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[777Kidnappings]

No we didn't, but also buying 2 full backs and no wingers, striker or attacking midfielders would have also seen us struggling to score. We didn't have the money to address all issues so it will take multiple windows.

We've done this to death but are you suggesting we couldn't have done without a left back whos worthy of zero minutes or a winger whos behind mcneil or a sub attacking midfielder? Or a striker whos as poor as the poor striker we already had.

The last window was an absolute shit show. We couldn't afford a right back because we wasted most of our money

[The Doc]

Aznou must be miles off it to not get a sniff.

[AjaxAndy]

We've done this to death but are you suggesting we couldn't have done without a left back whos worthy of zero minutes or a winger whos behind mcneil or a sub attacking midfielder? Or a striker whos as poor as the poor striker we already had.

The last window was an absolute shit show. We couldn't afford a right back because we wasted most of our money

Meh, you have such a short term view on things, I can't be arsed to live and die by 6 months of a rebuild, I'd rather see where we are 24-36 months in to it before saying we should or shouldn't have bought X or y. Especially when we're 11th and about 9-10 points better of than at this stage in any of the last 3 seasons.

[777Kidnappings]

Meh, you have such a short term view on things, I can't be arsed to live and die by 6 months of a rebuild, I'd rather see where we are 24-36 months in to it before saying we should or shouldn't have bought X or y. Especially when we're 11th and about 9-10 points better of than at this stage in any of the last 3 seasons.

Its not a short term view. I think we've bought duds not elite prospects who just arent ready yet.

Again this we are 10 points better than we were last season. The reality is that this team after a transfer window is going at the same rate as moyes team before the window. The window hasn't improved us at all.

[AjaxAndy]

Its not a short term view. I think we've bought duds not elite prospects who just arent ready yet.

Again this we are 10 points better than we were last season. The reality is that this team after a transfer window is going at the same rate as moyes team before the window. The window hasn't improved us at all.

You think therefore you don't know... So you are welcome to think something shortly after it's happened but it doesn't mean you will actually be right in another 18 months.

Just need to have a bit more patience given we're exactly where we expected to be which is mid table so nothing catastrophic is happening and we can afford to be patient.

[777Kidnappings]

You think therefore you don't know... So you are welcome to think something shortly after it's happened but it doesn't mean you will actually be right in another 18 months.

Just need to have a bit more patience given we're exactly where we expected to be which is mid table so nothing catastrophic is happening and we can afford to be patient.

None of us know. Maybe beto will get 40 goals this season. Maybe im our new right back. My opinion is that barry is shit dibbling while better is absolutely what we didn't need because of his and our chronic lack of pace. Im not saying im definitely right but my opinions are my opinions. We can argue you dont know about everything because we dont. It's not short termism though thinking these players weren't good signings.

Nothing catastrophic is happening despite our signings not because of them. Both can be true that we've had an okay season and blown the majority of our money

[AjaxAndy]

None of us know. Maybe beto will get 40 goals this season. Maybe im our new right back. My opinion is that barry is shit dibbling while better is absolutely what we didn't need because of his and our chronic lack of pace. Im not saying im definitely right but my opinions are my opinions. We can argue you dont know about everything because we dont. It's not short termism though thinking these players weren't good signings.

Nothing catastrophic is happening despite our signings not because of them. Both can be true that we've had an okay season and blown the majority of our money

But we don't know if we've blown our money because it's only been a few months and we bought largely a bunch of young players, the logic to judge them now as busts doesn't add up.

Judging youngsters after a few months is the definition of short termism, but whatever dude, doesn't really matter.

[777Kidnappings]

But we don't know if we've blown our money because it's only been a few months and we bought largely a bunch of young players, the logic to judge them now as busts doesn't add up.

Judging youngsters after a few months is the definition of short termism, but whatever dude, doesn't really matter.

But we dont know anything not with certainty. Its all just opinions. If course I dont actually know but on that basis none of us have anything to say on here

Of course you can judge potential within months. The transfer committee judged their potential before they even arrived. I might be wrong. You might be wrong. Everton might have been wrong. Theres no forum though if we need 3 years before we have an opinion

[AjaxAndy]

But we dont know anything not with certainty. Its all just opinions. If course I dont actually know but on that basis none of us have anything to say on here

Of course you can judge potential within months. The transfer committee judged their potential before they even arrived. I might be wrong. You might be wrong. Everton might have been wrong. Theres no forum though if we need 3 years before we have an opinion

My point purely is it's too early too judge, yet you make very sweeping statements... I'm just saying have a bit of patience. We all wanted to buy younger players with potential, but the fact is you have to sacrifice something in the short term by going down that route.

