Dyche - HE'S GONE

[Raptor]

Can't really argue with anything in there, has has actually done a great job under extremely difficult circumstances. But he does need to find a way to improve the current form because regardless of the credit he should be due it's draining very rapidly.

The thing which is pissing me off about him at the moment is his inability to own the now, he's happy to reference our inability in front of goal, creating chances etc, but he has to then follow it up with something along the lines of 'but this was the case long before I came', like it's justification for it. He's been in a fair amount of time now and he should've overcome these issues, just stating it's always been like this isn't a get out of jail free card.
He has done great to keep us up, although I personally think other managers would've done the same as the squad isn't that bad, but you have to progress. 26% possession against a shit Southampton side, at home, isn't progress, it's shit.

[Shogun]

Moyes is a significantly better manager than Dyche imo. Their careers are barely comparable such is the difference.

[TheRam]

Moyes is a significantly better manager than Dyche imo. Their careers are barely comparable such is the difference.

Would argue at this current moment there is not much difference.

Moyes obviously had the much better career.

[Shogun]

Would argue at this current moment there is not much difference.

Moyes obviously had the much better career.

I mean, you can argue xG stats and money spent as much as you want but Dyche could only dream of doing what Moyes did after taking over West Ham. Saved them from relegation then finished 6th, 7th, won a tournament and left them in 9th.

Dyche beat Allardyce to 7th once in his career and has been in promotion and relegation fights every other time.

There's levels to this and Moyes is obviously a level up even if he's still not the most attractive of options.

[TheRam]

I mean, you can argue xG stats and money spent as much as you want but Dyche could only dream of doing what Moyes did after taking over West Ham. Saved them from relegation then finished 6th, 7th, won a tournament and left them in 9th.

Dyche beat Allardyce to 7th once in his career and has been in promotion and relegation fights every other time.

There's levels to this and Moyes is obviously a level up even if he's still not the most attractive of options.

You can’t just dismiss the XG and money spent like that though. It’s highly relevant and all the numbers suggest moyes got very lucky, with a very good squad of players.

Not doubting that he did a great job at West Ham, but it was largely built on very passive football and hoping the players come up with something.

If people don’t like what Sean dyche football then they will hate what this version of David Moyes will bring.

[TheRam]

West Ham shipped five to palace and Fulham last season.

[Kerryblueboy]

Not even comparable for me moyes when he was here was super always having to sell your best players and finding gems in the market dyche is nowhere near him in terms of coaching ability and overall management

[AjaxAndy]

West Ham fans hated the football Moyes played with far better players so let's all just admit that it's not going to be better on the eye if he takes over a team with McNeil, Lindstrom and Ndaiye instead of Paquetta, Bowen and Kudus.

[Shogun]

Would Dyche have achieved what Moyes achieved though?

He’s got better players here than at Burnley and it’s exactly the same.

Moyes hasn’t had that success at West Ham through just luck. He did better than Pellegrini before him as well. It’s not like they were a European team before him.

[brap2]

It's worse.

Anyway, biiiiiig wide world out there. Big one. Big wide one.

[AjaxAndy]

Would Dyche have achieved what Moyes achieved though?

He’s got better players here than at Burnley and it’s exactly the same.

Moyes hasn’t had that success at West Ham through just luck. He did better than Pellegrini before him as well. It’s not like they were a European team before him.

Hard to say because he's never had a team with that level of player... I don't feel there's a whole lot between them tbh and the style of football is similarly drab.

You could sell me on Potter but I can't be arsed swapping Dycheball for Moyesball.

[Bob Sacamano]

I definitely remember Moyes sides playing some lovely stuff for decent periods of time.

Can’t comment on his West Ham sides though because I’ll be fucked before I watch that load of mutts.

[AjaxAndy]

I definitely remember Moyes sides playing some lovely stuff for decent periods of time.

Can’t comment on his West Ham sides though because I’ll be fucked before I watch that load of mutts.

I think we played some decent stuff with Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Cahill etc, but not sure I'd ever have described it as brilliant footy. There were also long spells where you'd watch it hoofed up to Cahill in the hope he could flick it on to Johnson... It wasn't easy on the eye.

And we don't have that type of player here now, so I don't believe that's transferrable to our situation.

His stats at West Ham were extremely passive, he did well there for a short while, when he had a really good set of players and the fans still hated his style of play.

I get some people still like Moyes, I always did when he was here, but I just don't see what it changes if he came back, and I'm far from convinced it would work out if he did.

[Bob Sacamano]

I think we played some decent stuff with Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Cahill etc, but not sure I'd ever have described it as brilliant footy. There were also long spells where you'd watch it hoofed up to Cahill in the hope he could flick it on to Johnson... It wasn't easy on the eye.

And we don't have that type of player here now, so I don't believe that's transferrable to our situation.

His stats at West Ham were extremely passive, he did well there for a short while, when he had a really good set of players and the fans still hated his style of play.

I get some people still like Moyes, I always did when he was here, but I just don't see what it changes if he came back, and I'm far from convinced it would work out if he did.

I don’t particularly like him tbh. I nothing him more than anything.

I just thought I was misremembering some genuinely excellent footy we played under him. How you can describe it as decent is a bit mad but it’s your opinion.

[Shogun]

Hard to say because he's never had a team with that level of player... I don't feel there's a whole lot between them tbh and the style of football is similarly drab.

You could sell me on Potter but I can't be arsed swapping Dycheball for Moyesball.

He's gone up a level of player here and not improved on his Burnley days though. In fact, his worst time at Burnley was when he tried to replace some of the cloggers with footballers in Weghorst and Cornet.

Dyche has shown throughout his career where his ceiling is, this "he's never had this level of player" feels like the arguments people in football used to use to make out Allardyce was actually a brilliant manager held back by the type of teams he managed.