Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:17 am
Always respectfully, but I couldn't disagree more with either of you (brap and Ram), tbh.
Of course we know that Moshiri, Uzmanov and their enablers (Kenwright, DBB etc) are to blame for ruining the club, and the position we find ourselves. We've all spent years slaughtering them, agonising over the decline of the club and so many people have suffered and protested over varieties of issues, while at the same time finding the strength to support a laughably bad team to drag it's way to safety on multiple occasions. We all have maximum anger for those people, but repeating it over and over again isn't going to change it, and hasn't changed it. It's not a democracy where we choose our owners, it's a dictatorship.
Carragher is saying something we've all known for years and years, that the club has been one of the worst run clubs in the world. We've all said it on here, countless times.
When people say ''we should accept our part in it'', what is our part in it? Our club was skint for decades, we looked for investment, we were informed by people who said they had the wellbeing of the club in mind that we had new ownership taking us in a bright new direction. People raised questions but we can't do anything about any of that. We don't get to choose who buys the club. Did many of us rejoice in spending money and buying players? Yes, absolutely. And what is wrong with that? We're not investigative journalists. We don't get to stop new owner coming into the team. We don't get a say in which players we buy. We haven't made any of the decisions that have led the club to ruin. We are passengers, beholden to the whims and mistakes of very rich, very questionable people.
Could people have stopped supporting the club and stopped going to the game? In theory yes, but in reality that's never going to happen is it? It's a social institution that is almost 150 years old and a massive part of the community, and the lives of many, many people. So we're just along for the ride, and we have to suffer the consequences of all their decisions and ineptitude.
For me, that is all a given, and that is a separate issue from the clear corruption and entrenched inequality of the Premier League. I don't think for one second that people calling out that massive unfairness and possible corrupt handling of our situation (also acknowledged by many independent people - politicians, journos) means that our fanbase comes across as braindead or delusional. Again, the fans have to suffer the consequences of that behaviour from the Premier League, just as they have to suffer the consequences of the owners and the board. We have been treated abominably by the Prem, for highly questionable reasons (being charitable), and that is still the case whether we had dodgy owners or not, and people are entirely justified in being angry about it.
If this was a larger, more well represented club this was happening to, people would be writing endless articles about the poor Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U fans and how they are the ones being punished for something they had no say in or control over, just as people defended the Big 6 fans, when their owners threatened to break away.
So for me, rolling over as a fanbase and saying ''yeah, you're right it's our fault Gov, sorry we won't do what every other fanbase in world football has done and been completely powerless in the running of their club and then have to suffer the consequences'' is utterly misguided and self-defeating, and almost self-loathing.
And don't let social media impact your feelings on...well anything. People are cranks. All fanbases are full of cranks. People are venting and some of them get carried away because something they love very dearly may be dying, and in reality it's absolutely nothing to do with them and not their fault in the slightest. That's my view anyway, respectfully.
