Dyche - HE'S GONE

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The last few points were very good, but it hasn't as yet made up for previous mistakes in other games this season. I'm glad we're looking more like a team but we shot ourselves in the foot with games like Bournemouth (h) and Southampton (a) as a win in either of those makes things seem a lot more comfortable. Wins are obviously few and far between for the teams near the bottom so anytime you get one it's a big deal, just look at Wolves jump up so much last couple of games.

Forest are in a great run of form, so that is another tough one.

Barring a January transfer that's super positive which fixes our LB/RB and RW issues to name a few, it's likely going to be another grind of a season to pick up the necessary points. That's just where we are right now as a team.
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Southampton’s new manager got them compact and hard to beat in one game and a few days training. We have scored one goal (and it was a worldy with a low XG) since October 19th. It’s the 29th December.

Listening to the Guardian podcast describe our 4 v 2 attack against city “it’s like they are not told what to do in those situations”

I think he’s got until the end of January to show he can offer something more than 0-0 because in all those games, the sides obviously have more possession but also a higher XG which will more than likely lead to an eventual decline.
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Juanito wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:09 am Southampton’s new manager got them compact and hard to beat in one game and a few days training. We have scored one goal (and it was a worldy with a low XG) since October 19th. It’s the 29th December.

Listening to the Guardian podcast describe our 4 v 2 attack against city “it’s like they are not told what to do in those situations”

I think he’s got until the end of January to show he can offer something more than 0-0 because in all those games, the sides obviously have more possession but also a higher XG which will more than likely lead to an eventual decline.

1 game is hardly a body of evidence.... they did also get beat without scoring

I think there's next to no chance dyche being removed while we are outside the relegation zone and in okay form
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777Kidnappings wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:11 am 1 game is hardly a body of evidence.... they did also get beat without scoring

I think there's next to no chance dyche being removed while we are outside the relegation zone and in okay form
If we don’t find a way of scoring goals we won’t win games we’ll continue to be in trouble.

He needs to pull us away from trouble.

Next four games are huge for him. Sitting off and relying on set pieces won’t be enough.
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TheRam wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:21 am If we don’t find a way of scoring goals we won’t win games we’ll continue to be in trouble.

He needs to pull us away from trouble.

Next four games are huge for him. Sitting off and relying on set pieces won’t be enough.

Totally agree. I just think the post I quoted was deliberately misleading. 1 goal since mid October. Well yes but we've only played arsenal city and Chelsea. That goal had low XG. Maybe but I think the suggestion that we didn't even deserve 1 goal isn't true.

Ultimately we won our last winnable game and then drew with 3 much better teams. That's a very good run of form and results we all would of took before them 4 games. Implying that run hasn't been good enough is just silly


I don't see dyche being removed anytime soon. Don't think it's on the agenda at all. We could lose the next 2 and he'll still be here
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Juanito wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:09 am Southampton’s new manager got them compact and hard to beat in one game and a few days training. We have scored one goal (and it was a worldy with a low XG) since October 19th. It’s the 29th December.

Listening to the Guardian podcast describe our 4 v 2 attack against city “it’s like they are not told what to do in those situations”

I think he’s got until the end of January to show he can offer something more than 0-0 because in all those games, the sides obviously have more possession but also a higher XG which will more than likely lead to an eventual decline.
I can remember four more goals in that timeframe.
Edit, just checked and it’s eight.
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777Kidnappings wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:29 am Totally agree. I just think the post I quoted was deliberately misleading. 1 goal since mid October. Well yes but we've only played arsenal city and Chelsea. That goal had low XG. Maybe but I think the suggestion that we didn't even deserve 1 goal isn't true.

Ultimately we won our last winnable game and then drew with 3 much better teams. That's a very good run of form and results we all would of took before them 4 games. Implying that run hasn't been good enough is just silly


I don't see dyche being removed anytime soon. Don't think it's on the agenda at all. We could lose the next 2 and he'll still be here

Would be very hard to justify keeping him if we lose the next two games.
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Bluebridge wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:38 am I can remember four more goals in that timeframe.
Edit, just checked and it’s eight.
Ah yes, I was in a rush and meant to say not including Wolves which seemed liked an outlier. I said from 19th, not including. Just realised we got one against Fulham in that time, too. That Beto goal when Keane went up top. Wonderful coaching.
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Juanito wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 11:42 am Ah yes, I was in a rush and meant to say not including Wolves which seemed liked an outlier. I said from 19th, not including. Just realised we got one against Fulham in that time, too. That Beto goal when Keane went up top. Wonderful coaching.
And Ipswich, see how good we really are? 😏
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TheRam wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 11:08 am Would be very hard to justify keeping him if we lose the next two games.
I think we are just hoping to get through to the summer without having to make the decision. I'd be amazed for him to be sacked this season without some sustained awful form. To me it just doesn't appear to be under consideration at all currently
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During the last 4 years Everton have net spent (made): (£92m), just to break even, which is:

140m less spend than Southampton
(which was reduced by 110m of sales in three players: Lavia, Livramento and Ward-Prowse)

100m less spend than Brighton
(who'd recorded almost 300m of sales in Caciedo, Cucarella, MacAllister, Bissouma, Trossard and Sanchez alone)

315m less spend than Forest, (reduced by 45m of pure profit on the Brennan Johnson sale, and one of those seasons was spent in the championship)

360m less than West Ham

585m less than Man Utd

730m less than Chelsea


And we had very little quality to start with in 21/22, but it's been near gutted since. It's perhaps a wonder we're not bottom.
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Cods wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:05 pm During the last 4 years Everton have net spent (made): (£92m), just to break even, which is:

140m less spend than Southampton
(which was reduced by 110m of sales in three players: Lavia, Livramento and Ward-Prowse)

100m less spend than Brighton
(who'd recorded almost 300m of sales in Caciedo, Cucarella, MacAllister, Bissouma, Trossard and Sanchez alone)

315m less spend than Forest, (reduced by 45m of pure profit on the Brennan Johnson sale, and one of those seasons was spent in the championship)

360m less than West Ham

585m less than Man Utd

730m less than Chelsea


And we had very little quality to start with in 21/22, but it's been near gutted since. It's perhaps a wonder we're not bottom.
Yeah but tbf Harrison is boss and it's only Dyche that's making him look so poor, and we just need to give Beto a run in the team and he'd comfortably score 15 goals apparently.
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Cods wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:05 pm During the last 4 years Everton have net spent (made): (£92m), just to break even, which is:

140m less spend than Southampton
(which was reduced by 110m of sales in three players: Lavia, Livramento and Ward-Prowse)

100m less spend than Brighton
(who'd recorded almost 300m of sales in Caciedo, Cucarella, MacAllister, Bissouma, Trossard and Sanchez alone)

315m less spend than Forest, (reduced by 45m of pure profit on the Brennan Johnson sale, and one of those seasons was spent in the championship)

360m less than West Ham

585m less than Man Utd

730m less than Chelsea


And we had very little quality to start with in 21/22, but it's been near gutted since. It's perhaps a wonder we're not bottom.

This was the season dyche has failed to kick us on though
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I'm sure Dyche would have all those teams top 4. Pretty clear we're holding him back.
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AjaxAndy wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:26 pm Yeah but tbf Harrison is boss and it's only Dyche that's making him look so poor, and we just need to give Beto a run in the team and he'd comfortably score 15 goals apparently.
Honestly you should get a ban for how much of a repetitive pain in the arse you are
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