The fall of Spurs

[Cozzie]

They'll stay up now because this thread has been made, haha.

But in fairness it's already been stated, their players have basically phoned it in.

Being in the CL meant they could attract a certain level of player but they came for the CL, not to be part of a relegation dog fight.

Still think they will just about do it, the odd win here and there might just be enough, no gauruntee but of course there is a big chance they will drop.

Would be seismic if they did.

[AjaxAndy]

Can't help but feel Dyche would be at least trying as a last roll of the dice.

One thing he does is get teams organised and working hard, so even if the footy would be a hard watch it might at least make them hard to play against.

Also might force a few that have downed tools to pick them up again.

Probably too late for any manager to come in though and implement any methods. Tudor though is taking them down 100% so unless they try something they are effectively just giving up and accepting their fate.

[4evablu]

YOU KNOW...I'D LOVE IT...LOVE IT... IF THEY WENT DOWN...

[Shogun]

Can't help but feel Dyche would be at least trying as a last roll of the dice.

One thing he does is get teams organised and working hard, so even if the footy would be a hard watch it might at least make them hard to play against.

Also might force a few that have downed tools to pick them up again.

Probably too late for any manager to come in though and implement any methods. Tudor though is taking them down 100% so unless they try something they are effectively just giving up and accepting their fate.

Maybe, although you kind of wonder what Dyche can offer that Frank wasn't already doing and failing to get a tune out of them? To the extent they may as well bring Frank back!

I'll be surprised if they sacked Tudor at this point anyway. It seemed a weird appointment at the time and it's not been a great start. No connection to the club, no experience in the Premier League, doesn't seem to be bringing the positive vibes, confusing tactics... As stupid as it sounds, Redknapp coming back for 10 games probably would have been a better decision to lift morale.

[kramer]

Can't help but feel Dyche would be at least trying as a last roll of the dice.

One thing he does is get teams organised and working hard, so even if the footy would be a hard watch it might at least make them hard to play against.

Also might force a few that have downed tools to pick them up again.

Probably too late for any manager to come in though and implement any methods. Tudor though is taking them down 100% so unless they try something they are effectively just giving up and accepting their fate.

The fact that it didn’t work at all with Frank is the biggest red flag here.

It’s a bit too late in the season for the team to pivot to a more possession-based style (which they were already quite weak with in the league last season).

These players aren’t responding to a disciplinarian, don’t think it matters if it’s Dyche or Tudor.

Frank is the kind of manager you’d want caught between those extremes. And they had already downed tools for him.

The types of people you bring in really matter. Lots of talent in the squad but it doesn’t matter much if everyone starts thinking about their next move or remains content to keep picking up a paycheck the second the task becomes remotely challenging.

We’ve had plenty of these overpaid, low motivation types under Moshiri but never let the balance stray too far. That is, we always retained a subgroup of grafters who fight for everything and it helped save us.

Really grateful for the culture that’s been restored at Everton. Even just seeing Grealish posting about results while he’s out even though he’s made a stupid amount of money and needs nothing else from football says it all. We’ve got a squad that is bought in and management (both Moyes and above) that cares about fostering that buy-in. Marry that with additional quality and we can really go places.

[kramer]

Maybe, although you kind of wonder what Dyche can offer that Frank wasn't already doing and failing to get a tune out of them? To the extent they may as well bring Frank back!

I'll be surprised if they sacked Tudor at this point anyway. It seemed a weird appointment at the time and it's not been a great start. No connection to the club, no experience in the Premier League, doesn't seem to be bringing the positive vibes, confusing tactics... As stupid as it sounds, Redknapp coming back for 10 games probably would have been a better decision to lift morale.

I think Redknapp would get his pants pulled down repeatedly in the modern PL. Always did a good job buying quality but tactically, he wasn’t up to much.

I’m not sure they had a single good option for replacing Frank. Might as well have stuck it out with him, prayed for the best, and tried to turn over a whole bunch of dickheads in the summer.

[Big Nevs Vaz]

A couple of bad eggs can bring down the whole team. They have points on their side and it's basically 1 team from 4 to go down as Burnley are cooked and Wolves have left themselves way too much to do......Saying all that Spurs have made a mad managerial appointment and they don't appear to have the stomach for a fight or a fanbase to heave them over the line. All bets are off at this point.
It does highlight what we had on our side during those dark seasons. An amazing fan base and players, albeit with limited ability but prepared to fight.

[Gash]

Said on the BBC only Richarlison and two or three others stayed on the pitch at the end to applaud the fans, the rest did a Linford down the tunnel. Says it all about how the players feel towards the fans.

[AjaxAndy]

The fact that it didn’t work at all with Frank is the biggest red flag here.

It’s a bit too late in the season for the team to pivot to a more possession-based style (which they were already quite weak with in the league last season).

These players aren’t responding to a disciplinarian, don’t think it matters if it’s Dyche or Tudor.

Frank is the kind of manager you’d want caught between those extremes. And they had already downed tools for him.

The types of people you bring in really matter. Lots of talent in the squad but it doesn’t matter much if everyone starts thinking about their next move or remains content to keep picking up a paycheck the second the task becomes remotely challenging.