Anyway like I said, doesn't really matter, let's not bore everyone with this being another one to go round in circles.

[777Kidnappings]

My point purely is it's too early too judge, yet you make very sweeping statements... I'm just saying have a bit of patience. We all wanted to buy younger players with potential, but the fact is you have to sacrifice something in the short term by going down that route.

Anyway like I said, doesn't really matter, let's not bore everyone with this being another one to go round in circles.

I dont think my statements are that sweeping. I dont think barry is good enough. My issue with dibbling is really his lack of pace. Hes just not what this team needed even if he does work out

Can we at least agree that we all expected a lot more from our signings so far. They've definitely been a short term disappointment

Ultimately it has to be wait and see but I don't think the evidence is particularly good on any of them

[AjaxAndy]

I dont think my statements are that sweeping. I dont think barry is good enough. My issue with dibbling is really his lack of pace. Hes just not what this team needed even if he does work out

Can we at least agree that we all expected a lot more from our signings so far. They've definitely been a short term disappointment

Ultimately it has to be wait and see but I don't think the evidence is particularly good on any of them

I would have liked to have seen more of Dibling but I also remember Moyes' use of Baines very well, and that turned out brilliantly. So for me I'd much rather see Dibling be given the right foundations to achieve his potential, understand that work rate and training hard are fundamental to being a long term success.

He's only 19, so if we end up with a genuinely world class player in a few years time as a result of bedding him in slowly, as we did with Baines them I'm more than happy for a bit of short term pain.

He doesn't have the pace we need, but we had bids accepted for 5 speed merchants and they all rejected us, so I don't begrudge the recruitment team buying potential long term top level talent rather than some raw fast kid who might not have much of a high ceiling.

As for Barry, he's one I would have wanted to see more from, but also I think Beto's freak run of form fooled the recruitment team in to thinking we'd be able to bed him in slowly, when in fact the opposite has happened... That's not really Barry's fault and I do think he's shown enough to suggest there's a player in there. In all honesty we'd have been better off keeping DCL, but that's not going to move us forward long term, so again I'll take the short term pain for long term potential gain, especially when we're mid table and looking like we'll sustain that over the full season.

Give those 2 a season to develop, add in some real quality in the summer and for me that gives us a sustainable platform to build from. That's all I want right now, slow progress that doesn't peak and nose dive, and a sustainable financial footing where we can develop players and flip for profit or retain as they've developed in to regular first team players but aren't quite good enough to be pinched by the very top clubs.

We've been living on a knife edge for years, how we've survived is beyond me, so I'm willing to give a project plenty of time providing we are comfortably away from any relegation worries while we do it.

Not all will work out, we will have some misses, but I'd much rather see players like Barry and Dibling progressing on the pitch and developing than some average premier league 28+ year old with no progression route and high wages restricting our potential ceiling for a couple of extra places in the league.

[TheRam]

There’s not a chance he signs a new contact and becomes a back up left back imo

[Cozzie]

Just can't see that big a turn over to effectively bin him off, leaving us with just Aznou who is nowhere near ready, needing us to effectively sign 2 left backs.

[AjaxAndy]

Just can't see that big a turn over to effectively bin him off, leaving us with just Aznou who is nowhere near ready, needing us to effectively sign 2 left backs.

That's exactly it imo, we aren't buying 2 new left backs instead of spending all that on an actual good one.

[Cods]

I dont think my statements are that sweeping. I dont think barry is good enough. My issue with dibbling is really his lack of pace. Hes just not what this team needed even if he does work out

Can we at least agree that we all expected a lot more from our signings so far. They've definitely been a short term disappointment

Ultimately it has to be wait and see but I don't think the evidence is particularly good on any of them

We've spent 40% less (£110m) than the average league spend (£155m) in the last window, and we had to deal with potentially a dozen first team players departing (far more than any other team) as out of contract, and we're currently 2 places better off in the league than we finished last season.

This after the biggest 5 year fire sale of players in all of England and most of Europe.

Even in simple terms we've improved in the short term. Context matters.

Roma wasn't built in a day.