Tell you what I’d like to improve, our chance creation and home form.
David Moyes
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sam of the south
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Bob Sacamano
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Re: David Moyes
Just next season for me. I fear we’d appoint a flash in the pan manager a become really unstable really quickly. Would give us a little more time to continue to get our shit together.
Re: David Moyes
We'd probably replace with Glasner because his football style and philosophy won't transfer to a top club.
We'd still see very direct football, maybe less square pegs on round holes, but be just as annoyed at the style of play we were watching every week
We'd still see very direct football, maybe less square pegs on round holes, but be just as annoyed at the style of play we were watching every week
Re: David Moyes
I’ll start by saying I never wanted Moyes to return, and I honestly can’t wait until he’s gone. That said, I do appreciate the job he’s done in stabilising us and getting the club into a more comfortable position. It’s a relief not to live with the constant fear of relegation — even if that security has come at the cost of watching some of the worst football imaginable.
Personally, I’d look to part ways with Moyes as soon as possible. Allowing him to fully embed his methods will only set us back in the long run. Wherever he’s managed, it’s been his way or no way. He has a history of resisting collaboration with a Director of Football and prefers total control. That approach just isn’t sustainable in modern football. The longer we continue down that path, the harder it will be to unwind everything and put a more modern, durable structure in place.
If you look at the clubs Moyes has left, the results often decline significantly afterwards. I think that’s partly due to the way he operates. When he first left Everton, there was a narrative that he left the club in a great position — and on paper, the squad was strong. But there was more to it than that. The reality was that the club’s entire structure revolved around him. He made the key decisions on everything. There was no overarching strategy or framework beyond Moyes himself — a clear single point of failure. The only way that model could have progressed smoothly was if Moyes had been the one replacing himself.
What followed was undoubtedly a series of mistakes under Moshiri, but part of the chaos stemmed from the lack of structure and the need to dismantle and rebuild what Moyes had created. You can see similarities at West Ham: he had near-total control, achieved relative success, and now they’re having to undergo a fundamental reset. I could be doing the TFG a disservice and maybe that have a more thorough plan and structure that they are looking to implement than Moshiri did - it wouldn't be hard, but I don't think its a coincidence when you look at the results of clubs after Moyes departures. I think you've seen comparable outcomes at other clubs where there is a totalitarian approach from managers, namely United, which is probably why SAF picked Moyes to replace him as he could see the similarities in approach, but even with those similarities its still almost impossible to replicate what came before
It feels like we’re at a crossroads. We either go all-in on Moyes and hand him a new long-term contract — which I sincerely hope we don’t — or we take the opportunity to start fresh and build something with real longevity. That might involve some short-term uncertainty, but it would at least give us a foundation that’s sustainable for the future.
Personally, I’d look to part ways with Moyes as soon as possible. Allowing him to fully embed his methods will only set us back in the long run. Wherever he’s managed, it’s been his way or no way. He has a history of resisting collaboration with a Director of Football and prefers total control. That approach just isn’t sustainable in modern football. The longer we continue down that path, the harder it will be to unwind everything and put a more modern, durable structure in place.
If you look at the clubs Moyes has left, the results often decline significantly afterwards. I think that’s partly due to the way he operates. When he first left Everton, there was a narrative that he left the club in a great position — and on paper, the squad was strong. But there was more to it than that. The reality was that the club’s entire structure revolved around him. He made the key decisions on everything. There was no overarching strategy or framework beyond Moyes himself — a clear single point of failure. The only way that model could have progressed smoothly was if Moyes had been the one replacing himself.
What followed was undoubtedly a series of mistakes under Moshiri, but part of the chaos stemmed from the lack of structure and the need to dismantle and rebuild what Moyes had created. You can see similarities at West Ham: he had near-total control, achieved relative success, and now they’re having to undergo a fundamental reset. I could be doing the TFG a disservice and maybe that have a more thorough plan and structure that they are looking to implement than Moshiri did - it wouldn't be hard, but I don't think its a coincidence when you look at the results of clubs after Moyes departures. I think you've seen comparable outcomes at other clubs where there is a totalitarian approach from managers, namely United, which is probably why SAF picked Moyes to replace him as he could see the similarities in approach, but even with those similarities its still almost impossible to replicate what came before
It feels like we’re at a crossroads. We either go all-in on Moyes and hand him a new long-term contract — which I sincerely hope we don’t — or we take the opportunity to start fresh and build something with real longevity. That might involve some short-term uncertainty, but it would at least give us a foundation that’s sustainable for the future.
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777Kidnappings
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I think hes oddly hard to love. The results as a whole are decent but its the blandness of some of his selections. Its the appeared disconnect between him and the transfer committee.
Surely something has to give if the vision of club in terms of signings doesn't align with what moyes wants
Surely something has to give if the vision of club in terms of signings doesn't align with what moyes wants
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The reason id get shut in the summer is his recruitment. He agreed the signings 2 wingers who can't get in ahead of a 19 year old centre mid and failed the get a right back.
Sick of his pl proven nonsense aswell.
Sick of his pl proven nonsense aswell.
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Bit of a pointless discussion. There is absolutely zero chance he'll be going in the summer and nor would I want him to
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Rohl is the odd one to me. Was superb in that away win to Villa and hasn't been seen since. Bizarre.
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Think Moyes has looked inept since he’s lost Grealish. Ran out ideas since then and has resorted to rugby