Next Everton Manager

[TheRam]

What’s the obsession with Doucoure everyone has?

We don’t win without him. Since he’s been here we’ve won like two games where he didn’t start.

He not some sort of horrific footballer.

Passing isn’t his strength but doesn’t mean he can’t work in a better system.

You’re all looking at it too simplistically.

[AjaxAndy]

What?

How have you even got that from what I said?

Honestly, some of the posts in this thread are beyond simple.

You literally replied to me saying how Doucoure passing to Harrison would leave people panicking and asking for it to be cleared, and that Doucs pass wouldn't even go within 10 yards... I'm not sure why you're confused I got what I did from your reply to my comment

[TheRam]

You literally replied to me saying how Doucoure passing to Harrison would leave people panicking and asking for it to be cleared, and that Doucs pass wouldn't even go within 10 yards... I'm not sure why you're confused I got what I did from your reply to my comment

Ok mate.

I think your hypersensitivity towards anything dyche is getting the better of you.

Thought it was clear my comment was more to do with how a coach can make players perform better in general.

[brap2]

That's not right, the crowd got annoyed when he tried a Cruyff turn inside our own six yard box once and he got some stick off some fans at a petrol station after an away defeat. It's nonsense to say the crowd hated him.

Think it's also nonsense to say it was one isolated incident also, he wouldn't be saying calm down over one case of an ove indulgent Cruyff.

But yeah, I was being a bit OTT for effect, ya got me

[AjaxAndy]

Ok mate.

I think your hypersensitivity towards anything dyche is getting the better of you.

Thought it was clear my comment was more to do with how a coach can make players perform better in general.

It's nothing to do with my 'hyper sensitivity', you literally replied to my post.

Yes some players can be coached to play better, I'm fine with that... But you're commenting 'well such and such could do it under Potter' on a post I made about Doucoure not being able to pass a ball.

If you aren't referring to that why are you quoting my post?

[Raptor]

What’s the obsession with Doucoure everyone has?

We don’t win without him. Since he’s been here we’ve won like two games where he didn’t start.

He not some sort of horrific footballer.

Passing isn’t his strength but doesn’t mean he can’t work in a better system.

You’re all looking at it too simplistically.

He plays in pretty much every game, so by default he'll play in games we win, but that's the bit people are looking at too simplistically.
Why are you so willing to discount that he also plays in every game we lose, and there's shit loads more of them than there are wins?
Maybe, it's because he can't pass, can't control the ball, positionally woeful, shit in front of goal, shit at assisting.
You may be surprised to know that I don't rate, and I do think he is a terrible footballer, he's a great athlete, but I bet there aren't any players in the league that get the game time he does for their respective teams that he does for us, that you wouldn't swap him for in a heartbeat

[TheRam]

Great discussion lads.

Don’t even know what the point of all the above is really.

[Kerryblueboy]

Onana is a prime example potter silva etc would build a team around him dyche dropped him because he wanted to play football and dyche wanted his midfielder to tackle and run only

[Audrey Horne]

So apparently though it's Dyche's fault Doucoure hasn't been able to pass a ball his whole career... Can't wait for Potter to coach him to do so

Of all the posts to jump on I'm at a loss for why you decided the idea of Doucoure being asked to pass a ball in a possession side was the one

Eh hahahha

[The Doc]

It's can be a sign of intelligence and strength to change your opinion on something. Just putting that out there. I'll always visit and post on this forum but mix things up a little bit lads (and Liz).

[Cods]

Wonder if Dyche could win at the Emirates with Ostersunds

Fair play to them a real giant killing, but that wasnt Wenger's best Arsenal either, they were a shambles that day, the best player in that starting 11 was probably Iwobi, even if they still should've beaten them with their U21s.

[brap2]

Win duels
Get about the pitch
Win headers
Be big and strong
Get in the box, bang goals

It's not rocket science. He is also brilliant positionally defensively and offensively. There's a reason he's got 50-odd goal contributions in the prem, playing about 10 positions.

He's not crap. He has some obvious technical flaws, and he can be used in ways that are better than others. if you force the ball through him you will suffer. If you let him recover the ball and go up and down getting involved at the sharp end, you will win games.

[Bornblue88]

Win duels
Get about the pitch
Win headers
Be big and strong
Get in the box, bang goals

It's not rocket science. He is also brilliant positionally defensively and offensively. There's a reason he's got 50-odd goal contributions in the prem, playing about 10 positions.

He's not crap. He has some obvious technical flaws, and he can be used in ways that are better than others. if you force the ball through him you will suffer. If you let him recover the ball and go up and down getting involved at the sharp end, you will win games.

This. Exactly this. The part some people on here can’t seem to grasp though is that forcing the ball through a lot of our other players who have obvious technical flaws will also cause us to suffer. I have a lot of time for Dyche because he’s come in and installed the most pragmatic approach to getting results out of this group and I think the football we ALL want to see is fantasy with this squad. Ofcourse a better manager can get them to play better, but a better anything is better. There are lots of managers who are not right for this Everton team and performances can definitely get worse.

[TheRam]

He’s been a brilliant player for us so i don’t know how this thread turned into a slagging contest towards him.

Also don’t get why he’s always brought up to suggest better managers than dyche can’t be a success here.

I doubt he’s going to be here beyond his contract, and even so, in his best role he can fit into any system.

It’s all about pressing from the front and he’s one of the very best at it.

He’s been a premier league centre mid for seven years now and a very good one at that. It’s mad how he gets spoken about.

[Bornblue88]

He’s been a brilliant player for us so i don’t know how this thread turned into a slagging contest towards him.

Also don’t get why he’s always brought up to suggest better managers than dyche can’t be a success here.

I doubt he’s going to be here beyond his contract, and even so, in his best role he can fit into any system.

It’s all about pressing from the front and he’s one of the very best at it.

He’s been a premier league centre mid for seven years now and a very good one at that. It’s mad how he gets spoken about.

There’s that word ‘better’ again.

He gets brought up because he’s a reason we can’t play better football i.e. his touch and passing are diabolical and we can’t win games without him.

Until we get good technical players, the best manager will only be able to make marginal improvements to performances imo