Jack Grealish

[AjaxAndy]

Didn’t they say it happened in training, as in it was a particular incident?

Said he'd been carrying it for a few weeks but hadn't told anyone. Think it might have been during training he alerted someone to the problem but they never specified a time or place it happened... Which sounds more like a stress injury than impact to me.

[sam of the south]

Said he'd been carrying it for a few weeks but hadn't told anyone. Think it might have been during training he alerted someone to the problem but they never specified a time or place it happened... Which sounds more like a stress injury than impact to me.

So we don’t know then.

I suppose even if it is accumulative at least it isn’t a soft tissue thing.

[Bumble]

The elephant in the room in this is the decision to spend Grealish type money on Dibling and still be left with no pace, goalscoring threat or anything at all really.

[Kerryblueboy]

The I paper I think is quoting that 20 million is the price for Jack proper steal at that money

[777Kidnappings]

The I paper I think is quoting that 20 million is the price for Jack proper steal at that money

Pass. 20m and 10m a year in wages through his decline. For someone whos club dont want him and is in his last year coming off a long injury. Zero or we will try again in a year

[Bumble]

Another year on loan, cover his wages, pay a loan fee. The best City can hope for at this stage. We're in a market of one probably, no need to engage other than on our terms.

[Raptor]

Pass. 20m and 10m a year in wages through his decline. For someone whos club dont want him and is in his last year coming off a long injury. Zero or we will try again in a year

We have the second oldest starting lineup in the league, just short of 30, so for that reason I do think we should be looking at getting some youth and energy in the team. It's hard to argue that Grealish added a lot to our team, but I also found him pretty frustrating at times as he really does slow the game down a lot.
20m Is a good deal, and the wages are what they are for a player of that quality and what he's achieved.
If it was a muscular injury I could understand your thinking, but it wasn't, he broke his foot, so it's not like he's got reoccurring injuries.
It's a difficult one when you weigh it up, but I'm 100% sure this will get done as it's a player Moyes wants and fits his profile

[AndSeel]

We have the second oldest starting lineup in the league, just short of 30, so for that reason I do think we should be looking at getting some youth and energy in the team. It's hard to argue that Grealish added a lot to our team, but I also found him pretty frustrating at times as he really does slow the game down a lot.
20m Is a good deal, and the wages are what they are for a player of that quality and what he's achieved.
If it was a muscular injury I could understand your thinking, but it wasn't, he broke his foot, so it's not like he's got reoccurring injuries.
It's a difficult one when you weigh it up, but I'm 100% sure this will get done as it's a player Moyes wants and fits his profile

I do think the average age thing is massively skewed by Gueye being 36.

Think if you take Tarkowski and Gueye out of our side our average age plummets.

[Bluebridge]

Just swapping Tarks and Keane with the two JB’s brings it right down, swap Gueye with PSR Tim and it’s probably mid 20’s.

[AjaxAndy]

I do think the average age thing is massively skewed by Gueye being 36.

Think if you take Tarkowski and Gueye out of our side our average age plummets.

Gueye and Coleman are the main culprits for our high age.

Tarks and Pickford are really the only other two so if we lose the 2 oldies I think we can accommodate a couple of 28 year old signings alongside Grealish.

Overall squad age isn't really much of an issue providing you've got young players in there too, just need to have the right mix.

[Matt1878]

Think this is the acid test for Mpyes on how he handles Gueye, Keane and Tarkowski next season. All regular first team starters, does he let their form drop off a cliff for a couple of months before reacting, or does he try and transition them out.

Grealish its head over heart for me, yes on loan, love the lad but its heading into Gaza and Ginola territory now and paying 20m for him when there is no guarantee he will be match fit for the start of the season feels a stretch. Be great to get him on a loan and start discussing a rolling contract, around January 27.

[Cods]

We have the second oldest starting lineup in the league, just short of 30, so for that reason I do think we should be looking at getting some youth and energy in the team. It's hard to argue that Grealish added a lot to our team, but I also found him pretty frustrating at times as he really does slow the game down a lot.
20m Is a good deal, and the wages are what they are for a player of that quality and what he's achieved.

Not sure squad age is that much of an issue.

Should we count the game where the 37yo Séamus and 36yo Gana were both off the field before the quarter hour, and we started with our 4th choice CB (whichever you pick) whilst Jarrod's been injured?

We were nearly 2.5 years younger in our last couple of games, and only 1 year above the league's average player's age.

When Jake and Jarrod take over at CB and maybe Tim replaces Gana, we'll be well and truly under the average even within a year or so's time. With Merlin, Charlie and Harrison particularly already getting minutes, and Aznou and Tyler to possibly come in, the future looks to be arriving soon, young and bright, we might be looking for experience.

I do agree Jack's lack of pace is a big issue, our build up shouldn't really include him. But he's our ball magnet, amongst other things. Not a bad player for the kids to learn from.

[Escalator]

Think this is the acid test for Mpyes on how he handles Gueye, Keane and Tarkowski next season. All regular first team starters, does he let their form drop off a cliff for a couple of months before reacting, or does he try and transition them out.

Grealish its head over heart for me, yes on loan, love the lad but its heading into Gaza and Ginola territory now and paying 20m for him when there is no guarantee he will be match fit for the start of the season feels a stretch. Be great to get him on a loan and start discussing a rolling contract, around January 27.

Ginola was 35 when he joined us, Gaza was a burnt out wreck of a 33 yr old, Grealish at 30 has a good couple of years left in him yet.

[Risky]

Yeah not having the Gazza and Ginola comparisons, he's not even close to where they were when we took them on.

On whether we should sign him or not I can see both sides of the argument. I think though that an important thing to consider is the intangible extras that he brings with him by being so high profile. The impact that has on our media visibility, our attractiveness to potential new signings, even commercial deals is something to consider.

[kramer]

His game’s not dependent on pace which is the number one thing that tends to erode with age.

The only against argument I’m properly sympathetic to is potential injuries as he ages. He’s been kicked a lot and will continue to get kicked a lot. Really hard to say if this season’s injury is a freak thing or a feature.

I still say go for it as long as the price is reasonable. You can’t make tons of signings like this but you can make one. He’s still top quality, he’s an exemplar of the work rate you need even as a top creative player, and he’s brought joy back to watching Everton as much as any other player.

We can probably manage his fitness more cautiously with another year of development from Dibling and George too.