Everton v Man United

[Cods]

The absolute bottom line was the recruitment was a shocking failure. We cant keep getting it wrong

It hasn't been that bad recently. Strikers are hit and miss under €100m.

Man United have spent €0.7bn in three seasons and despite doing OK recently have still gone backwards, via 15th place!

Forest have spent over €3/4 of a billion since coming up and look odds on for the drop. West Ham have spent even more than that over the same period and that's who Forest are competing with for survival.

We've spent well less than half of any of those, started with a threadbare squad, and still made €300m, as much or more than any of them, one generational-talent-Declan-Rice sale aside.

A bit of perspective needed here.

[Bluebridge]

That loss was on Moyes imo.. we were slow, no movement off the ball and we needed pace. Playing a midfielder on the wing when you have wingers is the same as CB's at RB and is baffling. Brings George on and we played faster and more direct. Neither striker can play up top alone. Play two then... oh no. Not Moyes the stubborn cunt

If we play two up top it can’t be B&B, Ndaiye maybe, think he needs to be closer to goal, I think he misses the Grealish KDH combo, arriving at the back post.
Garner is definitely our best right back, if we’re not going to let Patto play, could be good for Dibling having Garner behind him.
Looking back it wasn’t too bad a performance, just another annoying result.

[Free Agent]

Yeah, the football wasn’t great but the performance was better than most expected before kick off. Just we never did anything with the ball when we had it.

[Paddockoldie]

If we play two up top it can’t be B&B, Ndaiye maybe, think he needs to be closer to goal, I think he misses the Grealish KDH combo, arriving at the back post.
Garner is definitely our best right back, if we’re not going to let Patto play, could be good for Dibling having Garner behind him.
Looking back it wasn’t too bad a performance, just another annoying result.

Ideally not them, but that's who we have. Watching long and high balls, because they're not passes really, just hit and hope is soul destroying for them and me. I was raging by the end. 49, 000 could see we needed pace, but one eyed Moyes couldn't. I'm a big fan of his, but unless he gets money to address the pace/striker issues, he might have gone as far as he can for us. The one difference lost us that game...pace

[Toddacelli]

Didn’t turn a single turnover into a shot…gulp

This was a big thing.

They Everton’ed us. Second half they said ‘Ok let them have the ball and see if they can play with it.’

We couldn’t.

[Pedrotheblue]

If we're going to rely on set pieces for goals, we really need to improve our delivery. 10 corners and not a single one of them looked remotely like troubling their keeper, it was predictable and painful to watch. Give the big lads something to attack ffs, the melees around their keeper were fucking embarrassing and clearing ineffective.

[AjaxAndy]

Yeah I mean, okay we’re set up for this weird rugby style cb at full back kick to touch win a corner stuff - we’re not going down, let’s start looking towards next year please.

Armstrong on the middle, Tim in the middle, Branthwaite and Jake at CB, Dibling, George…let’s see a football team doing football stuff, not rotate it back to Pickford, hoof, hope we win a free kick or corner, go back to Pickford, repeat.

I understand the players are all shite and there isn’t enough of them in the requisite positions but build for the future or he’s risk signing his own resignation I think.

I'd love to see us actually utilise the youngsters more, and in their right positions.

However I still think most are raw and prone to mistakes which is why he doesn't trust playing many together.

I'm frustrated but I still look at the squad and have some sympathy for Moyes. Dibling has been atrocious, George is raw and an unknown... Would I play Armstrong instead? God no, but also I'm not convinced the alternatives are trustworthy.

Give Moyes and the transfer committee the summer to properly address the balance issues and if he's still doing the same shit after I'll be asking for his head, but I can't fully tell at the moment if this is fully a Moyes problem or a squad one.

Like he'd play Grealish if he was available so it's not like he refuses to play players who are actually good enough.

We are losing games though with his setups so hopefully the penny drops and he at least plays some of the younger players more regularly. At least then if we lose it reduces the frustration levels a bit.