We’ve had plenty of these overpaid, low motivation types under Moshiri but never let the balance stray too far. That is, we always retained a subgroup of grafters who fight for everything and it helped save us.

Really grateful for the culture that’s been restored at Everton. Even just seeing Grealish posting about results while he’s out even though he’s made a stupid amount of money and needs nothing else from football says it all. We’ve got a squad that is bought in and management (both Moyes and above) that cares about fostering that buy-in. Marry that with additional quality and we can really go places.

It looked a lot like Frank was too soft on them, so stylistically Dyche isn't a million miles away, but in terms of discipline I think he's much more authoritarian which might be the only way to get that bunch of cowards to try. He'd also identify things like how important playing someone like Richarlison is as he's good with making use of strong characters.

His understanding of the league is far superior to Tudor too, who looks like he hasn't got a clue what he's doing.

Not saying it'd work, just think the chances of it working are marginally better than the definite relegation they'll achieve under the current manager.

[toffee_scot]

I was just looking at their team compared to about 4 years ago and they no longer have players like Lloris, Dier, Son, Kane and Hojberg. Probably all important characters for them in the squad.

Ben Davies seems to be their Seamus Coleman but he doesn’t play very often.

Despite their alarming form I think they will stumble towards safety. But their matches against Forest and Leeds will be massive.

[AjaxAndy]

I was just looking at their team compared to about 4 years ago and they no longer have players like Lloris, Dier, Son, Kane and Hojberg. Probably all important characters for them in the squad.

Ben Davies seems to be their Seamus Coleman but he doesn’t play very often.

Despite their alarming form I think they will stumble towards safety. But their matches against Forest and Leeds will be massive.

They haven't won this year... and only have 2 home wins all season.

They're absolutely cooked.

You only stay up if you create a siege mentality and the fans drag you through the home games. Half their fans left at half time and none of their players seem to have any character to create a siege mentality.

Only way they have a chance is if they sack Tudor now and somehow manage to appoint someone who can genuinely motivate them.

[blueToffee]

They haven't won this year... and only have 2 home wins all season.

They're absolutely cooked.

You only stay up if you create a siege mentality and the fans drag you through the home games. Half their fans left at half time and none of their players seem to have any character to create a siege mentality.

Only way they have a chance is if they sack Tudor now and somehow manage to appoint someone who can genuinely motivate them.

You could argue they've done all that...and are still not in the relegation zone.

They're not cooked quite yet, they have games against Forest (h), Leeds (h) and Wolves (a) to come which will be pretty huge. One win right now still takes them above Leeds currently. Leeds in all this have not been on much of a better run of late with DCL returning to his more "subdued" levels and Elland Road no longer being quite the fortress it was. Maybe teams have figured them out again after their 2 up top mid-season course correction..?

I don't know if they have any of their injured players on the cusp of coming back at all, but even a smidge extra quality, or maybe bringing in some vaguely qualified Spurs manager to motivate/organise could yet bring them to safety. Even this season we've seen Wolves being touted as the worst team ever to exist in the PL...to looking actually kinda competitive again.

I'm not betting on them, but I'm personally waiting a little longer to declare them DOA as we've still got 3 months to go of the season and generally too much is in favour of these teams for them to actually go down.

Would be quite something though if Arsenal win the league and Spurs got relegated mind you.

[Stumpy]

You could argue they've done all that...and are still not in the relegation zone.

They're not cooked quite yet, they have games against Forest (h), Leeds (h) and Wolves (a) to come which will be pretty huge. One win right now still takes them above Leeds currently. Leeds in all this have not been on much of a better run of late with DCL returning to his more "subdued" levels and Elland Road no longer being quite the fortress it was. Maybe teams have figured them out again after their 2 up top mid-season course correction..?

I don't know if they have any of their injured players on the cusp of coming back at all, but even a smidge extra quality, or maybe bringing in some vaguely qualified Spurs manager to motivate/organise could yet bring them to safety. Even this season we've seen Wolves being touted as the worst team ever to exist in the PL...to looking actually kinda competitive again.

I'm not betting on them, but I'm personally waiting a little longer to declare them DOA as we've still got 3 months to go of the season and generally too much is in favour of these teams for them to actually go down.

Would be quite something though if Arsenal win the league and Spurs got relegated mind you.

Of course they're not cooked yet, the can't be there's still 9 games to go.
However they are showing the square root of jack shit that they have what it takes to get out of it.
They haven't won for 12 games, they have let at least 2 goals in for the last 9 games and they are the least equipped out of the 4 to deal with this.
They have been on a downward spiral since xmas that's gathering momentum week by week, they are showing no signs of getting better, in fact it's getting worse.
The stadium is toxic, the fans are not helping one iota.
The fixtures left for the 4 teams probably look much of a muchness, you can't really say anyone has it easier.
At the moment it's hard to see where Spurs next point is coming from, i wouldn't bet them against anyone atm.
That's the reason for me that they are favourites to take the last spot

[Blueomar]

I wonder if Richy has a relegation clause?