New Everton Stadium at Bramley Moore Dock

[TheRam]

Have to admit to being slightly underwhelmed.

The outside is great, location fantastic, brilliant design that’s completely unique.

The inside is just really bland to me.

I think they’ve been really unambitious with the capacity for one. I agreed with it at the time, but 52k just loses some of the awe a new ground should have for me.

The south stand is a big disappointment as well. Will admit to missing the detail put out myself, but still, it doesn’t stand out in any way. Sounds like a lot of compromises have been made for safe standing

Ultimately I’m starting to get on board with the people who think we should have made this bigger.

Going into a new 52k stadium with a 20k waiting list is a bit of a fuck up and money left on the table.

[Shogun]

Be interesting to see how the waiting list goes, feel like it only grew so much because people were hanging onto their season tickets just to get into the new stadium. Will we have 8k or more on the waiting list in 5 years? Not sure.

[bigmanbob]

Have we really got 20k on the WL? Bugger me, I've no chance

[Shogun]

Might be more than 20k at this point. Although I think I read at least 80% of the stadium needs to be season ticket holders which would be an extra 9,600. I assume it won't be much more than that just because clubs would rather have one-offs than season ticket holders in the ground.

Can imagine the only people giving up their season tickets will be those literally incapable of going to the match anymore.

Edit: Not sure if that 80% excludes away fans or not

[Raptor]

I think the size is perfect, you want to keep it like that. Id rather have people having to work a bit or worry about their tickets than get complacent. Im never sure how accurate all those figures are about waiting list etc, Spurs are supposed to have a huge waiting list, but when I saw the stadium occupancy stats they were near the bottom, with about 1.5k seats available per game day, similarly West Ham are top with 99.9% occupancy, but all you have to do is watch one of their games to realise there are about 20k seats free, but I think they class tickets sold as attendance irrespective of whether you turn up. Their issue is they flog tickets so cheap to try and get people in, yet it makes the tickets largely worthless, and thats not where we want to get to.

[TheRam]

I think the size is perfect, you want to keep it like that. Id rather have people having to work a bit or worry about their tickets than get complacent. Im never sure how accurate all those figures are about waiting list etc, Spurs are supposed to have a huge waiting list, but when I saw the stadium occupancy stats they were near the bottom, with about 1.5k seats available per game day, similarly West Ham are top with 99.9% occupancy, but all you have to do is watch one of their games to realise there are about 20k seats free, but I think they class tickets sold as attendance irrespective of whether you turn up. Their issue is they flog tickets so cheap to try and get people in, yet it makes the tickets largely worthless, and thats not where we want to get to.

Fair points.

Hard to argue with that but still think there’s scope to have it bigger.

60k rising to 65k with safe standing or something like that.

[Raptor]

Fair points.

Hard to argue with that but still think there’s scope to have it bigger.

60k rising to 65k with safe standing or something like that.

I do think its a bit on the light side, my preference wouldve been around the 56k mark

[brap2]

Remember the esk and co were obsessed with it being 78k to match 1878, the gimps

[AjaxAndy]

I don't have as much insight in to the stadium mechanics admittedly, but can anyone explain to me why the single tier thing is an issue?

If that stand is full and you can't see the walkway won't it just appear to be one solid blue wall?

The walkway won't impact noise / atmosphere surely?

Just having a hard time understanding why if it won't be visible once the stand is full what the problem is?

I won't be in there with some of you so understand that I'm probably missing something about the experience so this isn't a criticism of those who aren't happy with it.

[Escalator]

Have to admit to being slightly underwhelmed.

The outside is great, location fantastic, brilliant design that’s completely unique.

The inside is just really bland to me.

I think they’ve been really unambitious with the capacity for one. I agreed with it at the time, but 52k just loses some of the awe a new ground should have for me.

The south stand is a big disappointment as well. Will admit to missing the detail put out myself, but still, it doesn’t stand out in any way. Sounds like a lot of compromises have been made for safe standing

Ultimately I’m starting to get on board with the people who think we should have made this bigger.

Going into a new 52k stadium with a 20k waiting list is a bit of a fuck up and money left on the table.

I wouldn’t pass judgement on the inside, bland, until the final fit out is completed, the final fit out will I am sure create a much more colourful atmosphere.

[Audrey Horne]

It would only look like one stand when everyone is stood up

[Escalator]

Might be more than 20k at this point. Although I think I read at least 80% of the stadium needs to be season ticket holders which would be an extra 9,600. I assume it won't be much more than that just because clubs would rather have one-offs than season ticket holders in the ground.

Can imagine the only people giving up their season tickets will be those literally incapable of going to the match anymore.

Edit: Not sure if that 80% excludes away fans or not

I suspect that a lot of those on the waiting list, and indeed a proportion of existing ST holders will drop off once the new prices are announced and 52k will be about the right number, it’s not going to be a simple inflationary increase on existing prices for sure.

[Shogun]

I suspect that a lot of those on the waiting list, and indeed a proportion of existing ST holders will drop off once the new prices are announced and 52k will be about the right number, it’s not going to be a simple inflationary increase on existing prices for sure.

How much are you expecting the new prices to be? Think people would pay another £150 to be in the new stadium for the new season (not sure in a second season like)

[brap2]

I don't have as much insight in to the stadium mechanics admittedly, but can anyone explain to me why the single tier thing is an issue?

If that stand is full and you can't see the walkway won't it just appear to be one solid blue wall?

The walkway won't impact noise / atmosphere surely?

Just having a hard time understanding why if it won't be visible once the stand is full what the problem is?

I won't be in there with some of you so understand that I'm probably missing something about the experience so this isn't a criticism of those who aren't happy with it.

Can only speak for myself, but my understanding was that it was to be based on Dortmund's stand, and that was a major feature of the new stadium, having this very impressive fairly unique stand in a modern stadium .

My understanding might have been wrong, and nobody ever said it was to be single tier and no comparisons have ever been drawn to Dortmund's stand or the kop or any other single tier grandstand and that it isn't a unique distinct feature of the stadium and the phrase blue wave / blue wall / bluenami have never been used and were never the idea, this is just a steep lower, with an upper and will be great regardless.

[TheRam]

I don't have as much insight in to the stadium mechanics admittedly, but can anyone explain to me why the single tier thing is an issue?

If that stand is full and you can't see the walkway won't it just appear to be one solid blue wall?

The walkway won't impact noise / atmosphere surely?

Just having a hard time understanding why if it won't be visible once the stand is full what the problem is?

I won't be in there with some of you so understand that I'm probably missing something about the experience so this isn't a criticism of those who aren't happy with it.

Just isn’t what I thought it would be.

Maybe it’s my own misunderstanding of what come out of the club and from Meis but it’s different to what I thought we were getting .

I’m sure it’ll still be great, but not quite the blue wall we were promised.

Will wait for the video to come out to get more information.

Suppose my worry is the upper tier sit down whilst the lower stands, as it seems to have been designed to incorporate sitting down more than I thought.

All the has been this is the stand where people will stand for 90 minutes and generate the atmosphere. If that isn’t for you then go sit somewhere else.

If the whole stand isn’t as one like we see at dortmund and the kop then it will take a lot away from it.

Would have much preferred the massive grandstand in the original designs.

#tiersofaclown