[Toddacelli]

I'd love to see us actually utilise the youngsters more, and in their right positions.

However I still think most are raw and prone to mistakes which is why he doesn't trust playing many together.

I'm frustrated but I still look at the squad and have some sympathy for Moyes. Dibling has been atrocious, George is raw and an unknown... Would I play Armstrong instead? God no, but also I'm not convinced the alternatives are trustworthy.

Give Moyes and the transfer committee the summer to properly address the balance issues and if he's still doing the same shit after I'll be asking for his head, but I can't fully tell at the moment if this is fully a Moyes problem or a squad one.

Like he'd play Grealish if he was available so it's not like he refuses to play players who are actually good enough.

We are losing games though with his setups so hopefully the penny drops and he at least plays some of the younger players more regularly. At least then if we lose it reduces the frustration levels a bit.

And it creates much needed development for next season so we don’t have to keep watching more of this embarrassing shite.

[AjaxAndy]

And it creates much needed development for next season so we don’t have to keep watching more of this embarrassing shite.

Yeah the best part about having young players is watching them develop, so I'd rather watch Rohl, Tim.or Armstrong centrally over Gana. Harsh on the latter as he's been a brilliant servant but we've got central players now waiting to take over who need the minutes.

George isn't our player, but based on his cameos I think he'd be one I'd look to keep, so again game time is required, especially when we can all see you could move Armstrong centrally for Gana to accommodate him.

[Toddacelli]

And I’d seriously consider doing it arse-about-face and starting the youngsters while they are full of energy and bringing on the old heads with tired legs if I need to.

[NickNack]

We're not going down and we’re definitely not getting anywhere near Europe with our home form or playing like we did last night so I really don’t see what we’ve got to lose playing the younger players / signings. At least they’ll be more ready for next season or are we going to see the same kind of line-ups as last night then as well.

Really difficult to understand Moyes’ thought process here because if he thinks last night was acceptable I don’t know what to say

[StirlingBlue]

I keep seeing people saying that we're not getting europe so might as well play the kids, but there's absolutely no way Moyes and a team of competitive professional athletes are giving up on european qualification when we're 3 points off 7th with 11 games to play.

Now, personally I think playing Patterson over O'Brien, Iroegbunam over Garner and one of George/Dibling out wide would give us more chance of getting the points to get to europe but that's a different debate and Moyes has earned the leeway with the transformation he's overseen in the last year.

I find watching us frustrating, but when he joined 13 months ago we were sat one point above the relegation zone after 3 years of relegation battles.

[UnsyisaRhino]

I didn't like Moyes' plan but outside of that one counter, it almost worked. It's dire to watch, we seemed to lack any sort of plan when we get the ball, we made terrible choices in the final third and and the quality of that final pass was often terrible, but we limited them and still created a few chances that we really should have done better with.

I wish he could trust any of our fullback options, I think Patterson is crap but he did enough during that short stint of games to show we're better having him there than Jake. I wish he'd drop Gueye who hasn't had a good game since he came back into the team. If he's desperate to include
Armstrong (as he has to justify keeping him here by the looks of things) then, put him in the middle with garner and put an actual winger out wide.

[Juanito]

if we are not going down and Europe looks unlikely, then we should be playing Rohl, Patterson, O'Brien at centre back etc. He won't because he is playing for the here and now and knows he might not get the time next season but time is exactly what these players on the bench need right now. I just want him gone. The football is abject to say the least and now is a great chance to let Branthwaite and O'Brien gel together before next season. But no.

[Cods]

Not sure that he, approaching 75% of the season gone and Europe still a mathematical possibility will just write off what has been a much better season and just go "nah, we're close but we'll try again next year."

There's no guarantees everything will work as well (relatively speaking) as it has.

I wouldn't be as driven, but I'm not 62 nor am I a Premier League manager.