on longer -- and hold back our club.
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Quote from: jessieInvestors are needed but i hope bill stays
p.s How much have keioc cost our club over the past couple of years

Imagine the tens of millions they may have saved us by helping derail a move to a crap stadium with a hopelessly overloaded transportation grid that would keep fans from attending games and with revenue ops so limited the club would have no hope of moving into the Prem's top tier, and be in greater danger of getting relegated.
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Quote from: GrantyBoy78You can only sell if someone's buying.

This. As much as we all love Everton, only the really blind would believe that a billionaire wants to buy a club who desperately need a new stadium. Stadium first, then the buyer will come.

Not being tied into a third-rate stadium with limited new revenue opportunities and a nightmare of a transportation grid should actually make us a more attractive buy. The 'Everton needs a new stadium before anyone will buy them' argument was a load of bollocks from BK designed to make gullible Evertonians think he was actually doing Kirkby for the good of the club, not to line his pockets.